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Freakanomics, Democrat, is NOT Bennett's book. sm

Posted By: sm on 2005-10-03
In Reply to: But then again, Bill Maher probably would have told him where he could...sm - Democrat

It you had read the entire article posted here and gone to Bennett's website, you would know that.  But it's easier to just run with the first bone of information and negate the facts.  If Bill Maher told Bennett to do that, he would make a fool of himself...yet again. 


If one was to say that Bill Bennett believed crime could and should be reduced by abortion, then one could also argue that liberals who support abortion believe in and advocate black genocide.

Do they really want to go there...?




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As I said below, he had been discussing Freakanomics, Democrat.

And as I said below, need he have interjected that in every sentence in the conversation?  The discussion was actually about abortion.  The entire TEXT of the conversation is posted here.  Also, this has been discussed on several talk shows and Freakanomics has been mentioned often and appropriately, but as I also said, there is no use discussing it further.  There is no arguing with most on here about it, athough there was a glimmer of hope.  Understand me, I am not dismissing his comments out of hand. I think he made a poor decision when he was making a point.  However, do I think he did it deliberately and with malice and do I think he is a racist?  Absolutely not.  THIS is racism:








What, white isn’t a color?
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, October 01, 2005
 
Things like this amuse me as they show the absolute lunacy which now exists in some areas of our society. From Northeastern University:
After originally advertising for women of color only, the Women's Studies and Graduate Consortium's first Breaking Bread: Women of Color Dialogue was forced to open the doors of the Raytheon Amphitheater to all races last Saturday.

The event was meant to include only women of color during its first session from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m., with the second session from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. open to the public. However, after protest from the Student Government Association (SGA), orders came from Provost Ahmed Abdelal that the event must remain open to all who wished to attend.

They were in violation of the nondiscrimination policy, said Michael DeRamo, SGA vice president for academic affairs. We're glad that everything turned out well and the people who wanted to go were allowed to attend.

He said although SGA appreciated what the program was trying to accomplish, SGA could not stand dormant while one of their senators was denied admission based on her race.
OK, you say. Good deal. Now, check out the reaction:
I think it's a shame that one or two white students based on white privilege, a lack of awareness of racial issues and a lack of generosity of spirit complained to the office of the provost and were able, because they were white, to gain admission to the morning session that I was forced to open up, Chandler said. Only one white female student showed up and I welcomed her anyway, in addition to telling the audience to conduct themselves with integrity even though the presence of a white woman was unwelcome.
Is your irony meter pegging out yet? Talk about Newspeak. Protesting discrimination is now lack of awareness of racial issues and a lack of generosity of spirit.

Protesting discrimination now apparently only belongs to 'people of color'.

Just as interesting is this group seems to believe it can solve racial issues without involving all the races.

Oh and the condescension was almost dripping when this person said I welcomed her ... even though the presence of a white woman was unwelcome.

Sounds like a stereotypical southerner in the immediate post-civil rights south, doesn't it?


Personal note: You won't see this in the MSM.


THIS is racist:


In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture. -- Harry Belafonte


THIS is racist:


He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black. -- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage


THIS is racist:


I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state .... The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities. -- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the conscience of the Senate, in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.


THIS is racist:


I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years. -- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, Inside The White House


THIS is egregiously racist:


I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a n*gger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America. Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess


And THIS is racist:


There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said, ‘Well, George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of. -- Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace (1959)


It's about the Freakanomics.

Bennett Fires Back Against Racism Charges


Saturday, October 01, 2005



WASHINGTON — Former Education Secretary William Bennett (search), harshly criticized by Democrats and repudiated by the White House for a comment he made suggesting that, in theory, crime would go down if more black babies were aborted, fired back at his critics Friday.


Anyone paying attention to this debate should be offended by those who have selectively quoted me, distorted my meaning, and taken out of context the dialogue I engaged in this week. Such distortions from 'leaders' of organizations and parties is a disgrace not only to the organizations and institutions they serve, but to the First Amendment (search), Bennett said.


Let me reiterate what I had hoped my long career had already established: that I renounce all forms of bigotry — and that my record in trying to provide opportunities for, as well as save the lives of, minorities in this country stands up just fine, he added.


The conservative author, columnist and talk-radio host touched off a firestorm on Wednesday when a caller to his Morning in America show postulated that if abortion were illegal, Social Security would remain solvent.


Bennett raised questions about the caller's premise, saying that according to that logic, the argument in the book Freakonomics — that allowing abortion reduces crime — would be equally valid.


Referring to the book's hypothesis, Bennett told the caller, I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.


Bennett continued: That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do. But your crime rate would go down.


Bennett's remarks on Wednesday earned him scorn from Democratic lawmakers.


He's assuming that if you did this immoral thing, it would bring down crime and that is a possible solution, Rep. Charles Rangel (search), D-N.Y., told FOX News. A good-thinking guy that is a former secretary of education could give the hypothetical that if you expose people to education, then you would alleviate the conditions that cause crime, he said.


It again raises the specter of the not-so-subtle politics of race represented by 'Willie Horton,' welfare queens and the conclusion that America would be better off if Strom Thurmond had been successful in 1948, said House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland.


These are shameful words, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California said on the floor of the House Thursday evening. Secretary Bennett's comments reflect a narrow-minded spirit that has no place within American discourse. These words do not give credence to the tremendously difficult past that African-Americans have endured. These words do not reflect the values of hope and opportunity for the future.


