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It's actually more distracting to refuse to do someting that is a traditional symbol of our count

Posted By: To all Obama supporters on 2008-09-23
In Reply to: watch Faux news they are all - andromedica

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I lose count everytime I try to count the conservative posts on this page alone.nm
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Never said he had to do the traditional fold -
but to me, it appeared that he was very disrespectful himself in the way he was treating the flag.
I think it's a symbol of what our nation has become
Greed...from the top to the bottom.  You couldn't pay me enough to get me to go out on Black Friday. 
history of peace symbol

http://www.nonukesnorth.net/peacesymbol.shtml 


Someone asked me awhile back about the peace symbol and where it came from. In the event that you do not know this story, it is quite interesting especially in light of the **nuclear** problems we are having 49 years after the symbol's creation. Altho there are those who swear it is the reincarnation of some ancient rune of an evil, Anton LeBay, devil-worsipping, anti-Christ **secret** society, they are referring to the V (for victory sign) that Churchill and Nixon and others have used over the years. The V being evil has something to do with Masons and **secrets** the rest of us are not privy to. Anyway, when Gerald Holtom designed the peace sign as we know it some far-far-far right and fundamental religious groups spread the notion that the symbol was an outgrowth of the **V** and a Satanic Communist symbol.


The real story, especially the semaphores, which I did not know much about before researching this a few years ago, is pretty cool.


Billy Bob is a symbol of a hick......
Not a white person. I am sure all racists are well represented by hicks....and since we are all anonymous here, lets just say we are colorless and our words most definitely speak for themselves.
What if their coach refused to wear anything with their symbol on it? nm
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I refuse to discuss

religion with Moonies or Scientologists.  There is just no common ground.  The same way as I refuse to discuss politics with people who actually consider Fox a news station.  They are indoctrinated and innoculated from the truth by daily coordinated talking points to distort any event (such as saying Charlie Gibson looking down his nose at SP or was too rough on her) to favor their desire to keep the corrupt repubs in power. It's a waste of my time.


 


 


I'm sorry you refuse to see their teachings as
I can give you confession after confession of Muslims who have denounced those teachings once they were free from that country. They admit they are teachings of hate; even though they believed some of them were similar to Christian teachings, they couldn't understand why they were taught to hate by their teachings. I can give you many who say this....but of course I suupose you will say they don't know what they're talking about either.
Pay close attention to a paragraph under the head of Christianity and Islam, where he quotes a verse from Sura 5:51......and what he has to say after that.

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/abdul.html
But they refuse to understand.........
He has yet to prove citizenship.... and for those that say he IS a citizen, even if he were born in Hawaii, his stepfather (who is Muslim) adopted him in Indonesia. Once he was adopted by his stepfather, his stepfather renounced Obama's U.S. citizenship. The United States does NOT recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia....never has in the past either. Indonesia does NOT recognize dual citizenship, so Obama cannot have dual citizenship. The only way to reclaim his U.S. citizenship is to go through the Immigration Dept just like anyone else, fill out the necessary paperwork, and wait for his hearing. He has no paperwork to prove that either. He knows he does not. If he did, all he would have to do is show his immigration papers but he can't because he doesn't have them.

You can only have dual citizenship with a country that allows that. Obama's stepfather renounced Obama's U.S. citizenship and claimed him Muslim, as was his father. His stepsister even says he is Muslim through and through....

Now, that being said, supposedly Indonesia had tried to begin a new dual nationality law as of ག or so, but Obama hasn't filled out any paperwork for that as an Indonesian either. As of གྷ the new law in Indonesia had not even been implemented. There is a lot of red tape and still many who object to dual nationality allowances.

Our law says in order to be a "natural born citizen"..

The U.S. Law in effect during Obama's birth stated if you are born abroad to one U.S. parent and a foreign national, the U.S. parent must have resided in the United States for ten (10) years, five (5) of which were after the age of Fourteen (14) in order to register the child's birth abroad in the United States as a "natural born" U.S. citizen.

