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And so helping them means just giving them a check and food stamps? SM

Posted By: Lu on 2009-01-12
In Reply to: handicapped and mentally ill - sm

What about providing them the tools to deal with and live a productive life with their handicap or mental illness?  The problem with the liberals and their idea of helping humanity is that throwing money at the problem doesn't make it go away.  Do you know how many homeless people out there suffer with mental illness?  Do you know how many people with mentally ill family members weren't able to get their loved one the help they needed?  I'm talking tangible help, not just a monthly stipend that doesn't even cover the meds they require!


Do you realize that your husband, mother, father, sister brother, who ever can slice their wrists and take a handful of pills in an attempt to commit suicide, admit to their family they don't want to live, but when they show up to the ER and say "I didn't really want to kill myself" they just let them walk away with stitches in their wrists and after they've pumped their stomachs?  Did you know that even if they holler in the ER to the doctor, nurse, and social worker that they don't want to live and the most a family member can do to help their loved is an affadavit for a 96-hour hold in most states?  After 96 hours, they are deemed "okay" and released again to go on their merry way.


The liberal lawmakers have passed laws that say a mentally ill person has the right to be mentally ill.  They have a right to decide not to take their meds and they have a right to be homeless.  They are allowed to make decisions on their own which are detrimental to their well being, both physically and mentally!  A family member pleading to the court that this person is incompetent and cannot take themselves is virtually ignored.  I dare anyone to try to go to a court of law and get POA over a mentally ill loved one and see just how difficult it really is.  It's impossible thanks to the liberals.




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Food stamps will HELP the economy?
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Can buy soda with food stamps

I just asked my son's girlfriend who works at a grocery store if you can buy soda with food stamps and she said yes-no wine or beer, no toilet paper, shampoo or other nonedible things and no cigarettes, but soda and candy, chips, yes.


How is it dishonest to qualify for food stamps?
I don't think anybody is getting rich off foodstamps! The whole thing that set me off down below was the post about what people were buying with foodstamps.

I have a cousin who will not work - yes, he is a moocher. I don't condone what he does whatsoever. He gets a grand $110 a month in food stamps. Now tell me how that is really helping anybody? He could make that in half a day as he has his CDLs and can drive a truck for anybody.

Nobody is getting rich taking welfare!

I have a friend who got hurt 2 years ago and cannot work due to the injuries he sustained. Because he brings home 173.00 a week, he does not qualify for foodstamps, or any type of help because of his income. Now how do you support anybody off of that? He cannot afford even to get a project to live in. At $173 a week, his rent was going to be $300.

I cannot see a way to abuse the foodstamp program. It is a program that was designed to help low-income people and obviously people meet those requirements even working as a family!

Medicaid, food stamps, student loans take a hit...sm

House OKs budget bill cutting $50 billion in aid
Medicaid, food stamps, student loans take a hit



Zachary Coile, Chronicle Washington Bureau


Saturday, November 19, 2005


 













Washington -- House Republicans, after weeks of negotiations, narrowly passed a budget bill early Friday to cut $50 billion from Medicaid, food stamps, student loans and other programs over the complaints of Democrats that Congress is squeezing students, the elderly and the poor to pay for tax cuts for the rich.

The House approved the bill 217-215, after GOP leaders agreed to demands from moderate Republicans to jettison a measure to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska and to slightly reduce proposed cuts to food stamps.

Still, the vote was so politically sensitive that House leaders didn't begin debate until 10 p.m. Thursday and didn't pass the measure until nearly 2 a.m. -- when most news reporters gone and only a few C-SPAN junkies could witness the fiery floor action. No Democrats voted for the bill, and 14 Republicans opposed it.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco said in a floor speech that cutting money for Medicaid, child support enforcement and foster care as the House prepares to vote on $70 billion in tax cuts was a sin.

Republicans are launching an attack on America's children, on America's families, Pelosi said. They are also launching an attack on America's middle class, all of this to give tax cuts to the wealthiest people in our country.

But House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., responded that the proposed cuts were needed to rein in the growth of federal spending on health care and other programs.

Medicaid is growing at a 7.3 percent growth rate per year, Hastert said. It has been growing for years. Is there a better way to do it? Is there a more efficient way to do it? Should we find some reforms to make it better? Yes, we should.