Asked for White House reaction to the remarks, press secretary Scott McClellan said Friday, The president believes the comments were not appropriate.


Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said of the White House comment: Not appropriate is wearing white shoes after Labor Day. These comments were reprehensible and racist.


Lautenberg was introducing a resolution in the Senate calling on the chamber to condemn Bennett's comments.


The Subtleties of Race Relations


Bennett was education secretary under President Reagan and director of drug control policy when President Bush's father was president.


In discussing crime and race on his show, Bennett later said those are topics that have been on many people's minds, and tongues, for the past month or so in light of the situation in New Orleans.


Many in public policy have speculated about the slow response to Hurricane Katrina, which struck more than a month ago, by the federal government, with much of the blame laid at Bush's feet. Several suggestions had been made that the president's response was delayed because those suffering most in New Orleans were poor and black.


The latest rhetorical slams were expanded last week at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation Conference when Rangel likened Bush to the late Bull Connor, the Birmingham, Ala., commissioner of public safety who had his workers turn fire hoses and police dogs on African-Americans demonstrating against segregation laws in 1963.


Rangel said Bennett, like Bush, could find solutions for impoverished black Americans if they bothered to address poverty issues.


If the United States spent nearly as much time on poverty as they did in Iraq, we could solve some of the racial problems, Rangel said, adding that he did not think Bush is racist like Connor but that the president's economic policies are so adverse to the questions of poverty that he was hoping Bush's indifference to the plight of black Americans would shake up the country the way that Bull Connor did.


On Thursday, Bennett, author of The Book of Virtues, told FOX News that his remarks were to be viewed from the specter of academia and philosophic argument.


To put forward a hypothesis, a morally impossible hypothesis, to show why it is morally impossible and reprehensible, seems to me is a standard way of talking about public policy and a standard way of teaching, he said.


The article posted is not the complete conversation. Ever hear of Freakanomics? sm
That has a lot to do with the conversation. As usual, the MSM left out significant parts of what was said.  No surprise there.
Im not mean..Bennett is
I think the person who is mean is Bennett.  How would you like to be a black person hearing him say that..that to abort black babies would reduce/stop crime?  For pete sake.  He is not a straight thinking person, if he was he would not have singled out a whole ethnic group of people stating we could abort them.  Also, if he was a straight thinking person, he would realize this is gonna start trouble in America, people are gonna get mad, people are gonna be asking for his head, people are going to be calling for him to lose his radio show, which they now are and also it is going to reinforce the opinion of many that republicans are a white persons political group.  You cant say these kind of things, cause it is just not right.  All people, no matter what color, creed, religion have their criminals and good.  That is why he is not a straight thinking man.  It is an inflammatory remark.  I dont know where you reside but out here we have towns called Compton and Watts, mostly black areas, and the tension there is quite palpable.  Those are the areas that erupted in riots after the Rodney King beating in the 1990's.  All people have to hear is this remark and it can incite rage, especially after New Orleans and the feeling that maybe they were not rescued because they were minorities..even if not true, these feelings are raw and ready to blow.  His remark is as stupid as the remark from Robertson about Chavez..you just dont say those kinds of things in a civilized society..Bennett can think whatever he wants but you most certainly dont say it on radio. 
WH criticizes Bennett..
Wow..even WH criticizes Bennett for his comments..guess now the neocons will stop defending Bennetts comments and stop posting their feeble defense on the liberal board..

 



White House criticizes Bennett for comments


Ex-education secretary tied crime rate to aborting black babies




 




Updated: 11:07 a.m. ET Sept. 30, 2005

WASHINGTON - The White House on Friday criticized former Education Secretary William Bennett for remarks linking the crime rate and the abortion of black babies.


“The president believes the comments were not appropriate,” White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.


Bennett, on his radio show, “Morning in America,” was answering a caller’s question when he took issue with the hypothesis put forth in a recent book that one reason crime is down is that abortion is up.




 

“But I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down,” said Bennett, author of “The Book of Virtues.”


He went on to call that “an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.”


Democrats demand apology
On Thursday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats demanded that Bennett apologize for the remarks.


Responding later to criticism, Bennett said his comments had been mischaracterized and that his point was that the idea of supporting abortion to reduce crime was “morally reprehensible.”


On his show Thursday, Bennett, who opposes abortion, said he was “pointing out that abortion should not be opposed for economic reasons any more than racism ... should be supported or opposed for economic reasons. Immoral policies are wrong because they are wrong, not because of an economic calculation.”


Reid, D-Nev., said he was “appalled by Mr. Bennett’s remarks” and called on him “to issue an immediate apology not only to African Americans but to the nation.”


Rep. Raum Emanuel, D-Ill., said in a statement, “At the very time our country yearns for national unity in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, these comments reflect a spirit of hate and division.”


© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

UGLY BENNETT









Ugly Bennett

Hit on 'abort every black baby' gaffe










William Bennett
Morality maven William Bennett was in holier-than-thou hell yesterday after the White House and just about everybody else blasted him for saying the crime rate could be reduced by aborting every black baby in this country.

The best-selling author of The Book of Virtues insisted he was no racist and refused to apologize.

I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition, Bennett said on his Morning in America radio show.

