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It's why you guys lost the election, and so

Posted By: many seats in senate & congress. on 2008-11-06
In Reply to: Doom and gloom predictions? You facts so far.nm - Scary

The party of "No You Can't" should take some etiquette lessons, invest in some Prozac, and maybe, just MAYBE, they'll do better next time around.


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You Lost. The Good Guys Won.
Please, save your lies for your fellow Repubs.  GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR COUNTRY!!  It is the PATRIOTIC and RIGHT thing to do. 
Election's over. You lost.
Get over yourself. This is dead-end rhetoric.
Baldwin: Conservatives Lost More Than an Election sm
Conservatives Lost More Than An Election
by Chuck Baldwin
November 7, 2008



That Barack Obama trounced John McCain last Tuesday should have surprised no one. In fact, in this column, weeks ago, I stated emphatically that John McCain could no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton. He didn't. (Hence a vote for John McCain was a "wasted" vote, was it not?) I also predicted that Obama would win with an electoral landslide. He did. The real story, however, is not how Barack Obama defeated John McCain. The real story is how John McCain defeated America's conservatives.

For all intents and purposes, conservatism--as a national movement--is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.

Soon after G.W. Bush was elected, it quickly became obvious he was no conservative. On the contrary, George Bush has forever established himself as a Big-Government, warmongering, internationalist neocon. Making matters worse was the way Bush presented himself as a conservative Christian. In fact, Bush's portrayal of himself as a conservative Christian paved the way for the betrayal and ultimate destruction of conservatism (something I also predicted years ago). And the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

For example, Bush and his fellow neocons like to categorize and promote themselves as being "pro-life," but they have no hesitation or reservation about killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in reckless and unconstitutional foreign wars. By the same token, how many unborn babies were saved by six years of all three branches of the federal government being under the control of these "pro-life" neocons? Not one! Ask the more than eight million unborn babies who were killed in their mothers' wombs during the last eight years how "pro-life" George W. Bush and John McCain are.

As a result of this insanely inconsistent and pixilated punditry, millions of Americans now laugh at the very notion of "pro-life" conservatism. Bush and McCain have made a mockery of the very term.

Consider, too, the way Bush and McCain have allowed the international bankers on Wall Street to bilk America's taxpayers out of trillions of dollars. Yes, I know Obama also supported the Wall Street bailout, but it was the Republican Party that controlled the White House for the last eight years and the entire federal government for six out of the last eight years. In fact, the GOP has won seven out of the previous ten Presidential elections. They have controlled Supreme Court appointments for the past thirty-plus years. They have appointed the majority of Treasury secretaries and Federal Reserve chairmen. They have presided over the greatest trade imbalances, the biggest deficits, the biggest spending increases, and now the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression.

Again, the American people look at these so-called "conservatives" and laugh. No wonder such a sizeable majority of voters yawned when John McCain tried to scare them by accusing Barack Obama of being a "big taxer." How can one possibly scare people with a charge like that after the GOP has made a total mockery of fiscal conservatism? That's like trying to scare someone coming out from a swim in the Gulf of Mexico with a squirt gun.

Then there was the pathetic attempt by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to scare gun owners regarding an Obama White House. Remember that John McCain is the same guy that the NRA rightly condemned for proposing his blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold bill. McCain is also the same guy that tried to close down gun shows. He even made a personal campaign appearance for a pro-gun control liberal in the State of Oregon a few short years ago. In fact, the Gun Owners of America (GOA) gave McCain a grade of "F" for his dismal record on Second Amendment issues. Once again, Chicken Little-style paranoia over Barack Obama rang hollow when the alternative was someone as liberal as John McCain.

But the worst calamity of this election was the way conservatives--especially Christian conservatives--surrendered their principles for the sake of political partisanship. The James Dobsons of this country should hang their heads in shame! Not only did they lose an election, they lost their integrity!

In South Carolina, for example, pro-life Christians and conservatives had an opportunity to vote for a principled conservative-constitutionalist for the U.S. Senate. He is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, and pro-traditional marriage. He believes in securing our borders against illegal immigration. He is against the bailout for the Wall Street banksters. His conservative credentials are unassailable. But the vast majority of Christian conservatives (including those at Bob Jones University) voted for his liberal opponent instead.

The man that the vast majority of Christian conservatives voted for in South Carolina is a Big-Government neocon. He supported the bailout of the Wall Street banksters. He is a rabid supporter of granting amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. In fact, this man has a conservative rating of only 29% in the current Freedom Index of the New American Magazine.

Why did Christian conservatives support the liberal neocon and not the solid pro-life conservative? Because the conservative ran as a Democrat and the neocon is a Republican. I'm talking about the race between Bob Conley and Lindsey Graham, of course.

