Doesn't change the fact....Obama is a socialist....
Posted By: sam on 2008-10-30
In Reply to: Hypothetical, rhetorical questions, perfectly fine. - Registered pub donors....sm
and you are condoning trampling all over someone's civil rights because they asked a question and Obama answered it honestly. Why would that upset you so much? Ohhbaamaaa is socialist, he said he was in his answer, explained it very clearly. So you should just embrace his socialism and stop shooting the messenger, right?
Slurs? Unfounded accusations? You mean like doing a law enforcement background check on someone for asking a question?
That is HONEST?? pUleezzeee.
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Obama IS a socialist. That is a fact.
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A socialist country doesn't seem like such a bad thing?!? Then vote for Batista Obama.
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This does not change the fact that CNN has not
You see, I know my candidate. He is very careful with his votes. There must have been something HIGHLY, HIGHLY stinky for him to have voted no on Katrina finding in view of the 36 other times he did everything humanly possible to help out. Cetainly you didn't have time to read it, but I feel certainly others will at least glance at the list. Don't blame you for being a little touchy on being exposed for posting half truths on the board. It does have a tendency to undermine one's credibility, especially if you let it become a habit.
Doesn't anyone know what it will mean for us to live in a socialist country?
While everyone is busy attacking the republicans while crying that everyone is attacking Obama, nobody has answered the question.
You can't even see the end of the nose on your face. Its a fact that democrats have put us economically where we are. Who cares about Bush! He did not vote on the FMFM thing 2 years ago. There are bills signed, records voted on. It is black and white. with Dodd, Franks, and Cox at the top (not to mention Obama). It is undeniable, yet you continue to ignore the facts (plus the democrats had control of the congress). Stop living in the victim state and face the facts.
Still just trying to find out what socialism will mean for us in our daily lives IF Obama is elected. Nobody knows yet if he will be elected or not - especially with the latest news of the swing states finding republican registration cards thrown in the garbage. I don't trust any poll until the day after election (look at the Bush/Gore election). That was close.
Anyway...guess I will have to do some research but not sure where to start.
does NOT change the fact that he voted NO
to Katrina relief and instead to send the money for the bridge to nowhere. And I think that was a bad choice.
Word, semantics, when socialist doesn't scare...sm
people enough, it gets elevated to communist and nazi just being inflammatory. We are Americans first, democrats and republicans second, period.
One of the things I disagree with McCain...he doesn't know a socialist...sm
when he sees one.
But hey, that falls into his 50% of stuff I don't agree with...hehe
Change and Hope: Obama wants your change and hopes you enjoy starving.... sm
...while he's partying like a rock star with the glitterati.
Meanwhile, some little old lady is hoping he doesn't get a dog and sends her the dog food instead.
I want change. Chump change. I'm voting for Obama as far as the pollsters go.
Obama is change you can believe in until you have to take it to the bank.
Our jobs have been offshored until now because of greed. Under Obama and his taxation of small businesses, they will be offshored not because of greed but because of survival.
You could make a difference for our country by not voting for Obama, but instead, if you vote for him, you are selling out to deception. You are embracing a socialist, a communist, a Marxist, a liar, a cheat, and someone who legally cannot run as President of the U.S., much less the Illinois senate. But, you make your choice. You believe the consumate liar and his lies who sat for 20 years under the teachings of a black racist preacher filled with hatred for the U.S., whose association with Bill Ayers is recent and documented down to the fact that Ayers himself wrote Obama's best-selling book (best-selling in the eyes of far left liberals that is), who is a documented member of the socialist party, whose friends and close allies are extremists who not only bomb innocent people and are unrepenetent but who intend to eliminate (kill) 25 million Americans who they cannot "re-educate" in communist ideaology (gosh dog it, those dreadful capitalists), who refuses to hand over a certified copy of his birth certificate and educational records (my goodness, don't you have to provide your birth certificate to any number of entities who want to know if you are legal, i.e., social security, DMVs, etc., and your educational records would show if you had received aid as a foreigner and in 1963 would have shown you were a negro instead of an African-American which Obama's falsified record shows, please speck up on history), and who thinks Joe the Plumber is so stupid not to realize that if he wants to achieve the American dream, he is going to achieve it only if he lets Obama take what he makes to give to those WHO WILL NOT WORK. I'd like to see you, liberals, give a share of your 7.5 cpl to those who don't work as hard as you, but then with Obama, that's what you will have to do. Don't be fooled by his rhetoric that only those making over $250,00 will be taxed. We will all be taxed, and there will be no incentive to work for any of us because we will all have to give up a piece of our pie so those who do not work can have a piece of our pie.