But the Bush administration quickly distanced itself from the cultural conservative. The President believes the comments were not appropriate, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

While Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats demanded that Bennett apologize, NAACP chief Bruce Gordon said he was personally offended and angry that Bennett felt he could make such a public statement with impunity.

The Rev. Al Sharpton called the conservative's comments blatantly racist. He's a man who thinks black and crime are synonymous, he said.

But Bennett was defended by his brother, high-powered Washington lawyer Robert Bennett.

What I would emphasize is that he called this morally reprehensible, the lawyer told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. I think it's largely making a mountain out of a molehill.

Responding to a caller on Wednesday's radio program, Bennett said he disagreed with the hypothesis put forward in another best seller, Freakonomics, that crime goes down as abortions go up.

But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down, said Bennett.

Bennett, a Republican who opposes abortion, then added that this would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.

Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything links the drop in crime to a drop in the number of children born into poverty after Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion. But authors Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner did not assume that those aborted fetuses would have been black.

Race is not in any way central to our arguments about abortion and crime, Levitt wrote on his blog yesterday.

The Brooklyn-reared Bennett was education secretary under President Ronald Reagan and the nation's first drug czar under the first President George Bush. A darling of the religious right, Bennett's credentials as moralizer-in-chief were tarnished two years ago when he admitted he had a gambling problem.


Dumb's the word


What William Bennett said:

But I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.

Originally published on September 30, 2005


Because Bennett's *values* match their own.

They must be very confused by the WH's response.  Probably don't know what they're allowed to *think* about this.


My hunch, based on their own posts, is that at this moment in time, they'd all vote for Bennett because his inner prejudices and hatred match their own.


So you have nothing to offer when it comes to defending Bennett's statements...sm
as you posted earlier that they were taken out of context. When asked to enlighten us on the context, you instead want to take Zauber to task. I know why, because there is no defense for these statements and a sound minded person wouldn't even try. Even the dupes on capitol hill are criticizing the statements.
What exactly was Bennett's point in making this comment?
I guess one could say that statistically he could be somewhat right, but then you could also say that since North Dakota has the hightest alcoholism rate that perhaps we could hypothesize the elimination of all North Dakotans, or all Alaskans since it has the highest illicit drug use rate.  Yes, one could break down all the social ills of our country by region or ethnicity and make assumptions and point fingers but what is the point?  It seems to me his ethically tactless comment serves to inflame a great racial and socioeconomic divide in this country.
I am sure it has something to do with the fact that Coombs knows Bennett is not a racist. nm

You can't rightly theorize when you still don't understand what Bennett was saying. sm
And you don't, or won't. 
Parents want to abort Bennett's 3M pact
Parents want to abort Bennett's $3M pact

By MENSAH M. DEAN
deanm@phillynews.com

Philadelphia parents and education activists are
demanding that the city school district end the $3
million contract it awarded in April to K12 Inc., in
light of controversial remarks the company's board
chairman made this week about aborting black babies.

William J. Bennett, chairman of the board of the
Washington-area education company and a former U.S.
Education Secretary, set off protests with remarks he
made during his nationally syndicated radio talk show
Wednesday.

Responding to a caller, Bennett took issue with the
hypothesis put forth in a recent book that one reason
crime is down is that abortion is up. Bennett said:
If you wanted to reduce crime, you could - if that
were your sole purpose - you could abort every black
baby in this country and your crime rate would go
down.

That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally
reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would
go down, Bennett said.

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan yesterday
said The president believes the comments were not
appropriate.

Bennett later said his comments had been
mischaracterized and that his point was that the idea
of supporting abortion to reduce crime was morally
reprehensible.

Though some of the Philadelphia school district's top
science teachers raised concerns about K12's
qualifications and experience, the district awarded
the company the contract to supply kindergarten
through third-grade science curriculum materials in
April.

I find it hard to see any explanation for why they're
here in Philadelphia educating many of the black
children Mr. Bennett clearly finds it provocative to
call expendable, said Helen Gym, a mother of a
district third-grader.

I am very rarely struck speechless anymore. However,
I could not get words out of my mouth this morning
when I realized that my school district is somehow
providing support to this company, said Ellayne
Bender, mother of a district 11th-grader.

On a moral level, as a human being, Bender added, I
would like to see the contract voided.

Last fall, Bennett publicly touted district schools
CEO Paul Vallas as a good candidate to become the next
U.S. Secretary of Education. Last night, however,
Vallas stepped away from the man with whom he had been
cordial.

I read his comments, and his comments are outrageous
and offensive to all of us, Vallas said of Bennett.
We do not have a relationship with Bill Bennett. Our
contract is with K12, who are doing an excellent job
in our schools. In my opinion, any extension of the
contract could be jeopardized by his continued
presence on the board.

The length of the contract was not immediately known.

Bennett was education secretary under President Reagan
and director of drug control policy when Bush's father
was president.


Read on down. Some posters below are defending Bennett's remarks...sm
so while you may feel they are wrong, which I think the white house was right to condemn them. BENNETT having served in two high positions, Secretary of education and over drugs under Bush Sr with these views, is worrisome.