Either way.....he AIN'T a citizen of this country....
I refuse to waste my

time reading biased, inaccurate opinions. Got a prob with that? Yours only.


 


I did....you refuse to accept it.
Go tweak someone else for a while.
No, I refuse to try and debate you anymore
because you can't be anything but condescending and ugly. 
Those who refuse to learn from history..... sm
are doomed to repeat it.  The following is a link written by an elderly woman who grew up in Nazi Germany.  See how many dots you can connect. 

http://carylmatrisciana.com:80/x2/content/view/74/1/
I refuse to conform and I just don't fit in," .......so he was fired!!

 'TOO PATRIOTIC'??  That's reason for dismissal from a job?  What the h@ll is this country coming to?   


 


http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.aspx?id=576612


 


 


I was trying to illustrate that you REFUSE to see what's in front of your face, that you must twi

it and turn it and manipulate it until it becomes something completely different and ugly, and you adopt THAT as the truth, when it isn't even close to what the real truth is.


Three fingers are three fingers.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.  No hidden meaning.  Just three fingers that the rest of the sane, intelligent, reasonable WORLD sees and recognizes as THREE FINGERS, as I said in my post.


A simple "I refuse to hear the truth" would do.
What Conyers is doing is playing by the rules. This is a HJC hearing, not a congressional hearing. There have been a number of ridiculous restrictions on what they can or cannot say imposed on this process. For example, they are not allowed to utter the word "impeachment" and Bush's name in the same sentence. Absurd. In spite of all the obstacles, he opened the hearings and has vowed to see it through and to bring the truth into the public discourse once the investigation is concluded. He is quite aware of the fact that he is putting his reputation as a senior member of Congress on the line, so it would make sense that what goes on there is compelling. He is doing nothing to distract or circle around THE ISSUES. He is moving the process along. He is chairing the committee. All the details of the restrictions, who put them there and why, Conyer's position, etctera, can be found in the numerous links that have been provided and is well summarized in DK's interview.

The difference between him and you? Are you serious? He is familiar with every single player, position, stance, viewpoint, piece of evidence and rebuttal. He is a fact checker. He is not considering this evidence on the basis of hearsay. He is evaluating the integrity of the proof as it is presented. You, on the other hand, say you know all you need to know because you have "heard it from other democrats." In other words, you are not willing to even listen to the prosecution case or its evidence as it is presented directly from the source. Instead you talk all around what is really taking place inside those chambers. You are still doing it, trying to twist this into something it most definitely is not. Here's the deal. When you can't win on the issues, out comes the smear and smut.

No one said anything about your having made anything up about Niger. No matter how hard you try, you cannot make this about that one single subject. There are literally scores of talking points and hundreds of pieces of evidence to sift through. You are not the least bit interested in any evidence. If you were, you would watch the interview and post you rebuttals. You're not doing that. You are obsfuscating. It's what you do. What possible difference could it make in terms of valid claims and conclusive evidence whether this process occurs in formal or informal impeachment hearings? Truth is truth. Proof is proof.

You are not interested in hearing from all the witnesses or seeing all the proof. Exactly the opposite. You want to see no witnesses and no proof, unless of course it backs your own contentions. Stop trying to imply that the process is rigged. In the post 9/11 politics of fear world, the republicans would classify the White House address, if they could get away with it. Preponderance of the evidence usually is all that is required to achieve majority vote. If that evidence is incomplete, you have the republicans to thank for that. Do you really think that all that info held in secret is vital to national security? The only thing it is vital to is covering the neoCONS behinds.

You doest protest too much. More obstacles. Be honest. This is not about you want this and you want that. It's what you DON'T want that is plain to see. You don't want to face the reality that they just might be onto something. Another pot shot at Clinton. You really think that lying about an affair is a more serious impeachable offense than misleading an entire nation on the reasons for going to war? One thing is for sure here. As long as you continue to refuse to view the process as it is happening, instead of what you speculate about what may or may not be going on, you really do not have any way to justify anything you are saying about it. You say you have heard what DK has said. Okay. Did you watch the interview? What was in it? You must have skipped over the stuff about the live blogging from inside the chambers. The information is available for those who are interested. Go to the links. It's all in there….including information on how to follow it on a day-to-day basis.

