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I was on a rant and about a mess.... [2008-04-24]
and yelled
She - then 4 - started to do so, but turned back and looked me right in the eye and said,
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had to laugh.
We ALL mess with mother nature [2008-03-28]
Who among us has not colored their hair, seen a plastic surgeon because we weren Who has not dieted, worn colored contact lenses, got a perm, had liposuction? Who didnor love someone who has abody piercing or a tattoo? Evenif you never did any of these things, did it make you sick whenever someone else did?
Why is it MY business what someone else does with their body? Oh, that If I donsick? Should I sneer at you and throw rocks because I personally donthat you got breast implants? Well, that What gives them the right?
rant! who's owed the most child support? [2008-03-24]
mine is currently in arrears in the amount of $23,775 --- he inherited MILLIONS when his father died -- he refuses to work, he Blessed with this child, but sure would like some support, maybe not have to work two jobs...
I'm so glad you're all here for ranting.... thanks, friends.
ADDENDUM. Just trying to get some straight answers and not sure what to make of this whole mess. nm [2008-03-04]
nm
I did not say this was my sister-in-law, did I? What a MESS!!! [2008-01-09]
NM
wow, what a mess [2007-12-19]
You and your husband need to sit down and work out a plan and present a united front. At the age of 19, he is legally an adult. This is your home and you have the right to be treated respectfully. It seems you both need to confront him with how you perceive his behavior and present some alternatives, whatever you decide is best. If he does not have a car in his name, take away the keys, even if you have to sleep with them in your pillowcase at night. You can't let this behaviour affect your younger child. You can withdraw the invitation that he stay at your home when not at school if he cannot treat you nicely. You don't have to DO these things, but present some alternatives if he doesn't change his ways and then follow through if he continues. They say people treat you badly only if you allow it. It sounds like it's time to stand up and be firm about how you are treated. Best of luck in a tough situation. I hope you get your husband's support as that will be critical. Don't let this man ruin your marriage.
listening to this mess- [2007-12-12]
I think doctors today are just different. I remember doctors that would actually stop and rewind to the spot that needed to be corrected instead of dictating it after the fact. I also recall the time when doctors did not say umm, or keep you hanging waiting for the next word. I overheard two doctors discussing his mothersupposed to be training these up and coming doctors should include dictation techniques.
Heck no! 40 is a great age- you know enough not to mess around but you don't have Alzheimer's [2007-11-18]
I feel your pain... sometimes I consider shaving my head!!! I just keep it short so as not to mess [2007-10-28]
nm
Does divorce always mess up boys' lives?? (sm) [2007-09-20]
So worried about my 10 year old son, whether I go or whether I stay. Anyone with experience?
I am so sorry, what a mess. - sm [2007-09-11]
I agree, as I am sure you do, that your son is the #1 priority here. You need to stick to your guns and let him know that you will have him arrested as a runaway the next time he goes out of the house without your permission. Unfortunately, he really needs to be scared right now of what the consequences will be if he breaks rules. I would also suggest weekly drug tests for a while, just to let him know you are on top of it. I would also let your BIL know that if he ever touches your kid again he will be arrested for assult and that if you hear or see of him abusing his kids again you will call CPS on him... I know this sounds harsh, but he should not be allowed to get away with bullying anyone like he obviously is used to doing. As far as your sister is concerned, I agree with the other poster who said she may be scared of her husband.Wow this is really an ugly situation, and I am so sorry you are dealing with it. If you will accept, I would love to pray for the situation and all involved...
He doesnt want the kids cause they would mess up his [2007-07-30]
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Re: SICKO, the healthcare mess, etc. [2007-07-10]
Interesting video on YouTube - this guy says it simply eloquently. He wants people to send him videos on the subject - anyone out there in MT with a PC-cam could certainly get the word out on the offshoring-of-medical-records to a HUGE audience in this way. Here's a link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8NDs4YuLXE
Wean yourself from her, little by little, for your own peace of mind. She'll either get the mess [2007-06-22]
x
Sooo true! But I didn't mess her up. [2007-06-15]
No really, she is a rescue.
:oD
pinewood derby races - rant [2007-05-20]
My son was in a pinewood derby race at church. There is so much for kids to learn about the car design, ect.
