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I found that comical but.....

Posted By: Chele on 2009-01-31
In Reply to: A friend sent me this email today about the stimulus payments. Thought this board could use a laugh. - Lu

it is really sad when you think about it.  Makes you wonder WHAT will stimulate this economy. 


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What I find comical is that

you complain about giving the people their money back that they paid in taxes....after all it is OUR money and instead would prefer to have that money put into a spendulous package where OUR money is given to organizations, etc. and hope that it helps. 


I took the post about paying off mortgages as somewhat playful and wishful thinking.  It will never happen, but it is nice to think about what you could do with the money you spend on your mortage each month and whether you like it or not....more people not paying mortgages will put more money into the system which will help.


Instead, we have money going to Pelosi's mice, etc.  I could see where we would rather our money go to that than helping people stay in their homes....but whatever.  Maybe we can get the mice to run in a huge wheel to generate electricity for us.....then again....you would have the PETA up your butt about animal cruelty.  


What I found so far

I see where Perle and Rice take exception to some of his statements, but that's all I could find.  And I guess that would expected as they do have to protect themselves.  Also, it's very hard to find opinions that do not have a noticeable right or left slant.  If anyone out there has suggestions on middle-of-the-road, non-politically-sided information sites please let me know.


My point was how many people have to step forward and report that the White House manipulated the truth before it gets addressed?  How many can you dismiss as saying they had a book to sell, or they were protecting their careers, etc.?  At what point does some of what they are saying (Clark, Tenet, Powell to name a few) become believable?


I found it for myself sm

An eagle-eyed reporter for the ABC affiliate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, noticed something missing from Democratic presidential contender Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., lapels.


"You don't have the American flag pin on. Is that a fashion statement?" the reporter asked, at the end of a brief interview with Obama on Wednesday. "Those have been on politicians since Sept. 12, 2001."


Catch David Wright's report tonight on "World News with Charles Gibson."



The standard political reply to that question might well have been, "My patriotism speaks for itself."


But Obama didn't say that.


Instead the Illinois senator answered the question at length, explaining that he no longer wears such a pin, at least in part, because of the Iraq War.


"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.



"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."


In Iowa, some Obama supporters applauded the candidate's fashion statement. Said Carrie Haurum of Waterloo: "He doesn't need to wear that flag on his lapel. He wears it in his heart."


But talk radio and cable news quickly pounced on the issue.








"It just shows you he's not ready for the big time," conservative Laura Ingrams opined on Fox News.


Said Sean Hannity: "Why do we wear pins? Because our country is under attack!"


The Obama campaign declined to expand on the senator's statement. Spokesman Bill Burton said, "His comments speak for themselves."


But, Obama responded to the mini controversy.


"I'm less concerned with what you're wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart," Obama said Thursday while campaigning in Independence, Iowa.


"You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. And you show your patriotism by being true to your values and ideals. And that's what we have to lead with, our values and ideals," Obama said.


Of course, if he had said that in the first place, he might have avoided any controversy.


I found this almost sad...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/24/eveningnews/main4476173.shtml


 


 


found what I found..
This was actually on the wall street journal on line this morning. It was edited in. Here is what I found: Unfortunately, I can't provide the link; sorry. This is a quote from it, though.

"Take a closer look. It's a jpg screenshot of a webpage, easily edited. Seeing as they're running pidgin instant messenger in the background, I'd guess that the GIMP is probably the likely photo editing software of choice."

Bth of which can be found there.
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I found this....sm
I could only find these two. The first video won't play, and had this line on it. And when I put the whole line in google, I got the aol video.



"Senator Obama proposes a tax credit in the form of a check in the mail for mortgage interests, college tuition savings, childcare, clean cars, earned income tax credit to be expanded, a make-work-pay credit. All of these credits will be refundable to those people who don't pay taxes anyway in the form of a check in the mail. 63 million Americans would pay no federal income tax whatsoever, and most of them would get a check in the mail every January."

