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I just hope he's given at least the chance to be inaugurated...

Posted By: Marmann on 2008-12-27
In Reply to: I agree....the left on this board, and beyond...sm - .......

...before some right-wing home-grown terrorist (with or without the prior knowledge of the GOP) decides to enact "what is to come."


That truly is my biggest fear.


I just don't understand the absolute refusal of some to even give Obama a chance.  These are the Americans who frighten me the most, the ones who seem to be the most angry and bitter.


I never voted for Bush, but when he was first installed in the White House, I never felt this bitter about him.  In fact, I was starting to like him a little right after 9/11.  It was HIS actions in the years to follow that absolutely disgusted me and the very first time in my life that I was afraid of my country's leader.


But I didn't flat-out hate him before he was even sworn in. 


If Obama has the opportunity to survive a Presidential term and has actually been a GOOD President, would you even recognize it, or are you so firmly implanted in your crystal ball's readings of "what's to come" that that's all you can see?


In any event, I hope you and everyone else who visits this board has a happy, healthy and prosperous 2009 that is full of love.  My health hasn't been all that great, and I need to surround myself with hope and optimism.




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next Sept. 20-21?  If you could I promise you a position in the judge's tent for the Dutch oven cook-off judging.  Each cook makes 3 D. O. dishes, bread, main dish and dessert.  There are usually around 15 teams entered.  You'd love it.
Any chance
the mother ship will come back and get them?
are you obsessed, per chance?
Are you obsessed with gt?  This post must have been from a while ago, I don't remember reading it.  To actually spend time to find it and repost it, I don't know about that.  I guess my point is, do you really think your reposting is changing anything political-wise when it comes to ideology and trying to open other's minds or understand the opposite political spectrum?  What is your purpose of reposting something from weeks ago other than to cause disruption and conflict on the board and to actually try to cause hate which, from what I have read, the liberals posting on this board have been doing a good job trying to keep harmony.  Can I make a suggestion, let it go.  
It probably has no chance of passing sm
and was just a symbolic parting shot, but some of us are grateful anyway. Rallies from coast to coast today are honoring and thanking Cynthia. Wonder what makes you think her party has disowned her.

My favorite clip of Cynthia vs Rumsfeld below:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
Snowball's chance
I don't think Ron Paul has a snowball's chance of winning, but I wouldn't vote for him anyway.
There is a good chance....since we get most of our oil from...
foreign countries. However, if you inflate your tires properly, we could be of dependence on foreign oil pretty soon. Good chance your gas came from the same place. You a supporter of terrorism? Not hardly, any more than McCain is. Geez.
No chance of that happening...but
The last time we had a democrat president most of my family, freinds, and freinds family WERE homeless. Lost their jobs, lost their homes, lived in their cars, went to the soup kitchens once a day for a meal. The last democrat president implemented NAFTA (not sure implemented is the right word - but was responsible for the start of our jobs going overseas). Continued the deficit (not a surplus like he conned everyone he did). So luckily Bush is not running again so no chance of us being homeless. McCain and Palin gives us experience, loyalty, and a fresh face and ideas for the country. Obama and Biden gives us inexperience, lies, and false hopes. I don't want to end up homeless and broke so therefore I will NOT be voting for Obama. Obama is more of the same except with different packaging.

He reminds me of that commercial by Microsoft for the Mohave experiment. Its the same ol crappy Vista system only being hidden under the disguise called the Mohave experiment. And nobody knows its Vista until they are told.
If they did that, there's a good chance the
There would just continue to be excuse after excuse after excuse.

No more excuses, I want some ANSWERS.
Please give him a chance.
The press conference was 4 days after he was elected.  As for who he picking for his staff, he said as soon as he decides who will fill these positions, he will make an annoucement.  I, too, am glad he apologized to Nancy Reagan.  I knew as soon as I heard those words, there was going to be stuff said.  Also, you can blame the press for the question about the dog -- he doesn't have control over questions like that.  We need to be patient and not be so nitpicky over such small things.  I can't even imagine the pressure he is under right now, not to mention exhausted, and he probably hasn't even had the chance to mourn his grandmother.
He had another chance to do that and he failed
When he was just in Hawaii. A very simple trip to get his bc and prove to everyone he is legal would have solved everything, but he didn't do that.

