and how can it really be compared...

Posted By: Kendra on 2009-02-09
In Reply to: Now, that's ridiculous..... - brook

There is no objective basis for rating sex that one is not having, so a child that is circumcised and birth and a child who is uncircumcised cannot possibly compare whether or not the experience is "enhanced" or not. Should a man be circumcised at an adult age, it is possible that he just believes it is not as good, just like the placebo effect in drug trials. Also, maybe it is better for it not to be as good for the man. He will last longer that way. At any rate, I don't believe it is child abuse any more than I believe that calves should be anesthetized for castration. The anesthesia risks far outweight the benefits and I know that when my son was circumcised, he was not even crying when they brought him back 10 minutes later. It couldn't have been that bad.

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Do you think infant male circumcision is child abuse? - nm
- Do you think that piercing a child's ears is abuse? - Kendra
- As a woman married to a noncirc and - the mother of 3 circs -- here's my 2 cents
  - ABSOLUTELY! They do it WITHOUT anesthetic sm - Mom of 2 uncircs
    - www.nocirc.org - YES
  - I think in the past... - MT
    - 2 of the 3 were covered by insurance - the mother of 3 circs -- here's my 2 cents
- I don't think so. I have 2 boys. They have - me
  - Ouch, at 50-y/o....I'd run away screaming - sm - XXX
- yes, but out of ignorance, not malice - just like the western world is all up in arms abou
  - look up the lower down posts, this is a totally different story..nm - x
- no, not child abuse. what will they think of next? SM - anon
  - what do you mean by 'think of next?' This - brook
- There is a religious not hygenic reason for circumcision. - Golda
  - the bris - sadie
  - Thanks for explaining this. Do you kinow if this holds also true for Muslims? nm - x
    - Mulisms and circumcision - Golda
      - My dh is from Morocco... - MT
        Aren't Muslim babies in theArab countries cicumcised before they leave the hospital? nm - x
        Some are, just like anywhere... - MT
      - Thank you again for explaining, interesting and inspiring..nm - x
- Use some common sense - Give me a break
  - You're funny... - MT
- It's a personal decision... - MT
  - How old is your child? - jc
    - Old enough to know... - MT
      - so I take it he's not sexually mature yet? - he may not be so thankful to you
        Quit assuming... - MT
        no kidding - deenibeeni
- I personally don't know the statistics, but - - NYMT
  - why not cut off the ears at birth to prevent - ear infections?
    - Now, that's ridiculous..... - brook
      - and how can it really be compared... - Kendra
  - not being circumcized promotes penile cancer - looks like your god messed up some things
    - Then why is there a higher incidence in the US... - deenibeeni
      - We get it deeni sweetie, you - sm
        No point going to Washington, BabyCakes - deenibeeni
        Baby Cakes, I LOVE it...thanks honey! - sm
        Its not a little piece of skin - read up on it. It plays a lot of important functions. Google it. - nm
        You will have to explain - deenibeeni
    - exactly, and the transmission of STD, - x
      - I would say - deenibeeni
  - Then why tonsils, appendix?? - Nola
    - Deenibeeni: This you should know as an MT regarding tonsils! - brook
      - You need to read my posts more carefully. - deenibeeni
        but they look GROSSSSS EWWW - i would never saddle my child with
        Scary - you gotta be kidding - nm
        let's just say that's one more reason i'm proud - to be an American LOL
        I'm only posting this - deenibeeni
        she is just expressing her feelings, do NOT BASH HER FOR THAT.. - x
        oh yea don't forget the smegma smell - guess that's why the French stink
        Now I know who I'm dealing with - deenibeeni
        RIGHT, LMAO...nm - brook
        Nonsense... - MT
        an uncircumcised penis - reminds me of a dog penis
        Right, but with the foreskin ON, they stink even more,...nm - brook
        You must pick gross men in general... - MT
        I am PRO CIRCUMCISION, so I am NOT A STINKY GIRL, YOU ARE! nm - x
        You're funny... - MT
        true - n/m
    - They were removed because they became INFECTED - deenibeeni
      - Brook - you are the one misinformed - nm
        circumcision, yes or no, definitely yes! - x
        "a little pain" - deenibeeni
        deeni, are you perhaps a man who is lamenting the loss of his foreskin?...nm - hmmm
        no, I'm not a man - deenibeeni
        Just let it go, I say yes to circumcision...nm - x
        uh, I say no. - deenibeeni
        Oy Vey, your poor family! What a meshuga...nm - nm
        I had it with you! What's wrong with you!..see message - x
        There is a growing body of evidence - deenibeeni
        Duh, duh ??? - x
        Risks - deenibeeni
        You are CRAZY. end of discussion, you are in your own....nm - brook
        She is DENSE, don't bother any longer. Like talking to a wall... - nm
        What does being Jewish have to do with it? - deenibeeni
        oh? - sadie
        Jews against circumcision - deenibeeni
        It means your family has to put up with you and I feel sorry for them... - sm
        I would bet a lot of money - deenibeeni
        Oh sweetheart, give it a rest already..we know how perfect you are.. - sm
        "sweetheart" and "honey" - deenibeeni
        sweetie, you are still DENSE...you obviously can't read... - sm
        Uh, no - deenibeeni
        yes, deenibeeni, take a hike or fly a hike, toodle-loo/ nm - x
- Child abuse, hardly - Nola
  - smegma - deenibeeni
    - dear deenibeeni..you are misinformed - brook
      - I did NOT mention in my above post - deenibeeni
        dear deenibeeni, tell your 'wisdom' to - x
        Why deenibeeni is so stubborn - deenibeeni
        Agree with you deenibeeni - we've been conditioned to believe that its good - nm
      - Wrong again - deenibeeni
      - AAP does not agree with you - deenibeeni
  - Yup, Nola is very right about the problems of not circumcising, I held my baby - Cyndiee
    - Nola is very wrong - deenibeeni
      - If I were wrong, you should have told the boys that - Nola
        Well, obviously. For heaven's sake. - deenibeeni
        I don�t read the sites you give as I disagree with you - Nola
        that's enlightened of you - deenibeeni
        Beliefs, those do not even play into any of this warped thread - Nola
        That's not everyone's experience... - MT
      - Deeni, I respect your opinion, but I held both my sons during circumcision......sm - Cyndiee
        20-year old personal clinical experience - deenibeeni
        What the heck? - Nola
        You may find this enlightening - if you really want to be enlightened - nm
        you have no way of knowing - deenibeeni
        LMAO, hahahaha! - queens
        You need to read this and with an open mind - nm
        I'm saying - deenibeeni
        nor can you be certain that there is any effect at all. - Kendra
        It's only a teeny weeny piece of skin, for heaven's sake, get real! nm - x
        Thousands of nerve endings insignificant? - nm
        this is just rationalizing - deenibeeni
        What atrocity? - x
        For those who think the foreskin is useless - nm

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