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Good luck with your daughter! sm

Posted By: Myna Bird on 2008-09-02
In Reply to: I have a soon to be 9-year-old daughter and - the Republican acceptance of a teenage

I have kids are older than yours and while there has not been a pregnancy, there have been other issues we have worked through that floored me and shocked me, but we got through them.

I have several friends whom are excellent parents, involved, church going, teach values ...could not ask for more.

guess what???

Their kids drink, try drugs, have sex and yes, indeed, some have gotten pregnant. I am not saying ALL teenagers do, because that is not true, BUT many, many do.

IMHO, embracing it and loving your child when something like this happens is called unconditional love. It does NOT mean that you condone it or approve. But what is done, is done.

p.s. (joke)
just how do her parents "allow it?"



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LOL! Good Luck!

 In case you are the same *Teddy* who posted on the Conservative Board in the last week or two, you should know that the same *friendly* group of people you encountered there the other day also accused you of being me. 


At any rate, welcome to the Liberal Board. 


as I said, good luck with that...SP is same old...
this is the same old culture war, and the republicans have played women like we are stupid. as far as approval rating, people are afraid to go against Sara in Alaska because they have seen her wrath. she gets people fired etc etc.

like I said, SP is same old. I have seen too many women like her and all they do is control and manipulate to their own needs and desires.

Christians are supposed to be meek, not calling for war already. I especially find distasteful people who use their religions to gain power.

...oh and it is okay to call Obama right out a wolf in sheep's clothing, but not say anything negative about she who would hide behind being a woman -

who wrote this post, a man? when did women get so aggressive and want to be men so much, anyway.

you think you are 'doing it all' - yeah, all and half the quality.

you praise this woman because she can give birth? How does she manage her family, lets her daughter get pregnant, and perhaps worse?

yeah, you do it all all-right, and everything is half-#@!?. What a role model! Let go back to work 3 days after having a baby, let our daughters be sexually abused by men while we run around pretending we are so important...
good luck
with my conversion. Not a lot of Jews converting today, especially to evangelical beliefs. But you keep trying, lol.
Good luck with that, then, if you truly believe him....sm
I never said I agreed with what's been happening on the wall street agenda, however, as usual, the democrats are rewriting the bill they signed, and it now looks nothing like it did when it passed, even though that was the wrong thing to do.

Now, we have to give a helping hand to everyone under the sun.

If that's not socialism, and marxism is right behind, especially when he shuts the media up for asking questions, look out.

You're getting more than they're telling you about, and I guarantee you, you will not be all warm and cuddly, when all that comes down to pass.


But again, believe as you want to believe. Perhaps you are voting your emotions, along with the masses, after all.


Good luck with that.
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Good luck with all that hate. sm
And that is what it is just pure hatred.  No Democrat I know would go near where you are.  That isn't fighting.  It's not even smearing.  It's no class gutterball and it has no benefit whatsoever to anyone. 
Good luck, LVMT
All jobs take a while to get used to.  I'm sure you'll do very well in a very short time.  Hope you come back soon.
Twice as old, nope, just good luck
Gosh, you sure are touchy when it cones to the fact you apparently have made some poor judgements and now stuck with a home you cannot sell. My homes come from money I have received from family, stocks, investments- I have been blessed because I do not make bad investments like others. With your last statement I can just imagine your sticking out your tongue, like a child does and saying nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
Heartening story. Good luck to you. But
the problem is with the system.  There are abusers and it is mismanaged.  Not everyone is an abuser, obviously, but being from a small town I can't tell you how many people I know that accept welfare and then to see what they spend it on is ridiculous.  There has got to be some accountablilty there and make sure those that truly need the program get it and those that have the ability to, to get off their behinds and get a job or training to get a job.
Good luck trying to convince O lovers they;re
aa
Au contraire. I've had really good luck
most recent example would be my 18-year marriage to a rough, tough tom cat 14 years my junior.
thanks again Babe! Good luck voting for McSame/Falin...SM
ROFLMAO
I'm sorry for your bad luck, but...
I don't think the minorities in Georgia have it better than the white people.

