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For goodness' sake, where did critical thinking go?

Posted By: MTRE on 2006-01-17
In Reply to: The fact that an article was written does not make it fact. I hope you know that. nm - sm

It's an editorialized article that includes many statements and facts meant for the reader to consider. It's not something intended to be only true or not true. You're supposed to THINK about it and measure it against what you know and come to your own opinion about it, and if it jars you, check out the facts for accuracy yourself. What has happened to the right's ability to think soundly?


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critical question

She HAS guts or IS foul intestinal matter proudly on display . . .  there is a difference.


 


States' rights is a critical cornerstone of American government.
The country's forefathers were very worried about a federal government that accumulated power that could never be checked. In order to prevent this from happening, all power was to remain in the hands of the states except those SPECIFICALLY granted to the federal government by the Constitution.

There is reason to be gravely concerned that the current administration does not understand, or does not support, this fundamental federalist principle. Under the guise of "dealing with the economic crisis", there has been an enormous power grab, not only in the realm of state rights, but into the private sector of the economy as well. Even many who voted for the current administration are becoming concerned about this.

There's something seriously amiss in Washington, and that "something" is beginning to look like a wholesale rejection of the fundamental principles that have never served us perfectly, but have served us well and made this nation the envy of every other.
oh for pete's sake
The far right is reading something sinister into this. Even your link acknowledges that Obama voted against this bill with an intentionally inflammatory name because of technical wording that would infringe upon Roe v. Wade but wasn't opposed to the federal version with different wording. He's not in favor of leaving babies to die. For pete's sake, no one is. These kinds of bills are thrown around all the time by both sides just so they can use it as ammo against the other side later, things like Women's Human Rights bill and Anti-baby Mutilation Act, so when the other sides votes for or against their opponent can say, "you voted against women's human rights," or "you voted in favor of baby mutilation."
I hope for your sake

your brother or son are never on the wrong side of a divorce case that involves a politician.  To reach down from the Governor's office into a matter belonging to the trooper's direct superiors is nothing  but abuse of power and vindictiveness.  That should scare the blue right off your hair.


 


Oh for heaven's SAKE
Hitler? Marx? You don't know what you are talking about, & bringing your religion into it gives your religion less credibility, doesn't give you more.

http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/a/ChristFascism.htm
Get a life, for God's sake!
.
For heaven's sake
What's next, that pie he was eating looked exactly like Elvis? Good grief.
Oh for Pete's sake, it won't work.

It will go underground.  Like it or not, it is tied now to big business.  You quoted it.  This will not induce responsibility.  You stand by your beliefs because you feel it just and it makes you feel good without much thought about the ramifications, the immediate and the future. 


It is this kind of behavior that drives me nuts.  This is the same behavior of why we as the United States are looked upon with such scorn pretty much around the world because we keep pushing our beliefs on others because we feel it just and it makes us feel good without much thought or regard to the people and the possible outcome.  Not to mention, it tends to prey on the weak.


I think the method of abortion is what gets you all riled up.  Would it make you feel better if abortions were all done chemically?  Probably wouldn't be near as adamant about it, the vividity of it is what gets your attention.  Too bad the site of bloodied, mangled, bodies of men, women, and children of those who die during war doesn't ignite the same fire in your heart.


George Carlin said this back in the 70s and it always stuck in my head.  "Religion is like a lift in your shoe, just don't nail lifts to the natives feet". 


Addendum for sake of clarity.
For the sake of clarity, the hearings on the The Imperial Presidency of GW Bush and Possible Legal Response are being conducted in the House Judiciary Committee, not the House of Representatives since, like the energy bill, Pelosi's position is one of "impeachment is off the table." Just how long she can keep it off the table is anybody's guess. John Conyers is skeptical by nature and, in the past, has been lukewarm and uncommitted one way or the other on impeachment. Evidently he has changed his mind when confronted with evidence he could no longer ignore. This was discussed by him during his interview on Democracy Now! in one of those programs back in June. Though he was not willing to comment on "an ongoing investigation," he did make it quite clear that he will exhaust all avenues in "getting to the bottom" of the issues that are being raised in this HDC process and take appropriate action.

http://thebivouac.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/rep-kucinich-takes-phone-caller-questions-on-impeachment-video/
Kucinich talking about HJC impeachment process, C-Span, Washington Journal. There is about 30 minutes of video here.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/35061
At this link, you will find these links:
Hearing on Impeachment Videos
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2008-07-26 18:06.

