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I agree, but there are atheists and others besides Christians on this board

Posted By: Backwards typist on 2008-11-06
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who think the religious posts are trying to shove their ideals down their throat which I know is not true, but it isn't really fair to the others.




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    Why do Christians think atheists are
    I am an atheist. I have a bachelors degree in theology. The atheists and agnostics I know personally have read and studied the Bible and many other belief systems before coming to the point in their lives where they come of the theological closet, as it were. In some cases, they are even more knowledgeable than some that practice the faith because they do not read the bible with a set doctrine that interprets it for them. The oft-held belief that all atheists are not knowledgeable of the Bible is simply not true.
    I get amazed every time I come on this board and read "strong Christians" who consistently pas
    (Didn't Jesus have something very wise and definite to say about that?), insult and degrade "heathens" if their spiritual beliefs are not EXACTLY those of the mainstream right, even though they supposedly love this country which was founded on religious freedom and tolerance for ALL; cast stones every which way (Jesus also had a lot of good stuff to say about that)....yeah, they can proclaim to know it all if they do it under the "true Christian" banner. Here is a question. If you died this second and had to defend some of these insulting inflammatory statement on this board, other than the fact of saying to Him "I was being a Christian," do you think Jesus would take that as an excuse, or would he shake his head in sadness that you really didn't get "all of the story" of the New Testament, where love, tolerance, mercy, forgiveness, and HUMILITY wer preached to all???????
    Wellthe Klan might thing their Christians but real Christians don't consider them that sm

    They are a radical group calling themselves Christians, like AL Queda calls themselves Muslim. 


    Here's another Famous Atheists
    http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/famous-atheists-faq.htm
    Atheists, in general,.....sm
    are not ignorant of the Bible. If I ever said anything that led anyone to believe that, then my words were misinterpreted. What I do believe is that atheists generally approach the Bible with the intent of proving it wrong or contradictory which is just another "doctrine" by which they interpret the Bible. There was a man named Lee Strobel who tried to prove atheism through the Bible and became a Christian in the process. Most would call him a failure at what he set out to do, but I believe he was a winner in the end.
    No not Christians, just far right wing radical Christians who,,,sm
    believe that God speaks directly only to them and do not welcome anyone who does not have their beliefs.
    I wasnt speaking to atheists.
    I am speaking to fellow Christians who might be considering Obama.  I wouldnt expect someone who doesnt believe in anything bigger outside of themselves to understand.  I wouldnt expect anyone who does not hold themselves accountable to a  higher being to be moved by the video or to hold themselves responsible for their choices in government.  If you dont believe in God or Jesus Christ, hey that is your business, but I do and that is my business.  So dont try to shove your humanistic opinion on me.
    I agree - please only one board
    I liked it so much better the other way. Being an independent who usually votes Republican, I like to see exchange of ideas, even if it gets somewhat heated at times. I think most people have enough sense to know that Americans have the right to their opinions, and enjoy a lively debate. That is JUST MY OPINION, if anyone cares.
    I agree....the left on this board, and beyond...sm
    seem to be very bitter, even in their win of the white house.


    I've never seen such a bunch of sore winners....ever....


    I wonder if the realization of what is to come has sunk in yet.....
    We have been saying this on the C board a long time. Agree. NM

    ...


    I agree - OP should take this comment to the faith board. -nm
    x
    Very well said. I agree. You and Sam bring a breath of fresh air to this board. sm
    I am learning more when I research courtesy of Sam and the more I dig, the more scared I get of Obama. He hasn't said one word about how he is going to fund universal health care for one. I could go on, but won't as the libs flame away at anybody who does not agree with their views and I just don't feel like dealing with it tonight. The last I knew, this was a free country and we are all entitled to our opinions.
    I agree people should leaving their freakin QA'ing out of the board
    x
    So you and your buds bash us on *your* board and suddenly, once you reach this board,

    some respect?


    You publicly post on the other board that you *try not to visit the bog of eternal stench.*


    Well, doesn't look like you are trying all that hard. Or is that another example of Conservative honesty, like your buddy on the other board lies 3 times before suddenly deciding to be *up front* (in her own words) about the whole bogus line of crap she was spouting.