I have a good friend who is black and he has not worked in 3 years due to an injury on the job. He is getting by on $173 a week from Workman's Compensation. He cannot get food stamps.

I have another friend who is repeatedly passed over for promotions for white folks to get the jobs even though he has been on the job now for over 8 years and then has to help train the new-hire white boys to take the job he was passed over for.

I am white and I got a scholarship to college just fine when I decided I wanted to return to school this year.

I think you are just a racist!
With a little luck, maybe her plane will
and will CRASH, instead. That way the election could focus on the issues once again.
Be very, very careful with what you wish for. I wish you luck with all your
I doubt very much anyone with any true intelligence will truly like the way we are about to go, should Obama win the white house
They'd have more luck unloading these if
they'd include a pinup of a terrorist kitty or 2.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s22/darju/kitty.jpg

http://www.dcmodding.com/main/images/stories/sniper_kitty.jpg

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/Kosher.Kitty.jpg



I wish the best of luck to our incoming president...sm
President Barack Obama.


I want to take the high road, and give him the chance he deserves, without all the pettiness and prejudice I see displayed against our current, outgoing president.



I wish the best to you all on this board, as well, both left and right, and all in between.


I wish the best for our country, and that includes President Obama.


I wish him well, and hope he is guided well on his path and his choices for our country.





Yeah, and rub your luck rabbit foot...sm
While you're at it! It'll do JUST much good. Silly people. Let go of your ancient superstitions and move into reality with the rest of us.
No such luck, GP. All that fake congrats this morning
was just a bunch of hooey to lull us into a belief that they actually meant it.  If fact, it has really escalated through the day.  I'm thinking maybe they all just need to get ****!!
my daughter is getting

her Master degree in business.   She has a beautiful little 4-year-old son born in wedlock. I a progressive politically.  Boggles the mind doesn't it.


 


I would say that if my daughter...(sm)

did a study group at home but couldn't accommodate parking without bothering her neighbors, then she needs to get her behind out and go to a library or something.


I'm not saying that it's the neighbor's fault.  At this point what all of us know about this case is speculation, and that amounts to squat.  So at this point we don't know if they just had mean neighbors, or if the couple was in a war with the neighbors, or if it was or wasn't a hit against christianity, or about 100 other things that could have played into it.  That is the point of my post....to point out that this could be the result of a lot of things, not necessarily just to get at christians.  I think way too much has been assumed in this thread about the situation.


I have a soon to be 9-year-old daughter and
pregnancy and the allowance of it most certainly does concern me especially when McCain is in his 70s and not in the best of health already.  Yes, I was raised with family values and yes this absolutely does concern not only me but my husband as well.  Yes, this is a big focus right now on Governor Palin and her family values.  I'm only one voice, but one voice that is concerned about this teenage girl and it being "allowed" and "accepted."  This goes against any core family values I've learned my entire life.  Does this mean it's okay for her daughter?  Does this mean that this candidate will just "ignore" issues if she had to step in as President blaming us the country and not herself for her own misjudgements or her own "oversites?" 
God bless your daughter..
for having the bravery and the courage to serve and protect us!  May God keep her safe and protected and return her safely home!
My daughter had to take out loans
and work to save money for school. No Pell Grant for her because we make too much money. I guess my money went toward your schooling. Why didn't you just take out loans instead of being handed money from government?
If his daughter is allergic, they may have to get
hypoallergenic trait in poodles and some other breeds is dominant and carries over to the cross-bred offspring.

I think a big, Standard Poodle would be a great First Dog! They are so much fun, yet calmer than the small dogs, and not yippy. Easily trainable, too.

But it would be cool if they could get a shelter dog. Talk about good fortune for some poor, down-and-out dog... to go from the Pound to the President's dog!
My 14-year-old daughter.
The girls were together one night at a friend's house. They heard it through school that Obama family do not believe in Christmas gifts to the girls nor do they believe in giving Birthday gifts. There are also questions if Obama family believe in Thanksgiving.

Looked on line (Google) and cannot get a straight answer, just that muslims do not believe in this either. Do not know that to think and so I asked.
So what? And to not let your daughter listen to
How bigoted is that? Children should be taught tolerance, not HATRED.
Hmm, and just how would you treat your daughter
if she said she was gay?
I'd appreciate it if you would leave my daughter out of your agenda.