Here is my rant. Why don't they have rules about what the fathers can/can't help with! The cars that the father's obviously did won first place for every single grade. It was ridiculous I've never seen so many 8-year-old boys in tears. I think these men are sick that winning against a kid gets them off.
Except for sawing the car and nailing the axels it should be hands off for the dad! It was so obvious between a car that a man designed/traced and painted vs. a kid. They even had an adult category the men could have entered into.
Has anyone experienced this?
Anyone work in a dental office? Dental rant. SM [2007-05-10]
I have been going to the same dental office (father and daughter dentists), for over ten years. It is a private office, not a clinic. I have Delta Dental PPO.
There has never been a problem. I get my teeth cleaned every three months. I get x-rays taken twice a year and the dentist checks my teeth after each cleaning. Sounds good, right?
So at my last cleaning in January, I was told my teeth were in terrible shape and I needed five crowns placed. I then was subjected to a very hard sales pitch for these crowns, accompanied by gory videos of rotten teeth, with statements like these could be YOUR teeth. They also went on to say that insurance will not cover this and I will have to pay out of pocket. The conservative price was $5000.
Well, I decided to have three crowns done. I paid $1000, (my tax refund), insurancedid pay $1000 and I just paid another $600 out of pocket.
I have lost complete faith in this office. Why would I go there every three months, only to be told I need work that someonewould need if they hadn't seen a dentist in 10 or more years?
Was I taken? I have no faith in them at all now.
You wanna mess your cat up for good? [2007-04-26]
Get a chicken...nay, a ROOSTER. My old cat thought he saw an all-you-can-eat buffet when he first met Steve, my Rhode Island Red. He was stalking Steve from behind a bush (my chickens are free rangin That bird actually turned onmy old cat and chasedHIM away. He He Even the cute little chickadees in the window feeder make his hair stand on end now.
wow, what a mess to go through for so long! [2007-02-16]
The reason for having to file CS orders against both is that my GD gets a small welfare check each month, Medicaid coverage and WIC (for now and free school lunches later). All CS attempts/costs are handled by the state agency, not a private attorney. They now have an interstate agreement that is supposed to be more efficient, but hey, that is their ball of wax. Any money they collect goes to the state first to repay the aid my GD gets, along with all the associated collection fees...so I really am not holding my breath (might pass out! lol) on EVER seeing any money. Neither of them can ever have custody of the child again due to the laws in my state, so what I have is the next best thing to adoption, plus GD gets the aid. So, I'll let the state do their thing - they are rated very high on the list of collecting CS as compared to other states - and now that I'm done with court appearances, I will just raise my little one and let those that need to worry do it for me :)
Thanks for your support and advice!
Rant about survey takers. sm [2006-12-13]
My electric bill is sky high, so I called the electric company to obtain a free survey and to ask questions to help lower the bill.A nice gentleman came to my home and offered good advice.
Today, I received a phone call asking about my experience with their service. I was happy with the service and told them that, however, it was a survey taker and every minute portion of my experience from requesting this service to practically what the guy was wearing was asked of me. I was on the phone for ten minutes, asking when this survey would end, and she said a few more questions, until it was 15 minutes and I hung up on her. I told her several times I was working and could not speak for long. I just needed to rant.
No I live in the boonies. In Nothingville. SM [2008-11-21]
I think he has had someone for so long and my mom took care of the bill paying and he never had to worry about bills or shopping or being alone. And now he can't deal with it. They divorced because he was cheating with another woman. I told him go be with her. I mean they are divorced now. If that is what he wants go get it. He said she has a 28 year old son and a 22 year old daughter with a baby who neither one work and lay around her house. He says how am I supposed to be with someone with that kind of mess. He said if I am with her I will basically have to take on her grown kids too. I said well that is her own fault she allows her grown children to be bums. It is just a dang mess. He got himself into it though.
With his bills it is like he can't sit down and say hey I can't pay for 2 vehicles and I have to get rid of one and he has other multiple bills I won't even go into. But if he is struggling to pay for both let one go back. I told him go file bankruptcy if you are having really bad problems with finanes. He said I don't want to file bankruptcy. Oh no. I said well that or lose your stuff. I have tried to give him advice and help him but he won't listen. He is stubborn.