He is basically saying to the country. I know I don't meet the legal qualifications, so what. There's nothing you can do about it.
Not a snowball's chance if
you think all you have to do is sit around taking pot shots at O for 4 years and turn zero focus on the implosion of the GOP, it's leadership deficit, the long dark shadow of W's scorched earth legacy and their need for a platform transplant. Yeah. Good luck in 2016.
At least give the guy a chance.
He needs some time but I can see that if someone disagrees with anything he says, they'll be called racist. That is completely unfair.

My personal opinion of freezing his staff salary is that is a little bit of nothing. It was just a show. If he wants to impress, he needs to freeze the salaries of all Washington politicians. That would impress me!


I am giving him a chance and I
know that this isn't a quick fix.  I'm realistic enough to know Obama cannot wave a magic wand and make this all go away.  I'm just saying that for a man who hasnt' been pres for a whole week......he has made a lot of promises already with 2 already broken.  I'm not trying to get a lynching mob together.  I just want to stay informed of what my president and the government is doing because I refuse to just assume they are making the right decisions.  Holy crap people.....seriously!  Xanax....try some.
EVERYONE! This your chance to do something about outsourcing
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/video/commercials/elevator-commercial.html


What can you do?

* Call President Obama at 202-456-1111 and ask him to ensure that all new jobs created under a stimulus package go to American citizens and authorized immigrants already here. Tell the person answering the phone that the administration should suspend most work visas and green cards until it can be determined that issuing them will not harm the chances of unemployed Americans.
* Send a fax to your Senators urging them to make sure that only American citizens and authorized immigrants already here get jobs created by whatever economic stimulus package eventually is adopted.
* Fax your House Member thanking him/her for ensuring that the stimulus bill kept jobs out of the hands of illegal foreign workers but urging that in negotiations with the Senate businesses and governments should also be prohibited from using stimulus money to import more foreign workers.
* Read NumbersUSA's fact sheet Putting Americans Back to Work.
* Forward this page to as many Americans as possible to educate them about the statistics the media and government don't want them to know -- and to warn them what may happen to their jobs if they don't join you in taking action.
* Post your comments about the ad and this campaign.

Well I just had a chance to listen

to this and you kinda misrepresented what he said.  Surprise surprise.


He said he hated about 10 people out of the 3000 plus 911 victims' families who won't stop complaining, then he compared the people in New Orleans who were making it hard on everybody else there by not cooperating to those same type of people who are never satisfied no matter how much people are trying to help them.


I completely agree with everything he says on this.  I never really felt sorry for the people in New Orleans who refused to leave when they knew way ahead of time that a disaster was looming. 


Any chance, there would be a point in this post>
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Do you agree that Democrats had a chance...
to head this off in 2006 at John McCain's urging? That the situation we find ourselves in now was avoidable?
Actually Bill Clinton had the chance
To get Osama and he never did. This started long before GW ever got in the white house. You may not like GW - I can't stand him, but I'm not going to blame him for something that started in the Clinton administration.
Anyone over 40 years old has a very good chance

of having Down's syndrome child at birth.  


I worry more about Biden being President and Pelosi being VP. 


90 percent of Melanoma growths are curable.  Lung cancer is bad.  Smoking is bad. 


I'm willing to give the man a fair chance...

...the exact same way I gave George W. Bush a fair chance even though I didn't vote for him.  It was only after he was in office and I saw his contempt for the Constitution and for anyone who wasn't filthy rich that I formed my negative opinion of him.  It was his very own actions that formed that opinion, not partisan hearsay.


If this issue is legitimate, why in the world aren't Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham and/or any of the other right-wing media screaming it from the rooftops?


If this issue is legitimate, why in the world didn't Hillary Clinton or John McCain scream it from the rooftops?


The SC will meet this coming Friday, in private (five days before the EC votes) to discuss whether or not they will hear this case. 


If the SC goes against the will of the people in this nation and selects the US President again, then the mayhem that will result will make it very easy for George W. Bush to declare martial law (to control the "masses") and officially promote himself to "Dictator in Chief" for an indefinite period of time.


Perhaps that's the true goal of all of this.


If somehow, the will of the people is upheld, we need to be a country of AMERICANS that bond together.  We are living in very dangerous  and challenging economic times right now.  This isn't Obama's fault.  It's the fault of George W. Bush and the crippled America that Obama will inherit from Bush.  Something tells me, though, that you'll find a way to blame Obama for the sins of Bush, regardless of what happens.


