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Salvation Army? [2008-05-06]
I'm not certain on this so you may want to do a little more investigating but I think the Salvation Army is sponsored by or maybe just has a large volunteer population from the military. if i remember correctly they are the ones who do the Toys for Tots too.
Salvation Army, etc. [2007-12-15]
I give to Salvation Army every time I walk in a store. In fact, I quit shopping at Target years ago because they wouldn crap--well not for the unbornbaby!) Anyway, I make a point to go where the good people who give back are ringing those bells. All growing up we gave to SA, too.
I know Catholic Charities is a biggie, too. My ma-in-law is big into that one.
Hopefully you Good luck to you, my dear.
PS: This is what I prefer to see on these boards instead of the bickering and picking over silly stuff. This is what we should all be concentrating on--those who really need us to be here for them. This msg and the one from the lady who found out her husband has been cheating on her speaks volumes as to the kind of humans who are really behing these messages. We have a wonderful, caringgroup of people here!
We always clean out our closets for Salvation [2007-12-03]
Army, and donate to the Toys for Tots. We also just gave a bunch of good furniture to hospice, and I always do their tree ornament angel thing as I've had hospice for my mom and dad and am ever so grateful for that help.
Salvation Army....... [2007-11-18]
If they go to just one agency, such as St. Vincent DE Paul or Salvation Army, sometimes they can refer them to other agencies that provide help. In the area I live in, the churches have funds available to help people pay utility bills and such. We also have a Catholic college that assists people with food, clothing and toys for the kids. There also is Catholic Social Services, not sure if they have them in FL or not. Hope that helps. Prayers to the family that they find the assistance they need.
My 19-year-old daughter wants to join the Army. I'm very scared at the thought. Any advice out th [2007-08-30]
Before the Iraq war, I would have been more excited that she wanted to do something positive with her life for a change, but this thought is scary as we know people that have lost their children in the war. I know in some ways this could turn her life around and be what she needs as she is very immature and is going down the wrong road, but are there other alternatives. A lot of people tell us it's still a good time for kids. Any thoughts out there?
Army does not always equal [2007-08-30]
Though I completely understand where you Hear her out about the complete plan of what she wants to do. She could go as non-combat, right? Be proud of her for making such a mature decision.
Why the Army? She'd be much safer in Navy [2007-08-30]
My husband just completed his tour of duty in May with the Navy and never went anywhere near Iraq. The only places he went where Key West, Guam, Hawaii, and Nevada. My sister was also in the Navy and got out almost 2 years ago. She never went to the Middle East or anywhere dangerous either. I know the Navy has been overstaffed recently though, but they can always use people in healthcare and may let her join that way.
Salvation Army, Goodwill, Habitat for Humanity [2007-08-21]
All have trucks that will pick up household items, at least in our area. They should be listed in the phone book. You can call them and see when they will be in your area.
If her salvation is in question... [2007-03-27]
...then that would be because of a capricious, arbitrary and cruel God that only a human could dream up. That God would possess no true God-like qualities if a person is condemned eternally because of not following some rules that are human interpretations of the word of God. Sigh.
I believe goodness in this life will be rewarded if there is an afterlife, whether Buddhist, agnostic, Christian whatever. Different religions suit different cultures....but it
Concerning her salvation..sm [2007-03-26]
Think about theoccasions in her life when she undoubtedly was influenced by other Christians. She may have made that decision late in her life and that is what you need to focus on.
My sons have been in Scouts for some time now...sm [2008-07-03]
My youngest (11 years old) was in Cub Scouts for about 3 years and crossed over into a newly chartered troop. My oldest son (17 years old) joined the troop also, mostly out of necessity (we needed his warm body in order to have enough boys to charter). My youngest loves it and my oldest is kind of lukewarm about it. I have also been a leader at the pack, troop, district and council level for over 4 years now. We are basically a scouting family and love it.
With that said, however, I will say that scouting is not for everyone, and everyone does not get out of scouting what is there for them to learn simply because everyone is not interested in learning those things or because of poor leadership within the scouting unit. In your case, it sounds to me as if the latter may be true.
