I could not possibly agree with you more
Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-10-30
In Reply to: What about his comment to Joe the Plumber? - sbMT
about rewarding laziness. However, if you REALLY listen, that is NOT what Obama is proposing. He is proposing to tax those with more wealth (seems fair to me) in order to take some of the burden off the middle class....which is probably you, I know it is ME. Not a word have I heard him speak about rewarding laziness. I expect he worked pretty hard to get where he is so I can't imagine why he would want to give what he worked for himself to other people who are too lazy to put forth any effort. Makes absolutely no sense to me.
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How can you possibly know that?!
I am amazed by your psychic abilites! No one thought Bush would take us down like a rock and how quickly it could be done!
Quite possibly. But I am sure there would be one...
who could perform just as well who does not have a commercial stake in the outcome of the election.
Possibly s/m
He went over to the "dark side" whatever that means because he uses his head for something besides a hat rack. Did you happen to notice that he donated the maximum of $2300 to the McCain campaign in the beginning? Personally I have great respect for Colin Powell and would have voted for him if he were running for the office. You die hard republicans need to get over yourself and wake up and smell the coffee. McCain/Palin are NOT good for America.
Possibly
but I have a feeling if this guy is out mugging people he may just be unintelligent enough to think a backwards B is correct...plus I'm sure if he was on drugs or something he wasn't to concerned about being alphabetically correct.
or possibly
(not saying he is, just an idea) if he is a radical muslim (let us remember not all muslims are radicals!) he was planted in the church for 20 years so everyone would argue that he is a Christian.
Just my conspiracy theory for you :)
I don't know if he is or if he isn't. All I do know is most Christians don't mock the Bible, and if you check out the video on the faith board he does just that. If he had made fun of the Koran or any other religion like that he would have been in BBBIIIGGGG trouble! But it's not hate if it's against Christians!
Just possibly...........
studying pig poop is not such a bad idea when you consider what the methane gas will do to this world once the permafrost melts (which is ongoing) and releases enough methane gas to destroy our planet........scribble it all down to a few sound bytes and it all sounds ridiculous. Keep beating your drum, it served you well in the past election. And who gives a rats about Rush......except maybe you since he is the unofficial leader of the pub party.
Just possibly...........
studying pig poop is not such a bad idea when you consider what the methane gas will do to this world once the permafrost melts (which is ongoing) and releases enough methane gas to destroy our planet........scribble it all down to a few sound bytes and it all sounds ridiculous. Keep beating your drum, it served you well in the past election. And who gives a rats about Rush......except maybe you since he is the unofficial leader of the pub party.
Oh please....how sexist can you possibly be???
She governed when she was pregnant with the child and she was back at work soon after. If you had watched her speech, you see she has a wonderful support system in her husband and her older daughter. Are you really saying a woman is incapable of taking care of her family and running the country and a man is? Simply by virtue of their sex?
Alaska is not a small state. It is more than twice the size of Texas.
If McCain keeled over two days after they took office (God forbid!), we would still have a President with more experience in executive office than we will have Obama is elected on day 1.
That is simply the fact. He will need multiple advisors, she would need multiple advisors. There is nothing in his resume that says he is more qualified to lead, and govern, than she is.
And she is not running for the #1...he is.
You cannot possibly be that ignorant.....
Teenagers have been raising babies since the beginning of time. Only until the last few decades has it been scoffed at that a teenager should have a baby and NO, I don't encourage any young person to go that route before they finish school and hopefully go on to college or at least, find a spouse first and then have a child. In an ideal world, that is the route I would wish for them all.
But in Bristol's case, my point was, and you know it, that I doubt very seriously I will have to support her and her child. Do I want 12-even 17 year olds having babies? No, but I can GUARANTEE you because I see it in my community EVERYDAY, that if they are working to raise their own child and I mean truly out there WORKING and not sitting on their behinds letting me pay for their child, they more than likely will have learned a very valuable lesson in life about raising a child and will in all likelihood not be so fast to have another one.