I mentioned nothing of her political opinions or what she "thinks." I merely said I baby-sit for her occasionally and use her computer.  for you to try to drag her into your accusations is typical of what I have seen happen on the other board.  It's inflammatory and untrue, but it's how you people seem to create your "facts." I can assure you that my daughter has her own political opinions, and she and I don't always agree, unlike you, but we at least respect each other's right to their opinion and often have respectable, interesting, informative debates with each other.  She was taught respect and learned it very well. You can't hold a candle to the intelligent, respectful young lady that she is, so don't even try because you're way out of your league. As far as going back to the conservative board, thanks, but no thanks. I've already explained my reasons for not going back there any more. People are much more respectful of differing opinions on this board.


My post to gt was simply to tell her that I understand what it's like to be accused of all sorts of things simply because you post on a board.  It happened to me on the conservative board on my first (and last) visit there, which is why I won't return.


Do I think some of the things gt said were over the top?  I sure do.  Do I understand why she said them?  My guess is that she was trying to communicate with you in the only way you seem to understand, since civil attempts don't seem to work with some of you people.  I think I can "understand" her motives, just like some of you "understand" why Eric Rudolph murdered innocent people. And between the two, I'd much rather try to "understand" gt than "Eric" (as he appears to be affectionately referred to elsewhere on this board).


My daughter has shunted hydrocephalus
When she was 5 years old, she had totally unexpected abrupt failure when were out of town, and required a Medflight back home and immediate surgery with her neurosurgeon. I can't imagine if we had to wait for an MRI or CT scan with her. Universal health care scares me to death.
Question about McCain's daughter
What is really necessary for her to look up on the internet whether or not she was adopted???   Maybe looking in the mirror may have given her a clue!   And I thought Chelsea Clinton was hard on the eyes.  At least Chelsea is educated and a good speaker.  McCain's daughter looks challenged - and I don't be sport's challenged!!   How about Cindy's hair color - ain't that pretty?   
Lets her daughter get pregnant ????
I don't know ANY mother who would get up one day and say, "Gee, I would love to LET my daughter get pregnant". What do you think she should do, handcuff herself to her daughter and follow her around all day and night? Give me a break!!! There are mothers who are home all day with their daughters and they get pregnant. Who you wanna blame now!!!!

Her daughter getting pregnant does not imply sexual abuse at all....I see two hormone driven teenagers. Lets not get so carried away that just because a teenage girl gets pregnant you jump on that stupid bandwagon of believing she was abuse. I feel pretty confident in saying she was probably a willing participant....now they both have to deal with the consequences just like others from the beginning of time......
Congratulations, you have obviously raised your daughter right.
xx
Would love to be a fly on the wall if your daughter
got knocked up despite being "taught not to get pregnant". Especially if that mistake were to end up tying her for 18 years of her life to some loser guy, and all the problems that can bring.

So what exactly do you think will happen if the earth's population continues to grow at the rate it's been for the past 50-100 years? What kind of world does that leave your grandchildren? It's too crowded now - how horrible will it be when the earth's population doubles, then triples? Standing-room-only?
Can't have your cake and eat it too, don't you want your husband, son, daughter...sm
etc. to be paid what they are worth, to be paid enough they can save up and buy a home AND make the mortgage and insurance payments? Afford to feed their family without food stamps? We area a family of five, homeowners, trying to help our eldest with student loans to become a teacher, live VERY modestly, work overtime whenever we can, drive well-used cars that we OWN, and some weeks we have to put off buying medication or shampoo because we spent the family budget until the next paycheck. More working people, able to be consumers paying taxes, is one of the long-term fixes to any economy, we are not all George Bush's Halliburton and corportate/oil buddies, Japan made its working force world class by implementing higher wages, providing better benefits to workers, etc. America is way behind the times, and that is why we are in a boatload of trouble.
Her daughter is not in politics - take it to the gab board
Gloating about the sadness that some kids are going through belongs on the gab board. Her daughter and daughters bf never ran for a political position. It's bad enough to see the Palin bashing continue past the election (get over it), but to gloat about someone's misery is shameful, especially when they are not in politics. The OP was obviously gloating and it's disgusting to know there are people so spiteful that they can't let it go with Palin, they have to drag her kids (soon to continue to her family soon) into the bashing too and express their happiness about the awful circumstances her kids are going through - real nice!!! Take the gossip to the gab board.

