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Hillary Exposed? Not quite....

Posted By: piglet on 2007-11-02
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I took the time to watch the trailer of Peter Paul's Hillary Exposed trailer again this morning, took a few notes, and did a little internet research.  It is my conclusion that this is mostly fabrication with a stab at Hillary because he is angry that his investment/ideas didn't go as he had planned.

The 2000 Hollywood Gala was a farewell for Bill to garner his favor in supporting him on a business venture, with the added benefit as a fundraiser for Hillary.  Paul also gave fundraisers for others.  For whatever reason, this didn't go as he had planned.  Paul specifically stated that he only gave the fundraiser for Hillary to get to Bill.  There is no evidence suggesting that Clinton told Levin to seduce Oto to oust Paul to destroy him and SLM. 

The phone call to SLM from Hillary says nothing other than that she is pleased with what they are doing for her and thanking them.  I do not believe that she helped plan the gala whatsoever nor knew the full details. 

Is being a fundraiser the same as campaign contributor?  If you are shelling out money for the affair, is that considered a campaign contribution?  I didn't have time to dig into that this morning.

As David Rosen was Hillary's finance director, if he falsified documents, whether on his own or told by someone else to do it, he is the one culpable.

Digging into Peter F. Paul's past doesn't lend much to his credibility.  I am loath to believe anything from such a person.  I think he is just trying to save his own butt and trying to get back at Bill through Hillary. His stint in Brazil and being put in jail was of his own doing.

In essence, there is just not much substance here when you start digging.  This is the first of many attacks that are just beginning for Hillary as well as the other presidential candidates and should not be taken at face value.  

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Liberals exposed in all their glory. SM
Ain't it grand.
Ron Paul exposed, literally!
This is priceless! Ron Paul being backed by pimp Denis Hof and traveling with Tucker Carlson. OMG! Could this get any better? Per Huffington:

False charge exposed
RE: Obama filed lawsuit that "bullied" banks into giving risky loans.

Buycks-Roberson vs CitiBank Federal Savings Bank 1994. This was a class action lawuit which sought to challenge the practice of redlining, based on the 14th Amendment requirement of "fair and equal treatment for all citizens." The lawsuit charged that CitiBank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. This was settled out of court. Some class members received cash payments and CitiBank revised its discriminatory lending practice policies.

The action was brought against a single bank…CitiBank, though redlining was a widespread practice at the time. Obama DID NOT FILE this lawsuit. He was a junior member of an 8-member team that worked on the case. The lead attorney for CitiBank does not recall ever seeing Obama in the court during the proceedings. Obama charged a total of 2 hours and 50 minutes for his work on the case for reviewing some documents before a deposition and appeared ONCE before the judge to request an extension of time for filing a response to a motion in the case.

This decision did not "force banks" to do anything except to process minority loan applications the same as they were processing loans to white applicants. If this outcome in any way contributed to the mortgage crisis some 14 years later, it would be based on the fact that the banks were already handing out those "bad loans" hand-over-fist to the white applicants…a practice they agreed to extend to ALL applicants as "fair and equal treatment" under the 14th Amendment.

Once the facts get a thorough look-see, it becomes evident that the charges the McCain camp are trying to lay on Obama are (surprise, surprise) patently false.

Exposed urban myth. nm
Ashley Todd exposed as HOAX.
What facts support that the "left" exposed this news as you say?
get the information that it came directly from the left? A left-leaning media doesn't count, either. When you say it came from the "left," it insinuates Barack's camp was responsible somehow. Is that the case?
Why aren't you getting it - Snopes is not a credible source. They've been exposed - link inc
They are not credible for putting out truthful information. It is a site run by a couple from California, Barbara and David Mikkelson. They met at an alt.folklore.urban newsgroup. This by no means is a site to find out truth or fiction, especially since the couple is very liberal and choose to put their opinion up rather than fact, and site things as hoaxes when they are not. They are a very liberal couple and of course liberals love this as it always puts their viewpoint in a favorable light, but again this is in no way a credible source. It was recently found that snopes had many things listed as a hoax, when in fact they've been proven to be true. There is another site with better sources and it is called truth or fiction. Attached is an about.com link for info about snopes. But for your everyone's information, do not take snopes to be the truth. Research for yourself with many other links out there.