But, when those teenagers who take no responsibility continue to have one child after another and they are ALL on the taxpayer's payroll, you better believe they have no business with a baby.
What business is it of yours if a teenager has a baby if you're not having to pay for it womb to whenever??
Strong, possibly. But was I saw most was
And it couldn't possibly have anything to do...(sm)
with the fact that we've lost around 3 million jobs this year, and the rate of job losses is not slowing down? Do yourself a favor. When you get that check in the mail from the government that you so disagree with, why don't you just send it back with a note saying *Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer to wait for the trickle.* I'm sure you'll feel much better about yourself then.
I really find it hard to understand why people like yourself fight so hard against policies that would benefit you. In case you haven't noticed, the stimulus plan he is proposing IS the middle class bailout. How many times on this board did pubs say *where's my bailout* during the first bailout? And now those same people are turning their noses up and trying to act like they are above it simply because a pub isn't the one who is trying to fix this mess.
It's not the economy that's killing this nation. It's people like you who would rather divide the country than accept the reality that the other side might actually have a good idea. Nixon would be so proud.
You cannot possibly watch FOX and say that.
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This is possibly the most disorganized
ramble I've ever read on this board. I truly cannot figure out what you are trying to say.
Could you possibly be any more bitter and hateful? sm
I see your posts all over. You just posted on the conservative board but didn't have the nerve to put your usual "gt" signature. I have never seen someone so totally consumed with bitterness, rage and, well, just plain ugliness.
Oh, for Heaven's sakes.....you can't possibly
There are a LOT of good parents whose son/daughter couldn't control their hormones at age 17 and YOUNGER. When my children were teenagers, I couldn't follow them around all day and night. They heard me talk year after year about the consequences of having sex too early, even if they thought they had it under control. That's all I could do. I would ask where they would be, who with, and give them a time I expected them home or ELSE, but look sister, we all know things can get heated up very fast and it doesn't take but ONE time and a couple of minutes to get pregnant. I am relieved my daughter didn't find herself in that situation and I hope and pray my 20 something son won't either. He knows our feelings and we hope he acts responsibly.
Do you have children or teenagers and if so, do you follow them around all day, every minute of the day, even when you think they are where they say they are? I doubt it.
The young lady will have to deal with her decision and hopefully, her younger sisters will also learn from this.....don't go this route. That certainly doesn't mean I would give up on the mother. I do know good mothers whose daughters got pregnant and it did come as a shock, but I didn't automatically think, wow, what a terrible mother.
Possibly, but I certainly have not heard McCain
say one word reprimanding these people - which in essence says a lot.
No, but I am aware of possibly 1000s
of democrats being registered to vote who do not have the legal right to vote, people who don't even exist. Suppression, are you kidding?
What can he possibly hope to gain by
showcasing his own hypocrisy? This will not be the last time we will see obstructive partisan tactics from sore losers whose eyes stay trained on the next election cycle. These types strive to undermine any progress that can be made on behalf of the voters to further their own self-serving interests.
If there is no provision in election protocol to account for this specific circumstance, then the logical step would be to create one for next time, not to filibuster in an attempt to strip Minnesota voters of representation for some undetermined period of time. This is probably not the best of strategies for a party who lost 7 (and probably 8) senate seats, and will be sitting with 58 or 59 dems and 2 independents who have tendencies to lean toward the dems.
Being from Texas, I can tell you that sucking up will not come easy for John Cornyn, but I say let him show his true colors. He'll ultimately end up cutting off his nose to spite his own face.
She cannot possibly raise that child and utilize her master's, though,
Certainly you'd never encourage your daughter to spend time working on a MASTER'S while trying to also raise a child!! You've just bashed another mother for doing something similar, so I don't get it. Or is okay if you only have ONE child or what? Please fill me in on the double standard you uphold.
Pure entertainment (or possibly not) see link inside...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,415441,00.html
She's going to talk to police and possibly make public statment tmrw
Will be interesting. I'm sure we'll know soon enough if this story is true.