Kucinich enters hearing to cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2MWTh0QF40
Rep. Robert Wexler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T1ojrKhp6E
Rep. Steve King:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eZxCloEbQk
Rep. Jerrold Nadler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL7259BAP9s
Rep. Dennis Kucinich:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRAcenaTVkQ
Bruce Fein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80IphtHrFzg
Vincent Bugliosi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDAFozFn4kU
Bruce Fein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXyDK2-p4fU
Vincent Bugliosi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q53p34yzZac
Vincent Bugliosi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7abu9a0xtNI
Lamar Smith:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epf0QpeFcag
Rep. Baldwin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFNmanXtZ9o
Maurice Hinchey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHKV-7vvYk
Rep. Dan Lungren:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKc5e0oAvYM
Protesters ejected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uosDxv1bjCc
Rep. Walter Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU5HKfes0cE
Congressman Steve Cohen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZezNyKmKF1M

Oh for Pete's sake. Why should this be an issue? sm
The one that springs to mind is John Edwards $400 haircuts.

I mean, really. Of course they want her to look good while she's on the campaign trail.

Why don't you ask who pays for Obama's , or Michelle Obama's wives wardrobe? Oh wait, maybe those were paid for by the gazillions of dollars he gets donated by anonymous donors overseas....or wherever.


This is really a nonissue for most people. You all are just trying to rile things up.
For heaven's sake, READ THE ARTICLE.
the part about charges dropped WITHOUT PREJUDICE. It means that the charges can be brought against him again AFTER the review has concluded and the new policies are in place. Also, pay especialy close attention to the part where it says that Abd Al-Rahim will REMAIN IN CUSTODY. Does that sound like a free pass?
Oh, for pete's sake, stop with the Palin bashing... sm
We know that you hate her. Big surprise.

The more you bash McCain/Palin, the better they look.


Makes Obama look bad, the way his supporters trash her continually.




No one uses "peahen", so I insist on the "Mr." for sake of clarity.
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Get the facts - not fear - and for pete's sake stop being so nauseating
you probably don't know who I'm addressing it to and I want to keep it that way.

It's good you support your candidate, but this rhetoric back and forth, mine is more experienced than your, you'll be crying all the way to the polls while I'm laughing, blah, blah, blah.

Truth is we don't know who will win. One thing I'm seeing is most don't like any choice, but you hate one so much that you belittle the other side to prop yours up.

Also I'm not seeing anyone do any research. It's just mine has more experience than yours but no facts to back it up. Again - yada yada yada.

To me none of them are overly qualified. Some I can't stand, but I don't have that "I love this candidate or that candidate".

I just say stop belittling others until you can come up with hard facts as to why one is more qualified than the other. (well even then don't belittle others - just state the facts).
For Pete's sake, I agree. Let me say, CARE PACKAGES ARE A GREAT THING TO DO!
Let's all send care packages. I will check out the web site you provided and if it's legit my heart and pocketbook will lead me. Trust me, to your surprise I'm not a stingy old witch sitting here not willing to give a dime to the troops but yet preach about how much I love them. Don't believe that, well then it only rains under your cloud.

Where the disconnect is, is that you think that people are not allowed to be against this war, against this administration, and still be for the troops. When you come here and tell us what the troops are asking for in the form of care packages, it ticks me off even more with this administration for putting them in this situation, but you have reminded me that they are with needs and wishes and for their sacrifice we all should give to them.

In discussing this, our conversation can not be limited to care packages. Let me applaud you in all sincerity for being proactive and on top of sending the packages you have put together. I know you will make someone in Iraq's day brighter, a big hats off to you! I just happen to think they shouldn't be in this predicament anyway and on that we may never see eye to eye and that's fine.

