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I'm not the one who made the allegation of "so many."

Posted By: Marmann on 2009-01-17
In Reply to: Do your OWN research, o lazy one. - Marmanott

I do think for myself, don't feel the need to lie and I always try to provide corroborating links when I post something that is a fact.


As usual, when caught in a lie, the CONS come back with nasty personal insults.


Lazy?  LOL!  HARDLY!




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"So What, Kaydie?"
That sounds like an expression you would hear from a bunch of 1st graders!
Yes I do have it made.
I do have it made, and it is well earned.  How much military service do you have under your belt?  How many political action committees have you served on? 
I don't think she has made this

decision without thinking about all she might miss with her kids.  My mom was at a lot of the things I did in school.  However, my dad was at work.  He was supporting his family by making a living.  He was making our situation better by working that overtime so we could afford stuff.  Would I have liked my dad to be at my tennis match.....sure.  But the reality is that even though he wasn't there watching, he still was literally the one supporting me and I appreciated and loved him for that.


As for Palin, did you ever think that maybe....just maybe she is willing to sacrifice time with her kids to make a better country for them as well as all of us?  Have they asked Obama about sacrificing time with his kids?  No....because we all just assume Michelle will take care of the kids. 


Al would have made sure we were . . .
not kissing (notice I did not say kicking) butt over in Iraq to get that oil.  This country would have been a lot further along with alternative energy sources!!!
I made my own
NObama pin which I alternated with an Obama pin (with the red slash through the O as in a no smoking sign). 
thank you SO much, made my day!!
That was truly worth the seven minutes!!
Please tell me you just made that up!!!
Because if you didn't, you're right, that is much more sick.
Please tell me you just made that up!!!
Because if you didn't, you're right, that is much more sick.
NO vaccines are made in the U.S. now???

Or is that another conservative "fact"? 


And, yes, those dang whacko liberals like Robert F. Kennedy and those of his ilk should be ashamed of themselves for connecting the presence of thimerosal in vaccines and resultant autism and attempting to STOP it.  Who cares about the children who are already here?  The most important thing is that we make sure not to hurt those inanimate cells in a petrie dish.


And, yes, it's certainly has been proven that there can be side effects associated with the smallpox vaccine where a small percentage of people might get sick and die.  We COULD maybe let the people CHOOSE whether they want the vaccine or not (if enough of it ever actually EXISTED to protect the entire country), but, no, free choice isn't a very "red" thing to do.  So the only logical thing to do is make sure that we deny the vaccine to all Americans so we can ALL die if terrorists decide to use that as a form of bio warfare. (By the way, I truly doubt that lawsuits will be much of an issue if we're all DEAD.)


Right?  I mean, you "red" guys know what should be allowed and denied in the life of every single American, don't you?  You've got some kind of special "divine knowledge" where you know what I should be "allowed" to do with my own personal body, who I'm "allowed" to love, how I'm "allowed" to plan my family, when I decide I'm "allowed" to die, and which God I'm "allowed" to worship without being doomed to eternal damnation?


 


wow, you made that assumption of me HOW? sm
by the way, the immaturity and silliness of your answer just makes you look like a fool.  Might want to work on that.
Yep, made a mistake, should have been why would anyone BAN you. SM
People do that all the time on the board, don't make a big deal out of it and I am perfectly FINE here.  Why.....feeling uncomfortable?   It's not like you guys don't take pot shots on the Conservative board now is it?
No, only the ones made by liberals.
xox
SOY was the one who made it personal anyway.
**This fits many on THIS board...To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.**

Maybe you missed that because you've stereotyped, judged and sentenced the liberals already.


Yes! You made my point exactly
They just keep shipping the jobs out until eventually we'll be left with millions of doctors and lawyers!! And who wants that?! :)

Seriously, something has to be done about this. Unfortunately, quite a few politians are paid by these big companies that make profits by off-shoring. We have to start putting major pressure on them to stop.
But who and how would that decision be made
From a legal perspective? Say "convenience" abortions are made illegal. I get pregnant and decide I want to have a "convenience" abortion. However, I know these are illegal, so I say the guy raped me. Who gets to pick in which cases abortion is permitted and in which cases it's not?

