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Freedom of religion....(sm)

Posted By: Just the big bad on 2009-01-31
In Reply to: There is no way you can! - It is on our money "In God We Trust."

also includes freedom FROM religion.  It's funny to me that, as you said, people came to this country for freedom of religion (among other things).  Now that they're here christians try to impose the very problems associated with those in Britian on the people of this nation.  Christians are constantly trying to force their will upon others through politics.  Please explain to me how that demonstrates freedom of religion.  Doesn't that just put us back where we were?


Freedom of religion is a live and let live proposition....not a winner takes all competition.




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True freedom of religion if you are Christian, or freedom to Islam,Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, agnostic, a
all are religious beliefs, and if you are looking for true FREEDOM, all must be tolerated, understood, and welcomed. cannot put parameters on FREEDOM
Freedom of religion........ sm
is one of the foundation blocks of this country, not freedom FROM religion. Every person in this country is, based on the constitution, free to worship (or not worship) in any form they choose. I think that Obama's statement reflects his political viewpoint and gives us an insight into what is most important to him, which is politics at its best with no regard for God in any form or fashion.
Freedom of religion? Since when is teaching hate a
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LOL. *Liberal Religion* = ANY religion that isn't YOURS.

You don't want EQUALITY in religion.  You want yours to be SUPERIOR to all others.  You want to force your narrow and specific religious beliefs down the throats of every single American.  You can't get them into your religion willingly so you'll FORCE them to fall in step with you via government if you have to.


You couldn't stop abortion by killing abortion doctors, so now you'll do it through the Supreme Court.  And your God on earth just happens to be a president who wants the same things that you do, and so he's willing to throw the Constitution out the window (in violation of his Presidential oath) in order to replace it, not just with the Christian Bible, but with his own personal clone who will legislate her own narrow evangelical Christian views that don't even agree with the less radical, quieter forms of the Christian religion.


Government, schools and universities don't fall into the same categories.


There already ARE religous schools and universities.  Isn't THAT enough for you?


And what about all those many, MANY buildings with crosses and other religious symbols on them throughout this nation where people of like-minded beliefs congregate to worship the God of their CHOICE?  I believe they're called CHURCHES.  Isn't THAT enough for you, either?


Nope.  You're not going to be happy until you can be *superior.*


The sad fact is that in a country with freedom of religion, you never WILL BE, whether you like it or not. You can put 9 THOUSAND justices on the Supreme Court, you still won't be SUPERIOR, and I believe God, who is all knowing, knows that as well!


Because the Muslim religion is the only religion that says.....
Convert or die.
Freedom
I just want to say THANK YOU for your opinion, which is very valid.
Ah, but being a bum is FREEDOM
after all, we can cook over a fire using a wal-mart cart as a grill. We can get jiggy with nature. You must be well aware that bears aren't the only ones who "do it" in the woods. Visiting the food pantry at the local church is always a treat! All that hamburger helper and no hamburger - but a squirrel will do in a pinch, provided you can nail one of the little buggers. It is an ADVENTURE!
Freedom of speech, LOL
Freedom of speech?  To get up there and state you believe A WHOLE SOCIETY OF PEOPLE, A WHOLE ETHNICITY OF PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ABORTED?  Yet, you people jump all over Cindy Sheehan when she rags on Bush, LOL..You jump all over anti war people when we scream..STOP THIS WAR..But NOW you are stating freedom of speech..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL..Better to shut up now about Bennett, cause you sure are looking silly..
and I'd like to keep my religious freedom sm
without having to answer to the Christian right.  If they had their way, we'd all be wearing babuskas and having a kid or two every year, paying homage to them at a tithe of 10% and having to hate all other religious ideologies. 
Ah, yes. Freedom of speech.

I remember it well. 


It was a cute joke.  In case any of you missed it before it was removed from the board, one of the many places it can be found is http://www.justpetehere.com/2004/11/george_bush_pas.html.