Since the rest of this post has disintegrated into non-stop personal attack, I will not waste my time with it. Clearly, you will not engage yourself in any direct, honest, informed dialogue on this subject. This is still about your comfort zone. This just goes to show how extremely intolerant you are whenever anybody tries to challenge your ideas and how terrified you really are with what might be coming out of those chambers.

Just ignore them, ms, obviously they refuse to read the whole thing....nm
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And yet you STILL refuse to condemn child sexual abuse!

When this was first posted, it was posted before there were separate political boards.  Still, there was no response.


You people have done nothing by drive-by sniping posts for the last couple weeks, to the point where some of them had to be removed by the moderator.


Yet you're AFRAID to post outrage over child sexual abuse? 


I guess we can leave it at that.  You're obviously more outraged that I posted regarding this subject than you are at the subject itself.


And THAT speaks volumes.


Yeah, guess Obama supports refuse to look at all
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Yeah, agreed. Obama supporters refuse to see his
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Facts are always called opinions by the left when they refuse to acknowledge them...sm
The facts within the article are true. No matter how much you want to ignore them.


You are so blind.
I refuse to forget history...can't afford to be "condemned to repeat it"

He created this cluster with his cronies and they should be held accountable.


Soldiers and peace officers pledging to refuse to obey sm
An invitation to soldiers and peace officers across the United States to pledge to refuse illegal orders – including "state of emergency" orders that could include disarming or detaining American citizens – has struck a chord, collecting more than 100,000 website visitors in a little over a week and hundreds of e-mails daily.

Link to article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91530

Oath Keepers website: http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/2009/03/oath-keepers-declaration-of-orders-we.html
Count me IN!

I lived in River Oaks, (yes, it's possible), then west Houston for many years before moving to Sugar Land.  Married to HPD, so I do have a concern about Sharpstown.  He won't let his mother go there for Catholic Charities shopping, and quit working in that area long before we met. 


I, too, remember when Sharpstown was "the place to move."  A Radiologist friend of mine had a condo there and it went down the tubes literally overnight.  It's a shame that it happened over there. 


If you feel safe over there, God bless ya.  If you didn't, I imagine you'd move. 


But anyone stupid enough to think that someone in a little, bitty town can't get their head blown off by a nutjob is truly in need of an eye exam or something.


I feel safe in Sugar Land, but we have crime here, too.  But there are enough sharpshooters on our extremely quiet subdivision to really help matters.  Another plus is the master-planned community thing, which hopefully is catching on.  But people rob houses, drive drunk, and all that stuff even in River Oaks.


I love living here, and was so proud of our city when Katrina & Rita hit.  Greta certainly fell in love with our city, too while reporting from here.  While crime is everywhere, Houston has always been a very friendly, welcoming city.


...don't count?
????
Count me in!
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Count me there with you, Sam. s/m

An excellent post, I think you have set an example for your McCain supporters  here.  You can be sure that I will be right there with you holding Obama's (and the Congress's) feet to the fire


I'm going to back on out of here too.  I think we all have our work cut out for us holding the politician's ....all of them....feet to the fire and there is nothing to be gained by keephing hashing over the old stuff.  I think everyone "gets" it.


Let me count the ways...

1. Behaving as if he had a mandate from day 1.


2. Iraq, Iraq, Iraq and Iraq (this includes everything from the phony  buildup to the quicksand of today).


3. Leaving Afghanistan to go to Iraq.


4. Tax cuts for the billionaires.


5. Restoring integrity to the WH??? Libby, Rove, Cunningham, Goss, DeLay, Cheney, Wilkes, Allen, Watergate redux (we are not only replaying Viet Nam, we are replaying freaking Watergate).


6. Staffing his cabinet with old fogies from his Dad and even Ford's time who see the world quite differently from what it has become in reality.  