I think his true *colors* are shining through.
If anyone is dividing America it is Bennett by his remarks and Bush
No, Im not trying to defend the democratic party or help with dividing this country.  Bennetts remarks have nothing to do with political parties, they have to do with insensitive hurtful hateful remarks made by him..I divide the black white community?  I beg your pardon, I have always associated with minorities in America.  I have lived side by side with them, dated them, married one of them and I will continue to care for the minorities..the white republican capitalists do not need my support nor do they deserve my support..
Media Matters...William Bennett Audio...sm

You'd have to hear it yourself to get the correct context.  The caller was not even talking about reducing the crime rate, Bennett brought this up out of the blue, and he says I do know... before he made the comment, NOT making a reference to Freakonomics but his own opinion.


From the September 28 broadcast of Salem Radio Network's Bill Bennett's Morning in America:



CALLER: I noticed the national media, you know, they talk a lot about the loss of revenue, or the inability of the government to fund Social Security, and I was curious, and I've read articles in recent months here, that the abortions that have happened since Roe v. Wade, the lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30-something years, could fund Social Security as we know it today. And the media just doesn't -- never touches this at all.


BENNETT: Assuming they're all productive citizens?


CALLER: Assuming that they are. Even if only a portion of them were, it would be an enormous amount of revenue.


BENNETT: Maybe, maybe, but we don't know what the costs would be, too. I think as -- abortion disproportionately occur among single women? No.


CALLER: I don't know the exact statistics, but quite a bit are, yeah.


BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well --


CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate.


BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.


Bennett and Ralph Reed sitting in a tree.. B-E-T-T-I-N-G
Reed fought ban on betting
Anti-gambling bill was defeated


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/02/05

Ralph Reed, who has condemned gambling as a cancer on the American body politic, quietly worked five years ago to kill a proposed ban on Internet wagering — on behalf of a company in the online gambling industry.


Reed, now a Republican candidate for lieutenant governor of Georgia, helped defeat the congressional proposal despite its strong support among many Republicans and conservative religious groups. Among them: the national Christian Coalition organization, which Reed had left three years earlier to become a political and corporate consultant.


A spokesman for Reed said the political consultant fought the ban as a subcontractor to Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff's law firm. But he said Reed did not know the specific client that had hired Abramoff: eLottery Inc., a Connecticut-based company that wants to help state lotteries sell tickets online — an activity the gambling measure would have prohibited.


Reed declined to be interviewed for this article. His aides said he opposed the legislation because by exempting some types of online betting from the ban, it would have allowed online gambling to flourish. Proponents counter that even a partial ban would have been better than no restrictions at all.


Anti-gambling activists say they never knew that Reed, whom they once considered an ally, helped sink the proposal in the House of Representatives. Now some of them, who criticized other work Reed performed on behalf of Indian tribes that own casinos, say his efforts on eLottery's behalf undermine his image as a champion of public morality, which he cultivated as a leader of the religious conservative movement in the 1980s and '90s.


It flies in the face of the kinds of things the Christian Coalition supports, said the Rev. Cynthia Abrams, a United Methodist Church official in Washington who coordinates a group of gambling opponents who favored the measure. They support family values. Stopping gambling is a family concern, particularly Internet gambling.


Reed's involvement in the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 2000, never previously reported, comes to light as authorities in Washington scrutinize the lobbying activities of Abramoff, a longtime friend who now is the target of several federal investigations.


The eLottery episode echoes Reed's work against a lottery, video poker and casinos in Alabama, Louisiana and Texas: As a subcontractor to two law firms that employed Abramoff, Reed's anti-gambling efforts were funded by gambling interests trying to protect their business.


After his other work with Abramoff was revealed, Reed asserted that he was fighting the expansion of gambling, regardless of who was paying the bills. And he said that, at least in some cases, his fees came from the nongaming income of Abramoff's tribal clients, a point that mollified his political supporters who oppose gambling. With the eLottery work, however, Reed has not tried to draw such a distinction.


By working against the Internet measure, Reed played a part in defeating legislation that sought to control a segment of the gambling industry that went on to experience prodigious growth.


Since 2001, the year after the proposed ban failed, annual revenue for online gambling companies has increased from about $3.1 billion worldwide to an estimated $11.9 billion this year, according to Christiansen Capital Advisers, a New York firm that analyzes market data for the gambling industry.


Through a spokesman, Abramoff declined to comment last week on his work with Reed for eLottery.


Federal records show eLottery spent $1.15 million to fight the anti-gambling measure during 2000. Of that, $720,000 went to Abramoff's law firm at the time, Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds of Washington. According to documents filed with the secretary of the U.S. Senate, Preston Gates represented no other client on the legislation.


Reed's job, according to his campaign manager, Jared Thomas, was to produce a small run of direct mail and other small media efforts to galvanize religious conservatives against the 2000 measure. Aides declined to provide reporters with examples of Reed's work. Nor would Thomas disclose Reed's fees.


Since his days with the Christian Coalition, Reed consistently has identified himself as a gambling opponent. Speaking at a National Press Club luncheon in Washington in 1996, for instance, Reed called gambling a cancer and a scourge that was responsible for orphaning children ... [and] turning wives into widows.


But when the online gambling legislation came before Congress in 2000, Reed took no public position on the measure, aides say.


In 2004, Reed told the National Journal, a publication that covers Washington politics, that his policy was to turn down work paid for by casinos. In that interview, he did not address working for other gambling interests.


Some anti-gambling activists reject Reed's contention that he didn't know his work against the measure benefited a company that could profit from online gambling.


