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Character questions

Posted By: Concerned Voter on 2008-10-29
In Reply to: ex-O supporter - shelly

We all know that we can go back and forth on which candidate is the best for our country. We also know that when running for president candidates can promise a lot.  Since it is not possible to know how each candidate's economic, tax or any other policy will turn out until they are actually in office, I will be basing my vote on how they feel about moral issues, i.e. marriage, abortion, etc. Each candidate has a platform/an agenda they will be pushing once elected.  Their platform can be seen on the internet by googling 2008 Democratic Party Platform or 2008 Republican Party Platform. There is some very interesting stuff in there. Check it out.




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What does it say about a man's character when he...

stiffs folks on campaign bills when he steps out of the race?


 



FW: Joe Biden (You WON'T see THIS "reported"....ANYWHERE!!!)

I feel an obligation to honesty and truth to share with you some facts. My Father and Mother instilled in me the values and morals of treating people fairly and always being honest. If you purchase something, you pay for it. If you borrow something, you give it back.

I have been "stiffed" three times in my 30 year professional career by someone who I rendered services to, gave a finished product to, but who refused to pay for those services even though they acknowledged the services and products were correct, were what they asked for, and were never challenged for not being correct. I am lucky in having only three, but those three hurt badly.

Joe Biden was one of those people. I worked on his 1988 Presidential campaign financial disclosure engagement. I busted it for him and got everything right. He stiffed me for over $15,000 worth of work. He refused to pay once he dropped out of the race. I did similar Capitol Hill campaign financial disclosure work for Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, and a Democratic candidate for Ambassador to New Zealand. All of those folks paid even though they lost the election or did not get the appointment. That type of work is very demanding and very tedious because your efforts are scrutinized by Congress. Biden did not care.

I am on the Board of Directors of a company that owns a majority position in a private jet management company in Northern Virginia. They manage jets for businesses and rich folks. They also charter planes to the public. This past winter John Thompson chartered over $250,000 worth of air time. He paid every penny.

Joe Biden, in his latest unsuccessful run for President, chartered over $150,000 worth of air time. He PAID ZERO. He continues to refuse to pay stating his race is over and he is out of money. He never once complained about his flights. Joe Biden is a rich man. He could pay.

Joe Biden is a liar and a cheat. I know it first hand. Character is what life is all about. Joe Biden is a man of bad character and sets a bad example for America.

I feel compelled to share this dark side of a man who asks for your vote and trust.

Best Regards,

Bruce D. Riddle, CPA, CFP
BDR Associates, LLC


 


This email went out 9-2.  Biden has now paid the bill.  Well go figure...LOL.


Character

Unless there is a new candidate, I see no character in any of the candidates.  The only one who gets any real sympathy from me is Joe Biden;  how horrible it must have been to lose a wife and a child in a terrible accident.


As for McCain, by his own admission, he was not faithful in marriage, yet we expect him to be faithful to those of us who are small time people that he doesn't even know?  I think not.


Yes, I read what McCain's ex-wife had to say about him.  I greatly admire and respect her for not bad-mouthing the father of her children.  I think many women would do well to follow her example.  But can anyone tell me with a straight face that the ex-wife, scorned and pubically at that, can remain a great fan of the ex-husband for any reason than out of love and respect for her children or perhaps for money?  No?  I didn't think so. 


Everyone thankfully is free to vote for whomever they wish.  I will not vote for a rat that ran out on his disabled wife.  Whether he did it for Cindy's youth and beauty or for her money, I don't know, but it surely advanced his political aspirations.  What I do know is that I would not like to see such an immoral man in the White House.  Is Obama any better?  I don't know.  His administration might be worse than McCain's but I'll take a chance on him by voting, not FOR him but AGAINST John McCain.


Character
Honestly I think McCain has less character than Obama but then I respect your opinion.
At least she has character.........unlike some
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character is not an "issue" to them. Well, it is
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One word: Character....nm
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What does it say about a candidate's character

 


1.       Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final. 


2.       Calls his wife C-word.


3.       While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.


4.       Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.


5.       Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.


6.       Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."


7.       Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."


8.       Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word. 


9.       Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads. 


10.    Ignites a culture war to get elected. 


11.    Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.


12.    Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"


13.    Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008. 


14.    Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy. 


 


Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed.  Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership. 


Simple ? What does it say about a man's character when he

1.       Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final. 