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=196103


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/obamas-tax-plan-annual-tax-credit-check-for-tens-of-millions-of-filers-who-dont-pay-tax/3755547671/?icid=VIDURVGOV06



Okay....it took some looking but I found it....
o A $1,000 “Making Work Pay” Tax Credit. For 95 percent of workers and their families—150 million
workers overall—the “Making Work Pay” credit will provide a refundable tax cut of $500 for workers or
$1,000 for working couples. This credit will benefit over 15 million self employed workers and for 10
million low-income Americans, will completely eliminate their federal income taxes.
o A Refundable $4,000 American Opportunity Tax Credit. Barack Obama will provide a $4,000 fully refundable
tax credit to ensure that college is affordable for all American families. This credit will cover
100% of the first $4,000 of qualified tuition expenses, making community college essentially free and
covering about 2/3 of the cost of public 4-year college.iv
o A Universal 10% Mortgage Interest Tax Credit. Barack Obama will provide a 10% refundable credit to
offset mortgage interest payments and make homeownership more affordable for lower- and middle-income
families. This universal credit will provide an average tax cut of $500 to 10 million homeowners who do not itemize.

I see refundable in there a few times. And there you have the low income folks who will, with the help of this "credit," ELIMINATE their federal taxes. Who is going to take up that slack?
THERE is the bottom we were hunting.

Happy now?
Here's what I found
1. The 57 states. I think that was an honest mistake. I had not actually heard him say that, but that is not one of the main issues we were talking about. Him saying 57 states was not talked about very much and not one of the main concerns we had. Anyway...I think O just made an honest mistake, but here is the video clip.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

2. His muslim quote. The way you phrase it by wanting to see at least one minute prior and after the quote I already know you're going to come back and say that is going to be a slip of the tongue. I'll grant you that - it could have been, and then again it could have not been. If Stephanopolis had not said anything it would have been let go. Again, it could have been a slip of the tongue and people will believe one way or the other. The only people who know if he is really a muslim or christian is him and his family. But then again how many muslims sit and say "my christian faith" by accident. Do you think in Iran or Libya or any of the middle eastern countries they would ever say "my christian faith" by accident. I don't think so, just like you don't hear christians accidently slip and say my muslim faith or my jewish faith. Particularly I don't care if he's christian, muslim, jewish, hindu or athiest. When people talk about their faith, they usually say what their true faith is. Also you will see in this video that Stephanopolis was defending McCain and said that McCain was not going after Obama because of his faith. He kept repeating it over and over that McCain is not going after him because of his faith, but Obama kept ignoring and making it to look like the "poor me they're going after me", and like your original post said if its not true you can't make it up. But then again that would not have given him much sympathy from voters by admitting McCain left the religion out of the campaign.

Anyway...because you wanted to videotape here is it.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

Just let me know what other lies you imply we were saying so I can provide credible sources for you.
I usually like him, but found this very
nm
Found it. See inside.

I'm forwarding this to Alan Combs, Greta Van Sustern (sp) and Bill O'Rielly.  Thanks.


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AIKEN -- The 6-year-old Aiken girl who'd been dead for up to 14 hours before being taken to a hospital was beaten to death, authorities said Thursday.


And the woman who called Chaquise Gregory her life and her baby is being charged with homicide in the child's death.






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Special

Aiken County Department of Public Safety officers lead a handcuffed Kathy Salley away from her residence in the 500 block of Abbeville Avenue. She is charged with homicide by child abuse.

Aiken police arrested Kathy Salley, 26, at her Aiken home Thursday evening and booked her into the Aiken County Deten¤tion Center.


She'll be charged with homicide by child abuse this morning, Aiken Public Safety Sgt. David Turno said.


Police arrested Ms. Salley on an outstanding warrant for fraudulent checks to get her in jail, he said.


An autopsy found that Chaquise, who'd moved to a home in the 500 block of Abbeville Avenue in Aiken with Ms. Salley in May or early June, died from a severe beating, he said.


Authorities had already revealed that Chaquise had been dead between 10 and 14 hours when Ms. Salley took her to an Aiken hospital June 23.


