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I haven't read it all yet, but you all can decide...sm

Posted By: ms on 2008-09-19
In Reply to: A couple of quotes from Obama books to consider - DNH


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/518/

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-books.htm


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I haven't read your article.......... sm
but I will get around to it later. 

Right now, I just wanted to comment that you raised some points that I do agree with.  I do respect that OFFICE of the POTUS.  It is the highest office in the land and anyone who fills it, Obama or McCain, Dem or Pub, should have to earn the respect that goes along with the office.  There is a difference between respecting  the office and respecting the man. 

With that said, however, there are a great number of things that I admire........ Yes, I said it..... About Barack Obama.  He is very  intelligent and surrounds himself with people of the same caliber.  He is an eloquent speaker but God help his speech writers when he goes off script like he did in addressing is Civil National Security System.  He has a sophisticated aire about him that, I believe, is a large part of his mesmerizing charm on his constituents.  He has a lovely family and is apparently very proud of them, as he should be. 

So see, I'm not an Obama hater. I just don't think that he has the experience needed to fulfill the demands of the POTUS. 
Talk is not negotiate. Still haven't read ANYTHING
It has been laid out in excruciating detail on his website under foreign policy, diplomacy, policy on Iran and under other links. In a nutshell, he would stop bucking UN and NATO like Bush has done and cultivate a working partnership. Like abortion, he has a number of inspired terrorism prevention initiatives, not confined to Iran (there are other terrorists out there, remember?). His approach to Iran is to offer a fresh approach to DIALOGUE, not negotiations. His understanding of and insight into Islamic principles should come in handy in his attempts to forge at least a foundation of diplomatic exchange, whether it be direct or through third parties (they are called allies), which would include some preconditions as the talks progress. If Ahmadinejad is not receptive, he has his Plan B well thought out. That would involve engaging (here comes that pesky word again) allies in measures that would isolate Iran's leadership without punishing its population. If you read the plans, you will find much more on this. Beyond that, no more soup for you on this issue. Read the plan before you bash.
Plus, haven't you read that Obama hypnotized all of us?
According to the reports I read, he has us all hypnotized and we cannot help but vote for him that day even if we don't want to because he planted some suggestion in our minds! LOL!
For those who haven't read FOCA w/o a republican twist...

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2020:


below is an exert.  The link above is the bill.


SEC. 4. INTERFERENCE WITH REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH PROHIBITED.



    (a) STATEMENT OF POLICY- It is the policy of the United States that every woman has the fundamental right to choose to bear a child, to terminate a pregnancy prior to fetal viability, or to terminate a pregnancy after fetal viability when necessary to protect the life or health of the woman.


    (b) PROHIBITION OF INTERFERENCE- A government may not--



      (1) deny or interfere with a woman's right to choose--




        (A) to bear a child;




        (B) to terminate a pregnancy prior to viability; or




        (C) to terminate a pregnancy after viability where termination is necessary to protect the life or health of the woman; or



      (2) discriminate against the exercise of the rights set forth in paragraph (1) in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information.


    (c) CIVIL ACTION- An individual aggrieved by a violation of this section may obtain appropriate relief (including relief against a government) in a civil action.

This should help you decide

We haven't even begun to pay the piper - We can't afford it!


If you think it sounds extreme, it is.  But if you do your own research, you'll hear his own words saying he'll literally bankrupt the coal industry.  The MSM somehow "managed" to forget about this way back from January 2008!   He said our electricity bills will "skyrocket!"  This is disturbing!  Right or left, the media has no right to pull this crap.  They aren't even shy about their lovefest over this guy.  This isn't journalism.  There's a big difference between news reporters and commentators.


Our utility rates are already high enough.  Why would anyone want to pay even one dime more?  Someone please tell me their desire to do so.  Google NE coal miners, etc., and you should find more info.


Good luck to you. 


I don't decide..
God does. Come back to me when you can comprehend simple English.
I would think twice before you decide -
to proclaim you know who on this board is black and who isn't.

I'm black and I take offense that people like you will get on this board professing what race someone is or isn't.

The fact is you do not have a clue as to what the black communities would think is funny and what is not. There are some of us that would laugh and others who would take offense. Just like any white person who would laugh at certain jokes and take offense at others.