Better do it quickly, though, because this post is sure to be removed as soon as the Cons start whining again.


freedom of speech

 Check out the St. Pete Times, Sunday, 11/13/05, The Perspective, article by Robin Blummer. Sorry I don't have the link but it is easy to find. Talk about scary. By the way, I see that there are a number of comments to posts listed on the board but they are not available to see. Is this a new policy...we know people read or responded but we can't see what the response is?


Freedom is an illusion
What is sad is the idea that an entire political party would align itself with, unite itself behind and extend its unquestioning support to a president and administration who behave like closet fascists. Thank heavens their glory days are past us now and we can begin counting down their time in office in measures of months, weeks or days.

Even more regrettable is the fact that both parties and their supporters are so blissfully unaware of and so openly hostile toward the issues that plague their fellow Americans and accept the catastrophic damage that has been inflicted as business as usual. These issues in no way are confined to the war, although it is by far the most pressing one at the moment. It is difficult to know where to begin a laundry list of the grievances, but the demise of our civil liberties, the flagrant disregard of the constitution and the disappearance of freedom of speech come to mind.

Ask any democrat just how free they have felt over the past 8 years to express their dissent and listen to the response as one American to another, not as republican to democrat. This is only one of many steps that we will need to take as a nation to heal the wounds of division that currently afflict us. We are all saddened by this state of affairs and that is the common ground from which we start our search for solutions in resolving our differences and coming together as a nation.

Who started what and why is an exercise in endless frustration. The question is where do we go from here?


do you or do you not believe in freedom of speech....
and do you or do you not believe in the right of people to have opinions different from those and voice them? Is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read my posts? You might be more comfortable in Russia where it is the policy of the counry to control thought that does not agree with the party line.
Freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is freedom to all.

When watching TV if there is something I don't like I change the channel. I would suggest you do the same on this board instead of trying to silence those you don't agree with.

Keep on postin sam - you must be hitting home if there are those who want to silence you.
So is freedom of speech.
If the lady wants to talk about religion, so what? It's not like she's gonna get into office and make us all abide by her religion - Pa-leeeze!!!
Freedom of Speech? Think Again.

See 2nd link. 


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  • Religious freedom.
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    Freedom of Choice Act
    The Freedom of Choice Act would make abortion a federal issue and would basically do away with any restrictions on abortion. There are many state level FOCA acts already, but this would be the first time that it would be a federal act. I'm not a legal brain so I'm not sure if I am explaining this 100%. From reading both sides of the issue, it will basically lift all restrictions on getting abortions, meaning going in and having an abortion will be as simple as going in and having a check up.

    To me that is just a new form of birth control and completely unacceptable. Yes, women have the right to choose. They have the right to choose to wait to have sex and to use good judgment. They have a right to choose to not sleep around. They have a right to birth control and requiring a man to wear a condom.

    I understand there are dire situations, such as rape, incest, and in cases where the mother's PHYSICAL health is at risk. While I don't believe in abortion at all and wish it had never been thought of, I do sympathize with those mothers, and yes something should be done to help them. But to just say "hey abortions for everyone!!" is ridiculous! You know as well as I that most abortions are done simply because having a child would be an inconvenience. That is not right! If you don't want the consequence of having a child, then keep your legs closed! Sorry!
    NBC has the freedom to reject the ad!
    The Catholic church has the freedom to produce the ad, NBC has the freedom to reject the ad, and everyone in this country has the freedom to choose whether or not they watch NBC. That is how it should be, freedom for everyone!
    freedom of speech
    Hillary said that Bill always was a hard dog to keep on the porch. So what. At least we weren't embroiled in an unjustified war, we had a SURPLUS in the treasury and the whole country wasn't going to the dogs. I believe in the 1st amendment - she can say whatever she wants. Take some cojones to talk about propriety................look at dubya and turd blossom.
    Just another freedom chiseled away....sm
    in the guise of healthcare.


    This administration is going to do its best to make us a one party system, a people dependent entirely on the government, where over half are on the govt dole, and the other have of us slave to pay for it, and the more government there is, the less freedom we each will have.


    This health plan, not to mention the rest of which is to come, is just one less freedom, that we each will have.