Here is the dividing line, folks. We are at a crossroads in our history. The Lord Jesus puts it this way, "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction; and there are many who go in by it."
Choose which gate you enter, the wide or the narrow. It not only determines your eternal destination, but it determines the destination of this country. If anyone here calls themself a Christian and can vote for Osambo, I daresay you are a liar and cheat just as he. One cannot be a Christian and vote for a party and a political candidate who is in total rebellion to God's Word. That is a fact, and if you think any differently, then you, too, like the Obamanation, call God a liar. May He have mercy upon your soul. As He makes the rain fall on the just and the unjust because He is no respector of persons, we will all suffer as this country is destroyed and our Constitution that guarantees our freedoms is trampled just as Bill Ayers is pictured standing upon our flag in total disrespect, and we will thank you liberals that we are all in bondage, reduced to third world status, just as the Israelites were in Egypt. Only Obama ain't no Moses but a Muslim and has no favor with God, and there will be no one to lead us to the Promised Land coming from the Democratic party.
Accusation doesn't equal fact
anybody who has a beef against Bush could come out with this...doesn't make it true.
Obama IS a socialist. And I think you know it.
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Not Obama. He is a socialist first.
Have you not read his books?
Obama is a socialist
Redistribution of wealth is a key characteristic of socialism. We already redistribute enough wealth, so why punish those who work hard to make a better life for their families by making more money? Take more taxes from them to give to the crackheads on the street who won't work? Also, remember, it is generally the wealthy people who create the most jobs.
None were As socialist as Obama...
he is eliminating the federal taxes of 10 million and making up the lost revenue by taxing the "rich" at a higher rate, while at the same time letting the bush tax cuts for those same people expire, which is not reflected in any of your charts.
answer: None of them were more socialist than Obama.
At least HE is honest about it.
OBAMA THE SOCIALIST
HE'S A SOCIALIST, MUSLIM; WE WILL HAVE SOCIAL MEDICINE, ALL THE CHURCHES WILL BE CLOSED AND ALL CHRISTIANS WILL BE PERSECUTED. NO HOMESCHOOLING FOR SURE. OUR BORDERS WILL BE OPEN. YOU MUST HIRE HOMOSEXUALS IN YOUR CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES. REMEMBER WHAT HITLER DO, IT WILL BE MUCH, MUCH WORSE. ******
**** Edited by Moderator: No name-calling, please.*****
Obama is a socialist and probably a closet...sm
communist, masquerading as the most liberal democrat in the Senate.
Democrats have this overwhelming desire to want to be taken care of from cradle to grave, and their leaders philosophy of, "let me take care of you forever" mentality is so scary. Not to mention the constant class envy and warfare on those that are successful in life.
Complete and total socialism, and communism.....Doesn't work, never has worked, won't work ever.
Oh yeah, and he and Michelle are racist. Certain comments, past and present, in or out of context, are racist and inflammatory..... let's call a spade, a spade, shall we?
And a spade? that's a playing card, not a black man in this context.
I'm also sick and tired of the so called political correctness in this country. If Obama can call McCain and "old white man" -- why the heck can't McCain call Obama a "young, black man."
Geez, is it November yet...please?
Flame on, I don't care anymore, and I'm out of here.
Obama is FAR from a socialist... ru crazy?
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McCain said that Obama was not a socialist - nm
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McCain says Obama not a socialist
On Larry King last night.
