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Answered in all honesty...

Posted By: Observer on 2007-10-23
In Reply to: This seems rather troll-ish. - Teddy

the entire thread was about the Plame case and whether or not she was covert. I posted the court document where the media outlets (CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, etc) filed to try to stop the judge from compelling the reporters to give their sources (their aim was to protect whistle-blowers, which is definitely not a bad thing). In that brief it was stated: "We do not believe a crime was committed as she was not covert at the time of the incident." CBS acknowledged that they believed that Plame was not covert...supported by the fact that she was openly working at a desk job in the CIA offices and had been for some time. I thought it was hypocritical of CBS to now bring Plame on and in effect say they believe that she was covert. Then some, not all, of the usual posters piled on questioning the integrity of the court and how decisions can be influenced...when it really had nothing to do with the court, but with the filed brief. CBS et AL actually lost the case. If they had won it, there would have been no Libby prosecution. That is what makes what the liberals posted that much harder to understand. It just seemed like just because a conservative posted it, it could not possibly have any merit, and then when they had to admit it did have merit, suddenly the court had no integrity.

Honest answer.


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In all honesty....
The two of you sound like you need a time out.  I know that you both want to think that you are adults, but it appears that you are not.  Please take a time out which equals one mintue per year of your age and then come back here to post nice things about one another. 
Thanks for your honesty. nm
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In all honesty
they continue to dish out this crap.... they really oughta make sure they have plenty of protection. Someone's gonna end up having enough of it and lose it. As angry as I am about all this and others are too... you mix angry with some of the crazies out there.... I can see something happening.

ALL of this, the economy, this stupid bailout bill, the election..... WHAT A MESS!!!!!
In all honesty, Democrat. SM

How can you castigate someone for being on the liberal board when you are on the conservative board.  Just pointing out a little pot-kettle scenario.   Like Brunson, I won't be posting on here anymore.  And like Brunson, hopefully you will return the favor.  Have a nice evening.


how about the honesty issue?

Just like SP and the Bush Doctrine.  Why can't either of them say, I don't know what you mean, or I am confused about what we talking about here, can you clarify?  I bet the FOLKS would be a lot kinder to them if they would.  I do not want someone bluffing because they are afraid to show vulnerability.  Its a dangerous trait to have in world leaders.


 


We have this thing about honesty....
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Honesty???? lol, good one. nm
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Thank you for your honesty, Amanda. sm
I appreciate it.



By the way, my niece's name is Amanda....and I think of her when I see your post! To me, she will always be about 10 years old, but she just turned 20! They grow up fast.
Thank you for your honesty and join you in your prayer. nm
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In all honesty, you are the aggressor in this situation (sm)

You came on to a political board and insulted the way everyone on here has behaved.  Would you teach your daughter to do that? I'm sorry. I am a very nice person too...I just think you were kind of asking for trouble by doing that. 


Thanks for your honesty. The left cant stand
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I agree. Now in all honesty, although I did vote
all these darned bailouts. I doubt they'll succeed in the end, and we'll be right back where we started, only a few hundred-billion bucks poorer. I think the so-called 'economy' (i.e., making money in a dishonest and/or risky manner), which was basically based on what for all intents and purposes amounts to GAMBLING, should have been allowed to die a natural death. More painful initially, but for a shorter time. All this bailout sh1t is gonna do is just drag this all out well past O's term(s) of office, and into the next, and the next, and maybe even the next. The current way of running the country's finances (and the way many of us are running our own) just didn't work. There's got to be a better, fairer, and more honest way for the wheels of business to turn and for a country to prosper.
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  • And that isn't even the tip of the iceburg for him.  And by the way, what's with the *he owns his problems* junk?  Does that mean that since he admits he's a drug addict then he's not a bad drug addict?  Give me a break.


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    I have not forgotten about the assassination of Bachir Gemayel (Phalangist leader and president-elect, who never took office, BTW) just 2 days before the massacre and the history of hatred between the Phalangists and the Palestinians. If I was aware of it as a young, naïve, ill-informed American, it is only logical that the Israelis were aware of it too and had drawn the conclusion that giving access to the Phalangists was the perfect opportunity for them to commit massacre by proxy, which adds the specter of cowardice to the already atrocious and horrendous act and its outcome.

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    Hope this post answered your question.
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    I answered your post point-by-point and
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    Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming a world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not exactly have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction they employ in order to "secure" themselves.

    The Palestinians are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say? This might just account for the lop-sided fatalities/injuries ratios between the Israelis and the Palestinians. In closing, it is worth noting that even with the advantage of all those terrorist toys and tools our tax dollars have bestowed upon them, security and peace of mind just seem to be further and further beyond their reach. Wonder why that is?