"That's all we can tell you," Sgt. Turno said. "I do not believe they're going to go into the full evidence of the case, but we do know it was from a severe beating."


Aiken County Coroner Tim Carlton said he couldn't release many details about what killed Chaquise, except that the beating "caused some internal-type malfunction in the body that caused her death."


Mr. Carlton said there were no drugs found in the child's system, but "there were some older injuries that we're looking into that may or may not have been related to previous abuse."


The autopsy found no broken bones, but there was evidence of past breaks.


Mr. Carlton said the initial results indicate that the child was not sexually abused, but he would not rule it out completely.


She was not molested "that I'm aware of at this point," he said.


Capt. Maryann Burgess, who has been the investigator in the case, said she can't say how many others may have been involved in Chaquise's death or what charges they face.


"We know where they are," she said.


She said investigators also have not been able to verify that Ms. Salley had legal custody of Chaquise, which she claimed.


If convicted of homicide by child abuse, Ms. Salley faces between 20 years in prison and a life sentence.


In an interview with The Augus¤ta Chronicle on June 27 - five days after Chaquise was pronounced dead - Ms. Salley denied any wrongdoing in her death. Ms. Salley said she'd raised Chaquise since she was 3 years old.


"She was the only child I could ever have," she said, and questioned how the girl's biological family could think she was responsible.


Ms. Salley hinted that another person living with her and Chaquise - and who m she said she'd left the child with the night before - may have had something to do with the little girl's death.


"I can't point fingers when I don't know what went on in this house while I was gone," she'd said.


According to preliminary autopsy results that were released soon after her death, Chaquise had been dead between 10 and 14 hours before Ms. Salley took her to Aiken Regional Medical Centers.


Capt. Burgess said the additional autopsy results she received Wednesday led to Ms. Salley's arrest.


Ms. Salley told The Chronicle that authorities found bruises on Chaquise's arm and bottom, and cigarette burns on her shoulder and back.


Mr. Carlton said investigators are still trying to determine whether those marks were cigarette burns.


"It's just a tragic incident that was visited on a defenseless child," Mr. Carlton said. "And if the allegations are all true, then we certainly hope that the law and criminal justice system will be the defender of this child's rights."


I did some research on this and what I found is that he DID NOT
get paid for this case, it was pro bono.

"Roberts' work on the case was one of several he helped handle as part of his pro bono work at Hogan & Hartson, a prominent Washington law firm that expected its partners to volunteer their time to assist in community service.

Source - LA Times

In his answers to the Senate questionnaire, Roberts talked more generally about his volunteer work.

"My pro bono legal activities were not restricted to providing services for the disadvantaged," he wrote, explaining that he often donated his time and expertise on projects by working behind the scenes."

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:Uy77hebjJ60J:www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi%3FArtNum%3D103923+roberts+paid+pro+bono&hl=en


I found the answer.

It supposedly was a mistake, and it's been changed.  Unfortunately, the groups involved in complaining about this are much less than credible, and it's impossible for me to just take what they say at face value.  I don't believe they're above just inventing propaganda just so they can blame it all on the immoral liberals.


If it truly was a mistake, it was a stupid mistake, and I'm glad they fixed it.  It's too bad that I just don't know who I can believe and who I can trust any more.




Barbie Accused of Being Part of the Transgender Movement



By JAKE TAPPER



WASHINGTON, D.C., Jan. 3, 2006 — - The Concerned Women for America were ... well, concerned. Outraged, even. Was Barbie becoming part of the transgender movement?

On Dec. 30, CWA, a leading Christian conservative group, noted on its Web site that on the Barbie Web site, www.Barbie.com, there is a poll that asks children their age and sex.

You can see a screen grab of the poll here.

The age choices were 4 to 8 but children are given three options for their choice of gender: I am a Boy, I am a Girl and I Don't Know.

Bob Knight, director of CWA's Culture and Family Institute, said Barbie manufacturer Mattel was being influenced by the transgender movement.