Even McCain said Obama was not a socialist
on Larry King the other night when asked
even the socialists say Obama is not a socialist -
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28645
Obama - more Marxist/Socialist/Communist
connections:
After Iowa
Happy New Year and congratulations on a job well done. These have been trying times when the hyenas of war have again been turned loose on humanity by a greedy ruling class.
Now, beyond all the optimism I was capable of mustering, Mr. Obama won Iowa! He won in a political arena 95 percent white. It was a resounding defeat for the manipulations of the ultra-right and their right-liberal fellow travelers. Also it was a hard lesson for liberals who underestimated the political fury of the masses in these troubled times.
Obama’s victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle. Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary “mole,” not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through.
The old pattern of politics as usual has been broken. It may not have happened as we expected it to happen but what matters is that it happened. The message is clear: we can and must defeat the ultra-right, by uniting the broadest possible coalition that will represent an overwhelming majority of the people in a new political dynamic. We must quickly shed yesterday’s political perspective and get in step with the march of events.
Frank Chapman (letter to Communist Party newspaper People’s Weekly World.)
Via e-mail
Obama is basically a socialist. Look at his record
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Calling Obama a socialist is dragging him through the mud??
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Obama Linked to Socialist Party
Not that this comes as any surprise to me, but some here just can't accept it for some reason:
Evidence has emerged that Sen. Barack Obama belonged to a socialist political party that sought to elect members to public office with the aim of moving the Democratic Party far leftward to ultimately form a new political party with a socialist agenda.
Obama's campaign had earlier denied the presidential candidate was ever a member of the New Party.
But past copies of the New Party News, the party's official newspaper, have been found and they show Obama posing with New Party leaders, list him as a New Party member and include quotes from him. Read the latest now on WND.com.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78945
WorldNetDaily
http://wnd.com
OBAMA is a socialist! Go read the definition
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Uhhh.. Obama IS a socialist and has ties to a
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Obama slam dunks socialist slur at
in news conference Q&A after the event. Turns lemons into lemonade on Joe the Plumber and Biden's alleged gaffes. Looking more and more presidential with each passing moment. Wait. What's that I hear? Must be the sound of the helium leak seeping out of McCain's deflating hot air balloon.
Obama's slogan of change is just that
a slogan. He is telling people what they want to hear. People want change. But his slogan of change is a false hope.
McCain's slogan of country first is real and he proves that by his service to our country. It isn't just a slogan. It is something he believes in and has proved that with his own broken body.
Do you know that while McCain was a POW, there was a man who made a flag and they would say the pledge of allegiance every day. These were men severely beaten, mistreated, wounded, and some dying who said the pledge to our flag every day. Then you have Obama who didn't even put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
Either way, Obama was supposed to be CHANGE
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Yet another fact about Obama
From the desk of:
Mat Staver, Founder
Liberty Counsel
I have a very important update on the election. But first,
I want to be clear -- Liberty Counsel is a nonprofit
organization and therefore does not support or oppose
any candidate for office.
That said, I feel I must address a situation that is important
to every American. We have witnessed media "spin" or "silence" on all of
the issues we are fighting to defend - perhaps
especially on ballot initiatives that would preserve marriage
as the union of one man and one woman.
+ + We the people have a right to know
Now the Los Angeles Times is refusing to release a video in
its possession that reportedly shows Barack Obama toasting
Rashid Khalidi-a mouthpiece for the Palestine Liberation
Organization (PLO) who espouses violent anti-Israel views.
In the toast, Obama is said to speak of his long friendship
with Khalidi. One speaker evidently compares Israeli "Zionists"
to Osama Bin Laden.
Voters deserve to confirm or deny this report with their
own eyes! Only then can they decide what to believe about
the media reports on the LA Times video.
There are many unanswered questions presented by this video.
Perhaps the story is exaggerated. Perhaps it is true.
Either way, we deserve to know.
No matter which candidate you support for president, you're
entitled to full disclosure on where the candidates stand
on key issues. During this year's election cycle the media
has cast aside all pretense of objectivity.