7. Gross incompetence in domestic and foreign affairs.


8. Making the United States a laughingstock.


9. Turning us into a third world country with outsourcing, offshoring, hiring illegal immigrants, importing much more than we are exporting, the glorification of cheap Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart and on and on....


10. Medicare fiasco.


11. Education fiasco.


12. The reuniting of church and state.


13. Job losses.


14. Healthcare fiasco.


Count me out of the collective *we*. sm
I am not living in crap. 
Don't count Obama out yet... s/m

 



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Obama, Huckabee on top in Iowa poll


By Scott Helman, Political Reporter December 2, 07 11:47 AM


There are polls, and then there are polls. Here's one that matters.


A new Des Moines Register survey of likely Democratic caucus-goers gives Barack Obama a narrow edge over rival Hillary Clinton, with John Edwards holding steady just below them. Obama is at 28 percent, compared with Clinton at 25 percent and Edwards at 23 percent. Obama's lead over Clinton is within the margin of error.


On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee, who has skyrocketed in recent Iowa polls, has overtaken Mitt Romney and now leads 29 percent to 24 percent. Rudy Giuliani is in third at 13 percent. Both parties' races in Iowa, which holds caucuses in a month, remain fluid, the poll suggests. And in Iowa time, a month is an eternity. Still, both current front-runners can find good omens in the results.


Obama leads Clinton among women 31 percent to 26 percent, the Register reports, a stark change from October, when 34 percent of women caucus-goers said they would vote for Clinton, and 21 percent preferred Obama. Women account for about 60 percent of likely caucus-goers, the poll indicates.


Huckabee leads Romney, 38 to 22 percent, among those who call themselves born-again Christians, who make up half of likely caucus-goers. Romney drew more support than Huckabee from that group in October.


Don't count your chickens...
I wouldn't be so sure about an Obama victory just yet. I seem to recall that not just four months ago, everyone thought the nominee was going to be Hillary and you see how that one turned out!
Look...Obama has 300...count them...
300 foreign policy advisors. If he had gone on a network that was not in the democratic pocket and had given an interview when he was 2 weeks into the process, he would not have done any better. He chose Joe Biden because of his LACK of foreign policy experience. You really think we didn't notice that?
If McCain (God forbid) keeled over in week 2 of his presidency and she became president, she would surround herself with foreign policy experts just like Obama would...and we get him day 1. He is no better prepared to handle a national emergency right now than she would be. That is fact, no matter how you dress it up.

She has never said she did not keep the money. What she says on the campaign trail is that she killed the bridge to nowhere. And she did.

I don't know anything about what you are saying about O'Reilly, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Obama was the consummate politician, hedged energy questions, hedged socialism questions, but one good thing came out of it...he did admit the surge had succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams, and that is SURE not what HE has been saying on the campaign trail. You can't have it both ways.

Obama has proven himself to be thoughtful, knowledgable, and decent. That could describe a lot of people in this country. Does not mean they are ready to be President. You can't have it both ways.

Of course she was heavily coached. She is trying to get up to speed in 2 weeks; your guy has had 18 months. lol. And for 2 weeks, I would say she is doing a spectacular job...and without 300 advisors.


Does an old Hippie count?
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Don't count your chickens...

...until they're hatched.


The timing of this whole Israeli mess is very interesting.  Don't count out martial law just yet, in case there's a "terror attack" on the USA or some other scheme going on in Washington. 