    One day, these children will wake up and see what they have cost us, and what they no longer have.
    Please name one freedom that Obama has taken away...nm
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    Oh please - no one is losing their freedom
    I read the article. Their freedoms are not being taken away. However, they are treating the home like it is a business and bring the congregation to a private home conducting business there without a license. This should be kept in the churches.

    The "homosexual community" had nothing to do with this and no where in the article does it say that.

    You'll be the first to try and take away the rights of the gays and lesbians, but you sure don't like it back do ya.
    Yes, you have the freedom to LEAVE
    if you don't like the direction our country is heading.  You LOST.  The Good Guys Won.  Deal with it!!  Get behind our President and our Country.  Or LEAVE!  We don't need treason like this you are expressing.
    Who's denying her freedom of speech.sm
    What you guys want is for her freedom of speech to go unanswered. Since she is an army mom then we should worship her and allow her to dump on us because of our beliefs.

    If she wants praise and high-fives she should be posting on the conservative board.
    Yep. Kiss freedom goodbye!

    Its called freedom of speech
    Hey, neocons, its called freedom of speech..part of our Constitution. Dont like it, dont read the posts, dont come on the liberal board to cause trouble..stay where you are safe on your own board..
    U.S. learns to live with less freedom...sm
    U.S. learns to live with less freedom
    Jun. 19, 2006. 05:30 AM
    TIM HARPER
    WASHINGTON BUREAU

    MANCHESTER, N.H.—The fierce cultural aversion to the long reach of government is emblazoned on every licence plate here, an omnipresent statement that should make Rich Tomasso's job easier.

    But even a man who makes it his business to protect individual liberties in a state where no government would dare collect a sales tax or personal income tax — or force a seatbelt around a driver or a helmet on a motorcyclist — has to face some harsh realities in George W. Bush's America.

    People are more afraid of terror than having their privacy violated, says Tomasso, chair of the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. For so long the rhetoric has been about fear, not hope and more traditional American values.

    Live Free or Die is not just a cheesy licence plate slogan in this tiny New England state. But even New Hampshire is not immune to the national erosion of civil liberties that has permeated every part of the United States since terrorists forced their way into airline cockpits almost five years ago, taking away a nation's bravado and replacing it with fear.

    The exploitation of that fear by an administration intent on inflating the powers of the presidency, at the expense of a cowed Congress and with the tacit approval of an anxious nation, may be a cautionary tale for Canadians should some of that U.S.-style fear find its way north of the border in the wake of Toronto's recent terrorism arrests.

    In recent years, it has become a truism that Americans will trade away some liberties because they have been attacked. Canadians have not.

    But where is that rugged U.S. individuality that had helped define this nation?
    America - Freedom to Fascism

    It must be starting using the military as guinea pigs.  This idea of implanting chips is included toward the end of this scary trailer for America - Freedom to Fascism.  I definitely recommend viewing it.  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1616088001333580937


    Excuse me....there is already freedom of the airwaves....
    you are the one who needs to brush up. Aren't you the party of freedom of speech and freedom of the press? It is not Rush's fault that liberals do not support liberal radio stations by listening to them...that is why they go bankrupt. If you guys want a liberal radio station, you have to actually LISTEN to them so they will stay in business...not seek to silence others. That is completely undemocratic and unAmerican.
    It's called freedom of choice as
    I hope to have after this election.  That's the beauty of freedom, you get to choose.
    Right on...freedom of speech...how dare we have that right
    you included, of course.
    We'll all be broke with no more freedom (nm)
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    Enjoying my freedom until Obama gets in.
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    Called freedom of speech....
    both sides here have posted letters and blogs from private citizens. There are a lot of true things in the letter as well. Just to be fair.
    That's the sheer freedom of our country...
    we can say what we want, when we want.
    Good for you - freedom speech
    That's what I say! I'm not wild about Rush, and I can only take so much of Sean, but I do like a lot of conservatives who tell it like it is. Absolutely love Michael Savage (even though he is independent). I will also listen to Alan Colmes, Keith Olberman, and Rachel Maddow. I listen to them all and make my own decisions based on what I hear. I don't go with the party line telling me what I'm supposed to think and how I'm supposed to vote.
    It's called Freedom of Speech. sm
    and if you don't care what she has to say, then don't waste YOUR time responding.  Enjoy your popcorn!!
    Religious freedom....not for long.