My goodness, what it
to open their eyes! Remember when Pat Robertson said hurricanes were God's way of punishing Florida for Disney World allowing gay partners medical benefits? What do you think he thinks now...oh wait a minute, think..he thinks? OMG, they've confused me so!!!! LOL....Karma wagon comin' round...dum de dum. See, now if Katrina or Rita were to go to Venezuela!
Yes, thank goodness for
the others you mentioned. The so-called liberal media have given these clowns a free ride. At least a few have awakened after a very deep sleep. I especially love Ms.Thomas; leave it to a tough old broad (and I mean this with great affection and admiration) to have the b***s to call them on their BS.
Goodness me.......

Yikes! That quiz is too scary!


I was toying with the idea that I might change candidates....now? No way!!


 


 


oh my goodness!

Obma thinks babies are punishment?  I can't believe it.  I have contri buted over $300 to his campaign. I have worked a phone bank in his honor.  No one told he thought BABYs were PUNISHment.  Well, I don;'t care anymore, wall street crumbing be darned, a war that never seems to end or pause, none of that matters now that I know he said such a heartless cruel thing.  He probably pinches kittens when no one is looking.  Thanks for the info, my head is on straight about this election now.  Whooh.


 


Goodness

I was not jumping on anyone.  I simply said that those who do not believe in Jesus would go to h*ll.  That you do not get to h*ll by just being good.  How is that being angry?  And as far as I knew, not wanting someone to go to h*ll because of their lack of belief, is the strongest form of love that you can show anyone.  These days, every one including a lot of Christians are so concerned about being politically correct and not offending anyone.  I mean come ON.  This behavior and lack of drive has gotten prayer taken out of schools and God taken out of our country. 


Just because a Christian says hey, if you are not saved, you arent going to heaven doesnt mean that they are speaking out of anger or that they are sinning.  It means they are speaking THE TRUTH.  There is no more time for sugar coating things.  This is reality and for every person that you gloss over the scripture to, it is on your head before God.  So, I will handle things the way that I feel God leads me, and leave the judgment of my actions up to you. 


Thank goodness!!! s/m
Good to see another write-in voter.  Maybe if we get enough converts to common sense we can really make a change in our government. 
goodness
I didnt read anywhere where gourdpainter said that we dont all have rights.  I didnt even see her mention minorities.  I did see her imply that someone who doesnt believe in Jesus is amoral either.  Just jump all over her for her beliefs.  Talk about being supressed and rights being violated.  She is receiving that from you.
My goodness....sm
Struck a chord somewhere with you?


Obama is no JFK. Period. JFK did have the greatness you mention, but again, Obama doesn't even come close.


Obama wants to take away your civil rights, and you're okay with that. I feel sorry for what you'll get if he's elected, by hook or crook.



If you think Obama challenging the American people to become a great socialist nation, for that's what's he doing, by any name other than socialism...., you're definitely in for a big disappointment. You have no idea what hope and change this man will wrought.


I'm not wallowing in anything at all. Interesting how you didn't dispute the fact that both JFK and BO elections were/are rigged.





(and maybe the LSD line was a bit cheap, but hey....you brought up the expanding the mind thing, not me....lol....)




p.s. I think you got that negative energy thing wrong, though. There's at least half of this nation putting out positive energy to counter all the bias that the media and blind followers have for this man. It's hardly negative. It's a big positive, and I'm willing to bet that the person who wins the White House next week, is not Obama.


Just wait till we get behind the curtain to cast our votes.

My goodness....sm
I don't think I'm even going to try to follow what has just gone on here below, as it is now almost the entire page listed....my head is spinning.... with it all.



I will say that I am glad to see both sides of the political spectrum come to the defense of others though.....I have come too late, and will just stay out of it all.



I need an aspirin now! Maybe I'll just go get some ice cream instead....or chocolate.....




oh my goodness

What silliness!!! Throngs of people demanding to see the birth certificate .... really now.


 


thank goodness..........
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Thank goodness!!
That should never, ever have been allow to go into effect in the first place.