You didn't say how old your son is or how long he has been in scouting, but it sounds to me like he has a very poor leader if he makes them camp this way. Some overly self-glorified scout leaders try to turn scouting into junior Army training which is not what it is meant to be. If there is another pack or troop in the area, you might consider changing and see if that improves his scouting experience by a new leader and better camping conditions. When we camp, each boy has his own tent (can be bought at Walmart for about $15) and we always have a campfire in a designated fire ring that burns pretty much all night. Each boy is safely enclosed in his own tent that zips up which greatly reduces the chances of spiders, snakes, bugs, etc. Of course the boys have to be trained to keep their tent flaps zipped closed at all times so that nothing gets in.
My advice from a scouter's viewpoint is to talk to your son and then you and your son and husband talk to the scout leader and see what can be done to improve the scouting experience for your son as well as the other boys in the unit. If the leader does not want to chanage his ways to more closely follow the scouting ideals, then find another troop or pack to join. Sounds like there is a LOT of room for improvement here.
Here is a link that may help, too. http://netcommish.com/askandy.asp
I don't mind at all that you sent my email along. [2008-07-03]
There is plenty of training material available to scout leaders on the transition period and how to help the boys stay in scouting. There are videos, training sessions run by people like me, written material, etc. It's out there. It's just hard to get it through some of the leaders' brains that the boys need to be treated like boys in transition, and not like army recruits. I really applaud you for being willing to go out on the trips with the troop. That is also a hard thing to do with so many men around. I looked very carefully when my boys were crossing over to scout troops. We are fortunate in our area to have many troops to choose from. We found a great troop headed by mostly even-thinking adults who had no problem with a woman joining them. It's not perfect, and every now and then, some sexist fool says or does something stupid, but nothing is ever insurmountable in that regard. Know that having women leaders is a unit option, which means that the chartering organization can decide that no girls are allowed, so to speak. This is sometimes done for religious reasons. Other times it's just sort of a tacit tradition. I didn't have to overcome that issue, and in fact, when it was discovered that I had been camping all my life and was an avid solo backpacker, I got the job of teaching the boys about backpacking, too. Our troop welcomed all volunteers who were willing to be trained and who could commit to helping the boys.
I do hope it works out for your son. If you do join as a leader, be sure that you take advantage of all the training opportunities available to you. Your troop should have a training coordinator or advancement chair who knows when training is offered. (By the way, are the adult leaders of this troop fully trained? That's VERY important.) As a GSUSA leader, you should understand the value of training. The Girl Scouts really do a great job of requiring leaders to be trained. BSA councils and districts, however, sometimes vary on how strict they are on training requirements. Don't be afraid to help out. You're doing this for your son, and that really is a great motivator. And what's really cool is that most of us start out wanting to help our own sons, but in the process we help so many other boys and parents along the way.
Good luck!
My roughest birthday was.... [2008-06-28]
When I was 34. I donspecial for my b-day. Oh yea, the last time he took me out to eat specially for my b-day was 1989, but dinner was a disaster so after that I just said forget it. Usually we have pizza delivered. So I'm now 48 and I'd give anything to turn the clocks back about 28 years. So much I would do differently and so many things I wouldn't do.
MI's been in it's own one-state recession for years [2008-06-18]
All forgotten here. Rumor has it MI was once a super-power, but not in my life-time. Boarded up, gravitti-ridden, poverty-stricken. Highest in unemployment, top-ten in foreclosures, top-ten in high gas prices. Our warted governor certainly is not spending our tax dollars wisely. My only salvation has been to not get in over my head.I drive a $700 car and bought my house for 13K. Gotta love the clean beaches, too.
These are my good ol days [2008-05-11]
First being of course growing up where all I had to worry bout was studying in school and getting good grades. All four grandparents were alive. Grandma working wardrobe. I'm grateful for what I have but it is very depressing to see everything sky rocket. What used to cost me $100 a week for groceries I'm now spending around $200. So while I am grateful for what I do have I sure do miss the good old days.