This is my main concern. You're preaching to the choir on the rest of it, because it used to disgust me when I would type reports and a woman would've had 15 abortions. I do not agree with that at all, and I don't think there are many who do. But, logistically speaking, again, it's either legal or illegal.
I only made it through the first two paragraphs
I had a nauseating sense of deja vu.
Its me again - you all made me laugh
Just had to write back to let you all know I enjoyed reading all your posts to my "rant" this morning. It's nice that other people see her for what she really is, and sad that others do not. Sure we all want to just up and leave when things don't go our way and nothing seems fair, but as my mama used to say "who ever told you that life was fair", and no I'm not rich like the hollywood people who can leave country at the drop of a hat. So, just to let you know my feelings have not changed about how I feel for her. No, I don't hate her, but I do see her for what she is and I don't like it. Well yeah, maybe deep inside I do hate her. I just wish she would just go away and I wouldn't have to see her anymore, but somehow they always find their way out from under the rocks (Bush & Cheney is included). Anyway....I have calmed down since posting (not not with medication, but with a good dose of reality from all who commented) :-) I don't have anything to worry about anyways though because even if she pulls some of her "maneuvers" and knocks out Obama she will never win over McCain - just a fact. (if by chance she does, then in November I will come back and tell you all I'm eating crow. HA HA HA. I'm also not worried bout it anymore -after all I do have a "mute" and "channel changer" on my remote control. :-)
This one's too easy. Just made my day.

Title of you post is lifted straight out of TT112OldTimer's post responding to Free Speech Rocks.  When spinning soooo out of control that the brain becomes blank, you can always resort to plagiary.  Hello.  Are you listening?  Vitriol out, vitriol in.  You might be shocked by how much respect you earn with just the simple gesture of extending some.  Respect is NOT a 4-letter word. 


 


Common sense is exactly what I used when I decided to attack my own bigoted tendencies back when I was still a teenager.  I did not learn any of that from books or courses I took in school.  I took it to the streets and reaped benefits beyond measure from those lessons. 


 


Au contraire.  The bluster of bigots is easy to bury under fact and logic.  No need to be thwarted by that.  Their reservoir of insults runs very shallow, but the intellect is a well that one can dig as deep as is necessary.  Fact/truth is another arch-enemy of the bigot.  You at least had the wisdom not to attempt to ridicule the context post since you knew you would be in way over your head and besides, you are allergic to the other side of the coin.  As they say, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.   It can’t be much fun to find yourself dumbfounded by your own narrow mind.  Frustrating too...remember it well. 


 


On the shortcut post:  That was your snipe, not mine.  Snipe begets tripe.  Vtriol out/vitriol in.  Garbage out/garbage in.  Is there an echo in here? 


 


Not the slightest bit interested in agreement, validation or vindication.  I am secure enough by now not to need all of that.  But in political contexts, the journey down the road to consensus will never begin in the absence of flexibility, open-mindedness and a good dose of patience.        


 


What part of my posts reflect your tactics do you not understand?  You absolutely refuse to look at yourself in the mirror, but you do know enough to be outranged when someone sends you your own reflection.  It’s not a pretty sight and furthermore, you become every bit as enraged as you seem to think I am.  You are constitutionally incapable of seeing what a spiteful little vixen you become when your brick-wall logic is thrown back in you face. 


 


No surprise there.  Bigotry is always blind.  Here’s another example you are bound to ignore:  You are so driven by your hatred of illegals that you would actually weigh in on the side of transnationals and cast your vote for the party who empowers them to outsource your profession overseas and drive your own wages into the ground.  