Exposed: Prop. 8 part of 'Christian Taliban's' move to make Bible the law

The Protect Marriage Coalition, which led the fight to pass an anti-gay marriage initiative in California, is now suing to shield its financial records from public scrutiny.

The lawsuit claims that donors to Protect Marriage and a second group involved in the suit have received threatening phone calls and emails. It asks for existing donation lists to be removed from the California secretary of state's website and also seeks to have both plaintiffs and all similar groups be exempted in the future from ever having to file donation disclosure reports on this or any similar campaigns.

Although public access advocates believe this sweeping demand for donor anonymity has little chance of success, it does point up the secretive and even conspiratorial nature of much right-wing political activity in California.

Howard Ahmanson and Wayne C. Johnson

The man who more than any other has been associated with this kind of semi-covert activity over the past 25 years is reclusive billionaire Howard Ahmanson.

Ahmanson is a Christian Reconstructionist, a devout follower of the late R.J. Rushdoony, who advocated the replacement of the U.S. Constitution with the most extreme precepts of the Old Testament, including the execution -- preferably by stoning -- of homosexuals, adulterers, witches, blasphemers, and disobedient children.

Ahmanson himself has stated, "My goal is the total integration of biblical law into our lives."

As absurd as this Reconstructionist agenda may seem, the success of Proposition 8 demonstrates the ability of what is sometimes called the "Christian Taliban" to pursue its covert objectives behind the screen of seemingly mainstream initiatives and candidates.

Ahmanson's role in promoting Proposition 8 has drawn a lot of attention, but he appears to serve primarily as the money man, leaving his associates to carry out the practical details. One name in particular stands out as Ahmanson's chief lieutenant: political consultant Wayne C. Johnson, whose Johnson Clark Associates (formerly Johnson & Associates) coordinated the Proposition 8 campaign.

Johnson has spent many years working for Ahmanson-funded causes -- such as the battle against a 2004 initiative to promote stem cell research -- and organizations, like the anti-spending California Taxpayer Protection Committee.

Johnson Clark has also operated PACs for many candidates supported by Ahmanson. It ran Rep. John Doolittle's leadership PAC, which became notorious for sending a 15% commission to Doolittle's wife out of every donation received. It currently runs the PAC for Rep. Tom McClintock, a strong Proposition 8 supporter who was narrowly elected last fall to succeed the scandal-plagued Doolittle.
Proposition 8

The series of events leading to the approval of Proposition 8 began in 2000 with the passage of Proposition 22, which defined marriage in California as being solely between one man and one woman -- but did so only as a matter of law and not as a constitutional amendment.

Proposition 22 was quickly challenged in court, leading to the creation by its supporters of the the Proposition 22 Legal Defense Fund. In 2003, Johnson Clark Associates registered the domain ProtectMarriage.com on behalf of that fund.

ProtectMarriage.com began campaigning in early 2005 for an initiative that would add its restrictive definition of marriage to the California constitution, but it failed to gather sufficient signatures and was terminated in September 2006.

In 2008, however, a reborn ProtectMarriage.com, flush with nearly a million dollars in funding from Howard Ahmanson and tens of millions from other doners, succeeding in getting Proposition 8 placed on the ballot and approved by 52% of the voters.

Proposition 8 is now California law -- at least for the moment, pending challenges to its constitutionality -- and ProtectMarriage.com has turned its attention to demanding that all 18,000 existing same-sex marriages be declared invalid.
The Ahmanson-Johnson Strategy

The partnership between Ahmanson and Johnson, however, did not begin in 2003 or even in 2000. It goes back to at least 1983, if not earlier, and has been a continuing factor in California politics for the last 25 years.

In a 1994 article on Christian Reconstructionism, Public Eye described Johnson's central role in an Ahmanson-financed attempt by the Christian Right to take control of the California state legislation. The strategy involved first pushing through a term limits initiative, which was accomplished in 1990, and then promoting its own candidates for the seats this opened up:

"The practical impact of term limits is to remove the advantage of incumbency ... which the extreme Christian Right is prepared to exploit. ... At a Reconstructionist conference in 1983, Johnson outlined an early version of the strategy we see operating in California today. ... The key for the Christian Right was to be able to: 1) remove or minimize the advantage of incumbency, and 2) create a disciplined voting bloc from which to run candidates in Republican primaries, where voter turn out was low and scarce resources could be put to maximum effect. ...