Salvation Army? [2008-05-06]
I'm not certain on this so you may want to do a little more investigating but I think the Salvation Army is sponsored by or maybe just has a large volunteer population from the military. if i remember correctly they are the ones who do the Toys for Tots too.
ok, so you got me thinkin... [2008-05-06]
and i really wanted to know the answer to your question as well. check out this site, looks pretty good toward the bottom. i didn't have time to go through all the links but i think it will lead you to the right stuff... i.e. army corp of engineers, forestry projects.
http://www.usa.gov/Citizen/Topics/PublicService.shtml
Send the over 60 crowd to war.... [2008-05-01]
Maybe this should be on the politics board but it's funny on any board......
Drafting Guys over 60 ----this is so Funny obviously written by a Former MARINE----- New Direction for any war: Send Service Vets over 60! I am over 60 and the Armed Forces thinks IInstead of sending 18-year olds off to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana>For starters:Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10 seconds. Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a day, leaving us more than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.Young guys havenI canBesides, like I said, In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a real brainteaser.Boot camp would be easier for old guys. WeWeII can hear the Drill Sgt. In the ahead of him. HeHe still hasn FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana>These are all great reasons to keep our kids at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off into harmShare this with your senior friends. It COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana>
athiest soldier doesn't believe in God but [2008-04-27]
I commend for this man for standing up for what he doesn't believe in!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352703,00.html
JUNCTION CITY, Kan.— Like hundreds of young men joining the Army in recent years, Jeremy Hall professes a desire to serve his country while it fights terrorism.
But the short and soft-spoken specialist is at the center of a legal controversy. He has filed a lawsuit alleging he FONT-SIZE: 100%! important; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1px! important; COLOR: darkgreen! important; BORDER-BOTTOM: darkgreen 0.07em solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent! important; TEXT-DECORATION: underline! important href=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352703,00.html# target=_blank itxtdid=4915055>Robert Gates.
I Hall said. I want no one else to go what I went through.
Known as the atheist guy, Hall has been called immoral, a devil worshipper and — just as severe to some soldiers — gay, none of which, he says, is true. Hall even drove fellow soldiers to church in Iraq and paused while they prayed before meals.
I see a name and rank and United States flag on their shoulder. That he said.
Hall, 23, was raised in a Protestant family in North Carolina and dropped out of school before earning his GED. It wasn't until after he joined the Army that he began questioning religion, eventually deciding he couldn't follow any faith.
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But he feared how that would look to other soldiers.
I was ashamed to say that I was an atheist, Hall said.
It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.
I said, I
The issue came to a head when, according to Hall, a superior officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, threatened to bring charges against him for trying to hold a meeting of atheists in Iraq. Welborn has denied Hall's allegations.
Hall said he had had enough but feared he wouldn't get support from Welborn's superiors. He turned to Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
Weinstein is the foundation's president and a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate. He had previously sued the Air Force for acts he said illegally imposed Christianity on students at the academy, though that case was dismissed. He calls Hall a hero.
The average American doesn Weinstein said. You know how hard it is to take on your chain of command? This isn
Hall was in Qatar when the lawsuit was filed on Sept. 18 in federal court in Kansas City, Kan. Other soldiers learned of it and he feared for his own safety. Once, Hall said, a group of soldiers followed him, harassing him, but no one did anything to make it stop.
The Army told him it couldn't protect him and sent him back to Fort Riley. He resumed duties with a military police battalion. He believes his promotion to sergeant has been blocked because of his lawsuit, but he is a team leader responsible for two junior enlisted soldiers.
No one with Fort Riley, the Army or Defense Department would comment about Hall or the lawsuit. Each issued statements saying that discrimination will not be tolerated regardless of race, religion or gender.
The Department respects (and supports by its policy) the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs, said Eileen Lainez, a spokeswoman for the Department of Defense.
All three organizations said existing systems help soldiers address and resolve any perceived unfair treatment.
