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I haven't seen disrespect either. He wears

Posted By: holycrap on 2008-09-23
In Reply to: show me - wowzer

the flag pin if that makes any difference to a country that is being sh-- canned!


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It's not about what she wears. It's about who paid
of the populist appeals to the no frills, no elites allowed "working folks" who they are trying to dupe into believing they give a rat's butt about. If they are so cavalier with their campaign contributions, no telling what they would be willing to do if they ever got their hands on taxpayer money.
Huh? "A hockey mom wears lipstick" is all
nm
that she is a TALL woman, if she wears high
heels she would be taller than the President.
Does it bother you that Michelle Obama wears sleeveless dresses?
It doesn't me. I didn't see the purple dress they're talking about, either. I'm not sure what all the ruckus is about.

The whole article is about the new White House informality; here's the part about Michelle.

Then came the tut-tutting from Democrats and Republicans alike over first lady Michelle Obama's sleeveless purple frock.

Hip 26-year-old designer Jason Wu, who fashioned FLOTUS' white, off-the-shoulder inaugural gown, called her "the ultimate muse." But some were murmuring that the first lady revealed not merely bare arms beneath the dome of the nation's shrine to democracy but an unseemly lack of reverence.


"It was an unusual choice," a Democratic Capitol Hill staffer confessed to a male reporter oblivious to the nuances of Capitol garb.

ABC News' Cokie Roberts, author of "Ladies of Liberty: The Women Who Shaped Our Nation," said she fielded an e-mail from a staunch feminist fan of the first lady's who nevertheless added, "but enough with the sleeveless dresses."

It does raise some hackles. I'm a little curious about it because it's cold in the House gallery," Roberts said. "I suppose that the sense of sleeveless dress being somewhat inappropriate comes from churches. ... There does seem to be some sense of decorum having to do with covering your shoulders."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960285&page=1
NEWS FLASH - Michelle wears flat shoes a lot!!
What in the world can we read into this?
Sam is getting the same disrespect
It's been a long time coming. The same thing you are feeling about Palin has been going on about Obama for months....mostly generated or perpetuated. She would run Obama supporters off the board for weeks at a time. Finally, enough is enough and they are voicing their intolerance to the intolerance. At least there are 2 sides to the story showing up. Go back through the archives around June and July and you will see what I am talking about. It's not pretty, but this is better than the board being dominated by sam preaching to the choir.
An utter disrespect...
and sad statement is made in this video.
No disrespect to McCain but... s/m

The fact that a person was an unfortunate POW does not necessarily make one presidential material, it makes them an unfortunate POW.  In reality throughout recent history most presidents with strong military backgrounds have made very poor presidents, such as Eisenhower, Churchill and the like. Their area of expertise in mainly regarding military matters with a lack and inability to graps other very important issues that face a president.


McCain's selling point is that he was a POW and that alone qualifies him for the job of president. It does not, and other than mattes military McCain has a rather weak grasp on other very vital issues.


Disrespect is nothing new on your side...
and it is not just directed at me, and to suggest so is being dishonest at best. You tolerate no opinion other than your own, want to discuss only issues that you are pro and do not tolerate discussion of any other viewpoint, and for people who call themselves Democrats that is a very undemocratic attitude. You hate an entire group of people (all Republicans...well I should say anyone who is not Democrat) for no reason other than that. Two sides? That's rich! There have never been 2 sides.

As to domination of the board....there are about 6 or 8 of you guys to 1 of mine. lol. Talk about blinders.
No disrespect...just not impressed.
Every man and woman in the military risks the possibility of becoming a prisoner of war at one time or another. The enemy does not pick only the "special" soldiers to be their prisoners. They take whomever they can get their grubby little hands on!
No disrespect taken, Kaydie.... sm
I certainly mean that. Respectful discourse is helpful in understanding other's points of view and even in formulating or strengthening our own opinions. I wouldn't want to take that away from anyone. This is one topic that you and I are just going to disagree on and it's best left at that.