 


Well shut my mouth!  Could it be that you have finally run out of insults in the face of the realities of logic and have arrived on the threshold of the next level where most other right-wingers eventually find themselves...running for the hills and back into the open arms of the choir members?  You are big on cliché.  Here’s one for you...you can run, but you can’t hide.  Have a safe journey and I am “sending up a prayer” that you find the sanctuary you seek. 


no, my mind is already made up
I have been catching some of it (busy with MT and all) but what I really want to see is political commentary by someone who can say these were the good things about the speech and these are the things that weren't good or they should have talked about. Watching Democrat commentary they mostly say everything is wonderful and great speeches, and wathcing Republican commentary they mostly say the speech was lame or ineffective or whatever. Isn't anyone impartial? I'm really missing Tim Russert now.. :(
It would not be an issue if he had not made it one. nm
nm
The only guy that made a mess is
So the ends justify the means when it come to rebpulicans, abuse of power and the ethically challenged ethics maid? Said it once, will say it again. Divorce/custody issues are typically played out in family courts without interference and manipulation of the Governor's office. Marginalized? Is that the best spin you can think of for cold, hard fact? No backs up against the wall here. You see, JM has made life a whole lot easier by his latest senior moment. This decision smacks of "he just doesn't get it." Alienated women with his token showcase and moved the party straight back to the far right. If there were any doubt that he would be 4 more years of the same before, now it is plain as the nose on his face. We knew he would self destruct sooner or later, but noone expected it would come in the form of his VP pick. Nothing petty and vindictive about it, but if you feel the need to insult, bash and vent a little, by all means, knock yourself out. You, like your candidates, are underestimating the Clintons, their supporters and their party. She may have the same genitalia, but she is about as far from Hillary as it gets.
No, you are. I'm saying judgments will be made
For those who feel SP was insensitive to her daughter's situation and right to privacy during her pregnancy and childbirth, right or wrong, SP's judgment and priorities might come into question, especially since she has been pregnant 5 times herself. Her ability to balance her political responsibilities with her family obligations will likely be examined as well.

As a feminist, I do not think this is particularly fair, but it is STILL done in the work place when women are being considered for high positions in companies. Female leaders of childbearing years are measured by different standards than their male counterparts in this respect, regardless of whether you or I think this is fair. Mothers are held to higher standards than fathers when it comes to protecting their children. As a political candidate, she will be in a position to answer a whole lot of questions not posed to those of us in the private sector.

If they really did discuss this issue ahead of time, she and McCain both might have anticipated this kind of fallout if the Bristol's pregnancy were to come to light and could made have decisions accordingly. It may appear to some, if not many, that the interest of the party or the country was NOT their first consideration, and Bristol, her baby and the 4-month old infant son ranked under electability when this decision was made. That is what I am saying.
You seem to have your mind made up
You'll believe what you want to believe. But, I just wanted to comment on tax breaks for companies that stay in this country. The reason they left was because they had exorbitant taxes placed on them to the point they basically said, enough!

BTW, no matter how anyone tries to justify things, these are the same companies who were providing jobs for millions of Americans. They paid their share of insurance premiums for thousands or millions, their share of payroll taxes, had to comply with environmentalists (which was basically a tax), had to meet all kinds of other standards that were expensive, etc. The insatiable giant govt machine (Congress) who wanted to extract more and more are the ones to blame for that fiasco. Now I see they're wanting to offer tax cuts to the ones who remained!! It seems they can learn a lesson or two after all, if we believe they'll actually do it.

As for the big oil companies, yes they make a lot of money, but they're producing a product and they won't do that without paying well, like any other successful company that provides a multitude of jobs. There are great costs to produce that product, and they're taxed at an exorbitant tax rate as it is.

And as for their profits, considering what they actually make off of a gallon of gas for instance, a huge amount of that goes to their investors, including teacher's pension portfolios, just to name one. And they're already paying billions more in taxes than they make in profits, and now some in congress want to tax their profits with another windfall profits tax! Just incredible. Where does it end!!

But, Congress does control the purse-strings, so they'll do whatever they want, and they'll continue to tax, tax, and tax some more, every "big" business that provides incredible jobs into non-existence.