Thanks for the suggestions. [2008-11-20]
Where the step is concerned it won't help. The situation is what it is and I knew it when we married. It's just frustrating at times but I know it is only temporary. I would hate to be the hateful ex who treats someone this way. It must be a terrible life to live constantly dreaming of ways to hurt your ex and his family instead of enjoying your own family and knowing that your child is well taken care of.
As for the family stuff. I have tried to talk to the leaders of the family and they looked at me like I was a complete loon. That's fine. They can do what they want. He can do what he wants, but our budget is what it is and that will mean less for his child. Next year I WILL have a xmas fund set up so that I can provide for our kids and we don't end up in this holiday mess again. If nothing else $20 a month is more than what we have now and I'm sure I can scrape that together if I really try.
Thanks for your help. :) I wish I could be oblivious like your husband!
Deenibeeni, you are right on sm [2008-11-19]
and the question is...why do you have creditors that have to be paid before you can eat? Is it his high spending habits that got you into this mess? He is starving you because why...you don't make the same money he does??? Toro poo poo!
Email me...we'll find you a better job at the very least. We need to talk and I won't harp on you, I only want to help. I'll pay for the call if you send the number and tell me when you are safe to talk.
I think you are an inspiration for wanting to do this....sm [2008-11-16]
I guess a lot of us can relate; I have 2 or 3 people from my past that have moved far away and I have no way of finding them right now, but please believe me, I truly want to do the same thing, go to them and make peace, to say be able to forgive each other and leave things on good terms. Regrets and guilts can slowly eat away, and it is good for your own personal health to do this, you must feel so much better. WE all mess up, we all need forgiveness now and then, or to grant forgiveness. You are a lovely person with integrity, honor, and caring to do this, such a lovely post to read!!!
it can be done - [2008-11-13]
My husband lost his job 2-1/2 years ago due to an accident at work. He has been on WC ever since then and has brought home less than 200 weekly. I basically have been the sole support since then and yes, it has been VERY hard.
We lost almost everything and have just managed to start getting things back right and now this mess hits...
I am going to be down about $800 this pay period and was down $700 last pay period. Of course, we have no savings to fall back on - used it up long ago.
I found a part-time inhouse job that pays by the hour and am starting it as soon as the paperwork is all processed that should at least get the house payment paid, but don't know what we will do about everything else.
Considering my circumstances I am looking - sm [2008-11-11]
forward to the holidays. I'm the one with the mega debt who confessed to her DH a month ago, etc. We will have his debts paid off in full in about 10 days. I still have quite a mess though. We sold back 2 weeks of his vacation time (lucky for us his work allows you to do this) and half of that is paying for Christmas, the rest is being banked in our savings account which needs restoking (used to have $5K in it but only $200 now). We are taking a night and going to the beach to see the lights (free hotel stay due to his travel points) and a nice dinner-- all of this is his idea too--, and he suggested I go up (with the kids of course) and spend New Years with my friends/family up in PA so I am surprised about that. He is going to try to come too for a day or two to have a late Christmas with my family as well. Things are all roses, but considering everything I am looking forward to seeing my dad and one of my brothers, the other is in England and his family is going there to spend Christmas with him in Ireland with his wife's family there. But DH is trying really hard, he even bought me a dozen roses on my birthday a couple days ago and a really nice card, I couldn't have been more surprised....normally I get nada, not even a card. Granted my daughter told him to get me flowers, but still, he went over the top. But I digress as usual....everyone just needs to stay within what they can afford, we are cutting back some of course, but I have a bit more wiggle room now that I have that vacation money coming. Do it every year and it is a lifesaver.
Know the feeling, have a cat and 2 dogs - sm [2008-11-09]
luckily no health problems for the most part, though one dog had a bad sore on his foot, think he was bitten by Copperhead as we had one hanging about (dead now), cost $150 or so for the visit and antibiotics and bitter spray so he wouldn't mess with it. Got the cat off her yearly leukemia shot, asked about that thought it nuts that she had to have it every year.....she is 5, they agreed and said once every 3 is fine....wish they'd told me that 4 years ago. I also get Lyme disease shot which was not recommended around here until this year....apparently lots of it is showing up now, so with Lyme, distemper, parvo and rabies it gets a bit pricey for the 2 dogs and 1 cat. Our vet is very reasonable though, but her costs have gone up with her new addition onto her office and a new partner in the practice too.....we are rural though so that helps keep the costs down quite a bit....only one other vet here (2 miles from her), the next closest vet is 20+ miles away.