It slips over being disingenuous, said the Rev. Tom Grey, executive director of the National Coalition Against Legalized Gambling, who worked for the gambling ban. Jack Abramoff was known as 'Casino Jack' at the time. If Jack's doling out tickets to this feeding trough, for Ralph to say he didn't know — I don't believe that.


A well-kept secret


When U.S. Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) first introduced the Internet gambling ban, in 1997, he named among its backers the executive director of the Christian Coalition: Ralph Reed.


In remarks published in the Congressional Record, Goodlatte said, This legislation is supported ... across the spectrum, from Ralph Reed to Ralph Nader.


But Reed's role in the ban's failure three years later was a well-kept secret, even from Goodlatte. That's in part because Reed's Duluth-based Century Strategies — a public affairs firm that avoids direct contact with members of Congress — is not subject to federal lobbying laws that would otherwise require the company to disclose its activities.


We were not aware that Reed was working against our bill, Kathryn Rexrode, a spokeswoman for Goodlatte, said last week.


Several large conservative religious organizations, with which Reed often had been aligned before leaving the Christian Coalition in 1997, joined together to support the legislation. Those groups included the Southern Baptist Convention, the United Methodist Church, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council — and the Christian Coalition.


In addition, four prominent evangelical leaders signed a letter in May 2000 urging Congress to pass the legislation: James Dobson of Focus on the Family; Pat Robertson of the Christian Coalition; Jerry Falwell, formerly of the Moral Majority; and Charles Donovan of the Family Research Council.


Among the other supporters: the National Association of Attorneys General, Major League Baseball and the National Association of Convenience Stores, whose members are among the largest lottery ticket sellers.


Opponents, in addition to eLottery and other gambling interests, included the Clinton administration, which argued that existing federal laws were sufficient to combat the problem. In a policy statement, the administration predicted the measure would open a floodgate for other forms of illegal gambling.


To increase the measure's chances of passage, its sponsors had added provisions that would have allowed several kinds of online gambling — including horse and dog racing and jai alai — to remain legal.


Thomas, Reed's campaign manager, said in a statement last week that those exceptions amounted to an expansion of online gambling: Under the bill, a minor with access to a computer could have bet on horses and gambled at a casino online.


Thomas' statement claimed that the Southern Baptists and the Christian Coalition opposed the legislation for the same reason as Reed.


Actually, the Southern Baptist Convention lent its name to the group of religious organizations that backed the legislation. But as the measure progressed, the convention became uncomfortable with the exceptions and quietly spread the word that it was neutral, a spokesman said last week.


As for the Christian Coalition, it argued against the exceptions before the vote. But it issued an action alert two days after the ban's defeat, urging its members to call Congress and demand the legislation be reconsidered and passed.


In fact, the letter signed by the four evangelical leaders indicated a bargain had been reached with the Christian Coalition and other religious groups. In exchange for accepting minor exemptions for pari-mutuel wagering, the evangelicals got what they wanted most — a ban on lottery ticket sales over the Internet. Other anti-gambling activists say the exceptions disappointed them But they accepted the measure as an incremental approach to reining in online gambling.


We all recognized it wasn't perfect, Abrams, the Methodist official, said last week. We decided we weren't going to let the best be the enemy of the good.


Any little thing, she said in an earlier interview, would have been a victory.


Plans to expand


Founded in 1993, eLottery has provided online services to state lotteries in Idaho, Indiana and Maryland and to the national lottery in Jamaica, according to its Web site. It had plans to expand its business by facilitating online ticket sales, effectively turning every home computer with an Internet connection into a lottery terminal.


The president of eLottery's parent company, Edwin McGuinn, did not respond to recent requests for an interview. Earlier this year, he told The Washington Post that by banning online lottery ticket sales, the 2000 legislation would have put eLottery out of business. We wouldn't have been able to operate, the Post quoted McGuinn as saying.


Even with Abramoff and other lobbyists arguing against the measure, and Reed generating grass-roots opposition to it, a solid majority of House members voted for the measure in July 2000.


But that wasn't enough. House rules required a two-thirds majority for expedited passage, so the legislation died.


In addition to hiring Abramoff's firm to lobby for the measure's defeat, eLottery paid $25,000 toward a golfing trip to Scotland that Abramoff arranged for Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) — then the House majority whip, later the majority leader — several weeks before the gambling measure came up for a vote, according to the Post. Another $25,000 for the trip came from the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, an Abramoff client with casino interests, the Post reported. The trip, which is under review by the House Ethics Committee, was not related to DeLay's indictment on a conspiracy charge last week.


The campaign against the Internet gambling ban was one of several successful enterprises in which Abramoff and Reed worked together.


The Choctaws paid for Reed's work in 1999 and 2000 to defeat a lottery and video poker legislation in Alabama. In 2001 and 2002, another Abramoff client that operates a casino, the Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana, put up the money for Reed's efforts in Louisiana and Texas to eliminate competition from other tribes. Reed was paid about $4 million for that work.


Abramoff, once one of Washington's most influential lobbyists, now is under federal indictment in a Florida fraud case and is facing investigations by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee and the Justice Department into whether he defrauded Indian tribes he represented, including those that paid Reed's fees. Reed has not been accused of wrongdoing.


Reed and Abramoff have been friends since the early 1980s. That's when Abramoff, as chairman of the national College Republicans organization, hired Reed to be his executive director. Later, Reed introduced Abramoff to the woman he married.