Had South Carolina's pastors, Christians, evangelicals, and pro-life conservatives voted for Bob Conley, he would be the new senator-elect from that state. In fact, Bob was so conservative that the Democratic leadership in South Carolina endorsed the Republican, Lindsey Graham! No matter. A majority of evangelical Christians in South Carolina stupidly rejected Bob Conley and voted for Graham.

Across the country, rather than stand on principle, hundreds of thousands of pastors, Christians, and pro-life conservatives capitulated and groveled before John McCain's neocon agenda. In doing so, they forfeited any claim to truth, and they abandoned any and all fidelity to constitutional government. They should rip the stories of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego out of their Bibles. They should never again tell their children, parishioners, and radio audiences the importance of standing for truth and principle. They have made a mockery of Christian virtue. No wonder a majority of the voting electorate laughs at us Christians. No wonder the GOP crashed and burned last Tuesday.

Again, it wasn't Barack Obama who destroyed conservatism; it was George W. Bush, John McCain, and the millions of evangelical Christians who supported them. And until conservatives find their backbone and their convictions, they deserve to remain a burnt-out, has-been political force. They have no one to blame but themselves.

And since it is unlikely that the Republican Party has enough sense to understand any of this and will, therefore, do little to reestablish genuine conservative principles, it is probably best to just go ahead and bury the scoundrels now and move on to something else. Without a sincere commitment to constitutional government, the GOP has no justifiable reason to ever govern again. Therefore, put a fork in them. They are done. Let a new entity arise from the ashes: one that will stand for something more than just "the lesser of two evils." As we say in the South, That dog just won't hunt anymore.
You probably lose more bets than GOP lost offices in this last election.
The red radical finge is a dying breed, destined for extinction.
I only lost $1000 so far-Hubby lost $2000 in a week (sm)

so, I called his financial advisor yesterday and told him to put hubby in a "safe" plan. It's now in a money market fund that is part of his IRA.


I have no choice. I have to stay where I am. I have no "safe" available. Neither of us will be able to retire on what is now in our 401Ks and you're not the only one. We couldn't buy a car with Both our 401Ks, let alone live on it.


We are late starters for retirement  not until our late 40s funds (most of our employers did not offer pensions). We are now of the first retirement tier and although we own our home outright, if we live until we are 90, there is no way we can live off retirement 401Ks or SS.


My husband's father told him back in the 50s that we would experience something like what is happening today and stated it would be worse than the ཙ crash. It is sure starting to look that way, but we will survive some way, I hope.


We need to pray for the people on SS now that cannot survive. I, for one, would love to help them, but can't help ourselves at this moment.


 


When you consider how much these guys
Posted on Tue, Feb. 21, 2006


Dubai company set to run U.S. ports has ties to administration

BY MICHAEL MCAULIFF
New York Daily News

WASHINGTON - The Dubai firm that won Bush administration backing to run six U.S. ports has at least two ties to the White House.

One is Treasury Secretary John Snow, whose department heads the federal panel that signed off on the $6.8 billion sale of an English company to government-owned Dubai Ports World - giving it control of Manhattan's cruise ship terminal and Newark's container port.

Snow was chairman of the CSX rail firm that sold its own international port operations to DP World for $1.15 billion in 2004, the year after Snow left for President Bush's cabinet.

The other connection is David Sanborn, who runs DP World's European and Latin American operations and who was tapped by Bush last month to head the U.S. Maritime Administration.

The ties raised more concerns about the decision to give port control to a company owned by a nation linked to the Sept. 11 hijackers.

The more you look at this deal, the more the deal is called into question, said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who said the deal was rubber-stamped in advance - even before DP World formally agreed to buy London's P&O port company.

Besides operations in New York and Jersey, Dubai would also run port facilities in Philadelphia, New Orleans, Baltimore and Miami.

The political fallout over the deal only grows.

It's particularly troubling that the United States would turn over its port security not only to a foreign company, but a state-owned one, said western New York's Rep. Tom Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Campaign Committee. Reynolds is responsible for helping Republicans keep their majority in the House.

Snow's Treasury Department runs the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S., which includes 11 other agencies.

It always raises flags when administration officials have ties to a firm, Rep. Vito Fossella, R-N.Y., said, but insisted that stopping the deal was more important.

The New York Daily News has learned that lawmakers also want to know if a detailed 45-day investigation should have been conducted instead of one that lasted no more than 25 days.

According to a 1993 congressional measure, the longer review is mandated when the company is owned by a foreign government and the purchase could result in control of a person engaged in interstate commerce in the U.S. that could affect the national security of the U.S.

Congressional sources said the president has until March 2 to trigger that closer look.