All these people are coming for thanksgiving... [2008-11-07]
My house is a cluttered mess. I just don I mean, I guess I do...I What I thought would be fun is giving me heart palpitations. Any advice?
Who would be the best to ask [2008-11-03]
advice about money.I just received my credit score and it is less than 700. However, I paid $6 and received 1 credit score and read at another place I should have 3 after I did this. It did tell me why my score was so low, one was that I don I just paid off my mortgage and I thought that was a good thing. According that that, it is not. I thought maybe I should take out another mortgage against my house. I have a 10K cc bill that is at 28% and thought if I barrowed against my house, I would probably get a lower % and maybe that would help?? but.......another reason it saidwas that I had too many recent inquiries about my credit report. Well, if I borrowed against my house, thenanothercreditor would probably have to look up my report. Another one was that I was 30 days late paying on something too recently and that I had opened and closed an account in too short of a period of time in 2005.
Anyway, my 401K guy is always full of good advice and so is HNeither menever seem to want payment for their good advice as of yet anyway. I just wondered if these are the people I should ask OR is there something better out there. Another problem we are faceing is that our checking account seems to always go under at least 1 a month. Everything is such a mess, I am trying to get it all straightened out. I don
I just did a very quick google search and...sm [2008-11-02]
several people said scrubbing nail polish remover worked for them (not for others). Unfortunately, you seem to have quite a mess to deal with. IF it does work, maybe you could get the girl to come back and help clean it up? A good chance to teach the girl that inappropriate behaviors bring consequences, a lesson she does not seem to be learning from her parents. Good luck with that carpet.
I was not out buying designer clothes or stuff for myself - sm [2008-10-25]
in my case it was we, mainly him, spent way more than we make. Everytime one of his cards got a large balance (he never looked at the statements and I pay the bills) I would tranfer it over to one of my cards, which again he never looked at, and I had a P.O. Box for--so in my case it was very, very easy to do, and with paperless statements today even easier. We had a lot of things happen in our life over the past 4 years which made the money/credit card issue much worse, easily added $40K onto it (at $89K now)--family death, serious child illness--still dealing with that some--, job loss on my part, private school tuition ($12K a year---no longer go there for the last 2 years), inability to pay bills and heavily borrowed on cards----d-u-m-b I know. So don't be so quick to judge, it is not always so black and white. Yes I did get a few things I should not have, but I know during some of this time I was depressed though not horribly so but enough so as to buy a few things I never should have, but for 95% of it it was my DH never denying himself anything (though he would have if he'd known, and now he is --granted not too happy about it---one tiny concession he has made is only 9 beers a day, down from 12, so maybe he can get 3 days out of a case of beer instead of 2.) So my days of robbing Peter to pay Paul are over. We plan to have an open book when it comes to finances once his are paid off, and mine are enrolled with a debt management plan--- then only use his cards for gas, and work stuff basically--I won't have any as they will all get destroyed and cancelled in the DMP, and will use my debit card for everything --which I do now anyway, so it won't be a huge change for me. I don't think she is lamenting, just realizing what a horrid mess she has to deal with, it is hard, and I have to deal with my DHs comments for years to come, he did a few zingers last night. I will be okay though and have to pay the piper, it is worth it not having to go through a nasty divorce and custody fight as I know it would not have been pretty.
No wonder it's so hard to get through - and why [2008-10-24]
And yet US hospitals are trusting confidential data to the people who built that tangled mess. Unbelievable.
What is up with these people? [2008-10-21]
My children have no grandparents at all due to this kind of crap. When my mom was alive she stepped over the line all the time.
I am no longer speaking to my father (whom I have always adored) because of my oldest daughter and his deciding he could do it better as far as raising her (this from an ex-alcoholic).
My X-in-laws tried to take my children away from me when their dad died and would not quit saying bad things about me when they saw them so my kids quit going (of their own accord).
My current husbands father has called me and my husband names in front of the kids and his new wife constantly made racial comments, so none of the kids see them anymore either.