To pose this transgender question at little girls, they've really crossed the line, Knight said, who added that bisexuality gender confusion is the Web site's agenda, which is very dangerous.

The concern comes after a conservative boycott of Mattel's American Girls dolls. The American Family Association and the Pro-Life Action League protested that some American Girls dolls were wearing I Can wristbands, which support Girls Inc. Girls Inc. is a national, nonprofit organization that promotes education and self-esteem programs, as well as sex education, and supports abortion rights and the acceptance of gays and lesbians. The Mattel-Girls Inc. partnership ended on Dec. 26.

But Mattel, which also manufactures Barbie, said the Barbie incident is much ado about nothing.

This was just an innocent oversight, says Lauren Bruksch, a spokeswoman for Mattel. As a rule of thumb, Bruksch said, the questionnaires at barbie.com always try to have a neutral answer or nonresponse option. For gender, this third option should have been I don't want to say, rather than I don't know. The Web site has since been fixed.

Knight had said CWA would contact Mattel to investigate the matter, but Bruksch said Mattel first heard of the complaint when ABC News called for comment.



I only found one story on this. sm

From an obscure site called Rogers Cadenhead.  The remainder of the stories, from the LA Times, etc., did not include anything about U.S. Troops protecting the Hezbollah sympathizers. 


Found it. Cute!
My 5-year-old just happened to walk into the room when I clicked on it, and of course he liked it too!  Thanks.  That's actually based on a true story right?  I had forgotten about that story until watching that.  Makes my heart ache.  Thanks for posting.
I think I found the answer. sm
1. persecution complex
One of the top fifteen factors that can transform a reasonable, amiable, friendly person with reasonable, friendly beliefs and ideas into a ranting, screaming, judgemental zealot with poisonous, nauseating, self-righteous dreck for beliefs.
Persecution complex can strike anyone, regardless of belief, creed or religion, or whether they disagree with you or not. Once you start believing that the whole world is against you, you begin to justify your abominable actions by the presumed hostility of the world. Mind you, it's a great way to not only make enemies, but also an excellent way of making people reject your beliefs and idealogy.


yep, I found this and a couple more, see above....sm
haven't had time to read through it all, though.
This is what I found on McCain
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/9cb5d2aa-f237-464e-9cdf-a5ad32771b9f.htm
I found this interesting

Actually I was looking for a physician name and this came up with their name on it.... Got to looking at it and you can put in a name, zip code, etc. and it will show you who has financially supported different candidates...... the link I'm putting here has "jones" just as a general name.


 


http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=jones&fname=&search=Search


 


You know, really....I'm sure Hillary would have found out if any of this...sm
were true. I'm sure she had hundreds of people trying to find anything like this on Obama, and if it would have stuck, she would have been like glue on it....lol....

I would have to say none of it flies.



That said, if I or anyone in this country ever found out that any person we put in the white house had lied about something like this, I would vote for immediate impeachment and jail time.

That would include McCain, not just Obama, if any of these allegations were true.


Anyone with me on this last point?
Never mind - I think I just found it - nm
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found this for you, Kaydie -
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29203
Happy. I actually found it myself just now....along with
So, it seems that McCain also has a refundable tax credit in his plan too...larger, in fact than Obama's. $2500 for individuals and $5000 for couples for health insurance. This begs my original question, which yet have to answer.

Whe Obama adjusts taxs rates within our historical progressive tax structure, it's socialism. When anybody else does it, it's not. So, I am wondering...if Obama has a smaller refundable tax credit in his plan than McCain, why is it welfare under Obama and not under McCain?
says page could not be found???
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I just found it ironic
The way she describes Obama is how the serpent is described. That's all. Relax.

Obama is not everything to assume I see evil in everything. Besides, I never said he was evil. I just haven't been lured into his candy promises just because of his "velvety" voice and great rhetoric. He's good, I'll give him that.
My point is, that many here have said nothing ever found...
I know people that were there and have said WMDs were found.  Think I would believe them before all these reports.  Those same reports got us into this war.  Hmmmm.
If I found something to laugh about...... sm

I would.  I just don't view the whole concept of abortion as funny in the least, and I find jokes about it, in any capacity, to be especially sick and demented. 