As for me, I'm sick of reading and responding to posts regarding this nonissue.  I'm more concerned with legitimate problems facing this country, as they are extremely serious, real and potentially life threatening.


Have at it all you want.  I won't be participating any more.  I want to be a part of the America that supports its President, especially in these emergent times, not the small, bitter minority that will never give Obama a chance.  He could wind up being the best President we've ever had, but sadly, some people will never even realize it.


thanks for the website, i'll look at it when i get a chance...
we can kindly agree to disagree; i am tired of the hate and negativity here! hope you have a good day!
Thought I'd take a chance last night

and watched Olbermann because I was bored and wanted to see what all the hoopla is about over him.


Turned the channel after 5 minutes. He just spews hate. He took pot shots at everyone not conforming to his thinking and tried to twist words of his guests.


JTBB: Did you get a chance to watch it? s/m

Let me know what you think. 


I came across this because I was researching the Bilderberger Group.  I had seen a documentary earlier today on IFC and so decided to see what I could find.  Ran across a list of members and, interestingly enough, one of the American members just happens to be David Rockefeller. 


As far as the OP's comments, I was wondering why the need to be so insulting to someone not even addressing them directly  Pent-up aggression much?   


              


    


   


Good for Joe! I hope so. And I hope he sues...
the governor of the state of Ohio from now to next week. He should. They BIG time violated his civil rights. If this situation was reversed and he was a Dem who had asked McCain a question and a state had had him investigated, the ACLU would be all over this like ugly on an ape. Liberals only care about other liberals...they could care LESS what happens to conservatives. But yeah, they are all about civil liberties. Geez. Pull the other leg awhile.
Never miss a chance to slam the Dems, do you?
nm
By any chance, you catch Larry King?
To begin with, I was a pregnant teen and most definitively will be voting for Obama. The other unwed mother poster is voting for Obama too in case you hadn't noticed. Bully, fear and threat tactics are not effective.

His candidacy is alive and well and has nothing to do with this issue and how it is going to play out. Tonight, Larry King's panel were talking this subject up one side and down the other. Every single issue that was raised today in these posts on this board were touched upon....every single one. SP is in the political arena now. Unfortunately, she has put her daughter there too. The issues surrounding this will be politicized. You can't stop this train.
Have you by any chance researched Biden's temper?
just wondering.
Give peace a chance cuz we are broke now.
McCain graduated 5th from the last in a class of nearly 900 from the Naval Academy. He crashed 4 times before being shot down after being in the air for 20 hours. They accepted him for the family's legacy. He was obviously unqualified to be a Navy pilot.

And Sarah, pretty as she is (the news net works have her picture all over my screen as if she is a super model), would be a nightmare of a VP - and it has nothing to do with her stand on reproductive rights.

Did you watch 60 min?


Let's face it, he stands no chance of winning. However, with the
econmy in mind, he would definitely be the guy to fix this horrible situation we find ourselves in. My whole intention in giving my vote to Mr. Nader is this:  I am not going to give up my right to vote, I will be at the polls and I will cast my vote. That being said, I am sick and tired of being lied to and manipulated. I am tired of having my intelligence insulted over and over again by politics as usual in Washington. I will cast a vote and send a message. I know that my tiny vote and its tiny message won't be heard, but I will have satisfaction in knowing that I followed my heart and I did not vote for any Washington liar. We need a change alright and neither McCain or Obama is going to bring it.
Frustrated, are you in a swing state by chance?
I've never had a single call, Republican or Democrat, in my decidedly red state. None of those controversial mailings, either.
I appreciate the link. Always a good thing to be given chance
when it comes to watching a smear campaign implode all over itself.
When GW Bush became pres, I did give him a chance even though
amazin
You're sarcastically clueless. Any chance you could buy a clue?


If you took a second out of your I love Bush, and nobody else cloud, you would see that we do care about our soldiers, our countrymen.  But, you're so full of the Bush Kool-Aid you can't see straight. Did you even read the article???  You obviously didn't from your response.  Knowledge is a powerful thing.  It's not just liberals feeling this way about Bush and his war, the country is at a divide and more people support his impeachment than those who supported Clinton's impeachment that by the way republicans pursued on their own to defame the president in front of the world any all and any cost. So you can save your do the right thing speech.


If the McCain/Palin ticket has any chance of winning...sm
the election, they need to about face, stop the negativity, stop talking about Obama, and tell the American people how life would be better if he were elected president.  If he doesn't, he does not have a chance. John McCain needs to stop pandering to the religious right and go back to the maverick that he used to be, representing middle America.
Why didn't Clinton kill bin Laden when he had the chance?