And if you look below you'll see many posts by me. I'm not a coward to use my moniker I've always been using.

The father of the Marine daughter also said the same thing. sm
I guess they are all just misguided and brainwashed.  In fact, a lot of the military is saying this. But it doesn't shut people up, does it. Didn't in Vietnam either.  Well, freedom of speech works both ways.  But the left never seems to get that either.
Maybe Palin didn't know yet that her daughter was pregnant when
That is a possibility. The daughter might have tried to hide it until she started showing. I don't know the circumstances around Palin and don't pretend to know, but I knew of girls in high school with me who hid it from their parents well into their 5th or 6th month. Not until they started showing did they tell.
Maybe they'll get their dog when Sarah Palin's daughter
x
oops typo, *Not Without My Daughter* (Sally Field).....
xxx
Did Palin's daughter actually give birth to the child?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223



 


of course he lied - but no one died - he had a young daughter to protect...
All men would lie - when, in fact, it was nobody's freakin' business........that was Hillary's problem
Palin's Wasilla has 42 meth labs and her daughter's new mother in law to be sm
got arrested for drugs.

JBB, you may have a point, so hard raising a daughter these days!! (Cute!) :-)........nm
nm
Three months after birth of baby Trip, SP's daughter and boyfriend kaput!
Now did anyone see that coming or is that just something out of the blue? My goodness, would have never believed that. They really seemed like good heads on their shoulders, graduates, college bound, career-minded, responsible. Really shocking to me.
Outta Work and Outta Luck


by: Peter Whoriskey, The Washington Post


photo
People wait to speak with staff about unemployment benefits.



    In record numbers, employers move to block unemployment payouts.

    It's hard enough to lose a job. But for a growing proportion of U.S. workers, the troubles really set in when they apply for unemployment benefits.

    More than a quarter of people applying for such claims have their rights to the benefit challenged as employers increasingly act to block payouts to former workers.

    The proportion of claims disputed by former employers and state agencies has reached record levels in recent years, according to the Labor Department numbers tallied by the Urban Institute.

    Under state and federal laws, employees who are fired for misbehavior or quit voluntarily are ineligible for unemployment compensation. When jobless claims are blocked, employers save money because their unemployment insurance rates are based on the amount of the benefits their workers collect.

    As unemployment rolls swell in the recession, many workers seem surprised to find their benefits challenged, their former bosses providing testimony against them. On one recent morning in what amounts to one of Maryland's unemployment courts, employees and employers squared off at conference tables to rehash reports of bad customer service, anger management and absenteeism.

    "I couldn't believe it," said Kenneth M. Brown, who lost his job as a hotel electrician in October.

    He began collecting benefits of $380 a week but then discovered that his former employer, the owners of the Gaylord National Resort and Convention Center, were appealing to block his unemployment benefits. The hotel alleged that he had been fired for being deceptive with a supervisor.

    "A big corporation like that.... It was hard enough to be terminated," he said. "But for them to try to take away the unemployment benefits - I just thought that was heartless."

    After a Post reporter turned up at the hearing, the hotel's representative withdrew the appeal and declined to comment. A hotel spokesperson later said the company does not comment on legal matters. Brown will continue to collect benefits, which he, his wife and three young children rely on to make monthly mortgage payments on their Upper Marlboro home.

    Unemployment compensation programs are administered by the states and funded by payroll taxes that employers pay. In 2007, employers put up about $31.5 billion in such taxes, and those taxes typically rise during and after recessions, as states seek to replenish the funds.

    With each successful claim raising a company's costs, many firms resist letting employees collect the benefit if they consider it undeserved.

    "In some of these cases, employers feel like there's some matter of principle involved," said Coleman Walsh, chief administrative law judge in Virginia, who has handled many such disputes. But, he said, "nowadays it appears their motivation has more to do with the impact on their unemployment insurance tax rate. Employers by and large are more aware of unemployment as a cost of business."