Maybe you should stop trying to pretend you are defending the people in the black community because you are doing a poor job of it and showing how much of a racist you are.

You have no idea what our communities or we are like.

Maybe you should stick to posting your propaganda and stop claiming to know what race everyone on this board is.
there is for their family to decide ... and ..
apparently they did just that. What is right for them very well may not be right for others.

I just think it's a shame people won't let this go and focus on the issues!
Well, unlike some, I don't decide what to think...
depending on what the candidate I support says. If he is fine with it, that's fine. That is up to him. I would just like to see some integrity again. She knows she has a conflict of interest, she should take care of it herself. She should have turned it down when asked. Because that would have been the right thing to do.

It has nothing to do with protecting Palin. I don't think Palin needs protecting. In fact, I wish they would quit trying to make a 30-year statesman out of her and let her be herself.

Tell me...what have all these savvy politicians who look good on camera and are so articulate (except for the every other day size 13 in the mouth)...what exactly have those statesmen done for us to this point? Only get us in the worst financial crisis since the depression. The fact that she is so UNLIKE them is one of the biggest things in her favor so far as I am concerned.

And yes, if she was first on the ticket, I would vote for HER before I would vote for Barack Obama. In a heartbeat. Immediately. Wish I lived in Ohio so I could do it TODAY.
Why should any human being have the right to decide...
whether another is allowed to live? You honestly don't find a problem with that? What will your thought be when they decide that when people are not useful to society anymore they just be euthanized? It's legal in Holland; you can have grandpa put down. Don't think it can't happen here...because when you start to devalue human life, no matter what level that is on...you start down a very slippery slope.

You keep saying the government meddle in a woman's life...what about the baby? What about that life, who can't speak for itself, can't defend itself, can't run? Picture someone chasing a toddler around a room that the toddler can't escape from, slicing pieces off until its dead? That is somehow more palatable because it hasn't been born yet?? Sorry, Amanda...to ME that is the underlying question here. The VICTIM in all this is the CHILD.
That's tough to decide.

I like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Hate snow, afraid of volcanoes, and can't take heat anymore. Hubby has been wanting to move to Canada for years. He likes snow and mountains.


I also like Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia. They're cold but I like the sea.


Maybe I can find an nice island halfway between the extremes I posted? Any suggestions? LOL


Why don't you let your kids decide for themselves
what they want to do. I'm glad I had responsible parents who taught me right from wrong, watched me grow, get married, but I also know that if I wanted to be gay they would love me still the same.

Unfortunately too many parents try to control every single aspect of their kids life, and the kids grow up as biggoted and unloving as their parents. Of course I'm not saying that is you, but you just see it too many times on TV.

Parents believe one thing, so they force their kids to believe the same thing, when all along the parents were pretty messed up.

You need to teach your kids on the different lifestyles people in America have and that's why it makes a great nation (or would you rather have the public floggings of gays like they do in the other countries because they don't share the same viewpoints as you). You need to teach your kids the different lifestyles and what it means as a lifestyle for them. Then let them make their own decisions as to what life they wish to choose for themselves.

You need to stop telling people to get a clue because you obviously don't have one.
And Prez who can't decide what he's trying to escape.
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I invite all to look at the posts, and decide...
who are the unhappy campers in this bunch. You are just a nasty little outfit, aren't you? who messed in your post toasties this morning? :)
Wow - if I couldn't decide before this has really confirmed it for me.

We watched C-span so that we could be assured nothing would be cut out.  Then we went to MSNBC to see their comments and then FOX to hear their comments.  Sure enough MSNBC was filled with a bunch of sour grapes.  What were they saying about her speech?  Nothing.  They were just upset because she called the media on what they've been reporting about her and they didn't like it.  They want to keep bashing and putting her down and have nothing said back to them.  They are so biased it makes me sick.