In an interview last month about his consulting business, Reed declined to elaborate on his personal and professional relationships with Abramoff. At one point, Reed was asked if Abramoff had hired him to work for clients other than Indian tribes.


Reed's answer: Not that I can recall.












 
 









 
Find this article at:
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/1005/02reed.html
 


*Compassionate Conservative* Bill Bennett: Abort every black baby, reduce crime.


William Bennett Defends Comment on Abortion and Crime


'Book of Virtues' Author Says Hypothetical Remark Was Valid


By JAKE TAPPER



- After pondering on his radio program how aborting every black infant in America would affect crime rates, best-selling author and self-styled Values Czar Bill Bennett is vehemently denying he is a racist and defending his willingness to speak publicly about race and crime.

On the Wednesday edition of his radio show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, syndicated by Salem Radio Network, a caller raised the theory that Social Security is in danger of becoming insolvent because legalized abortion has reduced the number of tax-paying citizens. Bennett said economic arguments should never be employed in discussions of moral issues.

If it were your sole purpose to reduce crime, Bennett said, You could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.

That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down, he added.


Outrage From Democrats


Bennett was secretary of education for President Ronald Reagan and is considered one of the Republican Party's big brains. But this week Democrats and some Republicans seemed to also question if Bennett's mouth is of size as well.

Democrats expressed outrage, ranging from demands for an apology to requests that the Federal Communications Commission suspend Bennett's show.

Republicans, Democrats and all Americans of good will should denounce this statement, should distance themselves from Mr. Bennett, said Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr., D-Ill. And the private sector should not support Mr. Bennett's radio show or his comments on the air.

I'm not even going to comment on something that disgusting, said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. Really, I'm thinking of my black grandchild and I'm going to hold (off).


'Things That People Are Thinking'


In an interview with ABC News, Bennett said that anyone who knows him knows he isn't racist. He said he was merely extrapolating from the best-selling book Freakonomics, which posits the hypothesis that falling crimes rates are related to increased abortion rates decades ago. It would have worked for, you know, single-parent moms; it would have worked for male babies, black babies, Bennett said. So why immediately bring up race when discussing crime rates? There was a lot of discussion about race and crime in New Orleans, Bennett said. There was discussion – a lot of it wrong – but nevertheless, media jumping on stories about looting and shooting and gangs and roving gangs and so on.

There's no question this is on our minds, Bennett said. What I do on our show is talk about things that people are thinking … we don't hesitate to talk about things that are touchy.

Bennett said, I'm sorry if people are hurt, I really am. But we can't say this is an area of American life (and) public policy that we're not allowed to talk about – race and crime.

Robert George, an African-American, Republican editorial writer for the New York Post, agrees that Bennett's comments were not meant as racist. But he worries they feed into stereotypes of Republicans as insensitive. His overall point about not making broad sociological claims and so forth, that was a legitimate point, George said. But it seems to me someone with Bennett's intelligence … should know better the impact of his words and sort of thinking these things through before he speaks.

The blunt-spoken Bennett has ruffled feathers before, most recently in 2003 for revelations that despite his best-selling books about virtue and values, he is a high-rolling preferred customer at Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos.

In light of accusations that the Bush administration should have been more sensitive to black victims of Hurricane Katrina, a Republican official told ABC News that Bennett's comments were probably as poorly timed as they were politically incorrect.

ABC News' Avery Miller, Karen Travers and Toni L. Wilson contributed to this report.



or maybe a BOOK

try one.  You might like.


 


Bible not bad book at all...
...and should have its basic tenets taught right alongside of those of the Qur'an and the holy books of all other major world religions. Students of any age who wish to read the Bible in my opinion should certainly be able to do so anytime they wish. Same for all other holy/religious writings. A person's education really isn't complete without a fundamental understanding of all of the religions that shape our world.

I would however sign any petition that forces anyone to do anything in the spirit of indoctrination or exclusion, or against any requirement that implies that THIS is the one true holy book and you WILL read it even if your negligent atheist going-to-hell-parents wouldn't force you to do it at home (and we're coming for them soon too - better join us if you know what's good for you). Unfortunately that is how this kind of requirement is perceived by many people in our current political climate - including me. And unfortunately, I believe this is exactly the attitude held by those who try to force such requirements into the public schools.

I don't think it qualifies as a "random act of kindness" - but rather as a deliberate act of religious supremacism.


I can see the title of her next book now...sm
*The Liberals Took My Voting Rights.* She's such a nutjob!
But every book she writes goes to #1. sm
She is unbelievably wealthy and she can always fall back on her law degree.  I don't think she is hurting. 
Woodward's book

Cannot wait to read Woodward's new book, however, most of us with eyes wide open have known this even before Bush's war.


YIPES!  Foley..what were you thinking?  Do as I say, not as I do? 

Concerning Chavez's remarks.  What better place to scream and holler than at the UN?  There have been many heated debates and speeches over the years.  Secondly, America, land of freedom and free speech, even for foreigners.  I have no problems with what Chavez said, in fact, I agree with him.  The democratic leaders who spoke out against Chavez and defended the president need to realize that if the shoe was on the other foot, do they actually think Bush, Cheney, Rove, Snow, Rice, Rumsfeld would defend them?  Republicans play dirty, there is proof of that all around, Democrats try not to, however, it has gotten us no where.  It is time to play as dirty as the other side.  Chavez did not state lies, he stated the truth.  If you do not agree, explain then our foreign policy for the last 50+ years, explain our presence in Iraq, even as most Iraqi's are wanting us out or dead.  Bringing Democracy to Iraq, oh please. You cannot force an ideology on people with the barrel of a gun.  When we do leave Iraq, whenever that is, it will not resemble any type of Democracy that we have ever seen.  We have given a gift to Iran with our invasion of Iraq.