The most important thing is for someone to explain how this is consistent with our national security, Fossella said.



you guys
First, there are no terrorists and we are just fighting a senseless war. Then no one is to be trusted!  LOL!  Cracks me up.
I think that 19 guys getting
on planes and crashing them into buildings were pretty freakin' emboldened to begin with. Whatever is making them more bold (and I would debate that - I don't think they could get more bold) it is not a bunch of lefties carrying signs. I think they are as bold as bold gets right now without any help from us and they are splintering more and more...soldiers of God, sounds like Jim Jones.
after what you guys have done to her....
take two. Don't forget the mouth. :)
So, sm, what about those guys in
Neery a peep?
What about these guys? (sm)
 
  • Republican sex offender and former North Country assemblyman and current state Parole Board member, George "Chris" Ortloff, 61, was arrested on Monday, Oct. 13, 2008 on federal charges that he used the Internet to solicit sex with minors. He was arrested following a sting operation at a Colonie motel and had allegedly arranged for a date with a minor he met on the Internet. '' The New York Post reports that he had child pornography and sex paraphernalia in his possession when he was arrested. State Police reportedly searched Ortloff'''s home in Plattsburgh and a computer had been seized from his Lake Placid real estate office, officials said. Ortloff, married with two sons, retired from the Assembly in 2006 having represented the 110 th District. '' He was appointed to the part-time position on the Parole Board, a six year term which expires in 2012, a position paying him $102,000 a year.

    • Republican sex offender & Missouri State Rep. Scott Muschany, (R)-Frontenac, was indicted today, Aug 6, 2008, in connection with a reported sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl on May 17, the day after this year’s Legislative session ended. The alleged victim is the daughter of a state employee. The girl’s mother and Muschany, a married father of 2 children, were romantically involved, the woman said. (Aren't "Family Values" a wonderful thing?) In a morbid twist of irony, Muschany was a co-sponsor of legislation that toughened sex offender laws in 2006. According to his legislative biography, Muschany and his wife were licensed as foster parents with the Division of Family Services.

      • Republican sex offender & longtime stalwart Republican operative Peter Hong was arrested July 23, 2008 for solicitation of prostitution. Police spokesman Peter Panos said that the arrest came during the first day of a two-day sting operation during which "johns" and prostitutes responded to ads placed on the Internet and in print. Thirty-five people were arrested Wednesday and Thursday, Panos said today.

        • Republican sex offender & candidate for Mineral County (W.Va.) Commission Wilton Frederick Bland, 30, of Bayberry Place, was arrested March 23, 2007, after police received a complaint concerning a juvenile boy who said Bland had wanted him to appear nude on the Internet. Bland charged last year with 136 counts related to sexually based crimes against children has been sentenced to a possible total of 85 years after pleading guilty in both Grant and Mineral counties. was charged at the time with 73 counts of possession of child pornography, 45 counts of sexual assault in the first degree for allegedly having sex with a child under age 11, nine counts of use of obscene matter with intent to seduce a minor, seven counts of display of obscene matter to a minor and two counts of employing a minor to do sexually explicit conduct, according to the West Virginia State Police.

          • Republican Delegate Robert McKee, known as an advocate for children's rights, is the focus of a child pornography investigation after officers searched his Hagerstown, MD home. McKee is not facing any charges right now, but as of today, Feb 15, 2008, he has resigned his position as both a state delegate and as executive director of the Big Brothers Big Sisters Club of Washington County. In a statement, McKee said he is entering treatment to, "get well and stay well." Shock waves echoed through Hagerstown, as the news that he was being investigated for child pornography spread like wildfire.
            **We will be keeping an eye on this story for further developments**


            • Republican sex offender & Department of Children & Families press secretary AL Zimmerman, 40, was arrested Friday, Feb 1, 2008 and charged with eight felony charges of using a child in a sexual performance. According to an arrest report, Zimmerman offered two teens money in exchange for photographing them in sexual acts. The victims were ages 16 and 17 at the time of the crime, and at least one may have been in the care of DCF at one point, according to the report. Authorities believe some of the images date back to December 2005, the arrest report showed. Zimmerman is suspected of taking photos as recently as Friday, the report showed.

              • The Republican Mayor, who is also the Pastor of the Temple Lot Church in Collins Missouri, a town in St. Clair County, is accused of trying to convince someone whom he thought was a teenage girl to meet him for sex. Diamond police say Allen D Kauffman is charged in Newton County with four counts of enticement of a child after an online investigation that began in mid-November.
                Diamond Police Detective Jim Murray says he posed as a 13-year-old girl named Cindy and was approached by a man who used the screen name duke dukeadk on Nov. 15 about noon in an online chat room.
                Murray says Kauffman discussed meeting her to take nude photos and to have sex. Over the course of seven conversations during the past two months, transcripts show each chat was sexually graphic. Murray say Kauffman recognized the girl’s age, and even showed some hesitation, teasing the girl about whether she could be a cop.
                Police say Kauffman repeatedly asked the girl to use a webcam, and didn't wait long to use his. The detective saved some photos from a webcam on Kauffman's computer in his home in Collins.


                • Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman, 37, of Allouez, Wisconsin was charged last month with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child for allegedly fondling a 16-year-old Ethan House runaway and providing the boy with beer and marijuana late last year.

                  • Republican U.S. Justice Department official John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a 5 year old child. An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police. In deposition, detectives said Atchison suggested the mother tell her daughter that "you found her a sweet boyfriend who will bring her presents." The undercover detective expressed concern about physical injury to the 5-year-old girl as a result of the sexual activity. Detectives said Atchison responded, " I am always gentle and loving; not to worry, no damage ever, no rough stuff ever. I only like it soft and nice." The undercover detective asked how Atchison can be certain of no injury. He responded, "Just gotta go slow and very easy. I've done it plenty," according to detectives.
                    **UPDATE: John Atchison has killed himself. Detroit police confirmed Atchison's suicide death at 10:14 a.m. Friday, Oct. 5, 2007. Good riddance, scumbag!


                    • Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.

                      • Republican Homeland Security deputy press secretary Brian J. Doyle , 55, was arrested Tuesday night, April 4, 2006 and charged with trying to "seduce'' a 14-year-old Polk County girl with graphic talk over the Internet. On March 12, Doyle contacted a 14-year-old girl whose profile was posted on an AOL Web site, according to the Sheriff's Office release. Initially, detectives thought Doyle was posing as someone working for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. But they soon learned otherwise when he sent a picture to the girl over the Internet wearing an official ``DHS tag'', Judd said.

                        • The former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, Michael Flory, admitted Tuesday that he sexually abused a colleague during a national convention in Cleveland last summer

                          • Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.

                            • Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.

                              • Republican Township Supervisor Robert Holland stepped down amid accusations that he sexually assaulted a 92-year-old nursing home resident in 2006. Holland, a 77-year-old Republican, pleaded guilty to aggravated indecent assault and related charges and is now serving a two- to four-year prison sentence in Bucks County.

                                • Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.

                                  • Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.

                                    • Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.

                                      • Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period.

                                        • Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.

                                          • Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

                                            • Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

                                              • Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

                                                • Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

                                                  • Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

                                                    • Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

                                                      • Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

                                                        • Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.

                                                          • Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

                                                            • Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

                                                              • Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

                                                                • Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

                                                                  • Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

                                                                    • Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

                                                                      • Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

                                                                        • Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

                                                                          • Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

                                                                            • Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

                                                                              • Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

                                                                                • Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

                                                                                  • Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

                                                                                    • Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

                                                                                      • Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

                                                                                        • Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

                                                                                          • Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

                                                                                            • Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

                                                                                              • Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

                                                                                                • Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

                                                                                                  • Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

                                                                                                    • Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.

                                                                                                      • Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

                                                                                                        • Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her 2 children by strapping them in their car seats and plunging them into a lake in South Carolina and blamed it on a black man. Beverly Russell admitted abusing Smith when she was 15 and continuing an incestuous relationship with her until shortly before she drowned her children in John D. Long Lake.

                                                                                                          • Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.

                                                                                                            • Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

                                                                                                              • Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

                                                                                                                • Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

                                                                                                                  • Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

                                                                                                                    • Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.


                                                                                                                      • Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.


                                                                                                                        • Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.


                                                                                                                          • Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

                                                                                                                            • Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

                                                                                                                              • Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

                                                                                                                                • Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.


                                                                                                                                  • Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).


                                                                                                                                    • Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

                                                                                                                                      • Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

                                                                                                                                        • Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

                                                                                                                                          • Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

                                                                                                                                            • Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

                                                                                                                                              • Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

                                                                                                                                                • Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

                                                                                                                                                  • Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

                                                                                                                                                    • Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

                                                                                                                                                      • Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

                                                                                                                                                        • Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

                                                                                                                                                          • Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

                                                                                                                                                            • Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

                                                                                                                                                              • Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

                                                                                                                                                                • Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

                                                                                                                                                                  • Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

                                                                                                                                                                    • Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.



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                                                                                                                                                                      • Oh hea, look you guys
                                                                                                                                                                        Wall street is crashing, pew, pew, wink, wink, I just about fell out of my trailer. Me and joe six pack could not find a condom and my daughter sure did not have one, then the president came on and the wow, geez, its all about jobs you know.
                                                                                                                                                                        He did not take anything from big guys
                                                                                                                                                                        The limit is $2,300 for the primary and $2,300 for the general election. Certain companies that are big and powerful had employees who gave donations, but he did not take any lobbyist money. I think that very big people who are anonymous yank the whole government's chains though. Look at the congress...ugh!
                                                                                                                                                                        who are you guys?
                                                                                                                                                                        Everything you just blabbered on and on about is exactly government control. Listening in on private conversation....government control.

                                                                                                                                                                        Paying taxes for Gitmo and the moochers of this country....government control. Paying for Gitmo criminals to come over here courtesy of Obama and we pay to house them here in this country as well and pay for Obama to allow them to be tortured in this country.....government control.