Like you, I was raised in Sunday School and church as a child/youth but fell away from church in my early 20s and lived a fairly bohemian lifestyle for the next many years. I even held the "it's the woman's body" POV for a very long time. It was not until I found my way back to God that I realized that my earlier beliefs were not so much my beliefs but rather those of society around me and so I began searching for the answers that my soul needed. It was through that searching and reading my Bible that I came to understand that society's answers and God's answers are more often than not in conflict and that I would eventually have to answer to a higher authority than society for my beliefs and decisions. I realize, of course, that my decision has caused me to be "out of step" with the rest of the world, but that's okay with me because this world is just temporary and my eternity is based on things that are, well, eternal.
It is certainly not a show of disrespect,
and I hope no one takes it to mean that. As someone below points out, Mr. Washington himself preferred that and it has been carried out since. I am sure Mr. Obama is not offended by it.
Yes, you win the disrespect and crudity award
Yeah, 49 to 66. I guess you guys win when it comes to disrespect.  Are you happy now?
The right has the market cornered on disrespect ...sm
to soldier's families. Hands down they win that award.

Especially if the family has anything contrary to say about this administration. Yeah, and we are the ones who don't support the soldiers.
Your disrespect for the wisdom of elders
Might try reading up on the brilliant genius that IS Lee Iacocca. Take a look at his photo...84 and looks 20 years younger. Sharp as a tack, as demonstrated by the level of expertise and thorough analysis expressed in the piece he wrote. The smartest thing he said, in essence, was "Dude, where's my country?"

In any cas, your petty, drive-by sound byte is a mere reflection of the same bankrupt leadership he decries, prime example being the tanking McSame.

BTW, here's a few other millionaires who endorse Obama, every single one of the former pubs:
1. Warren Buffet
2. Colon Powell
3. Susan Eisenhower
4. Julie Nixon Eisenhower
5. Senator Lincoln Chafe
6. Gov Linwood Holton (VA)
7. Mayor Richard Riordan (LA CA)
8. Bill Ruckelhaus
9. Douglas Kmiec
10. (Former) Mayor Ed Koch (NY)
11. Ken Adelman
12. General Tony McPeak
13. Donald Capoccia
14. Jackson M. Andrews
15. Richard J. Schwartz
16. Todd Garrett,
17. Michael Smercornish
18. Richard B. Stewart
19. Jim Whitaker
20. Ambassador Thomas Graham Jr



How do you know they haven't?

That's the whole point.  Bush acts like a dictator in complete privacy.  Of course nobody can name names because this president thinks he can spy on whoever he wants without ever telling the person.


The sooner they impeach him, the safer this country will be.


No I haven't
but I'll try to remember to check it out.

At church last week our preacher had just gotten up to preach and he had just told us to turn to a Bible verse. So we all looked down to turn to the verse and when we looked up he was gone. Apparently he had stepped through the side door to go get a drink of water. Of course he came back out two minutes later, but someone made the joke that the rapture had come and he was the only one taken. It was pretty funny. Of course if it had really happened we'd have all of been with him (well hopefully, as I'm sure you know there are people in church who aren't really Christians!)
No, I haven't but
I'm seriously considering it...on a local level, of course, where I'm qualified.  If I were younger............
I haven't seen that but I have seen others
There are just some very strange people in this country who think nothing of putting themselves on youtube giving their opinions (no matter what the subject). In today's world I would never ever put my face out for all to see stating my opinion. On this board is one thing (and even then I'm always concerned about what I post and who is watching it), but sometimes it's best to keep ones feelings to oneselves, especially if it is negative. The thought police are out there and you just never know what will come back at you for the worst.
I haven't seen her lately
When the election was going on (still when Hillary was running against Obama) and even shortly after the primaries ended I really enjoyed her. I thought she was level headed and brought out some good discussions and issues, but then towards the end of the election (maybe a couple weeks before 11/4) I found her starting to become opinionated and she jumped down someones throat about something that I thought she was clearly wrong on. She just became irritating and got under my skin a bit. I also really used to like Keith Olberman, but his coverage of the election was so unfair and between Keith and Rachel I just found them opinionated and not reporting facts and stuff so I kind of lost interest. Maybe I should try watching them again. It's funny about Hannity and Colmes. I cannot stand Hannity. He's just too uppity and goody two shoes and even D Morris would tell him stop focusing on certain issues and report on the other important ones and he doesn't listen. He annoys the you know what out of me. But Colmes...this guy is a crack up. I used to not be able to stand him. Now I enjoy listening to him. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but I'll listen. I can take him a lot more than the others because he doesn't gloat about the O winning whereas the others do.

