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Actually GP, you said McCain would

Posted By: Stardust on 2008-11-19
In Reply to: Do I need to order up more crow? - gourdpainter

win the election.  You said it so many times that you almost had me convinced and I voted for Obama.  I think your crystal ball needs some fine-tuning before you use it again.


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Why are you McCain people so desperate? You are just like McCain. No plan. Just criticism of the
other candidate.  I guess you want the same old thing we have had for the past 8 years.  God forbid McCain win with that wild woman, Palin.
McCain
Not only will he refuse to get out of Iraq unless there is some sort of clear victory, even if it takes "100 years" or "1000 years" (his words), jokes about how to handle Iran is "Bom, bom, bom, bom, bomb Iran" (to the tune of a Beach Boys song), he also wants to kick Russia out of the G8 and not let China or India in. Way to place nice with the up-and-coming superpowers - I'm sure that will do great things for our country in years to come.

There are certain things I like about him (strict belief in Geneva Convention, willing to work across party lines), but his warmongering side scares the you-know-what out of me.
McCain's age
Whether his military uniform helps his image depends on what kind of world we want to be living in tomorrow, not the one we live in now. A lot of people will be showing up at the polls to say that status quo is not acceptable, especially when it comes to solving problems by waging wars. Concerns over his age, senility and/or Alzheimer’s are legitimate if you do the math. Those possibilities are very real and could just as easily happen early in his term as later. He has shown some early signs like his problems with word retrieval, mispronunciation, confusion, forgetting what he is saying and blank staring spells.

The teleprompter comment is also kind of a cheap shot. Besides that, it is not true, unless you believe everything you hear on Fox or YouTube. He is an excellent orator and delivered very spontaneous and inspiring responses in the town hall meetings during the primaries and in news conferences. YHe is a much better speaker than McCain.

McCain....you mean
I can't believe anyone would vote for him after what Bush just did to us for 8 years.
Well, McCain's gas in his car came from
oil from a country that supports terrorism. McCain a supporter of terrorism? You can interpret this any way you like.
if McCain gets in

that will be the tenor of the New Secretary of State.


 


Why McCain?
http://www.johnmccain.com/Undecided/WhyMcCain.htm
McCain looks

like he hurts.  It makes me uncomfortable to watch.  Obama has a significantly larger amt of data in his mind (constitutional law professor, etc) to sort through, gather, and assemble before he responds to a question.  It is to his favor that he does not immediately yelp out an answer like a trained seal. 


 


Thank you. I think McCain's age ... sm
Is what worries me so much about this situation. I mean, people die at different ages, it's true, but if McCain were 20 years younger, I don't think I'd be quite as worried. But he's 72, has had skin cancer several times, and I read (haven't verified) that both his father and grandfather died suddenly of heart attacks when they were younger than he is now. Now that might not mean anything. After all, isnt' his mother in her 90s? But it just worries me. It would be different if he wanted Palin to have a cabinet position where she could, I don't know, hone her skills, cut her teeth in Washington, so to speak, but to put her is a position of leading our country if something happens to McCain? It just makes me very nervous.
Oh, of course. McCain will get the best...sm
Healthcare. Too bad for the rest of us peons though!

Still, the best healthcare in the U.S. can't turn back time and make him young again. He is really getting up there, and the campaign must be wearing on him. I don't know how any of them can stand all the travel that comes with campaigning.

The New McCain!

The Ugly New McCain



 
Wednesday, September 17, 2008; Page


Following his loss to George W. Bush in the 2000 South Carolina primary, John McCain did something extraordinary: He confessed to lying about how he felt about the Confederate battle flag, which he actually abhorred. "I broke my promise to always tell the truth," McCain said. Now he has broken that promise so completely that the John McCain of old is unrecognizable. He has become the sort of politician he once despised.