                                                                                                                                                                        You mean paying for the private companies that are corrupt and made one deceitful decision after another while Barney Frank sang their praies just a few weeks before they screwed their employees over?......government control.

                                                                                                                                                                        Paying taxes to keep up ANYTHING except our military.....government control.

                                                                                                                                                                        Tax breaks to companies overseas? Can't blame one party for that....both parties have caused that. Those overseas companies actually started here. They went overseas because of government control once again. No government control of their companies, i.e., tax.....they stay here and hire our people to work. Just like McCain said, cut their taxes big time and they will come back here and hire our people. WHat did Obama say? I will tax the heck out of them, those big old bad companies. You think they're gonna stay here at all now? GOVERNMENT CONTROL.....

                                                                                                                                                                        Overturn Roe v Wade? Absolutely! Federal government had no business making that decision in the first place. That should be state decisions. New York was the first state to say yes,you can kill babies here, and guess what? Many went there and found a way to do it. Those states that do not want abortion should not have it forced down their throats either.......government control.

                                                                                                                                                                        Let us not even begin talking about segregation, which by the way, had its beginnings at the democratic level. If you're so concerned about segregation, maybe you need to look to the democratic party, which was the biggest killer of civil rights laws for the blacks in this country, including the well-loved president Kennedy, who shot down every civil rights law that came his way and the KKK leader (democrat) who despised Martin Luther King and condemned his messages...I believe he called him an inciter of hate. BTW, MLK was a Republican for all those who live in ignorance believing the democrats are their friend. He certainly knew who was standing up for civil rights for blacks and it WASN't the democrats. MLK fought the democrats who stood at the doors of the school house. Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery and they also passed the Jim Crow laws and Black Codes. It was actually a republican president who pushed to get the civil rights laws passed to allow desegregation in the first place. I'm not sure how you equal abortion of babies to segregation, but it's not the same thing.

                                                                                                                                                                        If you mean Independent Party when you say you guys, then that is what we're for......less government. Did you hear me say anything that would applaud bigger goverment?

                                                                                                                                                                        If government wasn't involved you wouldn't have to worry about deregulation and monopolies of companies. If those in Congress on BOTH sides didn't have their hands in these companies, you wouldn't be seeing any of these problems. Government should have let them crumble. We're in this "mess" because government stuck their big noses in, took my money once again, and gave everyone a blank check.......government control.

                                                                                                                                                                        Problem is, until democrats stop pointing fingers at the republicans, when the problem lies with BOTH parties, then government will continue to control your life.




                                                                                                                                                                        you guys

                                                                                                                                                                        crack me up.  Instead of accusing someone else of being disrespectful, why not look in the mirror.  That seems to be your raison d'etre.


                                                                                                                                                                         


                                                                                                                                                                        You mean like the way you guys have...(sm)

                                                                                                                                                                        given Obama such a break before he even got into office, and now all through the ceremony?  No.


                                                                                                                                                                        I would not delay prosecuting Bush for war crimes just as I would not delay prosecuting a murder that lived next door.  I would have been happy if they would have carted him off to prison at 12:01 today.


                                                                                                                                                                        You guys are really something.  The man committed a crime, has been blatent about committing that crime, and all you do is defend him....unbelievable.


                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe the guys at YU.....
                                                                                                                                                                        threatened to pound them if they messed with us girls? lol - anything is possible.
                                                                                                                                                                        You guys really need to....(sm)
                                                                                                                                                                        come out of the Fox hole and take a look around.
                                                                                                                                                                        I don't see where you guys are getting
                                                                                                                                                                        this stuff.  Fox News has a link on their website talking about the violence in Iran and last night and this morning they had one of their correspondence over in Iran on the phone reporting what is going on.  Fox isn't NOT reporting about Iran.
                                                                                                                                                                        What planet do you guys come from?
                                                                                                                                                                        You actually think people by this stuff as genuine. Again, do you actually think through what you state, or do you state it for the shock effect. I assume it's the latter.
                                                                                                                                                                        Not at all, but YOU guys seem to be the one who hates
                                                                                                                                                                        x
                                                                                                                                                                        you guys are so funny
                                                                                                                                                                        You conservatives crack me up..You are on the liberal board, reading liberal information and you just cant help yourself, you attack liberal posts on the liberal board..That is too funny.  And that rabid dog *Rep* keeps posting on my posts, even though I told the person I will no longer read posts from *Rep*.  You guys just cant stop it, can ya?  I know times are scary for republicans right now and it is just eating away at you all.  It is laughable.
                                                                                                                                                                        Guys, I'm going to be honest...sm
                                                                                                                                                                        I don't see what the major deal is about the wire tapping. Maybe there's something I'm missing, but as a child I've always been told that the government tapped phone lines warrantlessly (seeing as how they could probably get a warrant anyway).