So I'll have to catch her show again and see if she's gotten better. Thanks for reminding me about her.

I'll tell you...if Bush is able to pardon himself....I think there is going to be a huge uproar. Mind as well just let the criminals decide what punishment they should get.
I haven't seen that.........sm
and don't know when it was made, but you can bet your bottom dollar that at the time it was made, that statement was probably meant to be comic relief.  The average US citizen would have laughed at such a statement prior to this presidential election. 
sorry, no they haven't......
There is tons of pork barrel in that package. Even the moderate democrats are sickened by all the crap in there and refuse to pass it. Obama must have forgotten the part where he said absolutely no pork barrel spending! Yea, right!
I haven't seen any
poll takers out asking mainstream America their opinion, only the fabricating media and perverted judges telling us how wonderful homosexuality is. The rest of America finds the act of homosexuality deplorable. ;-)
Really? You haven't?

Just to take the first point:  How about a speech he gave in 2008 which he criticized the US because most of us speak one measly language, while Europeans often speak 2 or 3?  There is actually a pretty good reason for that, by the way.  A person could drive in Europe a distance equal to the trip from Cincinnati to Chicago and pass through several countries.  Some countries even have several dialects. Many European countries are tiny.  Being multilingual in Europe is very practical.  America is huge and people a couple of thousand miles away can understand one another in a single language, from youse guys to y'all.


I don't remember ever hearing a US president or presidential candidate publicly criticize his country the way this one has (well, maybe Kerry).  And of course our foreign critics simply lap it up.  I think Michelle Obama has some foreign language skills, but I've got to wonder in what second and third languages Barack himself is fluent.  Surely he must be.....


I was unable to find the full text/location/date of the speech I am referring to, but here's a link to an article on it.  Sorry, it does seem to be an piece that is overall critical of the great man, but then the mainstream would probably not have mentioned this at all


http://www.libertylounge.net/forums/32918-obama-again-shows-how-out-touch.html


Oh, by the way, no spam file, I wrote it.  Whether or not you find it witty, it's the way I view O's public criticism of the US, as though we are a collection of bumpkins he's stuck with and trying desperately to fix up.


Hey! Haven't seen you in a while...nm
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What makes you think they haven't.
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I haven't been here that long but
long enough to see clearly how immaturely they operate.  PHEW!
Then you haven't been listening.

I have seen at least four conservatives express concerns about Bush on several occasions, and they even elucidated them. Of course, you would have to take off those blinders to see them but you aren't about to do that.  What a joke.  As far as your remarks about racisms, I consider your remarks extremely racist.  And never mind the fact that black Americans, one of whom was quoted here, are also defending Bennett.  Their voices don't count because they must be Uncle Tom's, right.  AGAIN, a racist way of thinking. 


You are so right. I haven't posted here
for this very reason. Certain posters (you know who you are) will come here to bash posts even when they are addressed to liberals. Apparently it doesn't matter to them that the moderator has repeatedly asked them not to do so and they can't seem to resist the urge to come over to this board when, in fact, they have their own. They've done it to me, they've done it to PK and others. Good luck to you...it's too bad, 'cause they ruin the discussion for everyone else and it gets to the point where it just isn't worth it.
obviously you haven't seen Sicko
good god i wish we had it like France. Not sure what Canadians you are talking to but the ones i've seen are afraid to come to the US because of our health care system, "what if" an accident occurs in the US? and just maybe we DO need a waiting period for certain things. I know plenty of people that run to the doctor for every little thing. Maybe if they give their bodies a chance to heal itself instead of expecting to get antibiotics every time we might have less cases of MRSA. it's what drives up the cost of insurance and health care in general
At least we haven't been attacked
again on our soil....if tricky Billy Clinton did HIS job while in office, Bin Laden would have been taken care of and 9/11 would have never happened.  Happy anniversary to you.  Bush is far from perfect but we have been safe at home.
haven't roosted yet

but baby there will be a big, big party in Jan when they do!