The precise moment of McCain's abasement came, would you believe, not at some news conference or on one of the Sunday shows but on "The View," the daytime TV show created by Barbara Walters. Last week, one of the co-hosts, Joy Behar, took McCain to task for some of the ads his campaign has been running. One deliberately mischaracterized what Barack Obama had said about putting lipstick on a pig -- an Americanism that McCain himself has used. The other asserted that Obama supported teaching sex education to kindergarteners.


"We know that those two ads are untrue," Behar said. "They are lies."



 

Freeze. Close in on McCain. This was the moment. He has largely been avoiding the press. The Straight Talk Express is now just a brand, an ad slogan like "Home Cooking" or "We Will Not Be Undersold." Until then, it was possible for McCain to say that he had not really known about the ads, that the formulation "I approve this message" was just boilerplate. But he didn't.


"Actually, they are not lies," he said.


Actually, they are.


McCain has turned ugly. His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains -- his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that's all -- but just as honorably. No more, though.


I am one of the journalists accused over the years of being in the tank for McCain. Guilty. Those doing the accusing usually attributed my feelings to McCain being accessible. This is the journalist-as-puppy school of thought: Give us a treat, and we will leap into a politician's lap.


Not so. What impressed me most about McCain was the effect he had on his audiences, particularly young people. When he talked about service to a cause greater than oneself, he struck a chord. He expressed his message in words, but he packaged it in the McCain story -- that man, beaten to a pulp, who chose honor over freedom. This had nothing to do with access. It had to do with integrity.


McCain has soiled all that. His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir -- the person in whose hands he would leave the country -- is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that. He means to win, which is all right; he means to win at all costs, which is not.


At a forum last week at Columbia University, McCain said, "But right now we have to restore trust and confidence in government." This was always the promise of John McCain, the single best reason to vote for him. America has been cheated on too many times -- the lies of Vietnam and Watergate and Iraq. So many lies. Who believes that in Afghanistan last month, only five civilians were killed by the American military in an airstrike, instead of the approximately 90 claimed by the Afghan government? Not me. I first gave up on the military during Vietnam and then again when it covered up the death of Pat Tillman, the Army Ranger and former NFL player who was killed in 2004 by friendly fire.


McCain was going to fix all that. He was going to look the American people in the eyes and say, not me. I will not lie to you. I am John McCain, son and grandson of admirals. I tell the truth.


But Joy Behar knew better. And so McCain lied about his lying and maybe thinks that if he wins the election, he can -- as he did in South Carolina -- renounce who he was and what he did and resume his old persona. It won't work. Karl Marx got one thing right -- what he said about history repeating itself. Once is tragedy, a second time is farce. John McCain is both.


cohenr@washpost.com


or like when McCain said . . .
Obama called her a pig and then on Monday said he didn't
it has to do with McCain and

Bush systematically deregulating  (savings and loans - Keating 5) and wall street so that the souless corporations can do whatever they want without any limits.  they have removed the safety factors built into the system after the great depression. Well, now we have the situation that deregulation brings.  As Romney said at this years' repub convention - McCain is going to go at all the regulations on industry with a weed wacker. 


 


McCain
Respecting his service to his country is one thing.  He is only one of thousands who have done the same thing. or worse, died for their country, and are just as deserving of being honored as McCain.  Trusting him to lead this country is another thing entirely.
Seeing as McCain may not . . .
live out his term, she is running for the top spot.
Does McCain even know what he is saying.

Maybe he had better hit the beach with the flip-flops.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI&feature=PlayList&p=2F671A7FEF92B36B&index=3


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK_9sI7hzAc&feature=PlayList&p=2F671A7FEF92B36B&index=10


 


 


He said, he said. I believe what McCain said,
you believe what Obama said. McCain said he told Obama he was going to suspend his campaign and when Obama spoke just now he stated the same thing, only says "I didn't know he meant it now" or some such. I don't buy that. He just didn't think McCain was serious. Turns out he was.
Can any McCain fan or Rep. tell me why
McCain has supported legislation to give tax breaks to companies that outsource jobs?  I'm asking because I don't know.  I figured you guys have read a lot of his stuff and thought you might know off the top of your head.  I could always try to find it but am finding myself lazy tonight  and thought someone might be in the know without having to Google it.
And you think McCain is going to do any better?