                                                                                                                                                                        So tell me in laymen's terms, what is the big problem with this for the average law abiding citizen?
                                                                                                                                                                        Wow, you guys are sure defensive!
                                                                                                                                                                        I am just used to boards where the current events are being discussed.  Yes, I was trying to stir the pot!   Just not like you think.  Wrong approach?  LOL...maybe.  So what is your opinion about the stem cell bill coming up?  
                                                                                                                                                                        I know. I love these guys. (NT)
                                                                                                                                                                        :-)
                                                                                                                                                                        I do not resent those guys...
                                                                                                                                                                        any more than I resent the ones who ran to Canada or otherwise dodged the draft. What I resent is an all volunteer army not being supported by their countrymen who they are fighting and dying for. When protestors belittle veterans, spit on them, call them stupid, and on and on and on...yes, I resent that. I resent it deeply. The reason the draft was such a bad thing during Viet Nam and not such a bad thing in 1940 is the difference in the patriotism and mindset of an 18-year-old in 1940 and the same in an 18-year-old in 1960. The 18-year-olds who dodged the draft in 1960 had no conception of patriotism, no conception of the true origins of this country...the ideal that there are some things worth dying for is itself dying. And with it true patriotism, national unity, and on and on. Believe me, I can identify with not wanting to go where I might be killed. However, I know in whom I believe and I know my destiny is sealed. Young people did not have that in the 60's like they did in the 40's. In the 40's God was still a very important part of the daily national lives of most Americans. In the 60's that was no longer the case. I know you will not agree with me and that is fine...however, I can see the moral decline and I can see the character strength erode along with it, right through history. There has been so much liberal rewriting of history that to this point young people really have no clue of the origins of this country. And not only young people....black people as well. I would be willing to bet that at least 85% of blacks think that Democrats fought slavery and that Democrats are who gained them their civil rights, and that is exactly the opposite. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and the Republican congress passed the first civil rights laws after the Civil War just to make sure the Democrats did not turn right around and take away the rights the Civil War bought them...which they tried to do. THAT is true history. And it was Democrats who fought the civil rights movement in the 60s...look at the votes for that little piece of history. Yet I would be willing to bet that the majority of black people have no clue it was actually the Republicans who first emancipated them and then gave them civil rights. I could go on and on...but I won't. Have a good day, Lurker.
                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for replying guys...
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm glad to hear he is gaining your confidence and maybe even your vote.  I really hope he keeps up the hard work and shows America what he's truly capable of.  I think he has the potential to be an amazing leader, and I hope he gets the chance to prove me right!
                                                                                                                                                                        I was never any competition for you guys...
                                                                                                                                                                        Your streaks had me beat by a mile. 
                                                                                                                                                                        We learned it from you guys
                                                                                                                                                                        **
                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, REALLY? Like you guys don't start to -sm
                                                                                                                                                                        soil your panties everytime you come across another person who doesn't think exactly like you in every way?
                                                                                                                                                                        So true. What those guys say on the air

                                                                                                                                                                        How does this stack up to the other guys?
                                                                                                                                                                        Obama and Biden both have released 10 years of their income tax returns.
                                                                                                                                                                        According to your information, Obama gave 3.8% of his income over 10 years to charity. I do not think this reflects the whole picture because it appears that he files separately from Michele. Not shown on your chart was the average of 5.7% in contributions of their combined incomes in 2007 and for 2006, 6.1%.

                                                                                                                                                                        McCain has disclosed little about his family finances. He files separately from his wife, and he has put out only his 2006 and 2007 returns. There seem to be wild discrepancies in the reports of how much McCain gives to charity, but it appears that he donates generously. When your wife's net worth is $100 million, you can afford to be REALLY generous…something on the order of 25%, as near as I can tell. The campaign released Cindy's two-page tax return for 2006, but not complete returns. Reports on that also vary wildly, ranging between less than a 1% to 7% contribution to charity on $6 million income.

                                                                                                                                                                        The Palins…well that's another story. There are a number of reports out that Sarah Palin has a "tax mess," with some allegations of tax evasion. She has only released returns for 2007 and 2006, with charitable contributions averaging 2.9%. Joe Biden seems to be an uncontested miser, with contributions to charity of around 0.3%.

                                                                                                                                                                        The national average for charitable contributions is 3%, so it looks like the Obamas are well above that average, so I am really not quite sure what you were trying to say.

                                                                                                                                                                        PS: Obama is planning to raise taxes on himself.
                                                                                                                                                                        sorry -- I know how much you guys like references
                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1022/p01s02-usec.html
                                                                                                                                                                        You guys are a trip...

                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe I'll send him some money because I can't believe he's not spending more.  Oh maybe he's frugal...  Darn it! 


                                                                                                                                                                        Dear Mr. President (Barack or is it Barry):


                                                                                                                                                                        CHEERS!!! 