They have become shameless shills for political candidates
they support and have railed against ballot initiatives they oppose. The LA Times
is among the worst offenders.
I believe this is a question the American people deserve to
have answered - and that's why the LA Times must release this video!
+ + Urgent Action -- Tell the Times to release the video
I'm asking you to contact the LA Times today and demand that
this video be released:
Phone: 213-237-5000 Fax: 213-237-7679
Also, take a moment right now to email the LA Times:
national@latimes.com
Finally, please forward this message to your friends.
Too much is at stake to let the LA Times suppress what could
be a key piece of information that the American voters deserve to hear!
Thank you for your prayers and support.
Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman
Liberty Counsel
http://www.libertyaction.org/r.asp?U=12992&CID=291&RID=17901735
Liberty Counsel, with offices in Florida, Virginia and Washington, D.C.,
is a nonprofit litigation, education and policy organization dedicated to
advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of human life and
the traditional family.
Liberty Counsel . PO Box 540774 . Orlando, FL 32854 . 800-671-1776
Obama-Biden Lobbyists - change??
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/27/politics/washingtonpost/main4388540.shtml
http://blog1.thejtandbearshow.com/2008/08/27/obama-rewarded-bidens-lobbyist-son-with-34-million-in-earmarks.aspx
Obama already trying to back out of his promise of change.
By Tim Reid, The Times of London
Barack Obama's senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week's election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harboring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve.
The sudden financial crisis and the prospect of a deep and painful recession have increased the urgency inside the Obama team to bring people down to earth, after a campaign in which his soaring rhetoric and promises of "hope" and "change" are now confronted with the reality of a stricken economy.
One senior adviser told The Times that the first few weeks of the transition, immediately after the election, were critical, "so there's not a vast mood swing from exhilaration and euphoria to despair."
The aide said that Obama himself was the first to realize that expectations risked being inflated.
Obama "I am the change" - Liberals want a refund
It used to be yes we can, now it's yes I can and I am the change.
http://www.bigmouthfrog.org/2008/11/27/obama-tells-supporters-i-am-the-change/
Obama's "change" really means... change
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Obama - No change, just politics as usual
So much for a more transparent administration. It seems to be just more of politics as usual. So, Obama is having personnel problems already. He has not even been in office 3 weeks and now TWO of his cabinet members have tax problems? First it was Geithner who "forgot" he had to pay taxes plus had an illegal working for him. And now Tom Daschle??
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28958689
Hmmm...let me see...when I had "tax problems" it cost me that problem plus interest and fines. So, I guess if you are an Obama appointee, it doesn't matter whether you pay taxes or not. Gee......with all the problems in our economy, maybe I should get a job in Washington as an Obama appointee. In like Flynn in my opinion.
I am so glad I didn't drink the kool-aid.
I did not bring up Obama. The fact is
we don't need that promise from him as we are already doing it, and have been for years! Perhaps our older retired women will catch onto the new fertility efforts and start getting their pay raises, too!
The 'it' factor: Let's give Obama a change, at least...
the last 8 years were not good years.
Isn't charisma and attractiveness in all fields of life a major component for success? Besides all other qualifications?
As a matter of fact, I do know what Mrs. Obama meant...
all you have to do is do a little research. Read the papers she has written. She was dead serious in what she said and she meant it..and the only reason she is proud of America now is her husband is running for President. People need to try to see through the spin. She has had the same feelings for years, they run deep, in she AND her husband. That is why they stayed in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years, unless you buy the ridiculous story that they went there for 20 years and never heard a "sermon like that." Anybody who really believes that...I have 10 acres of prime real estate (in a Louisianna swamp) I would like to talk to them about.
Laura Bush is just a nice person and would not say anything negative about anyone if her life depended on it. She never said a bad thing about the people who have said very mean, hateful, personal things about her family. I would not expect her to say anything else.