 


Book Proceeds
Yep, was just posting information. Funneling the money to the kids is a way to get the book published. I am sure there are under-the-counter things going on, and I figure the Brown and Goldman families will tie it up anyway as well they should. As to those poor kids...I don't know if there are anough couches in the US to fix them. And that sociopath father of theirs could not care less. If he cared one whit about those kids he would not have murdered their mother and left her mutilated body lying on the sidewalk for them to possibly find. Sick, sick puppy.
That is unsubstantiated....out of a book some...
guy wrote who said "three Arizona reports on condition of anonymity" told him they overheard it. Chalk this one up to unsubstantiated rumor in my books. If someone knows of a link where McCain admitted this, I would be interested in it. If it is true, she should have slapped the cr*p out of him. I am not so naive as to think that other Presidents have not called their wives foul names and vice versa. I can just imagine during the Clinton years.... lol ....remember all the unsubstantiated rumors about Hillary using the "F" word to the secret service people and calling them all kinds of names? I think that is what is happening here. Any time someone says they speak on condition of anonymity makes me suspicious out of the gate.
Book banning VP?

 


If SP tried to ban library books as mayor, what will she do if she becomes president, which is very likely since JM is not healthy. Isn't there something in the bill of rights about freedom of speech?  I am a book lover and this really makes me angry.


http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html


Former Mayor John] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.


I would like to suggest a book.....
"People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck, MD - excellent book and he makes reference to several other books that are good reads. This book is about the true meaning of evil - from a scientific perspective. It is not about "possession" but he participated in a few exorcisms performed by many people of different faiths, he said (and don't quote me) that the basic requirement was just that the participants love the afflicted enough to want to help them. He states that "possession" is extremely rare, but he witnessed it up close and personal when the patient was thought to be mentally ill. I have owned this book for years and every time I lend out my copy and don't get it back, another one presents itself at a yard sale, library book sale, whatever.
You really should read a book about his...
career. And then you should read on his website what he proposes for this country. And then you should read up on socialism. Not saying that to be demeaning. I don't think he is a socialist...I KNOW he is a socialist.
book smart isn't everything
I've known a lot of educated people who don't know a thing about real life. Need some life experience and common sense to go anywhere.
The book has been widely

vetted. It is regarded as trash by all other than extreme right thinkers. The author made 8 corrections in the second print already. that was only weeks after publication.  I have a great idea.  Instead of insisting people wear flag pins let us change this country back to the democracy  we can be proud off. The country is based on inspiring ideas.  Internal change is much more legit than external.  How you ask.  I myself am working for my candidate in my community to spread the word.  We are successfully awakening the spirit of the nation.  We have gathered hundreds of young voters and driven them to the polling place to register and vote.  The sleeping giant is stirring and a youthful new leader has emerged to restore us to the greatest nation in history.  If you don't believe me, check out this morning's edition of Vast Variety, the newspaper of those in the know.


 


No, because she had not written a book about one of the...
participants and it is in her best book selling interest if he WINS. She makes no secret she supports him. A moderator is supposed to be NEUTRAL.
Perhaps because the book has only now come to light....
I didn't know about the book until now. The point being...it is known about now, she knew it then, she should not have taken the job. What if they had chosen Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter? Would that be okay with you? Geez.
I must have missed that book
in the bible that calls for voting for McCain/Palin. I'll have to look again.

I believe Jesus was a radical, but I still don't see where he calls for a specific candidate.
history book??
Revelations?? Give me an enormous break. Even the stuff that is pseudo-historical is more like little kids playing telephone. Revelations works better as a sci-fi novel than as a history book. & anyway, since when are predictions anything like history? What, the "history" of a bunch of people guessing some stuff? Good grief. This is why I really despise Christianity. You have to embrace the concept of satan, evil, the anti-christ, all those hideous concepts, in order to be a true believer. It's fine to believe whatever you like, just make sure your right to believe stops at my right not to be infringed upon by some fairy tale.
The one who is going to write a book
for our country and how he kept our country safe for the last 7 years from terrorists. He could not state it while he was in office, but now he can write a whole book about him being in office. I felt much more secure with Bush than I will with O as he still scares me.
no history book here
just internet babble.  I can copy/paste too! 
Pretty much the whole book..........sm
of Revelation. All those who stand against God will be destroyed in the battle of Armageddon. Revelation 21:10 describes the new Jerusalem as it will be after the battle and all is settled.


Ridiculous Book of the Year

OMG, even the republicans have to speak out against this..OMG, what is going on?


 


ARidiculous Book of the Year


Saturday Funnies


You would think JohnFive in the noggin Gibson, a man who wished that Karl Rove received a medal for outing Valerie Plame and other idiotic takes on the world was going to write a book it would be about something a little more important than: The War on Christmas


Jesus General wrote his Amazon review of the book here and found some hysterical Freeper reviews.


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Even O'Reilly made fun of him by saying that his title was Coultersque. John actually said there are children who don't know what a Christmas tree is. What's the number John-two? The horror. oh...Heaven help us!