2.       Calls his wife C-word.



3.       While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.



4.       Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.



5.       Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.



6.       Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."



7.       Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."



8.       Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word. 



9.       Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads. 



10.    Ignites a culture war to get elected. 



11.    Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.



12.    Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"



13.    Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008. 



14.    Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy. 



 



Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed.  Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership. 


character issue

McSame was unfairly attacked by Bush machine when they ran in primaries together.  Bush people insinuated he had a black child out of wedlock.  They even claimed he was mentally unstable due to his time as a POW.  McSame was deeply wounded by the attacks.  But now he is willing to use same diversion techniques against Obama.  That, my friends, speaks of the character of the man.


 


McCain's Character ...sm

Found this comment on McCain.  I guess he just so desperately wants to win.  How many of his former friends and supporters have said lately that they don't recognize him anymore? 


“Character”


John McCain says this election is about character – and he‘s right.

In the 2000 presidential race the Bush campaign – led by Karl Rove – viciously attacked John McCain’s wife and child – they said his wife was a drug addict and that the child he and his wife adopted from an orphanage was actually his illegitimate Black daughter. On election night, his wife was in tears.


Back then, McCain was disgusted. He said there was “a special place in h*ll” for rumormongers like these people. He made a promise to his family and to his supporters that he would never run a dirty campaign like that. Never.


But early this year John McCain hired Charlie Condon, the very same man who was behind those vicious smears to run his South Carolina campaign. And then several weeks ago he brought Steven Schmidt - leading protégé of Karl Rove and master of the political hit job - on board to be his campaign manager and write the talking points for the new negative campaign against Barak Obama.


It’s sad to watch, McCain’s willingness to humiliate himself by hiring the same gang of people who horribly insulted him and his family. It shows that he has become so desperate to win this election that he is willing to sacrifice his principles and his personal honor in order to do it


Let’s face it. A real man would have said to those people – “Get the h*ll out of my office before I throw you out” the minute they walked in. A person would not have to be a tough guy like John Wayne to say that. A gentle, decent man of character would have told them the same thing.


But what did John McCain say about Bush’s dirty politics gang?


He said: “I had to get over it … it was a long time ago”


It’s sad, genuinely sad
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John McCain – he’s no longer the man he used to be.


I don't think character (or lack of it)...

...is restricted to one political party.


Whether this crook is a Democrat or a Republican, he should be tossed in jail and the keys thrown away.  Period.


I am voting for someone who has character. nm
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Character? Have you done any research at all...
about how quickly he rose through Chicago politics? The Daly machine? The people he has dealth with? His 20-year association with black liberation theology? He admitted in his own book he went to socialist conferences and was "exposed" to Marxist literature. None of this really matters to you? Is the United Socialist States of America (sounds suspiciously like the USSR, does it not?) what you really want? If so...vote enthusiastically for Obama. How any thinking person can ignore all this boggles the mind...but of course, it has happened in other countries (Cuba, Venezuela...Russia...), it can happen here too.

No way, no how, could I be any part in putting that man in the White House, especially with a Democratic majority in the Congress.

We would be hosed...all of us...and partly at the hands of our countymen/women. Ironic, doncha think?
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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Speaking of character...

Just because a Georgia congressman needs some publicity (like a 2-year-old, bad attention is just as good as good attention) and says something stupid, people jump all over it.


There are whackos in Congress, just as there are in the general public.  A perfect example is Michele Bachmann who trashed Obama on national television, and when she saw it backfired on her, she quickly produced a commercial saying some nonsense about her words not always coming out right but her heart being in the right place.  (And then she blamed the host of the show for tricking her into saying these outlandish things.)


After the election, she then went on to do a 180 and issued the statement below.


After suggesting that Barack Obama had anti-American views in an exchange three weeks ago with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) told Politico Thursday that she was "extremely grateful that we have an African-American who has won this year." She called his victory "a tremendous signal we sent."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/bachmann-praises-obamas-w_n_141922.html


 


I would not call that a lack of character...

I would actually call it strong character that she can praise Obama's win even though she feels he has anti-American views.  So that is her opinion, as many of us here feel.  


Not laughing. Bush has more character than
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Speaking of character. It should matter, but
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Those who assassinate the character of people they've never met

only succeed in illuminating their own shortcomings.


I won't be responding to you any more.  It's pointless.  You're not here to debate.  You're here to insult.