                                                                                                                                                                        Sincerely,


                                                                                                                                                                        A voter who is all for the CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!! 


                                                                                                                                                                        Oh yeah...you guys are just

                                                                                                                                                                        friggin geniuses aren't ya.  Picking a man to run our country who has little to no experience.  A man who associates with radicals and racists.  A man who is so extreme left it isn't funny.  A man who would allow abortion with no guidelines whatsoever. A man who would take away our right to protect ourselves by taking away our guns.  A man who promises things he can't possibly keep.  A man who can't make an executive decision.  A man who has no military experience.  Whatever....



                                                                                                                                                                        See? Already u guys are talking to yourselves !!!!!!!!! nm
                                                                                                                                                                        nm
                                                                                                                                                                        two guys arrested -

                                                                                                                                                                        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_re_us/obama_effigy_8;_ylt=ApnYVC6hvVirz0zH0FdKaFxh24cA


                                                                                                                                                                        These two guys hung an Obama effigy from a tree and they were arrested...


                                                                                                                                                                        You want to communicate with the guys before 911?

                                                                                                                                                                        A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine that  America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.
                                                                                                                                                                        Pause a moment, reflect back.
                                                                                                                                                                        These events are actual events from history..
                                                                                                                                                                        They really happened!!!
                                                                                                                                                                        Do you remember?
                                                                                                                                                                        1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim male extremist.
                                                                                                                                                                        2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        3. In 1979, the  US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at  Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        8. In 1988 , Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        9. In 1993 the World   Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        10. In 1998, the  US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        11. On 9/11/01 , four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        12. In 2002 the  United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim male extremists.
                                                                                                                                                                        13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by-- you guessed it-- Muslim male extremists..
                                                                                                                                                                        No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people... Absolutely No Profiling!
                                                                                                                                                                        They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss,  but leave Muslim Males alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
                                                                                                                                                                        According to The Book of Revelations:
                                                                                                                                                                        The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, he will destroy everything.
                                                                                                                                                                        And Now:
                                                                                                                                                                        For the award winning Act of Stupidity Of all times the People of America want to elect, to the most Powerful position on the face of the Planet -- The Presidency of the United states of America ... A Male of Muslim descent who is the most extremely liberal Senator in Congress (in other words an extremist) and in his 40s.
                                                                                                                                                                        Have the American People completely lost their Minds, or just their Power of Reason ???
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the 'unknown' candidate Obama...
                                                                                                                                                                        Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and other stupid attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense, feel ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such sense.
                                                                                                                                                                        As the writer of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it,
                                                                                                                                                                        'Stupid Is As Stupid Does'
                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                        Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet....do it!
                                                                                                                                                                        or again. .  just delete if you disagree.
                                                                                                                                                                        This was fun, you guys beat me, I got a
                                                                                                                                                                        67%, but it was fun, Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                        Wise guys....
                                                                                                                                                                        our founding fathers. The suggestion of separation of church and state is in the Constitution for a reason. This is not about accommodating the nonbelievers or any of your other extreme statements of protest.

                                                                                                                                                                        Preserving religious traditions (especially Christmas) has a time and place...inside churches, in the privacy of our homes, in our faces at the malls, in restaurants, convenience stores, gas stations, smeared all over the landscape in parking lots, neighborhoods, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                        My question to you is why is it some folks cannot tolerate religion-free zones? Injecting religous beliefs, symbols, etc can be an extremely divisive act, as we can see by your own post. Would you also mount such strong defenses, for example, on behalf of Moslem, Jewish and Buddhist invocations at the inauguration?

                                                                                                                                                                        Many of us are sick and tired, just like you, but not for the same reason. I'm tired of having this stuff crammed down my throat and seeing it creep into the body of our laws.

                                                                                                                                                                        Do you always get so hostile whenever somebody brings up one of the earliest and most Constitutionally protected traditions of our nation?
                                                                                                                                                                        You know, I'd really like to get a hold of the guys...sm

                                                                                                                                                                        who sat and crunched the numbers and decided that it would be cheaper for their business to take American jobs and outsource them.  Cheaper for who?  If they would think this process out, and do the old school math instead of this fancy new math, they may have come up with a different answer. 


                                                                                                                                                                        Take for instance transcription: 


                                                                                                                                                                        Factor in hundreds to thousands of Americans losing their jobs to India, the newest craze in Transcriptionist outsourcing. 


                                                                                                                                                                        Factor in the loss of revenue from how much each of those transcriptionists can no longer spend and help keep the economy balanced, ESPECIALLY in such a recession now. 


                                                                                                                                                                        Factor in how little the government is going to issue out to these people who cannot find work so they can at least feed their family while they try to find something comparable to what they were doing.  Factor in the few government grants that people can qualify for because they are now low income.  Compare that to the millions they lost and are no longer contributing to the economy. 


