All very good points. But the proof is in the pudding....
Posted By: sam on 2008-11-05
In Reply to: You got that right... - sm
it is up to HIM to change our minds and prove us wrong, and for the good of the country, I hope he is able to. Sincerely.
Take heart tho...they did not get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate like they hoped, so if the Republicans will grow a backbone and stand up to them...he will be limited somewhat in what he can do. Especially in the case of SUpreme Court justices. I hope they step up (the Republicans). They have to earn my respect TOO.
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The proof is in the pudding - and there is no proof......no WMDs....nm
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Good points.
I keep hoping that Krazy Katherine (Harris) will begin to spill her guts about it all since the Bushes have turned their backs on her, after she saw to it that he took Florida. She's probably waiting for her payback and isn't getting it from them.
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Here here - very good points.
I didn't catch the whole interview (just a question here and there) but I did hear him ask her about the Bush doctrine. I looked at DH and asked him "what part of it is he asking about". She had the perfect right to ask him to clarify. It was definitely a set up (or tried to be a set up). Overall I think she gave a good interview given they were trying to bait and trap her. Luckily it didn't work and she came out looking better. Maybe what they should do is get some people from other countries who have no vested interest in who gets picked to interview and be the moderators during debates because it's obvious that it doesn't matter what network you work for, if you want one candidate to win over the other your going to be condescending to the other. Boy do I miss Tim Russert.
BTW - With all that has been thrown at her from the media and the liberal sacs she sure can take care of herself. Makes me realized what a strong VP she will make.
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Good points
From what I understand the Obamas did look at the public school system in DC. Unfortunately, it's not terrific. Don't blame the feds - blame the people who insisted on election Marion Barry ad nauseum to one position of power or another in that city.
Picture yourself as a parent of a public school child. Now picture yourself as that same parent, yet your child has to go through metal detectors and screening and more every time they want to go to class because the President's kids go to school with you. Now picture yourself as that same parent because there is a kidnapping threat or death threat to those same kids of the president.
The Obamas made the only choice that was viable for their children and for other children who will be going to school with them. Public schools are not set up for the type of security that POTUS' kids need.
And let's be realistic. This POTUS needs a helluva lot more security than others did. I love the guy and I voted for him, but I'm not blind to the security issues that are faced with him being POTUS.
Good points
That was what I kept thinking but didn't know how to word it. Every station has the news on, and then they have shows where people give their opinions/comments, but when people on this board will call it Foux New or Fixed News (or whatever) - I think Geez, these are the same exact news stories, film clips that I'm seeing on MSNBC and CNN when they are doing their news segments. So why is it okay if it's on their stations but the same exact news story on Fox is not credible? Unfortunately though I think your last sentance said it all "you don't let them form your opinions". Unfortunately I think a lot of liberals do let Olbermann and Matthews and the likes form their opinion. I know this because I listen to my family and also because I used to be a huge Olberman and Matthews fan (until I saw the crap they were pulling during the campaign trail and how little respect they gave for the republican side ridiculing them. I would think, well that's not fair because they are not critizing Hillary or Obama. Then my friend said listen to other stations and see what they have to say then form your own opinion once you hear both sides. Otherwise your just being brainwashing.
Good points - thanks for the reminder
Sometimes I need to be brought back to earth here.
I do think being pro-life and being against abortion are two different things. I don't think McCain cares anything about the life of "adults" and will send anyone to their death in a heartbeat to fuel the war he wants to continue.
You are absolutely 100% correct on not laying the whole war thing on the republicans. Largely the democrats voted for it (not all but a good number of them - including Hillary). However, with that said we have Mr. Cheney - need I say more. I used to like him until I started reading more about him and his role in the decisions that go on. Bush is an imbic!le, hence Cheney is really the decision maker. Bush is just a puppet and Mr. Cheney is the puppet master.