"Since the mid-1970s, the extreme Christian Right, under the tutelage of then-State Senator H. L Richardson, targeted open seats and would finance only challengers, not incumbents. By 1983, they were able to increase the number of what Johnson called 'reasonably decent guys' in the legislature from four to 27. At the Third Annual Northwest Conference for Reconstruction in 1983, Johnson stated that he believed they may achieve 'political hegemony. . .in this generation.'"

The mention of H. L. "Bill" Richardson as the originator of the Johnson-Ahmanson strategy is both eye-catching and significant. Richardson, a former John Birch Society member, was considered to be one of the most extreme right-wing politicians of his time. In 1975, he co-founded Gun Owners of America (GOA), an organization which is widely regarded as being well to the right of the National Rife Association.

Wayne Johnson began his political career in 1976 by working for Richardson -- and Johnson Clark Associates still operates a PAC for GOA's state affiliate, the Gun Owners of California Campaign Committee.

In 1992, Johnson and Ahmanson managed to help send a batch of conservative Republicans to Congress. Foremost among these was Richard Pombo, one of whose first acts after taking office was to introduce a resolution of commendation for the Reconstructionist Chalcedon Foundation.

In 2004, Johnson told an interviewer that Pombo's election was a high point of his political career. "There have been a lot of great moments, but Richard Pombo's 1992 upset victory in his first congressional primary has got to be near the top. The television stations didn't even have his name listed on their pre-programmed screens election night. Today, he's chairman of the House Resources Committee."

Two years after Johnson's enthusiastic declaration, Pombo was defeated by a Democratic challenger, following wide-ranging allegation of corruption, including being named as the Congressman who had received more donations from Jack Abramoff than any other.
The Anti-Homosexual Agenda

Although the Christian Right never achieved its original goal of taking over California state government -- which may be why Ahmanson and Johnson have turned their attention to passing socially conservative initiatives instead -- it has been far more successful in establishing dominance over that state's Republican Party.

In 1998, Mother Jones reported:

"First they packed the then-moderate California Republican Assembly (CRA), a mainstream caucus with a heavy hand in the state party's nominating process, with their Bible-minded colleagues. By 1990 they controlled the CRA, and since then the CRA's clout has helped the religious conservatives nominate and elect local candidates and—crucially—catapult true believers into state party leadership slots. ...

"From radical fringe to kingmakers in a decade — how did they do it? 'Basically, there's two places you have influence: one is in the nominating process in the primaries, where you can elect people in ideological agreement with your views, and the other is in the party structure,' says former CRA vice president John Stoos, a former gun lobbyist, member of the fundamentalist Christian Reconstructionist movement, and senior consultant to the State Assembly."

Stoos appears to come out of precisely the same background as Johnson and Ahmanson. He served as the executive director of Gun Owners of California and was also the chief of staff and a legislative advisor to Tom McClintock from 1998 until 2003, when he got into trouble for his over-the-top Reconstructionist sentiments.

In the Mother Jones interview, Stoos referred to Christian politicians as God's "vice-regents ... those who believe in the Lordship of Christ and the dominion mandate" and pointed to the repeal in the 1970's of laws against homosexual acts as an example of the need for rule by "biblical justice."

"The proof is in the pudding," Stoos told Mother Jones. "Since we lifted those laws, we've had the biggest epidemic in history."

To many who voted for it, Proposition 8 may have been no more than a nostalgic attempt to keep a changing world more like the way it used to be. But for Reconstructionists like Ahmanson, Johnson, and Stoos, it clearly represents something else -- a dramatic first step towards "the total integration of biblical law into our lives."


I've actually been thinking of voting for her if she runs.  A year ago, I couldn't stand her.  I don't know if she's changed or if I've changed, but what I mostly think it is, is that the further right the neocons go, the further toward center she seems to wind up.

As far as respect, let's see... She has the ability to articulately and intelligent form SENTENCES using the English language.  That in and of itself is worthy of much more respect than what we've currently got.

She seems to have enormous strength without being a bully.  I can't recall her telling the rest of the world to "Bring it on." 