    You and your 2 friends don't respect anyone unless they're a member of your little club, think exactly as you think, belong to the same political party as you belong, and believe in the very same little narrow SUBsection of one particular religion.


    That's what I interpret from YOUR WRITTEN WORDS.  Your posts don't show respect.  They only show twisted *facts*, ignorance, anger and hatred.


    You can't be *respectful* on your own board but suddenly, when you come here - HERE - the place YOU call *the bog of eternal stench* you suddenly discover some respectability during your mouse click from there to here?


    Please.  Some of us aren't as stupid as you think we are.


    You're becoming quite a bore.  You and your friends stated you don't want us on your board, but you're not happy unless you're picking a fight.  You and your *gang* told us to leave and not to post on *your* board.  Maybe that should work both ways.


    Out of ALL the problems with radical Conservatives, maybe the most annoying thing is that you don't believe in equality at all.  You believe in SUPERIORITY.  Somewhere along the line, someone made you think you were special and above everyone else.  Sheesh!  You're not happy unless you're dictating to everyone else in the country what they're allowed to do in their own personal lives regarding life, death, science, etc. You even think YOUR GOD IS BETTER than everyone else's.


    You want to make the rules, censor people and tell them which boards they can and cannot post on, but YOU want to invade them all and spew your ignorance and hatred. 


    In my heart, I believe there are sincere, honest, intelligent Conservatives out there who are capable of a sensible debate.  I've seen them.  (I hope you don't chase them away, too.)  But and your crew don't fall in that category, and this will be the last of your inane posts I will subject myself to.


    Talk about stench. Just read your very own posts.


    Can we bring the board back to the true reason for the board

    Can we get the political board back to the true purpose of this board – to share opinions of why we like our candidate.  Not bash and cut down others because they don’t agree with you.


    I stayed away from this board for the past couple days because anyone who had anything positive to say about Sarah Palin got slammed, bashed, kicked down, etc.  After awhile I found it all too draining, and was not seeing any reason to come.  Yes, I did see some of it towards people who favored Barack Obama, but if you read the posts again it is mostly towards anyone who favored Sarah Palin/John McCain.


    I thought the political board was for posting information regarding politics and candidates.  What I have seen for the past few days is that it has been an attack board.  Especially if you have anything positive you want to share about Sarah Palin.  You say something good about her and you get attacked, you answer back, and you get attacked more, and then when you get mad and pretty much say stop attacking me, they come back with this “Geez, I’m allowed to have an opinion”.


    Another thing I am tired of seeing is the slanderous, hate filled, really off the wall comments about Sarah Palin.  The latest was something about her daughter actually had her baby.  Talk about just bizarre comments.  I thought what’s next, she’s an alien from another planet?  The more I kept reading the more the comments were getting just really weird and bizarre.  Of course nobody ever having any proof of any of these allegations.  I then came to realize that the posters were just trying to get a fight going.


    I also saw posts that had nothing to do with politics but attacking a poster named Sam.  Again, probably trying to get another fight going for no good reason and on things that have nothing to do whatsoever with politics.  I’ve read “Sam is like an annoying nat that you sway away”, “Sam, please let me know where you work” or “she must have her quota” or “sam is to the politics board as oracle is to the”  This childish rhetoric is getting old.  I’m not defending sam she is a big girl and I can see by her posts she can take care of herself, but my point is that this has nothing to do with politics.  If you want a fight maybe you could request that the administrator create a separate “fight and degrade” section.


    I’ve read the administrators post a couple different times called Beware of Flaming.  She/he said as long as we realize that not everyone is going to agree we shouldn’t wear our feelings on our sleeves and a little more oversight on here would be good.  Let people express his or her opinion and move on.  If you don’t like someone just ignore that person. “It’s not rocket science, you know” (I liked that statement)


    I consider posting on this board a privilege and not a right.  If you don’t agree with something and you post that you don’t agree and state the facts why (and are civilized about it) that’s one thing, but when you bash and degrade others without showing proof and just want to start fights and belittle others it just seems a bit juvenile to me.


    I come to the politics board to hear ideas and stuff (facts) about the candidates.  That is how I’m learning about each one, but I don’t want to read people attack other posters for no good reason.  I'd like to hear about Obama/Biden & McCain/Palin, but I want to hear facts.