On a different note - this morning I was listing to a show and have heard now that it's pretty obvious that at the convention Barack will announce his running mate is going to be Hillary. If that happens, no matter how much I dislike McCain I WILL be voting for McCain. I will do anything I have to to keep her far away from the white house. I just wish McCain would stop saying "my freinds" every 5 minutes in his speeches. It's very condescending and irritating as all get out. One time we listened to his speech that ran aproximately 5 minutes in which he said "my friends" about 18 or so times. It's like everytime he starts a new sentance he begins with "My friends".
As for the nurse in the video...she should be thrown in jail for acting immoral and aiding in the death of an infant(s). I'm against abortions. First, there are too many childless families in America who are desperate at any chance to have a child. No reason to murder the innocent child. But partial birth abortions...I really started hearing about that when Clinton was president and he signed whatever it was approving this. It's totally disgusting and nauseating and anyone who is doing or or agreeing to have it done should be aborted themselves!!!! They can justify it any way they want to - it is still murder and dispicable! It really saddens me to think people actually think this is okay. But when they go down that road they are not human beings anymore - they are sub-human.
you make some good points; however,
for people so very skeptical of the 'black man' how is it you immediately on a dime trust this woman and you nor any of us know who she really is. You have NO idea about her and you defend her like she is your own family. It is kind of weird...
From our point of view, and by that I mean undecided about who to vote for, we are not that trusting after being burned 8 years ago...
Good point. I see no problem with both points of view being taught...
and letting indivdiuals decide. Isn't that what America is about?
Really, really good points, just shows how complicated it all is! provocative thoughtful post, than
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Proof, my dear, proof. s/m
Give me one shred of evidence that Obama is planning to "steal" from one hand to give to another. If you have heard HIM say that, then tell me where I can find it. If not, may I suggest a hearing check-up?
Proof
I have seen pictures on all the cable news stations of the women in their Birkas and the Taliban striding by with their AK47s. The stories go The Taliban is back, stronger and more organized than ever. The president of Afghanistan is resigning one term was enough. The opium trade has done better this year than any year previously. I pick this stuff up everywhere, TV, radio, magazines...
As for Lamont, do I think his win means everything will change? Of course not. What it meant and what it emphasized was the presence and strength of grassroots organizations, blogs. For some of us this is the only power we have. For some people they can vote in every election and their vote will never count. If you are in a definite, forever and ever amen red or blue state, if you are the opposite color your vote will not count ever. Your states votes will go to the same party it has always gone to. The Lamont win gives us some hope that we the people can vote again and have it count, not to mention just be counted...but that is another story. Secondly it put the spotlight on the fact that people are really sick of this war and the incompetent way it has been handled. The war will be a big issue in 2008.
Rabid hatred of Bush...I feel nothing towards Bush at all. He is a benign, hapless puppet. He pretty much does what he is told by his handlers. Now, Rove, Cheney...there are 2 fat bald guys I really dislike.
But where is the proof? sm
Where is the proof that a Republican president raped anyone? The fact is, I never heard those stories. The burden of proof is on the person making he accusations.
Once again...proof that no one
wishes to make an actual list just to see how very little experience Obama has. So just keep spatting about Palin and ignoring the fact that Obama has less experience. Such denial.
Here is the proof...........sm
Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:
* Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.
* Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
* Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
* Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/
"I think we're going to need a second stimulus. Part of my commitment is to make sure that the stimulus includes a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans. It may be the first bill I introduce."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/31/obama.blitzer/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
the Tax Foundation estimates that there will be 47 million tax returns with zero income tax liability in 2009 under current law. That's one-third of all tax returns, and those 47 million tax returns represent 96 million individuals.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23631.html
So here we have roughly 1/3 of all tax returns with zero tax liability and Obama's own words saying that he will give 95% of working Americans a tax cut. Sounds to me like folks paying no income tax will get a tax refund. Satisfied?
you can look up the proof yourself - its there
you just don't want to because you agree with them.
Facts are facts.
And yes, I am too busy to do your research.
WHAT proof do you have, that this what you are
saying is REALLY the truth and that it will really be like that?