If your personal beliefs exempt you from being able to perform your duties, then find another line of work.
My goodness,
Guess you don't understand that what happens in the U.S., in some areas, determines what happens outside the U.S. Your stance on the president doesn't need to be accountable to the citizens who pay his salary, is truly scary. Whether reported on Fox, or any other news station, we have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. O is making decisions that are going to put this country in great jeopardy. How do you not see that?
My goodness, it's so obvious
that you have blinders on!  Wake up!
Thank goodness, no more political ads! nm

))


Thank goodness my DH and I took all of our retirement
and investments out of the market about 6 weeks ago, had a feeling something was coming.
Thank goodness someone has some sense on here
Heaven forbid I bring up welfare.....crazy posters pounce on ya like you're a horrible person. Welfare is NOT for the moochers of this country and believe me, there are plenty of those. And I'll give you one more .....the welfare system wasn't just for single mothers with children; it was for single mothers who lost their jobs in the first place. Most of them around here have no jobs, have NEVER had a job, and have absolutely no desire to work. They just keep having babies, usually by several different guys who have already populated our town with many other career welfare mothers..... I'm with you. Hire MORE caseworkers who actually do their job and cut the free ride off when they find several different family members living together off the government, several NICE vehicles sitting in front of their HUD homes, everything paid for by me and then there might actually be some money for those truly in need.

All those daddies standing on the corner holding their britches up all day instead of working makes me want to puke! GET A JOB!
HCA at least has Frisk.....thank goodness!
nm
Thank goodness we got out of the market
in September. Heard Jim Cramer at that time say the economy was going to tank soon; heeded the advice and pulled out that day. O is certainly bringing hope and change to the masses, isn't he? You better hope you have some money to retire on and change your retirement plan!
My goodness - you'd better write and tell someone
Hardly quite that simple or people way smarter than you or I would have solved it. The studies on the effectiveness of preventive measures, incidentally, study people who DO participate in prevention - not those who don't.
Goodness I meant memo!

too much transcribing today!


my goodness....am I ever popular tonight....lol...
almost as much as you sam!!

When I told them to carry on, they reallllyyyyy carried on.....lol....

Gotta love those dems....
For goodness sakes...he's already put his foot
And I suppose you're okay with the comment he let slip out when he said "spread the wealth" when asked by a plumber how he was supposed to keep his business open with higher taxes, that he wouldn't be able to employ more people and would end up losing is business. Obama did not care at all. He very callously smirked and opening admitted he needs to "spread the wealth".

You do understand that concept? It means NO TAX CUTS FOR YOU but you will be seeing large sums of money being used to put more and more on the welfare payroll. He has disguised these at "tax credits". Well, got a news flash for ya. YOU won't be getting a tax credit but someone you know might be getting a paycheck for doing nothing at all.
There is NO SUCH THING. MY goodness, you people
should not take stuff so literally. Of course, there is no "pool" of any sort. Maybe that poster was joking. Lighten up!
Oh my goodness! Chillax people!

You don't even know what color my skin is so how dare you!  I feel sorry for you because obviously YOUR racism is showing.  Yes, the man hasn't even been in office for a full week but MY POINT was that even with that little amount of time....look at the huge list of promises he has made with 2 already broken.


This is not a race thing.  This is staying informed on stuff because I refuse to let government screw me again. 


Goodness seems to be routing me right back to the board

FYI gt, using vulgar language or posting pictures of vulgar hand gestures is against the rules, not that you care, but I think the board monitor is on to ya.


Thought you guys liked foul mouthed hand gesturing people.  I don't understand why you think this is some kind of ammo.


My goodness. This must be the rude anonymous dem poster...sm
. Constantly putting my posts down. Seems to be your goal in life lately.
Excuse me? My goodness, aren't we the bitter one?
of all time. The challenge he laid down to Americans put us on the moon before his 10 year prediction...an awesome feat that no doubt was accomplished within that time frame to honor his memory. His legacy is the stuff legends are made of, a view that is shared with us by people worldwide. His initiatives to advance freedom, civil rights and equality were unparalled in the history of our country, with the exception of Abraham Lincoln.

Obama inspires literally MILLIONS of Americans in much the same way and for much the same reasons that JFK did. I have no doubt that he will be the transformational leader Colin Powell predicts he will be.