    A bill regarding control of the Catholic Church has exploded as one of the hottest issues of the session at the state Capitol - prompting charges and countercharges about religious freedom.


    Have you guys heard about this. This is just insanity. 


    The measure, which was raised as a committee bill by the Democratic co-chairs of the influential judiciary committee, would allow the finances of local parishes to be run by lay councils and would essentially remove power from Catholic pastors, who would serve in an advisory role. Opponents say the bill is clearly unconstitutional and would violate the First Amendment regarding the right to freedom of religion.


    I keep my guns and freedom, you keep the change! nm
    xxx
    Using that belief to try to restrict the freedom of
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    it is called freedom of speech - nm
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    It is not slander. It is freedom of speech

    Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation.Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:



    1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
    2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
    3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
    4. Damage to the plaintiff.

    A defense recognized in most jurisdictions is "opinion". If the person makes a statement of opinion as opposed to fact, the statement may not support a cause of action for defamation. Whether a statement is viewed as an expression of fact or opinion can depend upon context - that is, whether or not the person making the statement would be perceived by the community as being in a position to know whether or not it is true


    Example:  A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.


    Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.


    I.E., what the poster stated was freedom of speech, not slander, libel or defamation of character. It is a known fact that O hung around with not-so-nice people until he ran for President. Is that slander? Nope.


    The poster was giving an opinion. That is freedom of speech. If it was slander, O would have be having a lot of lawsuits on his hands towards all the people who have ever stated anything against him, which would probably be around 250,000,000....including me...out of 300,000,000 people living in the USA.


    Wash. Post and the Freedom March
    'Wash Post' Will Drop Sponsorship Of 'Freedom' March If It Turns Political

    Editor & Publisher

    Published: August 12, 2005 3:30 PM ET

    "NEW YORK The Washington Post has no plans to withdraw its co-sponsorship of a controversial Sept. 11 memorial walk being organized by the Department of Defense, according to Publisher Bo Jones. But, he said the paper would pull out if the event turns out to be some kind of pro-war or political march."

    Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie, Jr. declined to comment on the paper's involvement, other than to say, "it does not affect our coverage."

    "But Rick Weiss, a Post science reporter and co-chair of the Washington Post unit of the Washington-Baltimore Newspaper Guild, noted the hypocrisy of the paper's involvement, since it bars reporters from participating in partisan events. "It is dismaying, to say the least, that I can be fired for participating in a peace march while my employer feels free to co-sponsor an event that so blatantly beats the drum of war," Weiss stated."

    more...

    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...

    Kiss freedom of the press goodbye
    BY LEONARD PITTS JR.

    lpitts@herald.com


    Thomas Jefferson understood.

    He said that if asked to choose between government without newspapers
    or newspapers without government, ''I should not hesitate for a moment
    to prefer the latter.'' Jefferson knew that a free and adversarial press
    was the people's best defense against the excesses of their government
    and a fundamental building block of healthy democracy.

    Unfortunately, that was 40 presidents ago.

    The present president has a decidedly different view of the news
    media's role. His administration sees the press as a thing to be bought. In
    fact, while political manipulation of the news is hardly new, Team Bush
    has a long and singularly sordid record of trying to turn the media
    into a wholly owned public relations subsidiary.

    Now they're taking their act on the road. And get this: They're doing
    it under the guise of building democracy. Which is rather like stealing
    from the collection plate under the guise of giving to the needy.

    I refer you to last week's Los Angeles Times report that the Pentagon
    has been secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories, written by
    American troops, that reflect favorably upon the U.S. mission in that
    country. The stories, while basically factual, are reportedly written so
    as to flatter U.S. forces and the Iraqi government and to omit
    information or perspectives either might find embarrassing. These press
    releases are presented to the Iraqi people as independent reports by
    independent reporters.

    One is appalled, but hardly surprised. After nearly five years of
    watching these folks' truth-optional approach to dealing with the public,
    one is seldom surprised anymore.