HOW do you REALLY know that YOUR religion is the ONLY right one?
Please explain to me!
WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE !
I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
And you don't have any proof he isn't
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And you don't have any proof otherwise
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You have no proof that this is a rumor!
Hoping something is not true doesn't make it so! Did you see the pictures? Her daughter looked much more pregnant that Palin did!
Please cite your proof........
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i saw that too. she is living proof
that a fetus is more than a glob of cells.
Petition as FBI and CIA still does not have proof.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/
Proof that FM/FM regulation was
tried as far back as 2001.
Sorry if this is old news, but my cousin just emailed me this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related
Then I took it further:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYz1rbB5V1s&NR=1
Ok, so do you have proof that it is not true?
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What proof do you have that YOUR religion, whatever
it is, is THE TRUE ONE?
Of course I don't have any proof. I'm not peeping in his windows..sm
trying to see if he's going to drink or not. You have no proof that he doesn't drink. This is all speculation.
This is a bunch of bunk. If you think discussing the wrong doing of one person holds no water because other people are doing or have done it too, then I'll just have to agree to disagree. That's like saying, it's OK because the Clinton's and Kennedy's did it. Again, whatever gets you through.
I think the discussion we need to be having is that the media needs to get out of these people's personal lives.
With liberals it's not the proof behind the accusation
it's the seriousness of the charge....
I'd like to see proof that more impoverished people are fat...sm
than middle and upper classes. Though I wouldn't count it out. It's not a secret that the most unhealthy foods are definitely the cheapest foods to buy.
This coment is living proof - nm
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Proof? Or is that not important to Dems?
Palin has never said word ONE about 'witchcraft.'
What you bitterly cling to is a YouTube video of Palin standing before her church's congregation for a blessing. (We whacky Christians do that stuff all the time, kuz, y'know, it works and stuff.) A VISITING minister from Africa (y'know, where Obama's father is from?) has CULTURAL beliefs which differ from western culture and in asking for God's blessing and protection he incorporated that word from his CULTURE.
Are you condemning Palin for what some visiting minister from Africa said? Or are you just condemning his CULTURE? Is that what you're using to try and whip up a frenzy about your cause celeb? So, so sad.
Can we say "Deliver us from evil?" (Lord's prayer since you probably aren't aware of that quote.) Would THAT be okay with you?
I say again, I worry about your fanatical obsession with the already disproven subject. Maybe there's a Salem 12-Step program or something. :)
Let's count how many more times you can throw out your 'lookie-lookie-guys-WITCHCRAFT' post before election day. Maybe you'll sway one person into voting for your candidate. Probably not, but there's no law against beating a dead horse I suppose.
There is no proof. Birth certificate has been
The only proof you have is that you have no legitimate campaign strategy and your candidate's campaign is going down in flames over this relentless stupidity.
You have all the truth there is. Needing proof
Obsessing over an internet myth....fanatic. Bankrolling lawsuits to nowhere....fanatic. Believing in fairy-tale usurpaton of unwanted election results....fanatic.
I guess you have absolute proof.......sm
of all these accusations?
Laying that aside, conservatives have just as much right to voice their opinions without being referred to as "certifiable loons" as do liberals. Come back in a couple of years and let's talk about how your paycheck is looking and how hard it is to make ends meet in the Obama economy. I have a feeling there will be a lot of disillusioned folks.
your statement/sarcasm is proof women have NOT
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Just proof that Obama really isn't out for the middle class.
He just wants our vote and he figured this would be the way to get it. To promise to not tax us middle class folks. I don't believe he intends to keep his promise. He may at first but the bottom line is that all the government spending of his and the 3 trillion dollars he plans to spend....where he is going to get that money? He is going to get it from us and that includes the middle class.
All the companies who get tax hikes will pass that tax onto us as well by jacking up prices of products and services so we the consumers pay for that tax hike. Then Obama will have to raise taxes on the middle class as well to cover his government spending. It is common sense people. Look at his record. He has consistently wanted to raise taxes and that includes on us middle class folks he is all of sudden so interested in helping out since he is up for election. Give me a break. I see through the lies and false promises. That isn't change. That is Washington elitists at their norm.