You mean 14 days....you still can't count

At least we can count. Obama cant.
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Recount!!....I count 28 so far.
Barrasso (4 earmarks, $2.7 million)
Bayh (4 earmarks, $1.2 million)
Bennett (23 earmarks, $18 million)
Brownback (21 earmaks, $12 million)
Bunning (5 earmarks, $735,000)
Burr (3 earmarks, $1.3 million)
Chambliss (7 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Collins (1 earmark, $380,000)
Corker (1 earmark, $760,000)
Cornyn (5 earmarks, $2.5 million)
Crapo (1 earmark, $100,000)
Enzi (5 earmarks, $1.7 million)
Graham (14 earmarks, $9.5 million)
Grassley (8 earmarks, $350,000)
Gregg (19 earmarks, $10 million)
Hatch (7 earmarks, $700,000)
Hutchison (35 earmarks, $9.9 million)
Inhofe (34 earmarks, $53 million)
Isakson (2 earmarks, $1.4 million)
Kyl (3 earmarks, $5 million)
Lugar (10 earmarks, $3.3 million)
Martinez (8 earmarks, $18.8 million)
McConnell (36 earmarks, $51 million)
Roberts (11 earmarks, $2.2 million)
Sessions (12 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Thune (6 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Vitter (16 earmarks, $4 million)
Voinovich (6 earmarks, $13.5 million)
Let me count the ways

1.  Really poor choice of Republican presidential candidate (republican lite).


2.  George Soros's backing.


3.  Mainstream media gave him a complete pass as far as any close scrutiny.  Still are, although the honeymoon may be ending.


4.  He's gonna fill my gas tank and pay my mortgage.


5.  Political correctness.


6.  The teleprompter.


7.  Etc.


 


 


Count me as one who WOULD like to see them succeed (sm)
which, of course, would require that the bullies of this world (with the U.S. as #1) stop making it economically impossible with their embargoes, etc.
Yeah. Let's count them: First, we have the one who wrote for everyone to see

"I spent 19 years in the military."


It's not until someone thanked her for her service and asked what branch she was in that we found out that she was in a military FAMILY.  Was that a lie?  OF COURSE NOT AND DON'T ANYONE DARE SAY SHE LIED.


Another poster (maybe the same as the above) really displayed the extent of her intelligence when she responded to a poster by referring to their "vaucity." When asked what that meant, she responded by saying look it up.  When a poster responded that she tried BUT IT ISN'T IN THE DICTIONARY, she replied that it's a "combination of 2 words" that can be found on blogs all over the net.  (When asked WHICH 2 words, she couldn/didn't respond.)


Turns out, it was a typo and was supposed to read "vacuity."  The irony was that she was trying to tell the original poster that they were stupid, but who REALLY looked stupid during all this????  Can she say it's a typo?  NO.  And as far as a "blog" term that doesn't exist, SHE DID NOT LIE, SO DON'T CALL HER A LIAR.


Best part is if a little HONESTY could be employed by these people, there wouldn't be an argument.  It's absolutely honorable to be a member of a military family, and they, too make sacrifices and should be thanked for that.  But it is NOT the same as saying "I spent 19 years in the military."  I know people who actually DID spend 20 years in the military and retired at a very young age. Still, it is very honorable to be a member of a military family.  At least in my eyes it is.  Guess it wasn't in hers or she would have been honest about her role.


Also, instead of saying "I made a typo, and I meant to write vaucity," again, the invention of "facts" about a combination of two nonexitent words.


Another member of their gang... well, just go visit the Conservative board for yourself and read the entire thread about the activist judges/groups who are responsible for not letting the poster place a nativity scene in her own yard.  She was questioned by someone, and it's not until the fourth post that she begins by saying, "I'll be up front with you."  HOW NICE.  It's quite comical.  If you haven't read it, you should.  Turns out it had nothing to do with "activist judges/groups" at all.  BUT SHE DID NOT LIE!!!!!


When I come to these boards, I start out with the belief that everyone has credibility.  It's only after they prove to me THEMSELVES that they don't, by their very OWN ACTIONS AND WORDS that they can't be believed, that I begin to form negative opinions.


What you wrote is a perfect example of someone whose credibility is definitely ... uh.... challenged. (trying to be kind)


And yes, LOL, I'd bet a psychiatrist could make a mint from some of these people.


And riled?  Yeah, used to a little bit, but now I just find them more comical than anything.  But I'll grow out of it like I did with the OTHER Curly, Larry and Moe.


Did you count the unnamed trolls?
Since you're into counting....that makes up the majority of the trolling that goes on on the conservative board.
That doesn't count, Democrat.

It never counts when they do it.