This is my likes & dislikes about Sarah Palin.  I like that she is not from Washington.  I like that she has been governor of the state, has passed laws, has made Alaska a better state that works for the people.  I like that she got rid of all the wasteful things (fancy jet, personal chef, chauffer).  I like that she can stand tough when she needs to.  She's knows how to get things done and she's not afraid to go up against the "big boys".  I like that she firmly believes in the 2nd ammendment of the constitution, the right to bear arms, and I like the fact that she knows how to use arms.  I like that she cares about America more than she cares about herself.  I like that her husband owns a business and she has helped him work his commercial fishing business.  So I know she is not for more taxes.  I like that she took from the big oil companies and gave the money rightfully back to the people who deserved it (the Alaskan citizens).  I like that she is a mother, has kids in school, has been to the PTA. That means she is aware of the education system and I like that she got involved to make the schools a better place for all kids.  I like the fact that she and her husband decided to have a child knowing he would have down's syndrome and I like the fact that she doesn't wear it on her sleeve and when she talked about her baby tonight she said our newest addition, a beautiful baby boy (not a beautiful Down's syndrome baby).  I like the fact that her daughter is pregnant.  To me it shows she is as real of a person and her family is the same as most all other Americans and facing the same thing all other americans are.  I like the fact that she was not born into a wealthy family, she worked hard to get where she is at.  I like the fact that for all the snips and nasty comments the democrats said against her and John McCain last week she can dish it right back (and with facts! - which by the way is all the liberal media focused on tonight (how much she picked on the other side)).  I like the fact that I know she and her husband sit down at night after their kids go to bed and they talk about real issues (his business, their kids schooling, etc etc).  I think she is a wonderful, hard working person.  Very knowlegeable about issues (has to be to be a governor).  I like the fact that she does have more experience than Obama does, which because he is running for President he should have more experience then someone running for VP.  Tonight after her speech DH & I both said we need to move to Alaska and have someone like her as our governor.


What I don't like...maybe she's a little too "religious" for me and I've heard that she wants to teach creationalism in schools.  BUT (I wanted to make sure I put that in big letters...but) I can't confirm that and I'm not sure if that is a rumor put out by the liberals, so I really can't say I don't like that about her because I don't know if it's true.  Just keep religion out of politics and I'm happy with that.


So far I can't see anything I dislike about her (which is a far cry from 3 days ago when I couldn't stand her because all I was listening to was MSNBC and CNN).  Now I'm researching and reading more about her accomplishments.


I think she's a wonderful person and will make a fine VP.  Also I do have to say I've been learning more about JM over the past couple days and I have a lot more confidence and respect for him as our next president.  I loved R. Guliani's speech and Mike Huckabee's and the Governor of Hawaii (forget her name).  They all gave fine speeches.


So that's my opion.  To the one just blabbing about how our taxes are going to be raised, blah, blah, blah.  It's all scare tactics.  When the democrats are in is always when people pay more in taxes.  Government grows, jobs go overseas, America becomes less secure, military gets cut way back  Remember NAFTA because of Democrat Billy who shipped jobs overseas and people lost good jobs and homes.  Then he turned around and created these "false" jobs where people had to take jobs paying 1/2 of what they were getting paid but because they paid them so low he could create more jobs giving a "false" impression that he created all these jobs (these people still had to go on food stamps).  Remember how your taxes were raised because of Democrat Billy who jumped my tax bracket from 21% to 37% and even then at the end of the year we had to pay an additional $2500 cos we didn't pay enough to support all of his programs.  Remember Kosovo, Somalia, etc.  Remember how Democrat Billy gutted the military which made our country less safe, hence the first attack on the world trade centers.  Remember how Democrat Billy had the chance to capture OBL but he didn't.  Remember the lies.  Remember how Democrat Hillary was trying to socialize health care.  Some people may think Bush is "one fry short of a happy meal" but at least our taxes went down, and we had job security and our military was built up and I once again had faith in the country,  Sure the country is not perfect.  Sure President Bush has made some real "dufus" decisions and mistakes, but it's nothing compared to the mess the country was in the last time the Democrats were in office.


That is why I'm voting for McCain/Palin.  I've got my fire resistant suit on. 


I agree! I can't decide who to vote for because there is so much bad on both of them (sm)
I am going to decide who I dislike more and vote for his opponent. Very sad. Terrible choices.
the voters don't decide the election- sm
Perhaps you forgot, or don't even know, that it isn't the voters who actually decide the election anyway. It is the electoral college. We could all boycott (although that would be stupid beyond belief as our voices would not be heard at all) and it would not affect the election results anyway. Get it??
People who use their minds to decide what they do
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It's not for you to decide what a woman does with her body
Mind your own business. Keep your own legs closed when the rapist approaches.
I love it...when the courts decide against liberals...
they are biased and wrong. When they decide for liberals...they are right on and good old boys. Can we just admit it...you don't care what the facts are. Conservatives are wrong and Bush is wrong...every time posting, every time opening mouth.