One day, those of us who work our tails off, will just sit down and give up and let Uncle Sam take care of us with their tax money they get from.....
In the interview I saw, no one made the...
Republican party look ignorant. So I would say...are you deaf?
cow poop is not man-made

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Yep, made me think of Hitler too.

nm


 


AND MADE A PROFIT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm5jQEh7exg
His minister clearly said what he said, no one made that up (sm)
And Obama has had this man as his reverend for 20 years. If he did not agree with the man's viewpoints he would not have continued to take his family there. I would love to see a black president in office, but I am not going to vote for him simply because he is of that race, I also need to agree with his values, and in this case, I do not. Prejudice in any direction is WRONG.
tompetty, you made me...
laugh out loud. Your posts are too funny. ;o)
Come on, you made that way too easy! nm
nm
But you have made your argument here FOR
You already know where Obama stands. He has said outright he will raise taxes to pay for more social programs. He wants to tell you how to get your healthcare. I agree we definitely need to do something about healthcare but then that could be easily done if the fat cats on capitol hill, including Obama, would stop insurance lobbyists and make it illegal for lobbying....period!!! They then would have to make it more affordable or they will not have a business to run in the first place.

I too would like to see our troops come home from Iraq but not give that money to Obama because it will be wasted faster than you can blink and on what? More socialist programs...

If you look deep into what Obama hasn't detailed in his healthcare plan, you will see that you WILL be paying DEEPLY for it. He has managed to waltz around the details of his plan, which include HUGE tax hikes to pay for that wonderful healthcare he wants to give you.

With the two candidates I am left to choose from, I choose a capitalist over a socialist any day. I'm about to believe Obama would sell his soul to the devil to get in that position.
I don't think that voting should be made
a difficult task but seriously.....how hard is it to show someone your driver's license or SS# card....at least have 2 items that identify that you are who you are when you register and when you vote.  This signing people up to register and letting them go ahead and vote is just asking for trouble and that is just common sense...especially if they require no identification at all. It just opens up the chance for people to question the election and we don't need that chaos.  This election is chaotic enough with all the mud slinging, racist accusations, etc.  We don't need voter fraud on top of it....but alas.....we have it.  ARGH
Everyone has already made up their minds
Why berate the point? There are no undecideds here.
American made
I gladly pay more if necessary to buy American made but it is getting so hard to find anything made in America.  Remember when Wal-Mart's slogan was "Buy American" and now it's "Bring It Home to America?"  I don't shop there since Sam died and the whole goshdanged conglomerate changed.  They sell JUNK made in China and everywhere but America.  We need to start thinking American jobs and to do that we have to quit buying just "cheap" and as someone else said, you usually get what you pay for.  I wouldn't think of buying fruits and vegetables from Wal-Mart anyway, they're imported and there is something just disgusting about stuff that is grown with human fertilizer!
aaahhh... I see someone has made a
nm
You just made me think of that song
Ancient of Days.

I am not scared of the end times, I am just scared for those that do not know him. I sometimes wonder if we will have a moment of great grief before we pass into heaven when we look back and see all of those whom we didn't speak with or wouldn't hear of it. Like I tell my parents all the time "I don't want to be able to say I told you so"


He never said that he made over $250K
He said that he wanted to buy a business that he thought made over $250K. I thought that it was okay to have dreams. How do you know what his intentions are? Even if he were a plant--which I think is silly--he is a citizen and ultimately has a right to propose a hypothetical question to someone asking for his vote to be the leader of our country. If he is attacked in this manner, should we not all fear what will happen if we say anything bad about Obama or ask a question that makes him look bad once he is--if he is--elected?
Was there a threat made?

I'm afraid that this is what is going to happen everywhere.  Anytime ANYTHING is said that sounds bad somebody is going to be reporting it to the FBI.  We are slowly going to lose freedom of speech at this rate. 