Your petty pot shot about the LSD trip is hateful and uncalled for. There is no way you could have possibly been around for the 1960 election...you demonstrate the maturity of a 2-year old and the ignorance (especially regarding your ill-informed comment about the 1960 election)....well, that's another story.
The old guard is going down. It is likely not to see the light of day again for quite some time. If you want to wallow around in all that negative energy, go fo it, but you have no right to begrudge ANYBODY the right to hope.
And thank goodness California's failed; dont want
.
I read your post and thank goodness you are not in charge sm
Do you not understand that it is not okay to imprison people who are innocent? Do you not understand that his is a human rights issue that affects each and every one of us on this planet? Do you think beyond your own fears?
Answer me!

I hope you are being sarcastic - my goodness - they are kids! nm
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My goodness. O witch hunt sure is keeping you busy.
It is in its 3rd day. No comments on the discussions regarding party revamp? How about today's agenda? Keep your eye on Jindel. He did a great job in Louisiana with disaster mgmt...and GOP will be neding plenty of that in the 2008 election aftermath. Seriously, as a left-wing commie Marxist terrorist unAmerican anti-patriot, he has GOP leadership written all over him. Mayb you should take a hate break and take a look at him.
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Subject: Thinking is
> dangerous
>
>
>
>
>
> It started out innocently enough.
>
> I began to think at parties now and then -- to loosen up.
>
> Inevitably, though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than
> just a
> social thinker.
>
> I began to think alone -- to relax, I told myself -- but I knew it
> wasn't
> true.
>
> Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was thinking
> all
> the time.
>
> That was when things began to sour at home. One evening I had turned off
> the
> TV
> and asked my wife about the meaning of life.
>
> She spent that night at her mother's.
>
> I began to think on the job.
>
> I knew that thinking and em! ployment don't mix, but I couldn't stop myself.
>
> I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka.
>
> I would return to the office dizzied and confused, asking, What is it
> exactly
> we are doing here?
>
> One day the boss called me in.
>
> He said, Listen, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your
> thinking
> has
> become a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll have
> to
> find another job.
>
> This gave me a lot to think about.
>
> I came home early after my conversation with the boss.
>
> Honey, I confessed, I've been thinking...
>
> I know you've been thinking, she said, and I want a divorce!
>
> But Honey, surely it's not that serious.
>
> It is serious, she said, lower lip aquiver. You think as much as
&! gt; college
> professors, and college professors don't ! make any money, so if you keep on
> thinking, we won't have any money!
>
> That's a faulty syllogism, I said impatiently.
>
> She exploded in tears of rage and frustration, but I was in no mood to
> deal
> with
> the emotional drama.
>
> I'm going to the library, I snarled as I stomped out the door.
>
> I headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche.
>
> I roared into the parking lot with NPR on the radio and ran up to the big
> glass
> doors...
>
> They didn't open. The library was closed.
>
> To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for me that
> night.
>
> Leaning on the unfeeling glass, whimpering for Zarathustra, a poster
> caught
> my
> eye.
>
> Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life? it asked.
>
> You probably recognize that line.! It comes from the standard Thinker's
> Anonymous poster. Which is why I am what I am today: a recovering thinker.
>
> I never miss a TA meeting. At each meeting we watch a non-educational
> video;
> last week it was Porky's. Then we share experiences about how we avoided
> thinking since the last meeting.
>
> I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home.
>
> Life just seemed...easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking.
>
> I think the road to recovery is nearly complete for me.
>
> Today, I registered to vote as a Republican...
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WHAT was I thinking!!!!

I forgot only your opinion counts.  Please forgive me. 


 


Whatever was I thinking? NT

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W's thinking (or not)
W. finds time to attend the services for the VT students (as he ought), yet fails to attend a single funeral of any one of the soldiers he has sent into war; no excuse in my book. I am currently listening to the service on TV and the Governor of VA is saying how W knows **first as a governor and now as president the importance of comfort and consolation necessary in these sad times.** (paraphrased a bit) Soldiers and their families don't need comfort or consolation...that is just wrong. People who have voluntarily put their lives in danger at the behest of their president and in duty to their country are not afforded the respect of the man's (who sent them there presence??) This is not to minimize in any way the tragedy at VT. I realize that one cannot attend 3300 funerals but maybe at least 1 in each state or something. These soldiers deserved better.