If Bush was a Democrat, we would not be having any of these discussions.

What a twisted value system. Twisted.
I decide for this informed American voter....
and a man's affairs or not affairs is not the reason I will vote or not vote. I don't want a socialist America, so I would not vote for Barack Obama.
The Supreme Court first has to decide whether to rule...sm
on the case. They do not hear every case presented to them. They are very likely to send it back to the lower court if they think it is frivolous.
So you can decide who's real folks and who's not? Geeshhh......

Steele wants states to decide and BIG GOVT OUT.
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Did he decide to cancel the 2012 election? (nm)
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just like sex ed, they should make kids parents decide
ever remember having to have a permission slip for sex ed or even for your kids? They should do the same thing for the gay thing. For a species to thrive it needs to have male and female parts to reproduce, so why teach something that would not benefit the species? I am not against gay people. I am just against my kids being forced to think that it is something that they might have to look into and that it might be "cool".
Reproductive rights...the freedom given to a woman to decide.
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Hindsight is 20/20. The same argument could be made of North Korea if they decide to attack...sm
after Bush's 2nd term has ended.

Clinton and Bush definitely were opposites on foreign policy, but I think he did try - probably didn't do as much as he could. What Bush is doing with the war in Iraq though, I think is irresponsible as well.
Yes - a bean-counter will decide that the cost-benefit ratio over the expected remaining life span..
...isn't worth it, and you'll be denied that hip replacement or whatever. So much less expensive to prop you up in a wheelchair and shove you in a corner. They'll poke you tomorrow morning to see if you're dead yet.

And, folks, I'm not kidding.
Blah, blah, one can certainly decide if a person is beautiful or not..nm
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This looks interesting. A long read, so will read it when I get home from work. nm
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Obviously u didnt read, I said NONE of them are moral. Read the post before spouting off.

How do you know they haven't?

That's the whole point.  Bush acts like a dictator in complete privacy.  Of course nobody can name names because this president thinks he can spy on whoever he wants without ever telling the person.


The sooner they impeach him, the safer this country will be.


No I haven't
but I'll try to remember to check it out.

At church last week our preacher had just gotten up to preach and he had just told us to turn to a Bible verse. So we all looked down to turn to the verse and when we looked up he was gone. Apparently he had stepped through the side door to go get a drink of water. Of course he came back out two minutes later, but someone made the joke that the rapture had come and he was the only one taken. It was pretty funny. Of course if it had really happened we'd have all of been with him (well hopefully, as I'm sure you know there are people in church who aren't really Christians!)
No, I haven't but
I'm seriously considering it...on a local level, of course, where I'm qualified.  If I were younger............
I haven't seen that but I have seen others
There are just some very strange people in this country who think nothing of putting themselves on youtube giving their opinions (no matter what the subject). In today's world I would never ever put my face out for all to see stating my opinion. On this board is one thing (and even then I'm always concerned about what I post and who is watching it), but sometimes it's best to keep ones feelings to oneselves, especially if it is negative. The thought police are out there and you just never know what will come back at you for the worst.
I haven't seen her lately
When the election was going on (still when Hillary was running against Obama) and even shortly after the primaries ended I really enjoyed her. I thought she was level headed and brought out some good discussions and issues, but then towards the end of the election (maybe a couple weeks before 11/4) I found her starting to become opinionated and she jumped down someones throat about something that I thought she was clearly wrong on. She just became irritating and got under my skin a bit. I also really used to like Keith Olberman, but his coverage of the election was so unfair and between Keith and Rachel I just found them opinionated and not reporting facts and stuff so I kind of lost interest. Maybe I should try watching them again. It's funny about Hannity and Colmes. I cannot stand Hannity. He's just too uppity and goody two shoes and even D Morris would tell him stop focusing on certain issues and report on the other important ones and he doesn't listen. He annoys the you know what out of me. But Colmes...this guy is a crack up. I used to not be able to stand him. Now I enjoy listening to him. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but I'll listen. I can take him a lot more than the others because he doesn't gloat about the O winning whereas the others do.