The House bill also would split the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, a goal of conservatives who have long complained the court is too liberal. But the breakup of the appellate court, which covers the country's Western region including federal cases that arise in California, is not part of the Senate budget bill. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and senior members of the Senate Judiciary Committee are seeking to strip it from the final package.

The battle over the budget reconciliation bill now moves to a joint House-Senate conference committee, where lawmakers will have to make several critical decisions, including:

-- Will the final budget bill allow oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge?

The Senate version would allow drilling, but a group of House Republican moderates has pledged to oppose any final bill that would open the Alaskan wildlife refuge for development.

-- How deeply will lawmakers cut student loans?

The House bill would cut student loan programs by $14.3 billion, while the Senate version cuts them by $8.8 billion. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated the House bill would cause a typical college student with the average of $17,000 in student loans to pay an additional $5,800 in interest and fees over the length of the loans.

-- Will some legal immigrants lose their food stamps?

The House bill would cut off 220,000 people from food stamps by allowing legal immigrants to qualify for the food aid after seven years, instead of the current five years. The Senate bill does not cut food stamps, and moderate lawmakers are urging that it be dropped from the final budget package.

-- How will the cuts affect Medicaid recipients?

The House bill calls for $11.4 billion in cuts to Medicaid, while the Senate bill trims spending by only $4.3 billion. The House bill also would allow co-payments to rise over time with inflation and would deny Medicaid nursing home benefits to people with $750,000 in home equity.

-- Will child support enforcement be cut?

The House bill would slash funding for child support enforcement by $4.9 billion. The Senate did not include any cuts to child support enforcement.

-- Will Medicare be cut?

The Senate voted to eliminate $5.4 billion in subsidies for some regional insurance companies that agreed to participate in President Bush's Medicare prescription drug program. The House bill does not cut the subsidies.

Congress watchers expect that lawmakers are likely to split the difference between the House's $50 billion in cuts over five years and the Senate's $35 billion in trims. But the negotiations will be difficult for GOP leaders. Conservatives, especially in the House, have been pushing for deeper cuts. Republican moderates plan to lobby to restore funding for some programs.

House Republicans argue the heated rhetoric over the budget bill's effects is overblown because many cuts are simply limiting the growth rate of certain federal programs. For example, the proposed cuts to Medicaid would lower the annual growth rate in spending on the program from 7.3 percent to 7 percent.

But Democrats complained the cuts hit the wrong targets, including students struggling to pay for college. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the bill would increase costs to students and families by $8 billion, including nearly $5.5 billion in costs when students consolidate loans.

You're hurting the students of this nation, Rep. George Miller, D-Martinez, told Republicans in an angry floor speech. You're putting their families in debt. You're piling on the interest rates. You ought to be ashamed of it.

E-mail Zachary Coile at zcoile@sfchronicle.com.


Yeah, spend more taxpayer money on food stamps.
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Food pantries are running out of food, charity

donations are way down.


In this situation, people can't help other people if they can't help themselves.


Palin, the candidate that just keeps giving and giving...
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You have to check and double check every single thing they say. They're not capable of telling t
truth about anything.  It's getting very boring and tedious to read their crap.  Why won't they stay on their own board like they tell us to do?
I don't think he's helping his own cause
From what I saw, he just comes across as a weasel. I'm not sure what he hopes to accomplish.
you are the ones helping the terrorists
It is Bush and you and people who think like you who have put us at risk.  We now have a full fledged terrorist state/breeding ground in Iraq because of Bush's war..That has put us at great risk for decades to come.  Before Bush invaded, we had a few radicals that if we kept our focus we could have hunted down in Afghanistan and eliminated.  Instead Bush invaded Iraq for no go reason other than to have a presence in the Middle East for control of the Middle East.  Where is bin Laden?  Why are we fighting in Iraq?  Why are we there?  The real murderer is somewhere in Afghanistan or Pakistan.  Yet, you people continue to back this war when there is no logical good reason to have entered into it or to stay there.  You and your man Bush are helping the terrorists, you have given them every reason to continue to multiply and hate us even more.  You are throwing oil on fire.  I want to put out the fire.
Thank you attorneys for helping the little guy
Thank you attorneys who deal with helping the little guy against enormous corporations and their deceit and corruption in America and those in government who allow it.  Thank you and may you grow and prosper in helping us find justice.  
I'm glad someone is helping.
Shame on this administration!
The idea of helping