A CIA agent who needs to have her identity remain anonymous in order to possibly save her life. And
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I've got a question for the lefties. How are we supposed to elicit valuable, possibly life-savin
information from a terrorist if we don't use enhanced interrogation techniques? What do you suggest? We serve them a buffet and politely ask what their next target is? And when they refuse to talk, we just say well, thanks anyway, go with Allah?
Enhanced interrogation techniques or torture, if you will, is a necessary evil in this perpetually dark and dangerous world we live in.
who could possibly care? War, financial ruin, health care needs.
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I agree, that goes for both sides. I don't agree with those starting trouble over...sm
on your board either, but then some of you come and take it out on the people who only post here and we have nothing to do with the fights over there.
I enjoy communicating with liberals and occasionally do learn something from conservative posters, so I refuse to let the driveby, no moniker, one-sided finger pointers, self-indulging posters drive me off.
Rush is right. I agree. Somebody's gotta agree.
....in many of his policies in his attempt to completely socialize America.
I hope he fails.
I hope he succeeds, however, in the office of president, and doing the right thing, and moves to the center.
However, it's not looking good. He's left of left so far, isn't he. Showing who he truly is, in his first acts as president.
I sure don't agree with
the Supreme Court's decision on eminent domain, either, and I also hope that guy buys Souter's property and turns it into a hotel. I love the name of the restaurant he wants to build in the hotel: Just Desserts. (I can't remember which TV show I saw that on because, contrary to those on these boards who already have me figured out, I DON'T only watch MSNBC. I actually flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox. I'm sure it was one one of those stations, though.)
And I totally agree with a woman's right to choose.
I do have a problem with partial birth abortions, based on my limited understanding of it, which is what I've heard the conservatives say about a full or nearly full-term baby being basically born and then "beaten to death" by the doctor. (From what I've discovered from some conservatives on these boards in the past few days, I take everything they say with a grain of salt and accept the possibility up front that it's an exaggerated statement devoid of critical facts.)
But if this is indeed true, then I don't know how it could be considered anything BUT murder. And I don't understand the issue regarding the health of the mother because if the mother can survive the delivery of a baby that can survive outside the womb, then the issue would seem nonexistent. (Again, I don't know that much about it.)
I also have mixed feelings about children and abortion. One the one hand, it is a surgical procedure, and if my child can't even have her ears pierced without my consent, then certainly she shouldn't be allowed to have a surgical procedure without my consent.
But what about if she's been impregnated as the result of a rape by her father or other family member? That sick stuff DOES happen in this country. What if she knows she wants an abortion? Should she be forced to have the baby? I can think of situations where she might be safer if the parents didn't know, but yet I still feel the parents have a right to know. I'm very conflicted about this particular issue and can't say I have a definite opinion. That's why I'd like to hear more on the subject from some intelligent, thoughtful, nonjudgmental people.
As far as gay marriages, I admit I get a little "twinge" at the use of the word "marriage." It might be that something deep in my gut is telling me that marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman. After all, WE invented it and WE wrecked it. I think they should invent a new name for their unions because from what I've personally seen, gay couples seem to last for a very long time, much longer than some marriages I know. As far as whether or not they should have rights, why SHOULDN'T they? I don't recall a day during puberty when I woke up and made the decision that I was going to be straight. Likewise, I'm willing to bet that no gay person woke up and decided to be gay. I just don't understand why people are so threatened by the thought that a group might actually have RIGHTS in this country. As with abortion or stem cell research, etc., if they don't believe in it, they shouldn't PARTICIPATE IN IT. I'm neither pro-gay or anti-gay. (A quick look in the mirror, though, reminds me that I'm definitely pro-gray. )
With all of these social issues, as you said, we will "stand in judgment with our maker." That's between us and our own personal God, and those with different religious/spiritual beliefs have no right to shove their beliefs down our throat.
I saw a post on the other board referring to when the U.S. was founded, saying that the vast majority was Christian but that others were given "the freedom to others not to believe..."