    The cost of unemployment insurance has created an industry of "third-party agents" - companies that specialize in helping employers deal with the unemployment insurance administration. These firms represent employers in disputes with former employees over jobless benefits.

    One of the largest is TALX, a St. Louis company active in the Washington area, which claims more than 8,000 clients.

    The company's Web site says that it removes "over $6 billion in unemployment claims liability annually."

    Joyce Dear, chief operations officer for tax management services at TALX, said firms such as hers help bring to light the issues surrounding an employee's departure.

    "You are limited to what is permissible," she said. "What an employer can do is provide the facts around a separation. The awarding of the benefits is in the hands of the state."

    Wayne Vroman, a researcher at the Urban Institute, has documented the rise of challenges to unemployment claims using the Labor Department data. He found that the proportion of claims challenged on the basis of misconduct has more than doubled, to 16 percent, since the late 1980s. Claims disputed on the grounds that the worker simply quit represent about 10 percent of the otherwise eligible applications.

    Even as more employers have alleged employee misconduct, their success rate has stayed relatively stable - they lose on such issues about two-thirds of the time.

    "What is clear is that employers have become more willing to contest claims from claimants," Vroman said of the data.

    Hearing officers and others in the industry said it isn't clear why the number of challenges to unemployment claims has grown. The labor force has changed over the years, with less of it devoted to manufacturing and more of it from the service sector.

    Some suggested the rise in disputed benefits stems from the fact that it is easier today for employers to track claims and try to block those they consider unwarranted.

    "Automation has contributed to the ease with which protests from the employer can be filed," said Doug Holmes, president of UWC Strategy, a group that claims large and small employers among its members and represents their interests in unemployment matters.

    Others speculated that changes in the law have made it easier for employers to block unemployment claims.

    Rick McHugh, a staff attorney for the National Employment Law Project who began handling such cases in the 1970s, said court rulings have slowly enlarged the definition of employee misconduct, making it easier for employers to say they rightfully fired a worker.

    "The courts are just not showing as much sympathy for employees who get fired," he said. "There's a higher standard of behavior that is expected of employees."

    For example, back in 1941, the Wisconsin Supreme Court considered the case of a cab driver who'd had three accidents in two weeks and also shorted the company on a 40 cent fare, turning in only 25 cents.

    The court ruled that the driver was entitled to unemployment benefits because unintentionally careless or shoddy work did not constitute misconduct. It's unlikely, McHugh said, that the case would be determined the same way today.

    In many states, hearings are held daily on unemployment claims. The outcome most often turns on whether the former employee was guilty of misconduct.

    With employees and employers as adversaries, it's often difficult to determine the facts of a case, and just as difficult at times to separate misconduct from incompetence, which is not a reason to withhold the benefits.

    During a day of hearings this week in Wheaton, human resources personnel sat across tables from former employees, and the discussion often turned to written warnings, company handbooks and who-told-what-to-whom.

    A former assistant manager at RI Ra, an Irish Bar in Bethesda, fended off complaints that, among other things, he'd failed to greet guests at the door and one time poured a beer for himself after hours.

    A Verizon technician was charged with, in company terms, "detour and frolic."

    And a former salesman at Ethan Allen complained that there was no way he could have made his $35,000 sales quota - and that's why he quit.

    "It's almost like a daily soap opera - but it's real life," veteran hearing examiner Scott Karp said. "In this economic climate, the threshold for what employers consider minimum acceptable behavior has changed. They decide they're not going to put up with it anymore, so they start documenting the employee's behavior and often enough, the issue winds up here."


So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc.  Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be.  Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed?  You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing.  In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site. 
Good post....truth doesn't always sound good
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Good for you! Most people would not recognize good...sm
character if it hit them over the head, just sheep who follow along without thinking for themselves, believing the political pundit spitting out garbage.
Good post - good research (sm)
History does repeat itself at times. I had forgotten about the 50s and Russia.

Very scary times we live in and so many new enemies. This is definitely not a scare tactic but a very clear warning. You can't ignore facts, they are there.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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