Good grief...John Edwards. Now there is someone to make a quote about two Americas. Any idea what size house he lives in? Gets $300 haircuts? Made millions suing people and channeling dead kids to do it? He is as bad as the people he points fingers at. And he came from poor folks. He should KNOW better. I don't see him living in a smaller house, driving a smaller car, rebuilding New Orleans or anything else with his millions. Yet has the gall to point fingers at corporate America and people BUY that false sincerity. Sheesh!!
Yes, there are bigots. There are black bigots, white bigots, red and yellow bigots. Bigots come from all races. Racists come from all races.
I am not ashamed, nor have I ever been ashamed, to be an American. It is not the country's fault some goofballs live in it. Just like it is not the black race's fault that some of theirs are bigots and racists. Just like it is not every Caucasian's fault that slaves were held 200 years ago, especially Caucasians living now. That needs to be put to rest and the chip needs to come off the shoulders. It would serve us all well to remember that while some Caucasians did enslave people, other Caucasians stepped up and went to war, fought and died in partial reason to abolish said slavery. And if those said Caucasians had not stepped up, it would not have happened. And lest we forget one little tidbit of information...slavery was in existence long before America was. And who did the Dutch traders buy said slaves from? Other blacks who enslaved their own people. All that being said, slavery IS wrong, and thousands of Caucasians fought died to abolish it. So can we please move on?
As to religion...again, good grief! This country was founded by people seeking religious freedom. This is the most "religiously free" country on the face of the earth. The only religion discriminated against in this country is Christianity. Muslims can do whatever they want, wear whatever they want, practice openly, even in school. Christians can't. Buddhists can...Christians can't. And "pure hatred" for anyone who is not in their club...there are offshoots of ANY religion who are kooks. And there are many fewer hate mongers that call themselves "Christian" and give us all a bad name...than there are in other religions. Islam sees no way but their way. They may say otherwise, but their Koran tells a different story. When was the last time Christians went to war for religion? As far as I know, THIS country has NEVER gone to war over religion. And as to the Crusades, yes, that was done in the name of religion. But what people also conveniently forget why...because Muslims were running across Europe killing everyone in their path who did not convert, and aimed to set up shop in Jerusalem, and slaughter as many Christians as they could on the way. Back in the day Christians did not feel like they could let that happen. I sympathize.
All that being said...Obama's problem is not that he is black, although if he is not elected that is what the racists will say. Just like Hillary's people are saying she did not get the nomination because she is a woman. Excuses, excuses, excuses. I would have the same problem with Obama if he were red, yellow, or green for that matter. I don't believe him, I don't trust him. I don't think he has enough experience and the people advising him do not make me feel any better about it. If you look at his voting record, he is one of the most liberal senators, if not THE most liberal. Now he is trying to move to the middle because he wants to be elected. You do not change your whole life-long way of thinking overnight.
Friend, as long as there are human beings there are going to be bigots. There are going to be racists. You will not change that. These are the people who don't have the ambition or drive to work to get ahead and want to blame someone else for their lot in life...whether it is pity me because I am black, pity me because I am poor and white, pity me because the rich people have all that money and I have nothing, and on and on an on and on. You either rise above it or you wallow in it. Nowadays minorities do have it over Caucasians, so the chip really should come off. So we have affirmative action for poor white kids? Uh...no. Do we have special college programs for poor white kids?Uh....no.
When was the last time you had a person of color thank you for your great grandfather dying at Gettysburg? When have you EVER heard that? When have you ever heard one of the black politicians of today say ANYthing about whites during the civil war being willing to split their country and die on the battlefield in part to emancipate slaves and abolish slavery? I personally have yet to hear it. They want to talk about the whites who enslaved them, but they sure don't want to talk about the whites who died to set them free. Now you tell me...is that or is that not racist?
That being said...I think a person should help their fellow man and everyone should have an equal shot, no matter WHAT their color is. And that includes...gasp...caucasians.