    If you like to fight so much why don’t you pick on people that you can fight to face to face. 


    You mean Christians.
    Is that what you are talking about?  What other board?
    That may be so....but Christians, at least the ones I know...
    do not want to control the government. And too many times a strictly moral issue is ascribed to a "religious nut." Take abortion for example. There are nonreligious people who are against abortion, strictly on moral grounds, that it is wrong to kill innocent life. There are liberals who are against abortion for that reason...their reasoning is that you can't be against war because it kills and be for abortion, because it kills. That is their reasoning. For me, the basic moral precept of not committing murder should apply to the unborn as well as the "born" and that basic moral precept is enhanced by my faith. Everything I know about Jesus tells me his heart breaks every time an abortion occurs. Because of my faith, my heart also hurts for those millions of lives ended. People talk on and on and on about individual freedoms...yet walk all over the most basic of those...the right to life. Somehow people think they have the right to choose whether someone gets to live or not live. And I think that is way too much power...for one individual to have over the life of another. In any other case of that, when a person exercises that kind of power...it is illegal, it is wrong, it is murder, or manslaughter, or whatever you want to call it. And then you get into the business of defining when life starts. It is just my opinion that that is not a decision that is up to us. And an opinion I am entitled to. People protest the death penalty. No one calls them fanatics. To me there is no difference...lethal injection, abortion. Both kill. Sure, one has comitted a crime, which only makes the other more heinous. What crime did that developing child commit?

    I do not say that to start an abortion thread. It is just to illustrate a point. I, as a Christian, believe in a moral code. I believe you should care about your fellow man, and churches in this country used to take care of the poor and weak in this country, before such a thing as a social program. No one had to force us to do it, we just did it. That kind of serving attitude, in my opinion, is good in public servants. They do need to serve a cause greater than themselves, and in their case I am not saying it is God. I am saying it is the American people. If more lawmakers listened to their Christian teachings they would do so. Not just serving God in their everyday lives, but serving the American people, because that is their job.

    I agree it is not up to lawmakers to project their beliefs on an entire nation. Again there is the issue of abortion. That is not a "religious" issue. It is a moral issue...there are many nonreligious people who believe that it is wrong. Just like people believe other things are wrong and seek to legislate against those. Not from "religious" grounds, but moral grounds.

    And you shouldn't characterize all Christians with the radicals. We are exhorted not to characterize all Muslims as terrorists. Just afford Christians the same courtesy, that's all I am saying.
    no wonder christians have a bad name
    Wow, aren't you a little smarty pants. So glad the whole world isn't just like you. I'm a Jew, we believe G-d's name is sacred and don't like to write it out unless it is going to be protected. Maybe you should go to h*ll because you don't seem to be a good example of how a christian should behave.

    I have faith in G-d, and my people have for many, many years, long before there was a Jesus.


    Well, not all Christians, but most of the
    one on this board. I am a diest myself.
    I'm just saying what most Christians believe
    Just explaining why people see Muslim as wrong. I don't judge anybody or their beliefs. I can't stand people who do that and act all high and mighty. I have my own personal ones I won't get into here, but I would never force mine on somebody else.
    Do you think that Christians who

    believe abortion is murder are just religious quacks trying to push their religious beliefs on others?  You don't have to be Christian to believe that abortion is wrong. 


    I do believe that there are some Christians out there who do turn more people away from religion than bringing them to it because of the way they go about it.  But having religion and believing in things doesn't mean that we should have to give up our beliefs because someone else does not any more than you should have to put up with religion when you don't believe.  This is where we have the problem. 


    I think abortion has to be a give and take kind of thing.  I personally feel that it is wrong, however, I would be willing to compromise for the sake of meeting in the middle with people who believe it is a personal choice and not murder.  I am 100% against late-term abortions as I feel there is no other word for that than MURDER.  However, I could live with the early abortions.  I have no problem with the morning after pill as to me that isn't much different than the birth control pill.


    I just feel that there are people on the far right who need to unwind their panties..but I also believe that there are some far left people who need to do so themselves. 