An article I found
I found this after I posted. I can't tell if the writer is for or against Bush. That's why I like the article. It states the facts, not someone's opinion showing their hatred for someone.

http://www.antiwar.com/eland/?articleid=13452
Found this on another site..........sm
Granted, it is just an opinion (of someone else) but I think this plan would work to achieve the desired results much more so than the current plan.  Granted, it does not create jobs, but if it were implemented, then the money would be there for spending and that would, in turn, create jobs in most of the  areas where they have been lost - retail sales and manufacturing.  It might also create jobs in construction as folks might be more inclined to make home improvements or even buy a new home with the money freed up. 

DEAR PRESIDENT OBAMA, VP BIDEN AND CONGRESS;
.
YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER SEE THIS, READ IT, CONSIDER IT OR USE IT, BUT HERE GOES! I AM WHITE MALE, REGISTERED INDEPENDENT, 62 YR OLD TEAMSTER RETIRED FROM A COMPANY THAT USED TO BE CALLED AIRBORNE EXPRESS. WHICH WAS BOUGHT OUT BY A GERMAN COMPANY DHL. WHICH NOW HAS CLOSED DOWN ITS DOMESTIC OPERATIONS AND CENTRAL DISTRIBUTION HUB/AIRPORT, DELIVERY STATIONS AND CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTERS. LAYING OFF 9,000 AMERICAN WORKERS ACROSS AMERICA AND DESTROYING ONE PARTICULAR AMERICAN TOWN, WILMINGTON OH!
.
TAX CUTS ARE FINE BUT EITHER THEY DONT WORK OR DONT PUT MONEY IN OUR POCKETS TO SPEND AND STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FROM THE BOTTOM UP! THE “TRICKLE DOWN THEORY” EITHER DIDNT WORK OR WASNT FAST ENOUGH!
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ALSO, THANKS TO THE LAWYERS IN CONGRESS, THE STIMULUS PACKAGE 2009 POSTED ON LINE IS NOT DETAILED ENOUGH FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN TO UNDERSTAND! PLEASE SIMPLIFY IT AND GO ON PRIME TIME TV AND EXPLAIN IT TO US LINE BY LINEEXACTLY HOW EVERYONE OF OUR DOLLARS IS TO BE SPENT, WHAT KIND OF JOBS WILL BE CREATED AND WHERE THEY WILL BE!
.
BESIDES THE ABOVE I PROPOSE THE: “TRICKLE UP THEORY”
.
1.
A. GIVE EACH LEGAL U.S. ADULT CITIZEN $1MIL TAX FREE! YES THATS A LOT (SO IS THE $50 BIL A MONTH BEING SPENT ON THE WAR FOR THE PAST 8 YEARS). BUT IT WILL DO A LOT MORE GOOD THEN THE PALTRY SUMS CONGRESS IS TALKING ABOUT! BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY DEEP FINANCIAL HOLE WEVE GOTTEN OURSELVES INTO THAT WE MUST NOW CLIMB OUT OF!
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B. EACH OF US MUST SIGN A LEGAL CONTRACT BETWEEN US AND THE GOVERNMENT AGREEING TO THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS OR FORFEIT THE MONEY ALL WITHIN A 1-2 YEAR TIMELINE!
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2. MUST BE SPENT ON;
.
A. EITHER TO RECLAIM OUR FORECLOSED PRIMARY RESIDENCES OR TO PURCHASE ONE. (NO VACATION HOMES, INVESTMENT/SPECULATION OR BUSINESS PROPERTIES!)
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B. MUST BE SPENT TO IMPROVE OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCES IE; ENERGY EFFICIENT INSULATION, WINDOWS, DOORS, ROOFS, SOLAR PANELS ETC!
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C. YOU MUST PAYOFF ALL MORTGAGES, LOAN, DEBTS, ETC!
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D. YOU MUST SETUP FULL COLLEGE FUNDS FOR YOUR CHILDREN UNDER 21 YEARS OLD. YOU MUST SETUP FULL HEALTHCARE PLANS FOR YOU, YOUR SPOUSE AND ANY CHILDREN UNDER 21 YEARS OLD!
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E. YOU MUST PURCHASE THE MOST EFFICIENT U.S. MADE APPLIANCES, CARS, TRUCKS, ETC!
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IN CLOSING WE MUST STOP THE BICKERING AND WHINING IN CONGRESS AND GET THIS DONE ON TOP OF THE PRESIDENT’S 2009 STIMULUS PACKAGE! IT MUST BE DONE NOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE FAMILIES OUT THERE SUFFERING, NO JOBS, NO FOOD, NO HEALTHCARE, NO HOUSING! THEYRE SLEEPING AND STARVING OUT IN THE WOODS AND UNDER THE BRIDGES ACROSS AMERICA!
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GIVE US THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS/CITIZENS OUR OWN MONEY BACK AND LET US INFUSE THE ECONOMY WHICH WILL CREATE THE JOBS AND INFUSE THE TAX BASES! TRUST US TO DO THE RIGHT THING LIKE WE TRUSTED YOU WHEN WE VOTED FOR YOU TO REPRESENT US!
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I WOULD HAVE SENT THIS DIRECT TO WHITEHOUSE.GOV OR STRONGMIDDLECLASS.ORG BUT THEY ONLY ALLOW 500 CHARACTERS/LETTERS NOT WORDS AND THAT IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!
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TO ALL OF MY FRIENDS OUT THERE I ASK YOU TO PLEASE READ AND CONSIDER THIS LETTER AND IF YOU AGREE PLEASE BY ALL MENAS, SIGN YOUR NAME TO IT AND FORWARD IT TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS. EMAIL IT TO ALL THE SENATORS AND CONGREEMEN/WOMEN IN CONGRESS, TO ALL THE NEWSPAPER EDITORS ACROSS AMERICA!
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IF YOU DONT AGREE THEN PLEASE COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER! BUT PLEASE BY GOD DO SOMETHING WITH THIS BEFORE THEY LET THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY AND US GO TO RUIN!