lower income families really is a neighborly idea.  We should help others.  However, we need to look at the big picture here.  When you continually give free handouts at the expense of others, not only do you make the people actually earning the money bitter, but you create a whole new problem with people expecting the government to bail them out and give them free handouts.  Yes, it may help some people but on the whole it will only create more government spending because more people will become dependent on the goverment taking care of them.  It is like a huge snowball rolling down a mountain and it just gets bigger and bigger and faster and faster until it buries us all.  We cannot afford more government programs.  We cannot afford to pay for health care for everyone. 


People are so blinded by the slogan of change that they will jump on any bandwagon.  Open your eyes!  The last thing we need right now is bigger government.  Bigger government will only cause more government spending and our country will fail horribly!


by helping your children
actual CHOICE about where your money is going. What about all the people out there who have no back bone and just want something for nothing?
yes, thank you, everyone is praying for me and it is really helping....nm
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Yep those mean conservatives are over there helping Israel

Yep, they'll be back when all the Lebanese are dead, because all us conservatives are evil like that.    



i don't mind working and helping out others
but would prefer to choose who I help... not the government telling me
So your idea of helping the less fortunate is
to give them freebies all their life so they don't have to do anything to earn it, thereby encouraging them to do nothing else, have no motivation, and just depend on the government? I think we have enough of those as it is.

Too bad I don't hear Obama saying get yourselves up, get yourself educated, and go make a life for yourselves!!!

Proof to me he likes to keep them dumb and uneducated so he can be "their leader".
Thank you for helping illustrate just how impotent
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Don't worry - he's for helping us poor MTs
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Trust me, you aren't helping yourself here..(sm)
All you are doing is putting a big bulls eye on your back.
None. Bush gave him the job for helping out in campaign (sm)
Guess he figured anybody could fill the spot. I believe there might be other top officials of FEMA who also got jobs instead of thank you notes for helping Bush be reelected.

Around the time of the campaign, a document came out citing FEMA's lack of qualified leadership, but it was pretty much dismissed as political mud-slinging.
Cindy isn't interested in helping the victims down there. She's just mad they are stealing
her thunder.  Hopefully, she will be relegated to the pathetic pawn that she is and real news of real importance will come back to the world.  Every time she speaks, she puts our troops in danger.  The troops even said so, but she is too far gone to listen to the troops. They are all brainwashed.
I agree. I am helping the victims with all the financial support I can spare BUT
if we don't ask the question what happened to the levees, what can we do to make sure this doesn't happen again, where did the funding go? then we will find ourselves in the same position again. We can not afford to be policing other countries when the funding is bankrupt for our own needs. That's just the truth.

It's just too easy -- the idea that keeping American jobs in America actually helping the economy

Nope, let's spend a few million and buy new furniture for homeland security and a few million more to buy hybrids for congress. 


Can they not deduce that keeping corporate America from offshoring jobs will actually create more jobs, thereby lower the unemployment rate, and put more money in American's pocket for them to spend?  Cut all tax cuts given to companies for offshoring and give the tax cuts to companies to strive to keep jobs in America?


And here's another V8 moment -- how about we buy American?  Maybe increase tariffs on imported goods to discourage American companies from importing so much crapy and thereby necessitating said crap be sold at higher prices in an effort to discourage Americans from buying imports? 


The ONLY way to help the American economy is to employ Americans and buy American!  It's that simple!


Food for thought

 


If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men.
St. Francis of Assisi


He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his dealings wtih animals.


Immanuel Kant








 


 


More food for thought. Another

WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 — Democrats and their allies mapped out a strategy on Friday that they hoped would enable them to override President Bush’s expected veto of a bipartisan bill providing health insurance for 10 million children, most of them in low-income families.


Democratic leaders said they would highlight the contrast between the president’s request for large sums of money for the Iraq war and his opposition to smaller sums for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, known as Schip.


Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, said, “It’s ironic that in the very same week that the president says he’s going to veto the bill because we can’t afford it, he is asking, what, for $45 billion more over and above his initial request for the war in Iraq, money that we know is being spent without accountability, without a plan for how we can leave Iraq.”


Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, said, “This is all a matter of priorities: the cost of Iraq, $333 million a day; the cost of Schip, $19 million a day.”


The campaign for the legislation will also include grass-roots advocacy and political advertisements, and will initially focus on about 15 House Republicans who voted against the bill. Supporters of the legislation hope to persuade them to switch.


But House Republican leaders said they felt sure they could sustain the veto, and two lawmakers on the Democrats’ list said that they would support Mr. Bush.


The bill passed this week by the House and the Senate would provide $60 billion for the program over the next five years, up $35 billion from the current level of spending. On Wednesday, the administration said it would seek $42 billion more for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, bringing its total request to nearly $190 billion for the 2008 fiscal year, which begins Monday.


In an interview on Friday, the House Republican whip, Roy Blunt of Missouri, said there was “a 100 percent probability” that the House would sustain the president’s veto.


But, Mr. Blunt said, the coincidental timing of the vote on the child health bill and the request for money in Iraq “was not helpful.”


The White House, on the defensive, is trying to bolster Republicans who fear they might be penalized by voters if they side with the president.


Dana Perino, the White House press secretary, said Friday, “It is preposterous for people to suggest that the president of the United States doesn’t care about children, that he wants children to suffer.”


Ms. Perino said the president had a policy difference with Democrats in Congress because he did not want “additional government-run health care, socialized-type medicine.”


Senator Charles E. Grassley, an Iowa Republican who helped write the bill, said he would reach out to House Republicans and urge them to override the veto.


“This bill is not socialized medicine,” Mr. Grassley said. “Screaming ‘socialized medicine’ is like shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater. It is intended to cause hysteria that diverts people from reading the bill, looking at the facts.”


The battle will be fought in the House, where the child health bill was approved on Tuesday by a vote of 265 to 159 — well short of the two-thirds majority that would be needed to override a veto.


Ms. Pelosi called Mr. Bush on Friday and said she was praying he would sign the bill.


But Mr. Blunt said: “I bet she’s praying for him not to sign it. The bill is all about politics. It’s pretty good politics for the Democrats.”


Still, Democrats face an uphill fight to persuade Republicans to change their votes. Supporters would need 289 yes votes to enact the bill over the president’s objections if all the members were voting.


The House now has 433 members and two vacant seats.


One of the Republicans singled out for special attention by Democrats was Representative Judy Biggert, from a suburban Chicago district. She was one of 16 Republicans who signed a letter to the speaker last week, urging her to take up the Senate version of the child health bill.


The compromise closely followed the Senate version, but Mrs. Biggert voted against it, saying, “It would push Americans one step closer to socialized medicine.”


In an interview on Friday, Mrs. Biggert said she would vote to sustain the veto.


Democrats said they would also focus their efforts on Republicans like Representatives Timothy V. Johnson of Illinois, John R. Kuhl Jr. of New York, Thaddeus McCotter of Michigan and H. James Saxton of New Jersey.


Mr. McCotter said he was a big supporter of the child health program, but would vote to uphold the president’s veto, even if critics ran television advertisements against him.


Under the bill, the federal excise tax on cigarettes would be increased to $1 a pack, from the current 39 cents.


“I vowed never to raise taxes on anybody, no matter how disliked they might be,” Mr. McCotter said in an interview. He said he would rather be voted out of office than go back on his promises to constituents.


Republican senators who worked on the compromise bill, like Mr. Grassley and Orrin G. Hatch of Utah, said they had tried in vain to persuade White House officials to join the negotiations.


Ms. Perino, the White House spokeswoman, said that after vetoing the bill, Mr. Bush would like to “sit down and come to a compromise” with Congress.


The Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said the president should not hold his breath waiting for such a deal. Democrats, he said, have already made many concessions to keep the support of Senate Republicans.


Whatt?? ( don't know where that dog food ad
???
Some food for thought.