                                                                                                                                                                        Factor in the cut backs because people have lost their jobs and can no longer afford health care, and now the hospitals can no longer afford the MTSOs and have to bring what work they do have back in-house. 


                                                                                                                                                                        Factor in now the MTSO that outsourced the work in the first place no longer has work available to outsource, thereby breeching contract, therefore having to pay huge fines, losing contracts left and right, and whoop, there goes another business under. 


                                                                                                                                                                        Oh who am I kidding, what do they care?  They will just pay themselves a big bonus as they watch the company Titanic sink, and then AHDI and the lawyers will jump in and bail them out using the money that was skimmed from the employees who worked so hard for many years, just like the taxpayers!!??!! Man this country is messed up! 


                                                                                                                                                                        Don't you guys get tired of the same old - sm

                                                                                                                                                                             argument, day-in, day-out, week-in, week-out, month-in, month-out?  Democrats are spenders.  Republicans are greedy hogs.  The country is in decline.  Abortion will cause god to strike us all dead.  We'll overpopulate the world and all starve to death.  Whatever.   When it all boils down, ya know what?  It just doesn't frickin matter.  Whatever's going to happen in this country is going to happen, and we have very little control.  We never did, we don't now, and we likely never will.   I think we need to abolish the party-system altogether, or else nothing useful will ever get done in government.  So, knowing that will never happen, rather than keep on fighting about it, we should just leave government to bicker with itself, and come up with our own ways of making our own lives better.  In the end, that's all that matters anyway.   No sense getting an ulcer or having a coronary about who is president or who isn't, because bottom line?  It just doesn't matter. 


                                                                                                                                                                         


                                                                                                                                                                        In a way I actually don't blame these guys...(sm)
                                                                                                                                                                        If Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, and Elisabeth Hasselbeck are representative of the average republican wife, wouldn't you want a change of pace every now and then? 
                                                                                                                                                                        Wow - you guys are such TOOLZ.

                                                                                                                                                                        The only way to stop these guys

                                                                                                                                                                        is to arm the ships, train each person on the ship how to use a gun, etc. and then blow these SOBs out of the water before they can board the ships.  They aren't going to stop unless they sustain a huge loss in their numbers and know that no country is going to put up with this BS. 


                                                                                                                                                                        You guys are so thickheaded!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                        Let me explain this again...

                                                                                                                                                                        OBAMA SAID I AM A CHRISTIAN

                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL3I80MmzAk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barackobama.com%2Ffactcheck%2F2007%2F11%2F12%2Fobama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php&feature=player_embedded


                                                                                                                                                                        Because of the choices he has made, such as supporting abortion across the board, COVERING THE NAME JESUS at a meeting, etc etc, he is not ACTING LIKE A CHRISTIAN.

                                                                                                                                                                        Therefore, I am convinced he is not a Christian.

                                                                                                                                                                        There is no prejudice in that. He is a liar, plain and simple. A hypocrite, if you will. I still hope and pray that he does well for our country, but I do not appreciate someone calling themselves a Christian and then doing the exact opposite!

                                                                                                                                                                        True Christians do not wear a cloak of Christianity, they cannot remove it at the door to support their worldly purpose. Miss Cali proved that plain and simple, she could have given the "appropriate" answer and been fine, but she stood by her faith! If only our president would be brave enough to do the same thing!


                                                                                                                                                                        I bet you would love it if an atheist president got up there and started pandering to the Christians by bringing prayer back in schools, etc., but kept claiming to be an atheist!



                                                                                                                                                                        Nah. You guys are the best by far! You've got it

                                                                                                                                                                         down to a science (well, if you believed in science, you would). 


                                                                                                                                                                        Sometimes the good guys DO win!

                                                                                                                                                                        You guys are correct in saying....(sm)

                                                                                                                                                                        there are many insured people who don't use it.  I kind of doubt though that Obama's going to force them to go to the doc by putting a gun to their heads...lol.  I do think this needs to be addressed though.  Maybe something along the lines of making it so they lose their benefits if they don't show up for routine visits? 


                                                                                                                                                                        Another thing.  When you guys talk about the uninsured it seems you just look at the very poor and indigent.  While they are a large portion of the uninsured, there are a ton of folks out there who are not like that.  For example, people who work at McDonalds, no education for a better job, can't get a full-time job so are not eligible for benefits.  I think these are the people Obama are targeting.  There will always be some kind of indigent care in place.


                                                                                                                                                                        You guys might want to read up on history. sm
                                                                                                                                                                        Hitler hated the Jews for several reasons, one of which was communism. Socialism and communism are bosom buddies. The left LOVES socialism.  Thus anything a Nazi war criminal says that you use is pretty darned frightening and says a lot more about the left than they are willing to say about themselves.  So glad you are keeping us informed. 
                                                                                                                                                                        Cover up the Prez!! Have you guys seen this?

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