Lt. Col. David Shurtleff, a Fort Riley chaplain, declined to discuss Hall's case but said chaplains accommodate all faiths as best they can. In most cases, religious issues can be worked out without jeopardizing military operations.
When you FONT-SIZE: 100%! important; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1px! important; COLOR: darkgreen! important; BORDER-BOTTOM: darkgreen 0.07em solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent! important; TEXT-DECORATION: underline! important href=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352703,00.html# target=_blank itxtdid=3594065>Afghanistan and an IED blows up a Humvee, they aren Shurtleff said.
Hall said he enjoys being a team leader but has been told that having faith would make him a better leader.
I will take care of my soldiers. Nowhere does it say I have to pray with my soldiers, but I do have to make sure my soldiers he said.
Religion brings comfort to a lot of people, he said. Personally, I don
Hall leaves the Army in April 2009. He would like to find work with the National Park Service or Environmental Protection Agency, anything outdoors.
I hope this doesn Hall said of his lawsuit. It
You Don't Know Me Like That [2008-04-22]
I used to be a soldier in the US Army (under Regan).
I have a thing for Orlando Bloom.
I have my own secret retreat in my mind I go to often to de-stress.
I am the great great niece of Mayor Hunt (from Lancashire England).
I wish I lived in the 1700s (but with today's dentistry and medicine).
He thought it was a hospital gown [2008-04-17]
This is a little late - just saw the posting. We were in army overseas and I showed him a pic of the dress I would wear (I didnWhen were you in the hospital?
With respect . . . [2008-03-14]
Having grown up in a devote Catholic family, and forced to go to Catholic school all my life many, many years ago I have studied many, many religions in my search for Truth. Even as a small, small child, I could not buy the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is an organization bent on interpretation of Christ's teachings, run by men, and a control tool for the public, especially women. The idea that the Catholic Church is the one true church is ridicuous. Again, the key word here is its interpretation. Interpretation is going to be different to different people and different cultures. The Catholic Church was the greatest proponent of reincarnation until the 15th century when St. Augstine thought it afforded mankind too ample a time for salvation. It was a mystical powerful church, but felt that imparting sacred mystical teachings was only for the select few at the top, not their lowly congregations. It plundered and slaughtered thousands of humans to convert them. But then so have many other religions in the name of God. This is the problem with any organized religion. Don't get me wrong, there are many fine Catholics, and many fine people who believe in it. There is but ONE sacred bond that involves onto two sides, you and God. Nothing could be more sacred. You do not need an organization for that. It is a sacred private matter, just you and God. No one else. No one needs to belive or follow an organization, or think that the only way to God is through that organization. That is ridiculous, and a means of control.
From a practicine and devout Catholic... [2008-03-11]
The sacrament of confession may take place either face-to-face with a priest confessor or through the more traditional screen in a confessional. The face-to-face method is considered more modern, but in ancient times this was the practice. In fact, public confessions in front of the entire church community were done. Today, both are acceptable ways. Some people prefer to sit and talk to their confessors, others like the anonymity of the screen. It's a preference. Catholic churches built more recently, say from the late 1970s on sometimes do not have confessionals. That was part of the post-Vatican II construction, and a lot of the traditional architectural structures were abandoned. Within the past 10, maybe even 5 years, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has spoken on this topic, and is encouraging newly constructed Catholic churches to include some of the more traditional architectural features to be included, such as kneeling rails before the altar, side altars, confessionals, etc.
So the answer to your question is that confession can be done either face-to-face or behind a screen. It's a matter of personal preference, and is sometimes influenced by the availability of confessionals in recently constructed churches. In any case, Catholics are not required to go to confession in their home parishes. They may take part in the sacrament of reconciliation with any Catholic priest and at other Catholic churches. Your friend is doing nothing wrong, and no matter where she goes to confession she is receiving God's grace and spiritual direction.
I know this topic comes up from time to time, and debate about whether or not confession to a man is necessary for salvation. I will not join in that debate. Arguments about the Catholic Church arise because of a lack of understanding about what the Church actually believes. Archbishop Fulton Sheen said, Few hate the Catholic Church, but millions hate what they mistakenly think is the Catholic Church.