What a mess! 


Oh and saw on the news that this bailout will affect even the people who do live within their means because it means that the Jones' house that gets foreclosed on will reduce the amount my house is worth and therefore I lose too!  Something needs to be done and quick! 


It is not fair to simply point out Obama's plans when you do not mention McCain's either.  What are McCain's plans?  All he seems to do is "knock" Obama.  Oh better consider what Palin has to say too, you know McCain is getting no younger or any healthier for that matter.


McCain

Someone with character....hmm.  You best not vote then. 


McCain

Typo in my name.  Still feel the same way though!  


McCain Ex
Oh, yes, I read what you quoted from the article.  My question is, do you believe EVERYTHING you read?  Might be a good idea to apply some common sense.  I know a lot of ex-wives who had husbands who kicked them to the curb and not ONE of them would speak in such kind and loving terms about the ex 'who dun 'em wrong."  I'm not an ex-wife (widowed) but I can guarantee you that if my husband left me for another woman for ANY reason, he would regret the day he was born. I doubt I'm much different from any other woman.
I don't believe McCain is
trustworthy either, old-timer.
McCain that is nm
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McCain
McCain seems to be nothing more than the leader of an angry mob.  He and Palin have done nothing constructive for us in this campaign other than incite people's anger.  Something bad is going to happen because of the rehoretic that they are supporting from their base.  I think that they should be very put off by some of the comments that their crowds are shouting and I am ashamed that more of the public is not angered by it.
McCain
I felt some respect for McCain when I saw a few minutes ago an elderly woman questioning him about Obama and he said "he is a decent man, a family man."  The lady asked about him being a "terrorist" and McCain said, "No, No m'am, he's not."  He walked away looking liike an old, defeated man.  I even felt some sympathy for him.  So all this terrorist stuff was obviously a lie, donchaallthink?
What does McCain have to do with this?
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McCain
He was constantly scribbling things on papers, shuffling them around.
He never looked into the camera, addressing also the viewers. Obama did.
Gee, then I must be as bad as McCain for

I was rolling my eyes, grimacing, and ready to blow my top at some of the things the O stated. I also giggled and laughed at some of his outrageous plans.


It's McCain for me. No way do I want to live under the O's vision of "change the world".


Oh, hey! I take that back!!! If O becomes President, I think hubby and I will quit working as then we can have everything handed to us, too. Yeah. That's it! We'll just quit and let the rich people take care of us. Hubby has been working since he was 8, I started when I was 14, and I'm talking 46 years of hard work to get where we are now.  


 


Not according to McCain
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10786968

"The use of campaign funds for items which most Americans would consider to be strictly personal reasons, in my view, erodes public confidence and erodes it significantly," he said on the Senate floor in May 1993.

Her's another:
The 2002 campaign finance law that bears McCain's name specifically barred any funds that "are donated for the purpose of supporting the activities of a federal or state office holder" from being used for personal expenses INCLUDING CLOTHING.

McCain
Gee, did you choose YOUR middle name?
A-AGAINST McCain
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McCAIN ALL THE WAY!!!
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McCain
*
McCain

And you can't hide your health insurance.


If McCain is elected, for the first time in American history, health insurance benefits will be taxed, and the insurance companies will be the next "Wall Street" fiasco.


go mccain!!! - NM
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Just because Mccain said it
doesn't mean that we all suddenly go "oh okay, he's not."

He may not be a socialist, but he sure does have socialistic tendencies.

If it walks like a socialist and talks like a socialist, it's probably a socialist!
Do you think JTP should sue McCain for
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And I'm sure when McCain
takes office, Schwartzenegger will get his bail out for the state he ran to ground even if he DOES believe abortion is okay. Wonder how much McCain is paying Hank to grin and nod????  I'm so disgusted with that he can not count me among his fans ever again.
According to McCain (sm)

I'm not sure, but I think it's supposed to be 3 mil or less..