What happened to just being a grandparent? Someone to spoil the kids and be there for them, not take over as their parent because they felt their own child was not doing a good enough job!!!
I so wish I had cut all ties with my father sooner, even though I love him, it would have saved everyone a lot of heartache and maybe my oldest would not be the mess that she is (or at least not as much).
It makes me very angry that these people cannot have the same respect for US as parents that they say THEY deserve!!
sounds delicious -- my little boy is in the kitchen [2008-10-21]
i set him up with the mixer in the sink so he doesn he loves baking cakes cuz it's like a science project (he's 8)... loves baking...
i don't think you are judgemental at all sm [2008-10-21]
he is selfish in a lot of ways. i do EVERYTHING around this house and he knows it and he admits it. but i get tired of it. i've told him several times i feel like a single parent. he's not as active with the kids as i would like him to be. i pretty much put my kids before him because they don't get much attention from him because he's always sleeping. oh, i could just go on and on, but i'm not. and he's not one to really sit down and have a heart to heart with. i've tried to talk with him when things are bugging me and he doesn't say much back to me. he's not a communicator. and he never talks to me if something is bothering him. so i figure, why even try to talk to him and tell him how i feel about stuff. he doesn't open up to me. his whole family is that way. it's really aggravating. even just normal everyday conversation, there just isn't much talking. sometimes i wonder if i couldn've found another who i had more in common with. i met my hubby when i was a teenager and that's the only one i've ever dated. we've been married 14 years and been a couple for 21 years. but we are just so different. i'm much more outgoing and like to do family things, keep in touch with friend, etc, but he'd rather be a hermit and stay home and sleep or just lay around. i don't like wasting my time, because there's not much of it. i like to try to make the most of my time, whether it's visiting with family, playing outside with the kids, or just sitting down with the kids and playing a board game or reading to them. he never does that stuff with them. owell, i'm really sorry i got off on a rant here.
sometimes i think i'd be happier a single person. but i'll never leave him. i do love him, but don't feel in love any more and it's just easier staying put. we have a good life (as far as having a nice house with lots of land and not many bills), it's just we don't have much in common.
ok, i'm done. sorry for this being long and going off.
However... [2008-10-17]
Marriage is defined in the Bible as man/woman...not man/man, woman/woman...Our country~~~YES IT IS OUR COUNTRY~~~was founded on the Bible and God and Christianity. When people go out and publicly protest and demand rights, then YES...it is being shoved down OUR throats! Homosexual marriage is against the beliefs that this country was founded on and should remain illegal. Homosexual couples should NOT qualify for the same benefits as heterosexual couples do...insurance, for example. This is God But, with the way WE'VE~~~yes WE~~~ have shunned God, He'd have every right to turn his back on us and let us wallow in our own mess...
Talking with a nonChristian about Jesus [2008-10-17]
I have been reading this and I just wanted to offer a few thoughts:
1) No, you cannot go up to someone and say YOU ARE A SINNER! REPENT and expect a positive reaction. I think that God will give you opportunities to talk to people. When those opportunities arise, you ask for their permission to speak with them about it. If they say no, you drop it. I believe that God will open the hearts of those who are ready to hear it. If they do give you permission, you donYOU are a sinner because I saw YOU lying to so and so, I heard that YOU were sleeping with so and so and you At the moment of witnessing to someone, you better believe Satan is standing right there waiting for you to slip up so he can turn it against you. I think a better thing would be to say Well God tells us in the Bible that WE are ALL sinners no matter what we do. That is why we need Jesus.
2) Back you're claims up with Bible verses. That way no one thinks you are saying this in you're own words. Some good Scripture for witnessing:
Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
These are just some to get you started. If the person you are talking to has opened their heart to hearing you, I doubt they won't want to hear the verses.
3) If you get a positive reaction, don't leave them to figure out the rest by themselves. Support them, invite them to church, introduced them to other loving Christians.
Look, our nation is at war, but we are in a much bigger war. Satan is wreaking havoc in our nation and for to long we have sat by and let him. But just because the situation is dire does not mean we can just stand on our soap boxes and start proclaiming out loud that everyone is a sinner and they must all repent now. It requires personal connections with people. All throughout the Bible you read about Jesus having a personal connection. He spoke to people one on one. He allowed them to discuss the issue with Him, to question Him. One of his disciples even doubted Him! I know many of us, myself included, probably questioned all the way up to the aisle before we gave our lives over to Him. It is our nature to do so.