There is a wonderful website which includes a podcast network of great programming on what the Catholic Church believes. One in particular, The Daily Breakfast, usually includes a segment called The Peculiar Bunch, which answers all sorts of questions that non-Catholics have about the things that Catholics do. If anyone is interested, they can visit SQPN.com
It's true, a lot of what we Catholics do seems very peculiar! I admit it! But there are reasons why we do these things. Whether or not other people agree with those reasons is another matter altogether. We are all brothers and sisters created by God. Our human dignity is paramount, and stems from being God's very own creations. Therefore, even through disagreements, we should be respectful. I personally think that learning about why different faiths believe what they do is one way that we can show respect for each other and for the human dignity imbued in us by God.
That is a coincidence [2008-01-08]
That's amazing they were born the same date. Not bad luck though. I read all the posts below and I think people who don't know you, your son or your daughter are judging. They say they aren't but it sounds like they are. I totally agree with you on two things. First, you should have your key back. You don't give it to other people who don't live at your house, it doesn't matter if he is your son. Like you said, you don't have a key to your moms house, neither do I to my parents or anyone I know that doesn't live at that house. Second the point is exactly what you said...they didn't discuss the situation with you. I didn't think a 16-year-old child had the right to make that kind of choice unless its living with the mother or father. Either way they should have talked to you first and you could have sorted out whatever brought this on. I'll tell you the biggest mistake of my life (although your case is not as drastic). I joined the Army without discussing it with anyone. I was mad at my mom and wanted out of the house and thought this was the easiest way (and one she would not be able to do anything about - change the situation I mean) - and I was 20 years old at the time. Now as an adult how I wished I would have sat down with my parents and told them what I was thinking about doing. I wish you all the best and hope you all can sit down at some point. If you are responsible for him because he is at his age, he and his sister should know that some kind of rules need to apply to him because of the law with you being responsible. Anyway...I do not think you were wrong to ask for your key. Best of luck to you.
Regarding Christmas [2007-12-21]
A letter from God to His children ... Dear Children,It has come to my attention that many of you are upset that folks are taking My name out of the season. Maybe you Now having said that, let Me go on.If it bothers you that the town in which you live doesn I actually spoke of that one in a teaching that explains who I am in relation to you and what each of our tasks are. If you have forgotten that one, look at John 15:1-8.If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth here is my wish list. Choose something from it.1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma>3. Instead of writing George complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why donMerry Christmas that doesn COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma>Then stop shopping there on Sunday. If the store didnChristmas tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you donDon time is short. I COLOR: red; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial>~ God
Salvation Army, etc. [2007-12-15]
I give to Salvation Army every time I walk in a store. In fact, I quit shopping at Target years ago because they wouldn crap--well not for the unbornbaby!) Anyway, I make a point to go where the good people who give back are ringing those bells. All growing up we gave to SA, too.
I know Catholic Charities is a biggie, too. My ma-in-law is big into that one.
Hopefully you Good luck to you, my dear.
PS: This is what I prefer to see on these boards instead of the bickering and picking over silly stuff. This is what we should all be concentrating on--those who really need us to be here for them. This msg and the one from the lady who found out her husband has been cheating on her speaks volumes as to the kind of humans who are really behing these messages. We have a wonderful, caringgroup of people here!
That's just fine with me! [2007-12-10]
Just reading that list put me in the Holiday SPIRIT! Now between your cookies and that egg nog with laying under the tree (no not under the table, under the Christmas tree), you are all definitely getting me there... now to walmart for Charlie Brown music and to put money in Salvation Army (I know type-A again). LOL. Anybody got more cookie recipes, there's a lot of pauses in between dictations here.... Thanks again! :)
Great post, I am going to follow your advice [2007-12-09]
It says everything that should be said. I in no way feel just because family should accept, in that were the case every family member could just stop in and that would be feeding an army. I dislike the bad manners to start with; never should you say you are coming to a dinner not having been invited in the first place. To be truthful, feel like uninviting the others he volunteered to drive here- if not for them he would have never known about the dinner in the first place. They told him at a Thanksgiving dinner they had (we were invited, working though, did not attend) and I really resent their saying anything about in in front of other family members who I did not invite this year. We usually have a group of 10 only here at my home, the same each and every year. Others are out of town. Thanks for the wonderful suggestions! I shall follow through.