A lot of times a "no" vote comes from some hidden provision that doesn't jive with the candidates' personal policies, i.e. it might not be that they disagree with the issue, but instead that they disagree with the strategy proposed to tackle it.


or use them to protect the food I have.
just a thought.
We don't buy dog food anymore....
and that saves a lot of money.
A day's wages for a day's food.......... sm
Ring any bells?
Healthy food...........sm
does not necessarily mean prime cuts of meat and exotic fruits and vegetables. Like the other poster mentioned, meats can be bought on sale and frozen for up to 6 months. Fruits and veggies can be also. Food dehydrators are also good to use for fruit bought in season. Just dehydrate it and then it can be used during the off season. Dried apples and apricots, for example, can be quite expensive in the stores, but dehydrate a sack of apples and you will have enough apples to last for a while to make pies or just to eat out of hand. A bag of apples at $3.99 is a lot more filling and goes further than a bag of chips at $3.99.
It should be for healthy food........... sm
because the same folks that load up their shopping carts with chips and soda and junk food on food stamps will be the same ones we have to provide medical care through Medicaid for because they have clogged arteries and poor digestive tracks and diabetes.

If I want to take my hard earned money and buy a bunch of junk and clog my arteries, the insurance that I pay for will (somewhat) take care of me. That is my choice and my business. As long as my tax dollars are going to feed others and take care of their health damaged by eating junk, I feel the government has every right to dictate what they eat.
Just some food for thought.
President Barack Obama said in Turkey : "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/god-constitutions.htm


I'm not sure if this website has any politicial affiliation (I couldn't find one), but I checked several of the states constitutions out and they were spot on.  Now, I'm not a Bible thumper (or even attend church regularly), but I thought this was interesting considering Obama's speech.  


Please note that at no time in any of these constitutions is anyone told that they MUST worship God.


 


Bet there was enough food to feed quite a few
This crowd in Washington (and I mean BOTH the Washington politicos and the Washington press) just don't get it, do they? For someone who was supposed to be so "politically savvy", BO has shown repeatedly that he has a political tin ear.
Apparently food is not the only thing she
She has no class whatsoever...maybe she is the love child of Pat Robertson and some cheap hooker?

Check this out: http://www.bettybowers.com/coulter.html#Anchor-Thi-12323

A little over the top but funny.
food for thought...go to this site:
compares the campaign planes.

http://bellalu0.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/obama-campaign-plane-vs-mccain-campaign-plane/

Cut and paste into your browser. This would suggest that perhaps Mr. Obama does have a problem with the American flag. It does to me.
Obama and Iraqi oil for food...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_iraqi_oil_for_food_conn.html
More like food for the garbage disposal.
smoldering racists that mobilize race baiting hoaxters and cyberspace KKK assassination plots are intimidation of the most dangerous and destructive kind. Biden's bystep of a health reporter married to a republican campaign strategiest whose questions have nothing to do with health, rather spew a laundry list of pub smear campaign tactics, designed to intimidate, is entirely appropriate. The cancellation of future interviews with tribal cultural warriors who would flame the fires of division is the only responsible action to take. Why pump wind into those hot air balloons?

Background checks of pub plant shams aimed as exposing desperate disingenous pub camp stunts should have been antcipated....but McC camp is not real big on careful vetting protocols. Your fringe blog puke about threats to O's detractors fall into the category of Biden's bystep. Will not dignify this divisive drum beat with further comment.
Well, then, don't shoot somebody for stealing your food. LOL
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More food for thought on coal

I just watched the video where he stated he was going to put such high caps and make the coal industries pay mucho dollars and hopefully bankrupt the coal industry. BUT, he also stated he would use dollars they must pay if they want to use coal, for clean energy policies like wind power, etc.


 So, that said, how does he intend to pay for all his other energy technology if he bankrupts the coal industry and businesses that use coal? After all, if he bankrupts the businesses that use coal which, by the way, is most electric power plants, whose pocket will he be dipping into for the money for his clean energy policies???


Talking out of both sides of his mouth again.