    This is kind of like smokers versus non-smokers.  Smokers feel they have the right to light up wherever they want because that is their right.  However, non-smokers have a right to breathe clean air.  So which one is right?  Who rights are infringed upon?


    Abortion is another subject where not everyone will be completely happy with.  No matter what decision is made, people are going to complain.  I just wish that we could somehow meet in the middle.  Allow early term, deny late-term unless it is a life/death situation and just shut up about it. 


    Christians?

    This was a very misfortunate event, but it was just an example of cult worship and weak minded people that killed their own children.  I have no respect for people who kill children - NONE! 


    Christians?
    I would have to wonder about that.  Christians worship Jesus/God.  Those people worshiped Jones, though they claimed to be Christians.  Christianity is not a cult.
    True Christians?!?!?
    This is JOKE, right?? An article out of MAD Magazine or something???
    I wish they would be real Christians. Just once.
    It's very hard to understand how those who cheer war, torture and the fleecing of the poor think that their values are Jesus-oriented. It is scary to think what they have made of Jesus in their own minds, to believe he is applauding what they do.
    Christians do that, not Muslims.
    You state regarding Obama...He's linked with Ahmedinejad and therefore if he gets elected they will have an open invitation to come and get us and turn everyone into a muslim.

    The last time I checked, it was the Christians who were trying to make everyone accept Jesus Christ as their savior and convert to them Christianity. Personally, I have never heard of Muslims trying to force anyone to believe as they do.
    She didn't say anything about Christians
    nm
    Sorry you are so bitter towards Christians but you are right
    ++
    true Christians
    I consider myself a true Christian. I was baptized in the Southern Baptist Church when I was 11, and converted to Presbyterian Church USA as an adult, where I am an ordained Elder and Deacon. I am voting for Obama.

    I am pro-choice and pro gay civil unions. The bible talks a lot more about tithing than it does about homosexuality (we just had a great sermon on this, but I don't remember the exact number difference.) Most Christians aren't up in arms for those who don't tithe. Homosexuality has been around forever, as has abortion (performed by midwives, etc., using herbs and other methods.)

    I am married, with 2 children. I have never had to make the choice on abortion and hopefully never will. I hope my daughter never has to make this choice, but I sure as h@ll want it to be available to her if she does.

    I think marriage is up to the individual churches, and many churches do perform gay marriages. I think that the government should allow civil unions. I really don't care what 2 people come together as a couple. I wish them all the love and happiness and support I have had in my own marriage for 21+ years.

    How dare you say I am not a true Christian because my beliefs are different from yours. Christians come in many "flavors" and you are free to believe as you wish, and I don't think you are more or less Christian because of it.

    I agree with the other posters, religion and politics don't mix and never should.
    They are NOT Christians......they are evil
    @@
    not all republicans are christians.

    x


    Why woul d you think this was done by Christians?
    Racial slurs and swastikas are your idea of Christian symbols? What you are speaking of is a crime, but I wouldn't chalk it up to Christians.

    And I will gladly identify as a Christians. Though I don't usually thump my Bible, I do read it.



    So it's okay to offend Christians...
    And yet this putz bows to Muslims.

    Things that make you go 'hmmmm.'
    He does not only lead Christians
    .
    why is it that the Christians are self-righteous sm
    condescending and judgement and insulting and your posts are not? Whether you get to heaven is based on whether you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and SAvior. You cannot do anything on your own to warrant heaven.

    Whether you believe or not, I am not going to deny my Lord and Savior because you think I am condescending or anything else. I truly hope you reconsider.
    So you don't think Christmas is for the Christians?
    Wow. I thought that was how it got its name. Good Friday/Easter aren't about Christians?

    Since you don't believe that these are celebration of Christian theology, please don't let your voice be one of those complaining about the secularization of Christmas, since you don't feel it's Christian anyway.
    First of all Christians who witness know sm
    they cannot "save" anyone. Only Jesus Christ can save a soul. If a Christian is witnessing the proper way, he isn't pushing anything down anyone's throat. I will admit, there are some who don't do things correctly and it makes it bad for the ones who do.