    BUYING PRAISE

    This is, after all, the same Bush administration that was caught buying
    praise from an ethically challenged columnist -- in violation of
    federal laws against propagandizing the public, according to a September
    report by the Government Accountability Office. It's the same
    administration that allowed into the White House press room as a reporter an
    Internet porn entrepreneur who wrote for a GOP website. The same one that
    issues video reports favorable to its policies to be broadcast without
    attribution as TV news. The same one that censors and quashes its own
    scientific studies when they conflict with its preferred worldview.

    So this is just more of the same in a new ZIP Code.

    It will be argued by the usual sycophantic Bush enablers that what's
    being done is justifiable. We are at war, they will say, and in war it is
    perfectly acceptable to propagandize the enemy.

    So it is. But the flaw in that logic is this: We are not at war with
    Iraq. We are at war in Iraq against insurgents seeking to topple the
    government. At least, that's the line put forth by Team Bush. Iraq, they
    say, is a sovereign nation to which we are simply helping bring the joys
    of democracy -- one of which would be a free press.

    That being the case, you cannot justify telling covert lies to its
    people any more than you can justify telling them to ours. You want to
    communicate something to them? Buy an ad. Drop leaflets. Put up posters.
    But don't produce a commercial and tell people it's news.

    CREDIBILITY AT STAKE

    Doing so undermines both the message and the medium. It could also
    conceivably encourage Iraqis to question how seriously they should take --
    how seriously we ourselves take -- this whole notion of a free and
    independent press.

    Indeed, one can only guess how this is playing with Iraqi journalists.
    After all, the messages could hardly be more mixed. On the one hand,
    U.S. officials are offering them workshops in media ethics. On the other
    hand, U.S. officials are violating the most basic media ethics with
    blithe indifference.

    But then, it's a sour joke in the first place that the Bush
    administration purports to teach Iraqis how democracy works.

    You can't teach what you don't understand.

    The first amendment is freedom of speech. You are the one squelching it. sm
    I said I agreed that I was not respecting the rules. YOU are not respecting freedom of speech.  Obviously and easy to prove. However, I will from this point forward respect the rules and not post here.  Anyway, I am not a conservative. I was just making a point.  That has nothing to do with politics. It's too bad you must label everything when someone proves you wrong 
    Bush's assaults on freedom - who is going to stop him?sm

    On June 29, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 5-3 decision ruled that President Bush's effort to railroad tortured Guantanamo Bay detainees in kangaroo courts violates both U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions.


    Better late than never, but it sure took a long time for the checks and balances to call a halt to the illegal and unconstitutional behavior of the executive.


    The Legal Times quotes David Remes, a partner in the law firm of Covington & Burling: At the broadest level, the Court has rejected the basic legal theory of the Bush administration since 9/11 – that the president has the inherent power to do whatever he wants in the name of fighting terrorism without accountability to Congress or the courts.


    Perhaps the Court's ruling has more far-reaching implications. In finding Bush in violation of the Geneva Conventions, the ruling may have created a prima facie case for charges to be filed against Bush as a war criminal.


    Many readers have concluded that Bush assumed the war criminal's mantle when he illegally invaded Iraq under false pretenses. The U.S. itself established the Nuremberg standard that it is a war crime to launch a war of aggression. This was the charge that the chief U.S. prosecutor brought against German leaders at the Nuremberg trials.


    The importance of the Supreme Court's decision, however, is that a legal decision by America's highest court has ruled Bush to be in violation of the Geneva Conventions.


    There are many reasons to impeach Bush. His flagrant disregard for international law, U.S. civil liberties, the separation of powers, public opinion, and human rights associate Bush with the worst tyrants of the 20th century. It is true that Bush has not yet been able to subvert all the institutions that constrain his executive power, but he and his band of Federalist Society lawyers have been working around the clock to eliminate the constraints that the U.S. Constitution and international law place on executive power.


    Republicans are outraged that liberal judges have prevented Bush from protecting us from terrorists. In the U.S. Senate, Majority Leader Bill Frist said that Republicans will propose legislation to enable Bush to get around the Supreme Court's decision. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) already had a bill ready. What sense does it make to talk about liberal opposition when liberal Republicans like Specter are falling all over themselves to kowtow to Bush?