I found something about that on MSNBC also..sm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29256639

I wonder if I can get in on that action. LOL. I am one of those people who did not buy more house than they could afford and did exercise due diligence by NOT getting an ARM. Oh well....
I just found out too from my husband.
I guess there is so much news to report that Barbara Bush was not important. So sad. Hope she is fine and has a speedy recovery.
I found Pee-Wee's Playhouse!!!

I found it hillarious, too (sm)

Rachel Maddow doesn't even know what the movement is all about and doesn't care to find out. She makes a big joke out of it, all the while ridiculing and making an a$$ out of the people who are going to participate and only because Fox News will be there to cover it.


I think she needs to come down to earth.


 


 


I keep getting "Page not found" (nm)
.
Then how come so many are being found out? What was that again about moral values? nm
:
I found it rude and disrespectful. sm
But that's a liberal for ya!
I found something interesting about US healthcare.

Because I am infinitely quizzical about most things and the rising cost of healthcare was on my mind, I did a little browsing and came across this document:


http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm


Now keep in mind this is information compiled is from a think tank funded by some of the biggest corporations, including insurance corps for the betterment and furtherance of the regressive conservative ideal, so I was rather surprised to see these numbers so beautifully printed in black and white. 


It shows exactly how much we are paying for healthcare in the United States and it is rather astounding.  Far more of our GDP, about 15.5% (the highest in the world) goes to healthcare.  Almost double that other industrialized nations that have socialized healthcare. 


I think this is a pretty good argument against a free market healthcare system being the most efficient and the best, it is just the most expensive and at the rate it has been exploding, it is going to increase the number of uninsured. 


Why is it so expensive?  Because the insurance companies are pacing the market.  Some things should just NOT be included in the free market enterprise, and healthcare is one of them.  We get sicker and the insurance companies get fatter.