Have a lovely evening. 


Sure thing....case closed. JM has character....
Obama does not.

Just because someone does not come on after your final barb, doesn't mean I think you're right.

You are largely non-debatable anyway, and one-note choir.
That's right Character matters, meanwhile MQ puffs on W's cigar

Yep, W is his goooood buddy. They be bestest of friends. Gives him big ole bear hugs. Nice to see McSame in the saddle.


Don't you wish ? Issue is character, trust, loyalty and
What about the rest of the list. Again, question is what does this kind of repeated behavior spanning ?many years say about a man's character, especially one who now implores a nation to admire his character, trust his judgment, believe he is loyal to his porported "cause" and that he respects women...the votes he now seeks
Yeah, I don't trust Obama's character
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being a POW shaped him, but character, integrity and judgment
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President Bush's strength of character.....sm
was tested this weekend, when two shoes were hurled at his head in fast succession, while the owner of said shoes, (size 10, by the way, per our prez), had hoped they would hit him, not to mention embarass with the intended podiatric insult.

However, President Bush showed great strength of character in the aftermath of said attack, calling off the secret service, and making light of the matter.



And not to mention, lightning quick reflexes.



Kudos to you, Mr. President. I salute you.
LOL! "Bush's strength of character", now that's funny.
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This speaks volumes about the character of the man who would be president

Bush has more character in his pinky finger than
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What kind of man of character calls Chelsea Clinton
Looks like JM thinks family is fair game as long as it's dem family. Obama does not go down that path.
My vote is based on issues, -include character.nm
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Trusting Obama's character. That is a huge problem
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You dare speak of character. Open your eyes to
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Well, I've heard and read he's a pretty rough character
much less a peace prize candidate. In all seriousness, enlighten me as to what he's done to deserve a peace prize? I can only assume it's because of his socialistic practices that seem to now be a pre-requisite for being a peace prize candidate...
she looked like the whack-a-mole character during that "speech" the other night..
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I think it shows character on Obama's part and I pray for her comfort and healing if that is God&
and for comfort and peace for her family.
More questions...

When and where did Democrat deny in the past being African-American?  I don't recall seeing a post to that effect and can't even imagine the reasons or circumstances under which such a post would even be posted.  If you want to be believed, produce the post.  Otherwise, it's just another necon lie, designed to take the focus off the real problem, which is a racist who apparently is proud to be such a deplorable human being.


More importantly, why are you so aggressive in your defense of such a deplorable human being when your own president has condemned what he said?  Sounds like you and Bennett were cut from the same cloth, which frankly isn't surprising.


Better be careful, though.  The next inconvenient group of people he might be interested in exterminating could be poor, uneducated, clueless, hateful, bigoted, ignorant white neocons.


Questions....! And more
Yep, cover their ears and yell la la la the whole way, that's the MO of the staunch repubs. What I really want to know is, what all exactly of this Bush admin are they so proud of?? What exactly have they accomplished, or even planned, that would actually succeed?? Health care? Social Security? Prescription program? Job security? Immigration? Judges and other appointees? Mishandling and misbehaviors? The environment? A straight answer for continually dumping billions overseas? But I've noticed any kind of even polite queries on that board get blasted off as usual, like a year and 2 years ago when I frequented these discussions. No direct answer whatsoever, just some name calling of us, the dumb ones. Hmmmm. Like I always say, if you're not outraged, you're not thinking....
Few questions.

I'm curious about a few things. 


What do you personally do to help in your community? 


What do faith do you have?


Do you have a mortage and what is the status?  Been able to make payments on time, behind, lost your home?


Do you have health insurance?  If not, why?


Do you have young children?


Were you for the bailout?


Do you have money invested in stocks?  Have you/are you going to cash it in?


Think we should bring our troops back?


Now, who do you think you will vote for?


 


That's what I got, 66.67%, or 22 out of 33 questions right, I think it said...sm
I had a brain freeze on several of them, where several answers seemed right on each one....

Answers to your questions.

Why would I not want you to post here anymore? 


I'm happy now and was happy prior to this also.  Why do you ask?


Those may be good questions.

But I probably won't take the time to research them.  Politics and corruption seem to go hand in hand.  Democrat or Republican.


Joe McCarthy actually started out as a Democrat.


Oh, I should mention that very big business and corruption also seem to go hand in hand -- often -- not always.