Ah no, burden of proof is on Obama to prove his
is supposed to be with any immigrant wanting to come into this country. What part of that do you not understand? Of course, I realize most "illegals" aren't proving anything now days and BTW, I can understand their love for him, seeing how O wants to give all "illegals" a drivers license.
Like I said, what a sellout he is.
Proof it...just empty words by frustrated MTs..nm
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I don't tihnk a BC proof of citizenship is stupid.
Let the "stupid crap" go on until it is cleared up. I'm sick of hearing it, too, but I'll be dang if I want someone who is not a citizen to run our country. I want to know the truth and, so far, that truth isn't there. Too much secrecy (sp?) to warm my toes. It opens a whole 'nother can of worms if he is not a citizen, yet becomes president anyway.
It would mean a constitutional rule struck down and, (I shudder to think of this) even terrorists could run our country if they so desire and could pay off people who's vote count. Gee, do you want Chevez or Putnin to run our country? How about Ayers or Wright?
I'm just pointing out a few things here. There's too many question as why this was not resolved and why, all of a sudden, his records in Hawaii were sealed or whatever, after he went to "visit his sick grandmother."
Truth is all I want and I don't have it yet. But I will let the SC decide (if they weren't bribed) and then, I will embrace the O as a president until he screws up which, eventually, he will. He's coming off as "too perfect". There is no one "perfect" in my eyes.
Show me proof that it didn't work......
Maybe you just got your history lesson from Faux Noise. The New Deal DID work until the Republicans pressured FDR into instituting tax cuts - then we went into a recession - after that World War II pulled us out of that. It sure doesn't look like Ws wars have helped our financial situation.......perhaps that's because he told us all to SHOP till we DROP instead of asking Americans to sacrifice like FDR did.........but. WWII wasn't based on lies, either......
Asked for proof, suddenly she's too busy. LOL. Figures. nm
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Uhhh. BTDT. What part of burden of proof is on the prosecution
Give it up. Ain't happenin'.
a few points
I couldn't find the Russert quote because you misquoted. I believe both Cheney and Russert changed their positions since this interview.....
As far as the "747" you mention -- I couldn't find it because it was actually a "707" and here is another opinion on its significance:
"a former C.I.A. station chief and a former military intelligence analyst said that the camp near Salman Pak had been built not for terrorism training but for counter-terrorism training. In the mid-eighties, Islamic terrorists were routinely hijacking aircraft. In 1986, an Iraqi airliner was seized by pro-Iranian extremists and crashed, after a hand grenade was triggered, killing at least sixty-five people. (At the time, Iran and Iraq were at war, and America favored Iraq.) Iraq then sought assistance from the West, and got what it wanted from Britain’s MI6. The C.I.A. offered similar training in counter-terrorism throughout the Middle East. “We were helping our allies everywhere we had a liaison,” the former station chief told me. Inspectors recalled seeing the body of an airplane—which appeared to be used for counter-terrorism training—when they visited a biological-weapons facility near Salman Pak in 1991, ten years before September 11th. It is, of course, possible for such a camp to be converted from one purpose to another. The former C.I.A. official noted, however, that terrorists would not practice on airplanes in the open. “That’s Hollywood rinky-dink stuff,” the former agent said. “They train in basements. You don’t need a real airplane to practice hijacking. The 9/11 terrorists went to gyms. But to take one back you have to practice on the real thing.”
Salman Pak was overrun by American troops on April 6th. Apparently, neither the camp nor the former biological facility has yielded evidence to substantiate the claims made before the war."
two points
Here we go with the celebrity subject again. Also I don't want the Spears family used as a standard against which to select our national leaders.