I'm somewhere between being a Democrat and Republican.  I tend to vote for someone because of issues, not because of party affiliation.  I've registered as an Independent because of that, and I'm glad I did because these days of Republicans and skyrocketing deficits, increasing intrusion of government into the personal lives of American citizens, etc. leaves me wondering just what Republican and Democrat means any more.

Republican seems to now mean a particular, narrow brand of Christianity (rather than a brand of politics), lying as a regular and customary part of doing business with the American people and the world, destroying the lives of people who disagree with them, completely stalling and bringing science to a screeching halt, forcing regime change on weaker countries through war, while showing weakness and backing down from true threats, such as North Korea.

And Democrats -- well, I just don't know any more what they stand for.

Again, as far as Hillary is concerned, she left a bad taste in my mouth when she seemed to put down stay-at-home moms with her comment about choosing her career over staying home and "having teas."  I feel being a mother is probably the most important job there is, and I didn't appreciate that comment.  However, recently she's looking a lot better to me.

I also would like to see more from Giuliani.  I think he demonstrated excellent leadership during the 9/11 tragedy, and he seems to be more moderate when it comes to the personal lives of people.

My DREAM President would have been Colin Powell.  I can't recall seeing such grace, dignity and intelligence in a politician.  He also has firsthand combat experience in foreign lands and might not be so hasty to jeopardize soldiers' lives as someone who didn't have the guts to put his own life on the line yet seems to find the lives of our young people readily disposable for nation building, rather than defending America.

I truly don't think we can do any WORSE than what we have now.  If we can just all hold our breath and tread lightly, we just might be able to survive the next three years, not because of this president but IN SPITE of him. 

Hillary just might be someone who would actually put Americans' safety and America, in general, FIRST.  Wouldn't that be a nice change?

If it had been Hillary...

Personally, I don't care what Laura did when she was 17, even if she was driving drunk. But, republicans are relentless and we can't let this go without mentioning the certain media frenzy if this had been Hillary who killed her first fiance.

If it had been Hillary:

Barbara Olson would have a best seller on it.
Ann Coulter would have a best seller on it.
Peggy Noonan would have a best seller on it.
Laura Ingraham would have a best seller on it.
Laura Schlessinger would have a best seller on it.
David Limbaugh would have a best seller on it.
Christopher Hitchens would have a best seller on it.
Dick Morris would have a best seller on it.
Bob Woodward would have a best seller on it.
Christopher Ruddy would have a best seller on it.
Ben Stein would have a best seller on it.
Gail Sheehy would have a best seller on it
Neal Boortz would have a best seller on it.
David P. Schippers would have a best seller on it.
David Maraniss would have a best seller on it.
Mike Barnacle would claim he was in the car with Hillary.
Joe Klein would write a best seller on it, but swear he didn't
Judas Stephanopolous Maximus would have a best seller on it.
Joe Eszterhas would fabricate quotes from Hillary's vagina.
Michael Isikoff would swear the conversation was "off the record"
but then turn around and print every word (plus some he made up.)
Kenneth Starr would write an impeachment referral over it.
Susan McDougal would still have to do time in prison,
and Julie Hiatt Steele would still lose her house.

The vulgar Pigboy would pound on her 15 hours a week until 2009.
O'Reilly would pound on Hillary for months and years.
Hannity would pound on Hillary for months and years.
(and Colmes would remain silent while he did...)
Paula Zahn would pound on Hillary for months and years.
Brit Hume would have weekly "Special reports" called "Accident? You Decide!"
Juan Willaims and Mara Liason would agree Hillary belongs in prison.

CNN would create a spin off network to cover it 24/7.
Tim would mention it every Sunday until he died.
Chris would pound on Hillary for months and years,
but no guest would ever get to answer any questions about it.
Cokie Roberts would mention it every week, then giggle.
Henry Hyde would scream, "The flag is falling."

Richard Mellon Scaife would pay David Brock $80,000 to talk to the cops who were paid $80,000 to say "We thought we smelled liquor, but everyone in Arkansas knows there'd be hell to pay if we wrote this up as a drunk driving accident."
The American Spectator would then run a front page story on it, and somehow Paula Jones would run into the spotlight screaming, "Hillary was trying to kill me - and missed," then the 
mainstream media would've made Paula a star on this story instead of the other one.
Then every night, Larry King and his "panel of experts" would search for the connection between Hillary's accident and Clinton's penis - as he always does.