As much as we all pray for a revival in this nation and in our churches, I doubt it will happen. Any of you who have studied and believe in the Bible know the time is drawing near. It is also said that every nation will turn against us before He comes. It's time to come together and be ready to support one another, because times are going to get tough. If you are sitting on the fence, you better choose a side, because Satan owns that fence.
Call me crazy, call me fanatical. But I KNOW that my Lord is the living Christ, and I know that he will come back, and I am much more concerned about what He thinks about me then what YOU think about me! :)
True Christians love everyone. We just hate sin. I hate that I sin everyday. But I thank God that I can ask for forgiveness and He gives it. All this mess about oh you Christians hate gay people, hate abortion supporters, hate blacks, etc is simply not true. I have friends who are gay. I love them just as much as I love my Christian brothers and sisters. I just don't love the sin. Abortion is a sin. And I'm not sure why you say we hate black people unless you're saying it's because we don't vote for Obama, but black is just another color and Jesus doesn't pay attention to color, therefore neither should we, and I believe most of us don't. The ones that do are sinning and will have to ask for forgiveness.
If anyone is seriously interested in discussing this or just wants to talk, please email me. If you just want to be hateful and bash, please, just save it.
Umm... what's that got to do with the price of eggs? [2008-10-16]
That was a pretty off-subject, incoherent rant.
No we have to do it this way....he is using that -sm [2008-10-15]
to pay his, I am doing CCCS I guess. We do not want to do bankruptcy, plus we own some property, which he does not want to see, though neither do I, and they would go after that in a bankruptcy. We have done a loan before on the 401K, not a big deal, paid it back in 5 years. We will do the same thing again and still make our current contributions of about $10K a year to it. So we are not shortchanging ourselves too much. He is starting to get mad now though, shock is wearing off, wish it wasn't. But I made the mess and have to live with the consequences. He just wants all the loose ends tied up quickly. I have faith that we won't lose our house....he is now convinced we will....we have never been late with the mortgage and I don't intend to now....with his cards paid off it will free up about $500 (after the loan payback), and I know mine will be reduced so that will free up probably another $500, so we will be okay, actually in better financial shape than before in terms of cash flow, though in debt for 5 years.
Well, they are fun....my husband made a bunch of them (sm) [2008-10-14]
out of PVC pipes for my son's boy scout troop...they loved them. But then they were told by a ranger that they couldn't do it because of the mess they left behind. We had thought that out in the woods the animals and bugs could eat them but they didn't like the idea because it might attract wildlife near the camp sites.
I think I would just ask the parents before getting them. They are a lot of fun though, and if they have a natural area where they can use them I don't see an issue.
I couldn't agree more, Gabbychick [2008-10-13]
You said everything we've been saying here at home! Rescuing the fat cats from their own mess is just stupid! Make the CEOs give back their multimillion dollar bonuses, that'd go a long way in bailing out these flailing companies. Ugh, don't get me started...
Okay you asked for it [2008-10-10]
This is my very messy desk (ah - room). I am so busy with running a business and also transcribing that I hardly ever have time to clean my desk. What a mess! If you look closely on the floor just to the right of my chair, you can probably see two pink Good and Plenty candies that I forgot to pick up. Hee hee.
people drive in the "fast lane" when they aren't passing anyone!!! [2008-10-10]
get over already!!!
Didnslower traffic keep right!!!
LOL my rant for the day :)
I'm going back to school!!!! [2008-10-09]
Sorry ya'll I am just so excited! I've really been wanting to go back and finish my psychology degree and now I can! We're gonna have to sacrifice some things (bye bye cable TV and cell phone extras) but if I don't go now when will I??
I just hope that this economic mess doesn't mess up my Stafford loan.... :/
Absolutely love it! [2008-10-08]
My desk is a total mess all the time. My husband is always asking me how I can work this way. I told him not to touch anything because I knew where everything was - - lol! How did you post your picture? Let me know, and if I can I will post a picture of my tornado alley.
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