If it weren't for uninformed voters, Obama wouldn't have a chance.
Did you happen to catch John Stossel's report on 20/20 last night?
TY! But I only post what I deeply feel, jeez, no one is even giving President O a chance, and rewri
nm
A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
I sure hope not...I hope he has extra, extra protection sm
I think regardless of which candidate wins they will need extra security this time.
have to say hope you are so right!
nm
I hope so, too.
Can only hope and pray.
sure hope this comes out.

Certainly something nice for kids to see a president do, flash the birdie. 


 



It would be my hope---

That a concerted effort would have ALWAYS been made to keep bashing down on BOTH sides by the moderator.


I noticed that the posts below one of my recent entries were all deleted.  It makes me feel bad that the time and effort put into those posts were lost.  I guess that's the chance we take on a privately-moderated forum and I should have been prepared for that.


I really really hope that you..

or anyone in your family never become disabled in any way, that no one in your family will marry or adopt a minority member, that mental illness or mental deficiency never crosses your doorstep, that someone in your family converts to another faith, that you never lose your job, your savings, your house, your car or anything else you hold dear. I hope you never lose your family and/or friends and have to go it alone. I hope you are never put into a situation where you are frightened and have not a clue what to do. I hope you never lose health or home or car insurance or are rejected for a claim you might make and have to pay yourself and find that you can't. I hope you and your family never make a mistake, especially one that is made public in any way. I do not think those of you who are always pounding the **victim** **entitlement** drum would have absolutely no idea how to deal with what great numbers of Americans deal with every day. The real arrogance is that you believe you have arrived at this superior status on your own.  Most of us were born with a leg up; a lot of us were not.  Those with the leg up got a big free jump ahead 300 spaces. We were born into the families we were, in the country we were and Creator, not us, is responsible for that. 


As far as the people in Lebanon, they flew in to the Beirut airport of their own accord. Since the airport was blown up, other measures needed to be explored. What would you have done??


Let us hope you are also the last.
This is the liberal board and you are to refrain from personal attacks.  I am sure you will now make endless excuses about the nasty comments made regarding Raven/Lurker's ideology (as well as anyone else foolish enough to post on a LIBERAL board daring to espouse a LIBERAL philosophy), and the Liberal board will once again because a far right-wing poster child for short-sighted philosophy of war and dumbfoundingly ignorant accusations against all Democrats/liberals/or-anyone-with-half-a-brain-who-has-a-conscience.  I await this result, ad nauseum.
I hope you are right - I truly am.
You are correct. I cannot stand either of them. It literally makes me ill to watch them. Don't ask me why because I just can't put my finger on it, but when she or Bill is speaking I find my stomach gets nauseous - and I voted for him the first time he ran. I was for him for about his first 2 years in office, then I started learning more and more about he and Hillary and what their plans were. Guess I was blinded by the lies and when it all started coming out I realized the person he was as president and the person who ran for president were two different people. I think its just basically because they are such manipulating liars and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone believes anything they say. I have not yet found anything they say to be credible. You know when everyone talks about Richard Nixon they'll say what a bad person he was he was impeached and once he left office nobody paid attention to him. If they mentioned his name all I kept hearing was "impeached, impeached", but when you hear Bill's followers will never say "he was impeached". You know I really didn't have a hard time with them at all until after I started reading about their history and all the illegal things they've done throughout their careers to get where they are (and they got away with it). I told my DH, so-n-so went to jail for that, what is keeping these two out, especially when there is proof of what they've done. They'll come out and say such-n-such a person does this or that (eluding to something imoral), when in fact they have done the same exact thing. But then again all politicians do it. It also made me nauseous when we tried explaining to my MIL things he was doing (illegal things) and her only come back was "but he's so cute". That's all she had for an answer to everything. "Hey mom, do you realize he lied to America? and do you realize this was illegal?" - "Yes, but he's so good looking and it was only a little lie". Ignorance like that is just what really irritates me to the core.

I know I have to calm down. I was real calm when I turned off the TV and stopped seeing those two faces, but then I go and turn on the news and they are still in it - so off the TV will go again.