...but since it was Bush's wife, Karl Rove gave orders not to bring it up.

Better keep an eye on Hillary as well...
Ironically, Hillary – who is evidently now opposed to military action – said in February that "no option can be taken off the table" when dealing with Iran.

"U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal,” she told a crowd of Israel supporters. “We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. In dealing with this threat ... no option can be taken off the table."

Either she has flip-flopped or she was pandering to the pro-Israel crowd to get their votes. Which was it I wonder?
I do not think Obama has enough experience to be president.  Two years in the senate, spent his third year on the campaign trail, not enough experience for me.  Also do not believe he sat in a church for 20 years and never heard the preacher say the things we heard on the TV.  He also talks but never explains how he will do things.  Not sure about the black issue.  Would have voted for Colin Powell if he had run back sometime ago. Some people will never vote for a black person, just like some men would rather vote for a turnip rather than vote for a female.  It is a man thing.
I am not happy with any of the candidates. That being said, I do think Hillary should be in the White House. I detested her at first but compared to Obama (all smoke and mirrors, no substance) and McCain (Mr. Ego personified) I believe she truly does love this country. I also feel when another terrorist attack occurs on us, and I feel it will, she will be a good person in office to deal with this. Obama would be a disaster with his inexperience.
Anyone else getting fed up with Hillary?
I used to have a lot respect for Hillary, and while I favored Obama for the nomination I was fine with her being the nominee instead.  Now she is on this "crusade" to make the votes of MI and FL count as they are, in her favor of course.  Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that if those states had favored Obama that she wouldn't be down there pushing hard for the votes to count?  She keeps trying to spin this as not changing the rules or not about her, but it's about the voters being heard!  Funny how she didn't have any complaints when the ruling was first made that their votes wouldn't count.  She insults everyone's intelligence with her arguments and I am just fed up with her.
Love Hillary. Hope she gets VEEP!
And so she should be. I am not a Hillary fan...
but they messed her over big time. To quote reverend wright...the chickens have come home to roost!
Hillary did it too....sm
Seems to me I read about people from Mass or NY being bused in and out of the NH or VT democrat primary....to vote for Hillary, or so I heard.

Gee, that story got buried real quick, as I recall.

Not a big Hillary fan but it looks like...

she really got a major hatchet job sent her way....


No wonder a bunch of Hillary supporters are ... shall we say...angry?

Hillary C

Campaigning in Lansing, MI for Obama Sat morning.


While I am not a Hillary fan -




Ha ha! I wonder if Hillary sent Roberts a thank you
All she has to do is point out that Republicans want to go backwards in time, want women barefoot, pregnant and inferior to men.  This is probably the best thing to happen to a Democratic campaign n a long time!  Gotta love it!
Seems no one wants a piece of Hillary :)

GOP Challenger to Sen. Clinton Quits Race

By Chris Cillizza
Special to The Washington Post
Thursday, December 22, 2005; Page A05

Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro (R) ended her campaign against New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday, bringing to a close a brief and decidedly rocky attempt to unseat perhaps the country's most famous Democratic officeholder.

Even as she announced she would shutter her campaign against Clinton, Pirro jumped into the state attorney general's contest. A recent independent poll showed her trailing the two Democrats seeking that office.

In a statement released by her campaign, Pirro said her law enforcement background better qualifies me for a race for New York State Attorney General than a race for the United States Senate.

Pirro's exit leaves the Republicans adrift for now, with only two obscure candidates vying for the nomination: former Yonkers mayor John Spencer and tax lawyer William Brenner.

From the start of Pirro's Senate campaign in mid-August, she was beset by questions about her fundraising ability and readiness for such a high-profile contest.

Pirro is the second Republican to drop a bid against Clinton, who is seeking a second Senate term next November. New York City lawyer Ed Cox, the son-in-law of President Richard M. Nixon, left the contest Oct. 16 when New York Gov. George E. Pataki (R) announced his support for Pirro.

We know at some point the Republicans will sort out this process and choose a nominee, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said.

Cillizza is a washingtonpost.com staff writer.

I feel the very same way about Hillary.