NOBODY can "give" anyone "freedom" to either believe or not to believe, and the fact that this poster thinks they can is either very stupid or very scary, and I'm not exactly sure which it is. I think this is relevant because I believe there are some conservatives out there who don't only want the law to reflect their specific narrow brand of religion, but they would LOVE to be able to control what people think and believe.
Knowing that Bush is going to appoint one (maybe two before the end of the year) new Supreme Court Justice(s) scares me because, as you said, our rights are being slowly taken away, and this man has proven by his own actions that the personal freedoms of others aren't things that he cares for much, especially freedom of speech and ideas. That's why he banned anyone who didn't agree 100% with his views from all of his "open town hall" meetings.
We also have an evangelical Senator who holds a public meeting in a search and says that liberals aren't people of faith.
First, it's freedom of speech. Next, it will be freedom of religion. What about freedom of "thought."
I wonder what their views on stem cell research would be if it was discovered that stem cell research held the key to developing a new technique to control thought processes of those who disagree with them. 
I AGREE
I agree with a few of your points..maybe this govt will push us liberals and conservatives together..how great that would be. I agree with eminent domain, I dont know about the abortion issue for a young person, however, I feel empathy for them. Regarding gay marriage. I feel there is not enough love in this word and if two people find love and want to be married, let them. I personally do not believe in marriage..dont want the govt or anyone else keeping tabs on my personal life. I have lived with my male friend for 11 years and dont want anyone telling me what choices to make in my adult life.
agree
I agree with you..why, a lot of my friends are conservative (smile), they really are. We agree on a lot and disagree on a bit but do it in a friendly manner. My dream..that both ideologies can live together peacefully..
I agree!!!
These people on here are pretty nasty to conservatives. They are definitely not living up to their standards of tolerance and peace. They seem very angry even enraged. I don't think we should rip each other apart. It serves not useful purpose whatsoever.
I agree with most of what you said.
However, I don't think it's because of President Bush AND his DADDY. I think George W. came into office hell bent on finishing what his daddy DIDN'T finish and only needed a reason, real or invented, to "finish" it. And I totally agree with you when you say that this was his personal agenda. I think the disconnect is that many people want him to focus on terror, but his personal agenda has always caused his focus instead to be on Iraq, and I personally am very fearful for the future of this country as a result of that.
Agree with everything you said
I believe they will definitely find a way to twist it if some are found guilty. Under no circumstances will they admit that this administration could possibly do anything wrong.
I so agree with you. Even one is way too
many.
I agree. I think they're ill.
It should be criminal to expose children to such hostility and insanity. It sounds like real violence could have ensued if these whackos would have been crossed in any way.
I almost feel for some of these people. A brief visit to the Conservative board left me thinking I should have worn a helmet and worn body armor. Although it's a scary place over there, it must be terrible to exist inside a body that harbors such rage and hatred every day, 24/7. I don't understand what has happened to their religion, but my Christian religion still promotes love, tolerance, respect and the principles of the Golden Rule, all attributes that seem completely foreign to them. All they do is trash others and haven't contributed one positive thing to that board.
Sometimes I think there isn't much difference between these people and the terrorists who attacked us and other countries. They both exhibit signs of mental illness, a maniacal obsession with controlling what everyone believes, and they both promote hatred, violence and intolerance in the name of their respective gods. About the only main difference I can see is that the terrorists, unfortunately, seem to be much more intelligent in their pursuit of their goals.
I agree.
The only way to do it is to DO IT, increase our troops, speed up training their troops, and GET OUT. We've created such an unnecessary mess over there, I think it would be very immoral to just invade, turn their country upside and leave without fixing what we broke.
I agree with you
I had the same feeling about Roberts and I was glad to hear he had done this pro bono work.
Let's hope he really is a "good guy" with a heart and a brain.
I agree.
With every day that passes, I feel less and less hope. I've never been this frightened of a politician in my entire life.
I agree with you.
And I wonder if we had stepped it up a while back, how much of this would be going on today. The more we delay, the better they get at their "craft."