Let me answer your questions:

I'm going to repost your post and answer the questions in context:


I happen to agree with you, but does this also mean:


That all liberals aren't as bad as they are routinely portrayed on the conservative board?  I'm sure there are some liberals that aren't as jaded as you and some others here.  They routinely show up here only to be labeled a conservative when they don't go to the extremes that you do. 



 


That all Muslims aren't death-seeking people?  Maybe there are Muslims that are not death seeking.  Where are they?  Point them out to me?  Why are they allowing their faith to over-run by extremists?  Many of us keep waiting for the good Muslims to stand up against the radical Islamofascists, but they are strangely silent which leads me to believe that they are either scared of the extremists or they stand behind what the extremists are doing.  I mean, there are a lot of people on many different forums and appearing on television to relay the fact that the *Jesus Camp* is an extreme fringe of Christianity and not true Christianity, but there is not a vocal majority coming out within the Muslim community to say the extremists are not representative of mainstream Islam. 



 


That extremist fringes in any group are bad?   I think I made that clear in my first post.



 


Muslims are routinely portrayed on this board and by the media and by Bush as lumped together in one violent clump. This is unfair, untrue and does nothing to promote peace and understanding.


Again, I don't see how it's unfair or untrue based on the evidence all around us, because the Muslim community is doing nothing to try and counter that they are anything but a religion of war (Jihad).  They do not want peace. They do not want understanding  They want annihilation of anyone who does not convert.  If you can prove to me that the Muslim MAJORITY is peaceful then I will listen, but all the evidence I have studied up to and including some of the Koran proves otherwise.



 


All religions need to be respected and tolerated in America. Isn't that what America is supposed to stand for?  Well sure...that is if the religion is not dead set on destroying America.  America is to protect America and the Judeo-Christian beliefs it was founded upon.  We tolerate any peaceful religion who wants to tolerate us in return, but if your sole purpose is to destroy America, well, common sense tells  you that America has to defend herself and other weaker countries that are susceptable to bullying from the warmongering religion.


 


A couple of questions...
what proof do you have that the war has anything at all to do with oil...and what do you mean...you "bought" your patriotism?  "Served it?"  Curious as to what that means.  And ya know...I have been kinda tired for YEARS as the terrorists picked off our people by the hundreds until they hit the big one on 9-11 and took out 3000 at one time.  Just wondering if you think that was worth fighting over.  Just wondering.  If not...what?  When they kill 8,000?  10,000?  How many will it take?  Just wondering.  How much innocent blood will have to be spilled here to get you as angry at the terrorists as you are at conservatives?  Just wondering.....
Few questions......don't sweat...

Who wants to abolish the Federal Reserve?


Who wants smaller government?  No more taxes?  No government interference in our lives? 


Who is for abolishing the IRS? 


Who believes that government should only be in place to run our military for OUR safety? 


Who wants government out of our public schools? 


 


Why are they the wrong questions?
Why has he never answered the questions truthfully?
He has answered the questions
by what authority do you determine he has not answered the questions truthfully?
So I'm bringing my questions right along behind you.
Never said you were lying. Simply asked for what you have provided and I was able to finally find on my own. So here is the post you would like to leave buried below while you celebrate your victory. Still need these answers.

So, it seems that McCain also has a refundable tax credit in his plan too...larger, in fact than Obama's. $2500 for individuals and $5000 for couples for health insurance. This begs my original question, which yet have to answer.

Whe Obama adjusts taxs rates within our historical progressive tax structure, it's socialism. When anybody else does it, it's not. So, I am wondering...if Obama has a smaller refundable tax credit in his plan than McCain, why is it welfare under Obama and not under McCain?
I agree with you, Lu! So many questions about O.
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Here's 3 links. Any questions?
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/EnvironmentFactSheet.pdf
Page 4 of this document. Includes a video.

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/full-text-barack-obama-speech-real-leadership-for-a-clean-energy-future/


http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2008/03/08/news/casper/doc47d2397a06235615103300.txt

This leads me to other questions.
Think epidemics and isolating towns and/or cities with military.
this is exactly why I asked the questions I did -
everybody else either has to make it on their own or fail - they obviously have been ripping the American public off for years - a quality product could have been made for a lot less money. Why should we have to bail them out now? The problem is they don't want to lose those big bonuses and big paychecks and actually have to get a job like the rest of us do!