I remember several years ago hearing some pundits speculate about political royalty and how the Bushes and Clintons would be basically the only *families* in the White House from here on out.

Given Bill's sudden closeness to and *adoption* by Bush, Sr. and Hillary's refusal to take a stand, as you said, it kind of makes me wonder if maybe they didn't hit the nail on the head.

She's been listening to Hillary too much. :) nm
Hillary on immigration...
not sure why you are asking me; I didn't post anything about Bush and immigration...I don't happen to agree with him on that. Apparently Hillary does though...see article:
WASHINGTON --Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a potential White House candidate in 2008, said Wednesday some Republicans are trying to create a "police state" to round up illegal immigrants.

Alerts Clinton, D-N.Y., spoke out on the U.S. immigration policy after largely staying away from an issue that has roiled Congress in recent months and spurred a number of conflicting proposals.

Speaking at a rally of Irish immigrants, Clinton criticized a bill the House passed in December that would impose harsher penalties for undocumented workers.

"Don't turn your backs on what made this country great," she said, calling the measure "a rebuke to what America stands for."

The House measure would make unlawful presence in the United States, which is currently a civil offense, a felony.

Clinton said it would be "an unworkable scheme to try to deport 11 million people, which you have to have a police state to try to do."
That sounds to me like she is supporting amnesty from the back door saying that it would not be possible to round them all up.

You will also notice that the Republican congress wants to make it a felony to be here illegally...good for them. Hillary does not agree, and neither does Bush. As I stated...I do not agree with Bush on this issue.

Hillary is wonderful

Hillary is wonderful so is every other democrat running..ANYONE is better than the tired old men running as republicans.  I would vote for my dog before I would vote for a republican.  We need four years of peace and prosperity and building our reputation in the world and healing this country and fixing all the destructive things this administration has done here and abroad.  Hillary, when she worked as a lawyer, was one of the top five lawyers in America.  Her IQ is higher than Bill and that has to be quite high as Bill is quite an intelligent man.  Contrast that to the person in the WH now.  I think his IQ must be around 75 to 90.

Should Hillary step down?
I've heard people say she should step down before things get worse within the party. That it would be the best for the Democrat party.

Thoughts, opinions, comments?

Is Hillary for real?
Talk about being out of touch with Americans.  She cannot relate to what we go through at all.  She came from a weathly family yet she portrays in her ads that she is like everyone else.  Then on top of that seems like every state she campaigns in she says she is from.  So I'm confused...Is she from Arkansas, New York, Pennsylvania, now Indiana?  Give me a break!  She's so full of it.  She came from a wealthy family, married a wealthy guy and she's never had to worry where the money for her food is coming from.   She's never had to pump her own gas (by her own admission).  This is all a "photo stunt" into making people think she's out there pumping gas and dealing with the problems and issues we are facing.  She didn't even know what a gallon of gas cost before just a couple days ago.  I'm sure she also doesn't know what a gallon of milk or loaf of bread cost.  And her gas stimulus or whatever it is she's trying to pass off as some great program.  Basically it boils down to you will get one free fill up for your vehicle for the day.  Right - like that's going to solve the problems.  The sooner that hag loses the better for America (also the better for my blood pressure to finally resume its normalcy).
Poor Hillary

So Bill is now coming out saying people are picking on Hillary. 

Oh the poor baby.  Wasn't she the one who said "If you can't stand the heat....."

Whether I like her or not is besides the point.  This is an election and Bill & Hillary need to realize if you want to win you have to work towards it.  It's not going to be handed to you. 

Yes, I realize she is working hard, but so is Barack Obama.  Do you hear him crying when she makes a racial statement about him about how nobody "white" is going to vote for him?

Grow up Bill & Hillary!

Hillary concedes!!!
He should pick Hillary
They are two peas in a pod. It was evidenced by his speech tonight he thinks she such a great person. I could just feel the love he has for her. Seriously...they voted alike on almost everything. I think his speach tonight was more of him trying to pull her votes away from Barack to vote for him.
Yeah, Hillary,
thanks for finally conceding after a 15-month battle. So now she's hoping for VP or for help with her campaign expenses? Is that what I heard?
FYI Hillary Clinton
She is from Chicago. She started her life as a Republican, like her father. Believe it or not, she was a volunteer in Barry Goldwater's campaign. Bet he is rolling in his grave.