 


I would venture to say, you haven't; you just
wanted to stop searching because it was leading to too many things that didn't look good for Obama.


yeah i haven't either
a friend of mine was called, they were trying to persuade her to vote for obama. Apparently they got an earful. LOL....

PS... My family is voting for McCain too...
I haven't researched but

I would imagine it is $250,000 on the bottom line profit since that is what we all pay taxes on.  I agree that a business with a gross income of $250,000 is not all that much, as a rule of thumb, probably $125,000 net.  On the other hand if it is $250,000 NET that's a pretty darn good income and I say they could well afford to pay a few measly dollars so those making a net of say $25,000 could have a little relief. But the middle or lower class workers are going to get NO relief because the big businesses are going to protect their greed and the small businesses have to raise their prices to survive.  Example:  We ate at a family owned restaurant the other night.  Sirloin steak was $17.95 the last time we ate there was $21.95.  The owner posted a sign apologizing for the price increases but said he didn't have any choice if he was going to stay in business because of his wholesale prices going up.  THANKS Bush and big oil. 


Haven't you voted YET?
What are you waiting for?
I haven't heard anyone besides me say .....sm
good grief Gertie in a LONG time! hahahaha
I haven't voted yet.

I'm planning on hitting the polls a little later this morning.  Not too concerned about lines as our polling place is in a small town.


Gee Sam...wonder who you voted for.  LOL!  Go McCain/Palin!!! 


Oh believe me I haven't given up hope
I'm just not liking the way things are beginning to shape up.  Some people are so hung up on McCain/Palin they can't get over it to see what is happenening.  That will accomplish nothing.  We need to be working on things we might be able to change, such as starting a protest with our Congressmen/women letting them know even before O takes office (and despite those who think they're still going to get McCain) he will take office.  When he announces the appointment of Hillary Clinton I will kiss my "hope" in him goodbye.
There is nothing there I haven't heard
As I said, if this guy is so horrid, there has to be more than the same tired opinions about him than we have heard repeatedly for the last 2 years. As you said, thousands of people agree with these opinions, but millions of people voted for Obama. I didn't, in part because I was convinced there was something that hadn't been dug up yet. Now, I am not so sure. Everyone keeps blowing smoke, but no one has found the fire. Maybe there just isn't one.
Haven't you noticed?
The posts about your so-called disaster sat up there all day yesterday and elicited next to nothing in the way of response. Noise on Focks and related subjects, like alien spaceships, come from the parallel universe and hardly qualify as real news. The only interest you will see there will be coming from the zombies marking lock-step behind the propaganda machine.
Haven't you noticed?
The posts about your so-called disaster sat up there all day yesterday and elicited next to nothing in the way of reponsees. Noise out of Focks and related subjects, like alien spaceships, comes from the parallel universe and hardly qualifies as real news. The only interest it will generate will be from the zombies marching lock-step behind the propaganda machine.
haven't been following this discussion at all BUT
isn't that calling the kettle black? I only clicked on this message cause it was the latest posted one... and after reading it i go... um excuse me... did you EVER given the current administration a break? for ANYTHING? And i dont want to hear they did this and this and this and this. that's fine, people were against them from the beginning too. This happens on BOTH sides, why doesn't everyone agree that there are hypocrites on each side!!! that is hypocritical in itself when you ALWAYS point fingers at the other side! Differing opinions is one thing, but to say that the RIGHT cant give this government a break? Well that's because they OPPOSE what it is they stand for! just like the left opposes what the right stands for!!!!
Always do. Haven't used a cc in 3 years now.