Well don't really call chips and pop food. sm
I agree there needs to be stricter rules with regards what can be bought with foodstamps.  On the other hand, as I stated, these people don't want to work, will not work. They'll take it from you one way or another, either through government programs or at the point of a gun.
Don't agree at all-healthy food more exp
I don't agree with you at all that healthy food is less expensive. I live in Western NY and in the winter when the public market has less of a variety of fresh fruits and vegetables and I have to buy them at the store them and meat take almost all my budget; plus, milk and juice. Junk food is much cheaper and prepackaged food.
Don't buy prepackaged food. Aren't you

able to have a garden? Don't you have a produce market? Can or freeze veggies and fruits in season. Buy meats in bulk and freeze. Our markets allow food stamps. Stock up on a sale and freeze. Most meats last 6 months frozen.


DH has relatives in western NY and they always had plenty because they did the above. There was no junk food bought with food stamps. In fact, they never even applied for food stamps even though they would probably qualified for them. They took nothing free from the government. There was no junk food in their home, either except on a "special occasion."


Food stamp fraud

Please don't think I am accusing everyone who gets public assistance of this.  Many people who get the assistance really need it, and I have a friend who is an example. 


But there is also a subculture involved here.  People can qualify for food stamps who have undocumented income, under-the-table earnings, and even money from criminal activity.  They don't actually need the food stamps to eat, but they get them. 


Back when food stamps were actual coupons, there used to be a thriving black market in buying and selling food stamps for a percentage of their cash value.  Then the money could be used for tobacco, alcohol, drugs and other things.  Maybe the new debit card system put a stop to this, maybe not.  The money goes into your account every month.  All it would take is lending your card and sharing your PIN number with someone.  My friend has never been asked for ID.


And if the object of this assistance is to feed (and I think by that we mean nourish) people, is it right for parents to stuff their kids full of twinkies, chips and Pepsi with the food stamp money?  What the kids need is nourishment, not junk.  What we end up with is another poorly nourished, hyperactive generation that cannot  concentrate and learn in school, then cannot hold down an adequate job, and the cycle repeats itself. 


In the county where I live, if you are on public health assistance and get pregnant you have to comply with a whole host of requirements.  Parenting classes, classes on prenatal nutrition, classes on how to take care of an infant, regular checkups, drug tests, classes on contraception, etc.  You should consider this a job.  We are paying you to have a healthy baby, and these are your duties.  Women scream about this being degrading, and an invasion of their privacy. 


But honestly, if you accept the assistance, why would you assume there should be no strings?  Why would you assume you don't have to jump through some hoops to get it?  Do you expect to be left alone until the day of delivery, get a free stay in the hospital, and go your merry way?  Can't we assume that since this is your second illegetimate pregnancy, you don't really know what's causing it?  Or you forgot and need to repeat the class?


These types of assistance are supposed to be an investment society makes in improving the situation.  Used properly, they can be.  But often they are considered just another entitlement.  *Just gimme the money and get outta my face.*


Food addiction. Willpower.
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How many bottles of water and food packets
did Bush bring down with him on his massive Air Force One?  From what I could see, the man only handed out food that was already there.  What a guy! 
What's worse than cigarettes and junk food

is when family members and other private American citizens are forced to personally purchase and send BODY ARMOR to the troops because your precious God Bush doesn't care enough about them to supply them with adequate equipment that might help KEEP THEM ALIVE.  But to you CONS, the only good soldier is A DEAD ONE.  That's the difference between you and us:  We want them to stay ALIVE. 


Believe it or not, you are less important to me than I am to you.  Your words are wasted on me, because I don't possess one iota of respect for you and those of your ilk.  You simply aren't worthy of it.


If you find this board so objectionable, I can't understand why you continue to impose your presence here.  There is a CON board for your use and convenience.  Instead, you come here and impose your views on people who are of a different political ideology and then stomp your foot and whine and sigh and complain when they refuse to let you control them.  You're beginning to find out just how difficult it's going to be for you to control all Americans.  It just ain't gonna happen.  We don't want you imposing on our religious beliefs, we don't want you in our bedrooms, and we'll decide birth and death issues, as well as stem cell issues, and any other PERSONAL issues independently, without CON control, interference and intervention. 


You said you're leaving.  Time will tell what you're really made of and whether you're being honest and truly do leave or whether, like a true Bushie, you're NOT telling the truth.  My guess is not.


And a LARGE food-tray, to hold all those
:p

Cat-food's starting to look good. When that runs