And the Conservative hypocrisy of the day:


They themselves posted this about Liberals: *If they dont' say it here, under a pseudonym, they say it THERE and then gather like little old ladies to chew the fat.*


Just take a look at the posts Nan... or should I say Brunson.. has posted over there today at the top of the board.


Alright then...count all the glaciers why don't cha...nm
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OK. so education doesn't count and
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Life experience can count as much or more.
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Don't count your chickens before they are hatched
Truth of the matter is we don't know who will win. The polls mean didly. I've said it before and I'll say it again - They don't mean anything. Even Rasmussen was interviewed and he said you cannot tell by polls who is ahead and a lot of it has to do with the media and their love affair with Obama and how they are manipulating what they are feeding you. The real poll will be on 11/4 after the election is held or the next day.

Oh, and your comments can go both ways -

What's going to happen to the rabid democrats when McCain wins?

Will their anger fade away or are we going to see riots in the streets because a black man didn't win with Farrakan leading the way?

Will they accept a McCain presidency, or are they going to remaind divided like they always have while pointing the finger that the other side won't work with them.

What's going to happen when they find out that their "lord" Obama was actually born in Kenya and there is a birth certificate to prove it, which makes him disqualified to run as president. Will his good friend (the leader of Kenya) be able to keep this silenced for long. He already threw one person in jail for getting too close - will he be able to jail everyone who wants to know the truth.

Will Franks, Dodd & others who benefitted from FMFM and threw the economy into a near depression be men and own up to their mistakes or will they sit on their hands and continue to blame the republicans.

I don't have to ask if they will undermine the progress to make themselves look better. They have already been doing that and they will continue on.

Domestic terrorists you ask? We don't have to look any further than Obama's close friends William Ayers, his good freinds in Pakistan whom he spent time over there with, and his friends from the Muslim schools he attended while growing up as a Muslim.

If I had known back then what I know now about Obama, I would have voted for Hillary. At least we know about her. It's what Obama is hiding about himself that HAS to make you wonder.

The questions still remains...
Why do so many people not care if we have a president who has ties/friends to known terrorists?
Why do so many people not care that their taxes will go up and they'll be left with less money to live on.
Why do so many people just blatantly ignore the facts about Obama, which is NOT, I repeat NOT a good direction for our country to go.
Why do so many people not care if they elect this guy our country will be turned to a socialist country. Are there really that many of you that don't have a lot so you believe that the people who have worked so hard all of their lives should just give you part of what they have worked for?
Why do so many people not care what happens to our country?
Why do so many people not care that our country will not be safe anymore?
Why do so many people not even care about 9/11 and everything we have done to keep our country safe since then. Lets just throw it all away and vote in this radical muslim. Why? Because it's PC?
Why do so many people believe him when he says he won't raise your taxes, when in fact his voting records shows that he voted to raise taxes over 50 times in the past, but now that he's running for President and telling you that he won't raise your taxes you believe him? Why?

There are too many why's and such an unsettling feeling. Sure McCain may not be my first choice, but between the two he is the better choice.

The election isn't over, and its with views like yours that I hope martial law is implimented and McCain is placed in the position. If that happens it will serve you right!
I agree and count only your #1....the rest...sm
....to me, are the many ways that Obama has tried to paint himself, many only just recently as he has run for office of the pres....don't trust a single word out of his mouth.

He will screw us all over, just to get elected. Just watch.


That's awful!!! If ANYONE's votes should count is is theirs!!! sm

The government should have made absolutely sure our soldiers' votes were here on time and if not, dammit, we should postpone the election until they do.  They are leaving their families and risking their lives to protect this country and they don't even get a vote on who runs it?? That has me fuming mad!!!!!!!


Yeah, they'll only count the ones for O
plus a couple for McCain to appear as though they are fair.

Another reason that IF O wins it will be a stolen election.
It absolutely should not count -- if she's gonna

she should at least have to live through the havoc he's gonna create like the rest of us. 


I'd say the same about anyone who dies after they cast their vote but before the election.  It shouldn't count.  Where's the accountability?


you may be correct but why would it not count as any other vote?
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