The reviews are bad on Amazon for this book...sm
Here's one of the shorter reviews I found interesting.

*Gibson has managed to accomplish what many have tried but few have accomplished; namely, to redefine a commonly used word. In this case, Gibson has somehow managed to define oppression as lack of monopoly. According to Gibson, the continued existence of non-Christians during the winter holidays constitutes oppression of Christianity. Never mind, of course, that the Christian religion probably holds the all-time world record for being oppressed less than any other major religion; it had a remarkably easy road to hegemony. With this book, Gibson hopes to make any non-Christian terrified to express any religious sentiment other than that of the power base.*



Call Ann and see if she needs a book stockman..sm
You two should get along nicely.
The Democrats did not write this book.

A man who calls himself a **Christian conservative** did. He was I believe the #2 man on the **faith-based initiative program.** His name is David Kuo. He is a Republican. I think he will be on 60 minutes tonight. I have seen a couple of recognizable names from the Christian right denounce the white house after hearing some of the things Kuo writes. I am anxious to hear what Kuo himself says.


I am a Christian and I do not feel stiffled at all about voting.


From Obama's book..... pandering to who???

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."-Truth!
This is an accurate quote from the introduction to Dreams from My Father.  The book chronicles Obama's experience as the son of an African father and an American mother.


It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."-Truth!
This one is also from Dreams from My Father.  It is from a section when Obama was a college student and wrestling with his identity including as an African-American.  The quote describes his observation of what was required among his fellow students.


"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."-Truth!
This is from Dreams from my Father.  The more complete quote is, ""Yes, I’d seen weakness in other men— Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."


 


What if McCain wrote a book
And in his biography, he made statements like not ingratiating myself to blacks.

Showing loyalty to the white masses

Or made a statement saying I never emulate black or brown men.....

Do you think there would be any chance he'd be a presidential candidate right now?

If McCain wrote a book, this is what it would say sm
McCain's book would say this:
Chapter One:
I am an admiral's son. I was a POW for 5 years. My wife waited for me and I ditched her when I got home for Cindy. A month after my divorce, I married Cindy the botox queen who bobs her head and makes $100 million a year. I don't want to be her little houseboy so I'm trying to be president so she can be proud and I can help all her corporate friends.

I'm skanky and old and I follow what GW Bush says and does, although now that he tanked our country, I'm trying to backpedal on that until after the election. Right now we are trying to figure out how to steal votes in a less sleazy fashion than the past 2 elections. We have the power and we aren't giving it up easily.

My worst idea ever was getting Sarah Palin but I cannot admit mistakes so now I just go and defend her before anyone even opens their mouths. I say ISN'T SHE GREAT, while inside I'm kicking myself. She made me lose long time republicans. I know if I die after hopefully being elected the big bad repubs will impeach her butt in a heartbeat. Speaking of heartbeat, I'm sorry I slobbered and gasped so much during the debate last night. I don't want my supporters to think I'm sick...I was just trying to distract people who were listening to Obie. He is really stealing the show.

I don't know why the Hillary supporters don't like Palin. Do you suppose they aren't as dumb as I'd hoped? I was hoping they would be satisfied with those 2 having as little in common as labia majora and a a vijayjay. Oh well. Can't please everyone.

By the way, did you know Palin's husband belonged to a fringe group that tried to get Alaska to secede from the Union? That will be the grounds to impeach her if I kick the bucket. Oh heck yeah, we good ole boys have it all figured out.

Anyone have a clue why Jackson Brown, Survivor, Heart and all those other bands won't let me use their music? I sure can't ask the Dixie Chicks now can I?

Ain't it a shame how everyone came down on them girls for speaking against Bush when they were 100 percent right? Whoops, well I can say that now that I'm trying to distance myself from the C student whose daddy got him into Yale. But he is a rich boy and I only hang with rich boys.

Let's see now. One more thing. I was brilliant last night with my Joe the Plumber. Good thing nobody found out until after the debate that he was a republican plant. He was on talk radio, the right wing hater shows, even before the debate. Yeah, he was a plant, not just some random thing but haha fooled everyone for a night. Now if I can just fool them until the election.

Peace! I mean WAR. More war more war more war!

Obama's words in his own book
Not trashy words, unless you think his book is trash?  It was a great way to sell out his own grandma, wasn't it? 
Hillary can write another book
And her debt will be wiped clean or pretty near to it. She just is greedy and wants everyone to pay for her expenses. Her and Bill make enough money to wipe out their (or her) debt.

This is ridiculous that the DNC is asking people to give for them. We're already going to be paying a ton for the bail outs they gave a few weeks ago.
Another book about the Great Depression
The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes. I'm about halfway through it now and it's amazing - it could have been written about the last several years instead of the 1920s.
At least O held the book right-side up......

He needs to buy a "tax guide" book for
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I heard that he had a book coming out. (sm)
Hopefully it will add more fuel to the fire and get the UN to go ahead and prosecute.  They're already talking about trying Bush and Rumsfeld for torture.  I think that would be our best bet, and then they could have Cheney too.  That would keep Obama out of it, keep from tying up our courts and money in it, and it gets those criminals out of the country. 
Of course in your book it's old news; he still hasn't
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So if Donahue had a best selling book he would be credible?sm
That's the right-wing way, get loud and obnoxious (Ann Coulter)and write a book and make $$$$ trashing liberals.