Think of times someone has made fun of you.
nm
I have made my decision -

I have tried to educate people about Obama and his christianity - the fact that he is NOT muslim, his health care plans - the fact that it is NOT universal healthcare he is proposing, his tax programs - the fact that he is NOT going to write a check to people who are not working... and it is NOT working.  They just do not want to believe.  And for the most part, it is not even the economy people are picking on him about now - everyone is still on this muslim crap, mad because he is getting his girls a dog, just nitpicking!  It is ridiculous.


I will no longer try to help people see the truth.  If they want to be miserable and think bad thoughts and harbor suspicion and hatred in their hearts, then it is their life and nobody can change those folks anyway.  I am sure it is not just the election that makes them mean and nasty - probably are that way in every aspect of their lives...


I myself choose to look on the bright side of things and the hope that this country is turning around and will be AMERICA THE GREAT once again!!!  The America that other countries envy and want to be!


 


You made me laugh! Thanks! nm

I see. You made excuses for him. nm

You just made my point..........
Narrow minded people always assume, as the Obama supporters have, if you ain't for their guy, you must be for McCain. I couldn't stand either one of them. The populace, to include illegals, all ran to Obama and for what? Because they think the government is supposed to take care of them.

When I see people on this board griping and whining about one or the other parties, it amazes me why they gripe at all. They obviously don't care about this country at all, just themselves. I doubt most of them even bother to research anything for themselves. They let their TV screen do all their thinking for them, as now Obama will do for them.
Sure it made sense Mrs. M..........
it just brings to light how ignorant a lot of his voters were and still are and the others just voted out of sheer fear of the economy and their jobs. Want to hear some of it for yourself?

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

Same comments made over and over
nn
LOL...that one made everyone look good.

Was a deal made??? probably. sm
And no matter what deal was made or how or by who, bottom line is that the American people are going to get the brown end of the stick....AGAIN.
She should have T-shirts made saying,
nm
You can have wills made up and I'm

pretty sure nowadays, if you make Living Wills and your partner names you in it, it can't be broken. I would really see a lawyer to see what you could do.


Another thing...put everything in both names and in the will you would just have to state that the living partner gets all. To contest the will, you contestor would have to pay any fees, not you.


There are plenty of things you could probably do to protect each other. I would check into it. Check into other laws in other states, too, if there is nothing in your state to protect you, and move to that state if you have to.


I don't agree with the marriage between same sex, but I'm not against living together. My son's second wife's mother has had a partner for 30 years. They are very happy and have a wonderful life together. My son and DIL did not know how I would take it, and it took such a long time for them to tell me, but when the DIL was pregnant, they had no choice. At the baby shower, my mom and I were the only straight people there out of 20 couples, men and women. I sure felt out of place, especially since I didn't know a soul.


 


American made
and fuel systems. He does not work directly for one of the big 3 but his company ( very large, world-wide) has been feeling the trickle down for years. You are right that there are not perfect alternatives available currently to solve all of our problems but there are alternatives to help reduce the impact of the $4/gallon gas prices (that have gotten a lot of us in a mess). There are also many alternatives to the giant SUVs that the American makers push with the interest rates and financing. Why do you think the Hummer became so common place? Because they were thinking of stopping production but decided to lower the price, create a smaller version, and market it as being a family car. Now after a couple years people are finding it is still a gas guzzling SUV.

My husband and I have seen trouble brewing in automotive for the past 5-6 years. He's a creature of habit, I would have gotten out of the field while I could...but that's a whole other story.

It has been obvious in the discussions that he has told me about his through his employer that many did not want to sink a lot of money into technology and fuel system alternatives. They thought this was a fad that would blow by and society would stick with the (cheaper production) gas systems.

As you can tell, I am very bitter toward the industry and this mess that I feel they have gotten themselves in. A company does not go bankrupt in 30 days. 3 major companies all sinking at the same time? Coincidental to me.

Personally I hate to see it could potentially impact our life greatly if my husband loses his job but my overwhelming opinion is that these companies have been bad for a while and maybe 1 or 2 need to fade away to give the remaining strength to survive.
This made me laugh

 


http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/should-obama-messiah-hand-out-viagra-subsidies-too