Another thing you might do...check your history. The Democratic Party, during the civil war, right after it, up until 1964 tried its dead level best to keep black people from being able to vote. Not until the voting rights act of 1964 were all restrictions lifted. Lyndon Baines Johnson said, as he signed it into law: "We (Democrats) may have lost the south forever (meaning the votes of southern white Democrats...now there is/was a racist group). But, the Democrats had to think fast about how to rebuild the base...and how do they do that? Well, enter Lyndon Baines Johnson and the War on Poverty....and entitlement programs out the kazoo. And there was born the new Democratic base to take over for the old one...and the fact that the Democratic party had been the ones with the foot on the neck of black people for 100 years was forgotten.
How many black people today do you think even KNOW that? I would venture not many, as it is no longer taught in school and revisionist history has taken over.
All that being said...I think it is time to put that away and not continue to hold it over the head of every American, especially since the wrong was righted by Caucasian folks on civil war battlefields and the Republicans (Abe Lincoln was one) then and right up until the voting rights act of 1964 hammered at the Democrats until they gave in. But you don't hear much about that anymore do you? No,not a peep. All you hear about is racist America, and most folks think Republicans were responsible all along, which is a bold-faced lie. History does not lie. Check it out.
That is why I LOVE this country and her people, black and white, yellow and red. Because for all the griping, all the poor pitiful me's, all the excuses, there are those who are still willing to put their lives on the line for this country and her people. God bless them, I say. They are the fabric which holds us together. God forbid that at least some of us will always remember that and be grateful.
Yes, I love my country. I am proud of her history, her start, and my heritage. My country has never disappointed me, though some of my fellow citizens certainly have and continue to.
When it became me, me, me, instead of we, we, we....sigh.
That is a fact. Indoctrination. Obama studied it....
perfected it and look folks..it's working.
Get real. In fact, reality of Obama is going to be
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Yes, they're all nuts. The change they'll get is not the change they thought
It is what Obama DOESN'T say....
that I am concerned about.
Obama doesn't even know how many
He said he has visited 57 states in this country, had 2 more to go. Now, if this had been Hillary or a reb candidate, the media would still be dragging this through the mud. Maybe it was just a freudian slip? Organization of the Islamic Conference?
A little curious.
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Why doesn't Obama let Biden take over for him...
and go to DC and show leadership like McCain is? Didn't hear Letterman making that point. And you won't either. lol.
Yes, Obama won the election. That doesn't mean he's the best man
for the job. It just means he's good with deception. Talk about smoke and mirrors!
I don't know who or what Obama is and I don't know what role he will play in the years to come. What I do know is our days are number and he will set the stage for certain prophesy to be fulfilled. Watch and see.
Is Obama The Antichrist? I don't know. But the spirit of the antichrist is already in this world.
You're the one not getting it. Obama doesn't not have to do much of anything
in order to win over a "moderate muslim" because they are by definition open to Western ideas regarding politics and general ideas. They embrace a sort of liberal Islam in sharp contrast to the extremist or fundamentalist muslims who have zero tolerance and believe in and embrace the concept of Jihad against the infidels.
I'm not just talking about muslims who live in the U.S., but muslims around the world. For example, President Karzai of Afghanistan has been deemed a moderate muslim because of his political ideas which is why he fears violence against him from the extremists in his country.
Get it? Obama saying that he wants to "win over" moderate muslims is akin to a MTSO saying they want to "win over" Indian MTs to work with them. It won't be hard and will take very little convincing. Not to mention King Obama is the "world's president." Like I said, he's just posturing of the media. The liberal media loves him and his pretty speeches. Journalists have become babbling idiots since O burst on the scene.
and Obama DOESN'T mis-speak?-dont go there
Don't go there unless you are ready to hear it back. Obama thinks there are at least "57" states and talks of when the "bomb was dropped on Pearl Harbor". He is also the king of "uhhh" and "ummmm". He reads a teleprompter well. Otherwise, he makes many mistakes when speaking.
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Why doesn't Obama come clean about socialism?
And if you wanted to know what McCain wants to do for the country you could go to his website and read it if you have room in your brain for anything not Barack Obama.
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