I must be in the underclass.


well McCain is probably
a bigger better person than most of us would be. I mean really, being in the horrible conditions he was a POW, tortured, starved, etc, he REFUSED to go home when told he could, because military protocol says first-in, first-out and he wouldn't let the fact that his father was an Admiral save him from the pain. How many anybodies would do that??? and knowing that it would be way worse on him for refusing to go as well. Now that is character, grit and integrity all rolled into one. So again, he would use his experience wisely i am very sure, and not with any vendetta.
McCain

1.  He loves this country and has proven so.


2.  He has fought for this country and did the right thing when nobody was looking.


3.  He is a moderate republican and does not hesitate to cross the aisle with issues.


4.  I trust him unequivocally and believe he will do his best to serve his country.


5.  I believe he will place great Americans in his cabinet. 


6.  I think spending less is important now with the crisis in our midst and I feel that his deduction increases will help me and my family tremendously.


7.  I believe he will keep our country safe. 


McCain
No need to keep repeating the same reasons. They do not change like Obama's campaign does.


MCCAIN!!

Thank you - Go McCain (nm)
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McCain is too old, especially with SP as VP. sm

The man is exhausted.  You can hear it in his voice.  I think that with everything that is happening in the world he will not have the energy to do what needs to be done right now and follow through with his promises. 


I do not buy ANY of the partisan retoric that I hear.  I believe NONE of the negative ads, NONE of the smear tactics from either side.  I believe both are patriotic Americans and just have a different ideology. 


With McCain being old, SP as a VP, and looking like more of the same Bush policies, I think it is time to give someone new a chance.  Our government has many checks and balances.  There is no reason to fear people.  If things don't go to our satisfaction, we can vote him out in four years!  You all act like a vote for Obama is a vote for a dictator and that will be the end of us all.  Come on!  Give the guy a chance.  You never know, after eight years, you might not want him to leave!


Vote for McCain if you think that is what is right, but don't fear what will happen when and if Obama is elected, and please realize that this is a political campaign and lies are abound.  Do not believe everything you hear that fits your little narrrow niche.  Expand your mind and realize what could be. 


Lastly, I remember that John F. Kennedy said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".  I heard him say it.  Our country is not our government, our country is our people.  I was uplifted by JFK way back then and get the same uplifted feeling now.  I am voting for Obama.


 


 


I think McCain would have done better...
with a more "middle-of-the-road" pick.  McCain himself I think is a pretty standup guy.  I don't agree with a lot of decisions he makes, but I really do think he has the country's best interest at heart.  The problems he had were 1) he's just not a good speaker.  2) the economy.  3) Bush.  4) Two wars.  5) Sarah Palin.  Considering the odds, he really didn't do that bad. 
McCain isn't the only one...(sm)

I don't think the pubs paid attention in history class.  What they don't realize is that the govt of Iran has been "instilled" for years by someone other than Iranian people.  We did it in the 50s, and Britian did it before then.  Before these guys (pubs) go any further with their righteous little dance of condemning the Iranian govt, they need to find out if the people of Iran actually want their help (and that would more than likely be a big NO).


As your post demonstrates, this is what Obama didn't want to do....that is, give the Iranian govt any kind of leverage.  I guess the party of NO is just going to do anything to go against Obama, regardless of the cost.  I just hope they don't blow this as there is a very good chance that the people of Iran (particularly without our help) could get a huge regime change, including the supreme leader, and that is what we really need to happen to be able to talk to them about nukes.


What I think is really amazing is that McCain is actually speaking out about this like he's all upset.  Isn't he the one who sang the "bomb, bomb Iran song?"  What....all the sudden he's had a change of heart?  Unreal.


McCain sinking
in polls. That's what happens when you still make deals with a a bad guy who had spread rumors about your family in the primaries.
I know it, if it comes up between clinton and McCain I just
i don't know which one would truly be worse.
if they don't team up McCain will win
bummer.