I do understand they are an influential part of politics - why for the life of me I don't know. He's an impeached ex president. Nothing more. He didn't do anything to improve the lives of Americans - he put us deeper in debt. Taxes were the highest when he was in office than anyone can remember. Okay, in all fairness I do give Hillary credit for being the first female to get as far as she has running for present, but that's about all the credit I give her. If her values are to teach young girls that they can lie, cheat and steal to get whatever they want, along with crying when you don't get your own way, telling people you are staying in because an assassination could happen in June and you need to be there to pick up the pieces? (Those were her words no matter what way anyone wants to spin it). Oh my!!! Well that's not a characteristic I would ever want any of my children to daughters to have. Not only through her campaign, but also things she has done and said in her political career and as first lady also factor into why I think she is just a horrible person. At the convention I do see her as an important person (maybe in my last post I didn't think so, but I do think it is important for her to be there), but the impeached ex-president should not. He disgraced the office and the trust that millions (well I don't know if it was millions but it was a lot) had in him. He used his position as president to keep having his affairs, and other stuff he did. I can't even imagine what Monica was thinking when the guy that she was in love with and was sleeping with (even though he was married) when he was asked why he had an affair he said "because I could". Not because I love her, or even because I care about her. No "because I could". The respect he shows towards women is Zero. Everyone will talk about John Edwards, how awful he had an affair. Or John McCain, how awful what he called his wife and what he did to his wife, but people are excusing what Bill Clinton did. Why? Oh I forgot "because he's so good looking". He may do a lot for races (people of color), but I think its all a sham. I don't know about Fox news cos I don't listen to them (got tired of one viewpoint all the time), but just listen to the comments he makes "Barack's only winning because he's black". "Barack won such-n-such an area because that's where Jesse Jackson won", etc, etc. The comments go on and on. His statements he makes in public to me show me that he is a racist and that's why I said he can hide behind his walls but he will always be a racist in my opinion. And giving people of color jobs that didn't even pay enough that they could support themselves and still had to get food stamps, while taking away good paying jobs from other people to ship them over seas (NAFTA), well that also lessened my respect for him and what he was doing to America and American's. He never cared about me or other people in America and the people who were getting the big tax breaks were the 1% of the wealthiest (those same people they claim Bush gives the tax breaks to). My family, my friends, and my families friends were all losing their jobs and houses while he was president. So I guess that's another reason why I can't stand him.

I do think that Hillary might be able to help bring the party together but I really don't believe Bill would. People like to see him speak - sure he is a mesmerizing person (although when I see him the hair on the back of my neck stands up and there is just something creepy and evil about him). I really do not think we should be having someone who disgraced the office of president and was impeached speak at the convention. Go if he wants to of course, but he should not be allowed to speak. Did the republicans have Richard Nixon speak? No because he was impeached and disgraced the office.

I just think those two are the sleeziest couple in politics. Although I do have to say there are a bunch more who are equally as sleezy, but they do stand out at the top.

So those are my lowly opinions. I'm sorry I feel that way, I wish I felt better about them but I just don't.
I truly hope that I never have to

depend on someone else's hard earned money to support myself and my family.  Even if I had to, I would work hard to get back on my own two feet as soon as I could.  I truly do hope things get better because things are truly scary right now.  My husband runs a car dealership and he makes the money in our family.  However, car sales are down so low right now that I don't even want to think about the money he will be losing come bonus check time. 


I just feel like these government programs keep the little guy down.  I thought the whole idea was assist people so they can better their situation and then become self-supporting.  Instead...we have more and more people living off of the government with no plan or intent of trying to better their situation.  They just want that monthly check. 


I just think that taking more money from the hard workers and giving it away doesn't show much incentive to work hard in life.  Why bother.  The more you make, the more they take while people who don't work at all live off of your hard-earned money that is taken away from you. 


Stop enabling people to mooch off of the government.  The numbers will only rise and get worse. 


I hope so
I hope the crap hits the fan and he never steps foot in office.....
did he really do that, oh I hope so...
too bad there could not be an obama/mccain ticket, but not that mccain from the past few months...
I should hope that SP
would remain only an embarrassment to Alaskans rather than becoming embarrassment to the United States of American as I am sure she would/will.
I hope you don't think s/m

that they're just going to accept the SC's decision?  My money will go to bet that now they will start with the "supreme court didn't hear the case; therefore, they did not rule" so the madness will just continue.  Or maybe they'll bring out that old ancient hippy.....who knows but I'll bet these most likely PAID political nut jobs aren't just going to roll over and play dead.


Hope you're feeling better Marmann.