No points for you or
And you know this how? Gibson was repeating his questions because he was expecting to hear a little more than what she gave. He did not ask her about the general function of NATO. The NATO question was within the context of Georgia. As I explained in the last post, any US foreign policy toward Georgia is an extremely tricky proposition, whether it is a member of NATO (not any time soon) or not, given global relationships between the US and Russia, US and Eastern European nations and the dynamics between Europe and it's relation to former Eastern bloc countries in terms of their recognition by NATO, which historically is a precursor to inclusion within the European Union.
Georgia's entry into NATO is not a foregone conclusion, especially in view of its recent aggression in South Ossetia. This was no trick question for Palin. The South Ossetia episode is quite recent and the answer to this question should have reflected some sort of awareness of that conflict, the nature of which remains in question in terms of who started the aggression. That episode has complicated Georgia's NATO aspirations. An informed candidate would have naturally expressed that within the context of the question.
In addition, the US has pipeline stuff happening there and there is a direct conflict of interests between the US and Russia in terms of the oil reserves and who is going to exploit them. Why do you think Russia has such interest in Georgia? Another talking point is the fact that US troops are already spread so thin between Iraq and Afganistan. Can we really afford to open a third front? NOT. If Palin really knew anything about any of this, she missed a great opportunity Gibson gave her to "show her stuff." He even gave her the opportunity not once, not twice, but three times…thus the repeated questions. She did not recognize the opportunity and was unable to respond because of her fundamental lack of knowledge on the subject. No point for Palin.
Your contention about the so-called "liberal media" not interviewing Obama about foreign policy is a crock. Maybe in Fox Land. Do you not recall the little overseas trip he made earlier in the summer? There was a whole blitz of interviews, both televised and in print media, in the days leading up to that trip. Fareed Zakaria had a one-hour interview Obama on July 13 on CNN during the GPS program he hosts every Sunday. This link will take you there where you can see the photo and content of the interview.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/13/zakaria.obama/
He was interviewed on Face the Nation. Here's the link.
http://bourbonroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/07/20/obama-never-has-doubts-about-foreign-policy-experience/
Here's a link to the CSPAN interview:
http://econ4obama.blogspot.com/2007/12/interview-with-obama-foreign-policy.html
Here's a link to the NY Times interview:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html
Here's a more recent one:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26612909/
O'reilly questioned him on foreign policy:
http://utube.smashits.com/video/HuXKyXKu0dM/O-Reilly-questions-Obama-on-foreign-policy.html
I could go on, but I think you get the idea.
Obama has foreign policy experience. He is a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. In this capacity, he has made numerous trips to many countries. Read about this here under the 109th and 110th Congress sections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_career_of_Barack_Obama#Initial_work
He has been asked about his experience as you can see in the transcripts from the links provided above. Furthermore, he has a number of ideas and strategies that were also discussed. These types of interviews will be the ones that the pub party will shield Palin from, but that will not save her from the foreign policy segments that lay ahead of her against Joe Biden (can't WAIT for that one!) in the VP debates. Your comment about video, as usual, is taken out of context and your contention is debunked by the content of the above links. No point for you either. Palin is a pipsqueak on foreign policy and no amount of spin from you or from her party is going to be able to save her from herself.
Your points are all well taken.......sm
I don't really know that there is a "bigger picture," however, in terms of one situation being worse than the other. If we proceed with the bailout, will that be the end of it? Who will be at Capitol Hill next holding out their hat? The construction companies? The grocery store chains? The shipping industry? The logging industry? Where is the money going to come from? China is pretty much tired of our useless dollar. Maybe Russia or North Korea will come to our aid. Or perhaps, those of us who are working will be taxed to the point of not being able to feed and provide for our families and decide "what's the point in working?" and just get in line with everyone else and then the government can bail us out, too.
My point is that, either way, this is going to hurt our economy....not hurt, probably crucify. If government would stay out of the free enterprise system, it would eventually right itself. If we bail out the big 3 this time, how long before they will crash and burn for good? And then what? Just go to the Xerox and print up some dollars, because that's about what our dollar is worth these days?
America has fallen down, and there is no one to help her get back up again.
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