I found you post interesting!
Setting any views you may have aside, you admitted Hillary was at least good at handling herself!! That is the main reason why I still think she's in the race. I was shocked that she faltered at the last debate, so I'm glad she redeemed herself at least a little at this one. Other than that, I missed it so I can't comment.

Overall, I think Senator Biden says some very powerful things, but the debates are the only time I see him. If he would've been able to get out there as much as the other three, he might've done well.
and now they've found out all 3 candidates'
Reminds me a lot of LA hospital employees getting fired for snooping in Britney Spears' medical records. I don't know what exactly there is to snoop in passport records, but it's still a privacy breach.
There are plenty of misspeaks to be found
from ALL the candidates from both parties. That doesn't make it right but arguing over whose misspeak is the worse doesn't get us anywhere.

So don't bother to duck. I'm not gonna throw anything.
I found the same kind of information.
I don't know where some of these people are finding positive information about this stuff but it definitely sounds scary to me.  To me is sounds as racist as the KKK and I don't want part in either one.  Yes, that church may do a lot of things for the black community, but they still spew out hate messages.  If people are ignorant enough to believe that Obama doesn't agree with this.....nothing I say will change that ignorance.  You don't spend 20 years in a church, exposing your kids to that stuff, referring to the pastor as your mentor and then turn around and say that you don't agree with that.  If I don't agree with the pastor of a church and find his sermons disturbing....I stop going there.  The only reason Obama threw his pastor and mentor under the bus was to save his own political rear end.  End of story!
Curious about where you found this article. Why?
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That is interesting....in looking further found this...Bilderberg
and Obama....and the Virginia meeting this year.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9270
Nevermind....I found it, although it doesn't say....
anything about a measley buffet...lol. Actually, at Barb's bash, it was $28,500 for dinner and an additional $2,500 to hear her sing.

It says he raised 5.1 million (McCain). I don't see anywhere except on a blog that it was $50,000 a plate though.

That being said...you are correct. They both went to big fundraisers. Not any happier with one than the other on that score. I know it is politics as usual on both sides...don't have to like it, tho...on either side.

Thanks for posting. That is what this board is about. Getting all the information out there.
Here is some info I found on the subject.
Obama's 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama's average male employee earned $54,397.

Obama's 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.


Why this disparity? One reason may be the under-representation of women in Obama's highest-compensated ranks. Among Obama's five best-paid advisers, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.


 


McCain's 17 male staffers split $916,914, thus averaging $53,936. His 25 female employees divided $1,396,958 and averaged $55,878.

On average, according to these data, women in McCain's office make $1.04 for every dollar a man makes. In fact, all other things being equal, a typical female staffer could earn 21 cents more per dollar paid to her male counterpart - while adding $10,726 to her annual income - by leaving Obama's office and going to work for McCain.


How could this be?


One explanation could be that women compose a majority of McCain's highest-paid aides. Among his top-five best-compensated staffers, three are women. Of his 20-highest-salaried employees, 13 are women. The Republican presidential nominee relies on women - much more than men - for advice at the highest, and thus, best-paid levels.


Also, let us look at the fact that Obama could have picked a woman as his running mate and did not.  McCain, however, did pick a woman. 


I cut and pasted but the site cannot be found. May be
this is why the other posters are asking for a summary???
Film clip found again

Talk about good little Obama nazi's  The film clip was found again.  Guess the teacher who released it was fired.  This is just way too scary.


http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7588857&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


 


I just found factcheck.org. They debunk a lot...sm
of the statements being circulated by both parties.
most pedophiles are found in the nation's
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Not bitter - I just found a different path to take
All my family are christians. I believe everyone goes to the same place, we just take different roads. If you want to believe what you want that's fine. Everyone in my family is Christian. I choose another path.
Not bitter - I just found a different path to take
I posted above my mistake -

All my family are christians. I believe everyone goes to the same place, we just take different roads. If you want to believe what you want that's fine. Everyone in my family is Christian. I choose another path.