Can you give time to a charity? [2007-12-09]
Ever since I started helping out with charity events around Christmas it seems that I love the holiday even more. Maybe help the Salvation Army collect money/toys or hand them out? I saw an interview with Ann Curry where she said that giving around the holidays helps her, too. That it's hard to be sad when you see all these people who are going through terrible times. You become grateful for what you have. It worked for me. :)
We always clean out our closets for Salvation [2007-12-03]
Army, and donate to the Toys for Tots. We also just gave a bunch of good furniture to hospice, and I always do their tree ornament angel thing as I've had hospice for my mom and dad and am ever so grateful for that help.
paying for college [2007-11-27]
I have two sons in college right now ...one out-of-state, one in a private university. They both end up getting paid to go to school because they have so many scholorships. Did the high school counselor help me find any....NO. We are in a small town and I got no help from the school or town. Neither one of my sons played any sports...but I will tell you whatI found out...what is more important is that your child is involved in school and the community. They don have ever worked a day in their life...they want to know what they have done in school grade wise, and community wise. Even just ringing the bells for the Salvation Army at Chrismtas time will earn you a scholorship. I filled out over 56 scholorships for both my sons to go to school for free...you just have to learn as you go how to word answers on the scholorships. We are not poor but we are not rich...but we made to much money to get any FAFSA help.
this is a hoax - discovered after I forwarded...LOL [2007-11-22]
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/support-the-troops.htm
Send a Letter to A Recovering American Soldier at Walter Reed Army Medical Center-Fiction!
Summary of the eRumor:The brief email gives the address for the famous Walter Reed Army Medical Center and suggests that you include A Recovering American Soldier on your Christmas card list.
The Truth:The Walter Reed Army Medical Center will not receive letters that are not addressed to a particular soldier by name.In a statement, the facility said Walter Reed cannot accept these packages in support of the decision by then Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Transportation Policy in 2001. This decision was made to ensure the safety and well being of patients and staff at medical centers throughout the Department of Defense.The decision applies to packages, letters, Christmas cards, or any other mail not addressed to a soldier by name.Additionally the U.S. Postal Service has stopped delivering any mail that is addressed to A Recovering American Soldier or Any Wounded Soldier, which are the most common recommendations in the eRumors that circulate about sending messages to soldiers at Walter Reed.Instead, Water Reed suggests making a donation to www.americasupportsyou.mil which is a site representing more than 300 organizations helping the troops in various ways.Updated 11/7/07
A real example of the eRumor as it has appeared on the Internet:
A Great Idea!!!When you are making out your Christmas card list this year, pleaseincludethe following:
A Recovering American soldier c/o Walter Reed Army Medical Center 6900 Georgia Avenue NW Washington D.C. 20307-5001
PASS it on!!
A Good idea... [2007-11-18]
Just passing some helpful info along I received in an email--
When doing your Christmas cards this year, take one card and send it to this address. If we pass this on and everyone sends one card, think of how many cards these wonderful special people who have sacrificed so much would get.
A Recovering American Soldier c/o Walter Reed Army MedicalCenter 6900 Georgia Avenue,NW Washington, D.C. 20307-5001
Salvation Army....... [2007-11-18]
If they go to just one agency, such as St. Vincent DE Paul or Salvation Army, sometimes they can refer them to other agencies that provide help. In the area I live in, the churches have funds available to help people pay utility bills and such. We also have a Catholic college that assists people with food, clothing and toys for the kids. There also is Catholic Social Services, not sure if they have them in FL or not. Hope that helps. Prayers to the family that they find the assistance they need.
I will ask my cousin's husband [2007-11-17]
he Also my pastor at my church has son over there. Will ask what she sends
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