You're not opposed Citigroup using bailout money to sponsor the inauguration?


IOW, you were for the financials getting bailout money and then letting them do whatever they wanted to do with it? Like hosting great parties, spa resorts, etc?


I have always been against the bailout and I'm still against letting the financials use the money as if it's a free handout. They don't have to pay it back. WE do.


Now, O is trying to get Congress give them MORE? No way.  Not without lots of stipulations.


Haven't forgotten that, but...(sm)

I also haven't forgotten what Clinton did to try to go after terrorists and how Bush managed to put all that work on a shelf. 


http://www.truthout.org/article/clinton-911-and-facts


Just think, while Clinton was trying to work on all this, all you guys could do was worry about where his peter was.


I haven't had that reaction when...

watching/listening to him speak.  Instead, my impression is that he's thinking on his feet and trying to choose his words very carefully.  In that regard, he's a definite improvement over his predecessor (LOL).


Having said that, I can definitely understand how he could come across to people as he comes across to you. 


The press seems to be riding his tail pretty close, and I hope they continue to do so.  (Just the other day, I saw a clip where the press secretary, Robert Gibbs, was 20 minutes late, and a member of the media scolded him, saying basically to knock it off, that nobody appreciates sitting around and waiting for Gibbs to begin a press conference.)


MSNBC (who was definitely in the "tank" for him) is beginning to challenge some of his actions/words, which I think is good.


Haven't you figured out yet that

obviously according to JTBB that black people are allowed to be racist.  It is the white fold who aren't allowed to make any sort of comment against any other religion or race or their career will be in the dumpster.  Minorities are the only ones allowed to be racist vocally. 


To me....Rev. Wright is nothing but a racist black man who is bitter with a huge chip on his shoulder.  He says what he wants when he wants and obviously there is as reason why Obama was made to get away from him....even though he really didn't want to in the beginning.


For those that haven't seen this.....reposting..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756
Haven't you figured it out yet?
Some of these folks are so caught up in the Obama "blind" love affair, they can't focus on reality!!
Don't talk to me like I haven't

lost people due to other health issues.  I don't want government telling us what we can and can't do, but deep down I cannot hate regulating cigarettes.  My dad would still be alive today if it weren't for his smoking habits.  Not only did he choose to kill himself with cigarettes but he exposed me, my mom, and sister and brother to that poison filled smoke for years.  God only knows what health issue we might have later in life.  My dad was a healthy man for years.  He worked as a salvage man for GM for 30+ years until he couldn't breathe enough to work anymore and he retired.  I literally watched my dad go from a strong healthy man to a man who couldn't walk from his chair to the bathroom without blow breathing to try and breathe.  I watched my grandfather die of emphysema as well because of his smoking.  Yes....it was their choice to smoke, but they are still my family and I lost them because of that.  You cannot help hate something to took away the people you loved so much.  I watched my dad struggle to breathe for so long and then when he was in the hospital and I could literally hear the gurgling in his lungs while he tried to breathe....I just finally asked God to stop it.  Make it stop and an hour later....He did.  Don't preach to me about other health issues because I know they exist too.  You tell me to allow you to choose to kill yourself smoking.  That is your choice and more power to you but for once....think about your kids and how they would feel watching you die like that.  My dad loved me and he was one he!! of a provider for the family but I'd give anything to have him back and I can't have him back.  My dad was killed by cigarettes....end of story.  You can't blame me for hating cigarettes.  I don't want anyone else to have to die the painful death that he did.  It was so slow and then....he was gone.  I actually tried to mimic his breathing one time and I couldn't do it.  It hurt just for that short time.  I can't even imagine living years like that until you couldn't breathe at all. 


I really don't want government to control our lives like this but deep down...I can't help but like the idea of regulating cigarettes.  I know government shouldn't but I just don't want other people to go through what I did when I lost my dad.  I can't help but feel that way. 


Details please. I haven't heard about this
It seems pretty odd that he's offering to help low-income Americans since it seems he's an America hater. Do you have an article or documented info to back this up? Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't seen anything about this. Thanks!