I wish we had never gone in there to begin with and think it's one of the biggest mistakes a president could have ever made. But we're there, and we can't just go in there, turn their country upside down and leave without leaving them with some semblance of normalcy. Those who said this is a quagmire were right on the money.
I agree
Anyone who has anything less than a hate Bush agenda should burn in hell as far as GT is concerned. I too don't agree with Bush 100% on everything, but that does not matter to GT. If you agree with Bush on anything you should not pass GO and go straight to hell along with Bush's Stepford wife and alcoholic daughters. Am I painting that picture correctly GT?
I agree with you.
What you said is so profoundly true and so profoundly sad. I think over time Bush will be viewed as a pawn or a stooge. Who or what do you think may be the controlling force behind Bush? I have read articles on the "Vulcans" but have read little about this recently.
I agree.
It keeps promising to leave (yet another lie). Maybe if we ignore it, it will go away.
I agree.....
I am a moderate conservative, and a Republican, although I'd consider a moderate Democrat like Joe Lieberman or somebody reasonable, however, the Democrats won't nomiate anybody like that, so my vote stays Republican.
As for hand outs and hand ups... There's a big difference between somebody who is unable to work and somebody who is unwilling to work. The individual who is physically or mentally unable to work, or the hard working family who falls on hard times for whatever reason that is out of their control, those people deserve some help. Hands outs/hands up, whatever you want to call it should be viewed as a stepping stone to self sufficiency.
I feel for the innocent victims (children) of those who embrace a lifestyle of just taking free money from those of us in society who work hard, but I havn't much compassion for able bodied young people who refuse to work. If an uneducated person is working hard but not making enough to sustain themselves they can avail themselves of food stamps, WIC, free school lunches, and I don't a problem with that. But, drive through a poor neighborhood and watch the young healthy people sitting on stoops and standing on corners doing nothing all day instead of working. Whether it be pursuing their GED, or taking vocational classes, they should be at least thinking of bettering themselves instead of just resigning to a life of free hand outs.
agree!
I hear ya and yes I agree we should stay away..There are a lof of other political boards through the net, where we can discourse/debate with conservatives over ideas and America without being attacked like mad dogs (I hate to use the analogy as mad dogs as my dogs are much kinder than the conservatives who post here..smile)..
I agree with you.
I think O'Reilly got a taste of his own medicine and was about to lose it. I roared when Phil called him Billy, and Phil in no way denigrated Bill's nephew, but Phil had asked if any of O'Reilly's kids are serving in Iraq. O'Reilly tried to use his nephew's service to detract from the fact that NONE of his own children are there. I think that's what made O'Reilly the angriest: The fact that Phil zapped him on that point.
I agree with you both.
And now that Libby (yuck! I should change my moniker) and Rove are both implicated in the Plame scandal, it will be interesting to see what Fitzgerald's findings are, and they should be coming soon.
I also agree about Cheney. He's very scary. There is definitely a very shrewd, conniving network at work in this administration, and Bush simply isn't bright enough to do this on his own. And there are no standards of decency left on any level in this administration, which is incredible for the CONs, considering all they ever babble about is their superior *decency*. For example, they blatantly lie without blinking an eye, as do some of their more dedicated followers. If anyone dares to disagree with this president, the response it to DESTROY the opponent (not unlike what happens on these boards, only to a more dangerous degree, such as exposing Valerie Plame, for example). Nothing is out of bounds any more.
I'm eagerly awaiting the results of Fitzgerald's investigation. 
I agree with you as far as
the definition. But to read some posts on these boards, you'd think it WAS communism. It's a part of their mantra that you're worse than a traitor if you have anything GOOD to say about it, so it looks like McCarthyism is still alive in well in today's CONservative party!
I agree
I agree with you..I have always believed there was a **supreme being** who was creating evolution.
Agree 100%
with your post Freethinker..its a scary world out there, like the Twilight Zone or something.
I agree with that, too.
Schools are for teaching science, and churches are for teaching religion, except in the cases where there are private religious schools, which are certainly there for the purpose to teach both, which is great!
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Actually I agree with you.
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