It does not matter what they call themselves, they are different flavors of the same bad ice cream. Democrat or Republican, they are controlled by the men behind the curtains and the wealthy establishment whose agenda they are promoting. If they cannot get you to pick their (CFR) candidates through their media, they use Diebold to hack the vote electronically.
Thank God Hillary is not an option
Don't you realize she is the Co-chair of the Senate India Caucus. She is one of the people pushing for our jobs to go overseas. She will not protect our jobs. She was also in favor of NAFTA. Sorry, I want my job. So Thank God she is not one of the choices. With that said...I am protesting both McCain and Obama - I am not voting. Besides doesn't anyone understand whoever is chosen as President will not be the people's choice. Presidents are placed into office, not elected.
Hillary inspires me......

to vomit.  So I guess she does inspire some woman.  LOL.

Does that mean you believe that Bill and Hillary were....
sorry...b/c Hillary'd DIDN'T win
How is that different from not choosing Hillary....
when she is as qualified. Because the DNC said no.
Of course, the Hillary blog has the all
knowing truth....give me a break.  Before or after she stormed Kosovo under sniper fire?  LMAO
Hillary is probably behind the scenes saying.
They were just talking about this on CNN. Hillary...sm
has sent out a video to her supporters with that same senario, going to bed with it too close to call only to find out the next morning.....oh no!
exactly where is it that i said i loved hillary?
'bout time, too.
You know, really....I'm sure Hillary would have found out if any of this...sm
were true. I'm sure she had hundreds of people trying to find anything like this on Obama, and if it would have stuck, she would have been like glue on it....lol....

I would have to say none of it flies.

That said, if I or anyone in this country ever found out that any person we put in the white house had lied about something like this, I would vote for immediate impeachment and jail time.

That would include McCain, not just Obama, if any of these allegations were true.

Anyone with me on this last point?
Wonder what Hillary thinks of this...
WASHINGTON (AP) - The wife of Vice President-elect Joe Biden let it slip that her husband had a pick of two jobs in the Obama administration.

Jill Biden said President-elect Barack Obama gave Biden the choice of being secretary of state or vice president.

Her comment came when the Bidens made a surprise appearance on Oprah Winfrey's show, recorded at the Kennedy Center.

The vice president-elect tried to hush his wife as soon as the words came out of her mouth, with a loud "shhh!"

Jill Biden said the job of vice president was better for the family, because as secretary of state he would travel too often.

Hillary was voted in as SOS....(sm)

The Senate voted 94-2, with Republican Senators David Vitter of Louisiana and Jim DeMint of South Carolina opposing.

Earlier Wednesday, Sen. John McCain implored his Republican colleagues to drop partisan demands and let the popular president get to work.


Thank you McCain!

Who ever said that Hillary is ugly?
Now, this I want to know:

Who is prettier Hillary or Michelle?
That's a no, no from me! I see Hillary prettier..nm
But he's backing Hillary Clinton
Can you explain that?
Hillary C. , closet Republican..sm

I am not enthralled with her as well.  I see her as someone who straddles both sides of the fence, or as you aptly put it, a closet Republican. I had a high opinion of her, but it seemed to me that when Bush's popularity was at an all time high she bent with the wind to include her vote on Iraq. Iraq had been so closely monitored for so many years and under such scrutity there was no way Iraq had any undetected weapons of mass destruction.  That woman was in the White House for 8 years and had to know that was not the case, yet she went right along with it as it was the politically popular thing to do at the time.  I lost my respect for her after that. The exciting thing is that there are so many candidates out there now. I also like Chris Dodd, but I don't think he has too much of a chance. Anyway the debates will be coming and the voters will have a good variety of candidates to listen to and field out.

Hillary has gone from supporting to decrying the war. sm
She has flip-flopped on that issue so many times, even her own party is unhappy with her.  Also, her statement about "taking things away for the common good" should send cold chills down anyone's spine if you are cognizant at all of history.  We are on the slippery slope of a depression.  All we need is higher taxes and more entitlement programs and all of us, every one of us, will suffer, not matter what political party you belong to. We need a fiscal conservative from one of the parties to step forward and bring us through this.  It will not be Hillary. 
I hate to say it but I think if Hillary wins the nom