    As a Christian I want to see everyone I can come to know the Lord Jesus Chris in the free pardon of sin. They have every right to the same heaven I do. Its up to that person to decide who they will serve. It is a free choice.
    Why are you using only Christians in this debate
    I think a lot of people opposed to gay marriage are not Christians at all, and some who may be in support of it may very well be Christians.  What does being Christian have to do with it at all?
    Your on the wrong board - you need to preach on the faith board
    You just delivered a sermon (or quote). Either way it doesn't belong here. What does this have to do with politics. The democrat and republican party did not start up until after the 1800s. Socialism also wasn't created until the 1800s.

    To me your post describes the way humans should treat other humans. This has nothing to do with politics - imho.

    Because you posted on the Main board not Politics board.
    It was removed, as we do not have an option of moving from Main to Politics.

    This could have easily been avoided had you posted on the correct board.

    The response from another poster to not post political viewpoints on this board was becuase you posted it on the Main board.
    I SAID most religious people...I did NOT say most Christians.
    You guys don't rule the world, ya know. Just your little corner...just your own lives, not everyone else's.
    Christians are persecuted all over the world. sm
    ESPECIALLY in intolerant Muslim countries.  Voice of the Martyrs is a very good source for this information. 
    Micro chip in Christians maybe?

    We dont need entertainment when it comes to people and their beliefs..I think you need to check with your Jewish friends (are there any in your neck of the woods?) and see if they were **entertained** with her comments, if they laughed while looking at their parents tattoos from Germany or remembering the stories of their grandparents escaping Europe before and during WWII..LOL..big laugh, right??  Freaking ignorant if you ask me...maybe Christians need to get a sensitivity chip in their brains?? You know, to perfect them??


    America was NOT founded by Christians...sm
    The founding fathers were deists, and some would most likely even be considered atheists by today's standards. Either way, they were, above all, *secularists.* They were NOT Christians.

    I get so tired of this "America has always been a Christian nation" lie perpetuated by the Christian right. It's more accurate to say that America has always been infested with Christian (and other) relious nut bags who wanted to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats, and have always tried to use our system of govt. to try to make that happen. That I'll give you.

    Oh, and the tired old, "Separation of church and state isn't in the constitution." Anyone can see that the concept is there. Well, not anyone, I guess. You can't see it if you view everything through that nice, thick religious lens that they must hand out at some churches.

    As for our government "pulling many laws right out of the Bible" that's pretty funny. You think the Bible is the only place we got that information, and if it wasn't written down in there, we wouldn't know not to do those things? Sorry, but that's just wrong. Humans throughout history have not liked it when other humans murdered, lied, cheated, stole, treated others badly, etc., long before the Bible was ever written. Maybe you haven't noticed that these same laws exist around the world, regardless of their religion, or lack thereof? Christians didn't invent them. But I guess they like to think they did.

    The arrogance of Christiantity never ceases to amaze me. And you wonder why there is such animosity towards you.

    See the quotes posted below...they WERE Christians...
    not Deists, and described themselves as such.
    The fundamentalist Christians aren't a very

    The major difference between Christians and...
    radical Islam is free choice...it is your choice whether or not to accept Christ...we do not chop off heads. THAT is my way or the highway.
    I prefer Muslims to Christians!
    I find the Muslims I know to be well educated, polite, family oriented, and very gentle people. I cannot say the same for the Christians I have met. This is based on my own personal experience, so there is no need for flaming from the right-wing Christian fanatics.
    This country was founded by Christians...
    form of government founded by Christians, documents authored by Christians...Christians, Christians, Christians. Radical? Perhaps. Christians? Most definitely.
    Christians don't hate gays
    but the Bible says it is a sin. We love gay people and hope that they come to know the Lord and in doing so will understand it's a sin. Marriage is for a man and a woman.

    Please, if you don't really understand Christianity, don't speak about it. People make so many assumptions about what we believe.

    Love the person, hate the sin. We are all sinners. Gays are no worse than us. My telling a little white lie is just as much of a sin as someone being gay which is just as much of a sin as someone killing a child. In God's eyes there are no "levels" of sin. That's why we need Jesus, to pay our sin debt, because all the good works in the world can't save us.

    Flame away...
    That's not far right wing radical Christians..that's the
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