    Americans are going to have to decide which is the greater threat: terrorists, or the Republican Party's determination to shred American civil liberties and the separation of powers in the name of executive power and the war on terror.


    The rest of the world has already reached a decision. A Harris Poll recently conducted for the Financial Times found that the populations of our European allies – Britain, France, Italy, and Spain – view the United States as the greatest threat to global stability.


    A Pew Foundation survey released the same week found that 60 percent of the British believe that Bush has made the world less safe and that 79 percent of the Spanish oppose Bush's war on terror.


    Republicans and conservatives equate civil liberties with homosexual marriage, abortion, racial quotas, flag burning, banning of school prayer, and crime resulting from a lax punishment of criminals. This is partly the fault of the ACLU and left-wingers, who go to extremes to make a point. But it is also the fault of conservatives, who believe that their government is incapable of evil deeds.


    In their dangerous and ill-founded belief, conservatives are in total opposition to the Founding Fathers, who went to the trouble of writing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in order to protect us from our government. Most conservatives believe that they do not need constitutional protections, because they are not doing anything wrong. Conservatives have come to this absurd conclusion despite the Republicans' decision to sell out the Bill of Rights for the sake of temporary power.


    A number of important books have recently been published decrying America's decaying virtue. In Lawless World, the distinguished British jurist, Philippe Sands, documents the destruction by George Bush and Tony Blair of the system of international law put in place by Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill. In The Peace of Illusions, Christopher Layne documents the American drive for global hegemony that threatens the world with war and destruction. Americans are enjoying a sense of power with little appreciation of where it is leading them.


    Congress has collapsed in the face of Bush's refusal to abide by statutory law and his signing statements, by which Bush asserts his independence of U.S. law. Bush has done what he can to turn the Supreme Court into a rubber stamp of his unaccountable power by placing John Roberts and Samuel Alito on the bench. Though much diminished by these appointments, the Court found the strength to rise up in opposition to Bush's budding tyranny.


    Amazingly, on the very same day in England, where our individual rights originated, the High Court struck down Tony Blair's anti-terrorism laws as illegal breaches of the human rights of suspects. As with the Bush regime, the Blair regime tried to justify its illegality on the grounds of protecting the public, but a far larger percentage of the British population than the American understands that the erosion of civil liberty is a greater threat to their safety than terrorists.


    Thus, in the two lands most associated with civil liberties, courts have struck down the tyrannical acts of the corrupt executive. Perhaps the fact that courts have reaffirmed the rule of law will give hope and renewed strength to the friends of liberty to withstand the assaults on freedom that are the hallmarks of the Bush and Blair regimes. On the other hand, the two tyrants might ignore the courts as they have statutory law.


    What's to stop them?


    Freedom agenda in the Middle East?

    Did Bush campaign promising a freedom agenda in the Middle East?  I must have missed that during the debates.  In fact, he specifically said he was against nation building when he debated Gore, although in all fairness, he didn't say he was against nation wrecking.


    I guess he doesn't understand that the decider created more suiciders than he got rid of.


    I can't wait to see how his base spins the long awaited truth from Bush's own lips that there were no WMDs and that Iraq had no ties to 9/11.


    May God help us all.


    thank you for the ringing endorsement for freedom of speech....
    yet another reason why I would never vote for a Democrat.
    Hope you enjoyed your freedom/choices! sm
    Sometimes what we thought was so bad starts to look better when we get something worse, especially when we did not see it coming.  Socialism is not going to be as great as you might think.
    Yes, freedom works for everyone, right to choose applies....sm
    to individual doctors, nurses, and even pharmacists, as well as the woman; as you said, there are enough providers who will happily oblige and do the procedures for compensation and not have a problem with it. I used to be a surgical tech, I never had to assist in one, my docs were general surgeons, but I could never be in the room, myself, while an abortion was being performed, I would get sick. I am sorry, I believe in the freedom for others, but personally I could not be there, and would not want to be forced, could not! JMHO