So I'll have to catch her show again and see if she's gotten better. Thanks for reminding me about her.

I'll tell you...if Bush is able to pardon himself....I think there is going to be a huge uproar. Mind as well just let the criminals decide what punishment they should get.
I haven't seen that.........sm
and don't know when it was made, but you can bet your bottom dollar that at the time it was made, that statement was probably meant to be comic relief.  The average US citizen would have laughed at such a statement prior to this presidential election. 
sorry, no they haven't......
There is tons of pork barrel in that package. Even the moderate democrats are sickened by all the crap in there and refuse to pass it. Obama must have forgotten the part where he said absolutely no pork barrel spending! Yea, right!
I haven't seen any
poll takers out asking mainstream America their opinion, only the fabricating media and perverted judges telling us how wonderful homosexuality is. The rest of America finds the act of homosexuality deplorable. ;-)
Really? You haven't?

Just to take the first point:  How about a speech he gave in 2008 which he criticized the US because most of us speak one measly language, while Europeans often speak 2 or 3?  There is actually a pretty good reason for that, by the way.  A person could drive in Europe a distance equal to the trip from Cincinnati to Chicago and pass through several countries.  Some countries even have several dialects. Many European countries are tiny.  Being multilingual in Europe is very practical.  America is huge and people a couple of thousand miles away can understand one another in a single language, from youse guys to y'all.


I don't remember ever hearing a US president or presidential candidate publicly criticize his country the way this one has (well, maybe Kerry).  And of course our foreign critics simply lap it up.  I think Michelle Obama has some foreign language skills, but I've got to wonder in what second and third languages Barack himself is fluent.  Surely he must be.....


I was unable to find the full text/location/date of the speech I am referring to, but here's a link to an article on it.  Sorry, it does seem to be an piece that is overall critical of the great man, but then the mainstream would probably not have mentioned this at all


http://www.libertylounge.net/forums/32918-obama-again-shows-how-out-touch.html


Oh, by the way, no spam file, I wrote it.  Whether or not you find it witty, it's the way I view O's public criticism of the US, as though we are a collection of bumpkins he's stuck with and trying desperately to fix up.


Hey! Haven't seen you in a while...nm
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What makes you think they haven't.
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I haven't been here that long but
long enough to see clearly how immaturely they operate.  PHEW!
Then you haven't been listening.

I have seen at least four conservatives express concerns about Bush on several occasions, and they even elucidated them. Of course, you would have to take off those blinders to see them but you aren't about to do that.  What a joke.  As far as your remarks about racisms, I consider your remarks extremely racist.  And never mind the fact that black Americans, one of whom was quoted here, are also defending Bennett.  Their voices don't count because they must be Uncle Tom's, right.  AGAIN, a racist way of thinking. 


You are so right. I haven't posted here
for this very reason. Certain posters (you know who you are) will come here to bash posts even when they are addressed to liberals. Apparently it doesn't matter to them that the moderator has repeatedly asked them not to do so and they can't seem to resist the urge to come over to this board when, in fact, they have their own. They've done it to me, they've done it to PK and others. Good luck to you...it's too bad, 'cause they ruin the discussion for everyone else and it gets to the point where it just isn't worth it.
obviously you haven't seen Sicko
good god i wish we had it like France. Not sure what Canadians you are talking to but the ones i've seen are afraid to come to the US because of our health care system, "what if" an accident occurs in the US? and just maybe we DO need a waiting period for certain things. I know plenty of people that run to the doctor for every little thing. Maybe if they give their bodies a chance to heal itself instead of expecting to get antibiotics every time we might have less cases of MRSA. it's what drives up the cost of insurance and health care in general
At least we haven't been attacked
again on our soil....if tricky Billy Clinton did HIS job while in office, Bin Laden would have been taken care of and 9/11 would have never happened.  Happy anniversary to you.  Bush is far from perfect but we have been safe at home.
haven't roosted yet

but baby there will be a big, big party in Jan when they do!


 


I would venture to say, you haven't; you just
wanted to stop searching because it was leading to too many things that didn't look good for Obama.


yeah i haven't either
a friend of mine was called, they were trying to persuade her to vote for obama. Apparently they got an earful. LOL....

PS... My family is voting for McCain too...