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Posted By: gt on 2005-09-10
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Do any of you ever watch subtitle South Korean shows?  Out here in CA, we have a channel that is for mainly Indian/Asian shows and I gotta tell ya, I have gotten to like the South Korean mini series..they last about 18 shows, twice a week..They are so good and have made me understand the Asian culture so much..I have a Japanese friend and I was astonished when I went to her home, you take your shoes off and sit on the floor for eating, sleep on the floor..all the things I thought were in the past..Plus, a big bonus, at least I think so, Asian guys are so cute. Hey, conservatives, if you are gonna attack me for this post, save it..okay?  IMO, learning about others will keep us alive and not bombing each other.


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Kind of off topic...Arkansas Mother Gives Birth to 16th Child - see article

This is a better woman than I am, 16 kids, ranging from birth - 17.


 


Arkansas Mother Gives Birth to 16th Child





By MELISSA NELSON, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 3 minutes ago



LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Michelle Duggar just delivered her 16th child, and she's already thinking about doing it again.




Johannah Faith Duggar was born at 6:30 a.m. Tuesday and weighed 7 pounds, 6.5 ounces.


The baby's father, Jim Bob Duggar, a former state representative, said Wednesday that mother and child were doing well.


He said Johannah's birth was especially exciting because it was the first time in eight years the family has had a girl.


Jim Bob Duggar, 40, said he and Michelle, 39, want more children.


We both just love children and we consider each a blessing from the Lord. I have asked Michelle if she wants more and she said yes, if the Lord wants to give us some she will accept them, he said.


The Discovery Health Channel filmed Johannah's birth and plans to air a show about the family of 18 next May.


The Learning Channel is doing another show about the family's construction project, a 7,000-square foot house that should be finished before Christmas. The home, which the family has been building for two years, will have nine bathrooms, dormitory-style bedrooms for the girls and boys, a commercial kitchen, four washing machines and four dryers.


Jim Bob Duggar, who sells real estate, previously lost his bid for the U.S. Senate. He said he expects to run for the state Senate next year but isn't ready to make a formal announcement.


Michelle Duggar had her first child at age 21, four years after the couple married.


Their children include two sets of twins, and each child has a name beginning with the letter J: Joshua, 17; John David, 15; Janna, 15; Jill, 14; Jessa, 12; Jinger, 11; Joseph, 10; Josiah, 9; Joy-Anna, 8; Jeremiah, 6; Jedidiah, 6; Jason, 5; James, 4; Justin, 2; and Jackson Levi, 1.


A little off topic...sm
 
TO ALL THE KIDS

WHO SURVIVED the 
40's, 50's, 60's and 70's !!


First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant.

 

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

 

 

Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

 

 

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we
rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

 

As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.


Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.


We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.


We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and

 

NO ONE actually died from this.

 

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank koolade made with sugar, but we weren't overweight because .

 

WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

 

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back  when the streetlights came on.

 

 

No one was able to reach us all day.

 

 

And we were O.K.



We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down
the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

 

 

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or chat rooms..........

 

 

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found  them!

 

 

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
lawsuits from these accidents.

 

 

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

 

 

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,

made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang
the bell, or just walked in and talke! d to them!

 

 

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

 

 

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.

 

 

They actually sided with the law!

 

 

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

 

 

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

 

 

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned

 

HOW TO

DEAL WITH IT ALL!

 

If YOU are one of them . . . CONGRATULATIONS!

 

 

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as
kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives

 

for our own good.

 

And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave (and lucky) their parents were.

 

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?!


what topic would you like us

to discuss? I'm open to discussion.


 


off topic but.
regarding that burial arrangement.. In much of Europe burial plots are "rented." You can only stay buried there as long as someone continues to pay the rent. It is a "duty" that gets handed down generation to generation. If there is no one paying your yearly rent, they dig you up and you go to the common area, which is oftentimes not even actually burial. Many cemetaries have a kind of holding area that is just full of the bones that remain from the people who were removed from the burial sites for non-payment.
Nothing to say on the topic?
Yawn.
I was the OP of that particular topic.

I do believe that I stated below that I am not one of the irresponsible people who got us in this mess.  My husband and I pay our bills and our mortgage.  I know the government won't pay off my mortgage.  It was wishful thinking and playfulness.  That is why I encouraged others to think about what they could buy if they didn't have their mortgage to pay each month.  I'm sorry but you have taken it WAY out of context and blown it WAY out of proportion.  I don't expect any one to pay my bills but me and I certainly don't want my money going to irresponsible people either. 


Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if the government would reward responsible people for once instead of continually giving more money to crooked politicians and crooked rich people and constantly giving to irresponsible people.  What do honest, hard-working Americans get in return for their hard work......we are asked to give more of our money to the government so they can spend it well on Pelosi's mice and other porky things in a stimulous package that will not work.


BTW, you assumed that I'm a pub.  When it comes down to it....I'm a middle of the road kind of person.  I agree some with one side and some with another.  So don't stereotype me as a pub and call me a hypocrit.  It was wishful thinking and playfulness and you turned it into this huge issue when it should not have been. 


Try less caffeine and maybe some yoga for stress relief.


I am the OP of that topic.

I pay my bills.  I pay my mortgage.  I expect no one to pay my bills for me.  I was suggesting the government paying off my mortgage for me in a playful manner.  That is why I encouraged others to think of things they could buy if they didn't have to pay their mortgage every month.   You assume that I am a pub obviously or you would not have attacked my playful topic and called me a hypocrit.  Well, I am not a pub.  I am a middle of the road kind of person who can see some points on both sides of the fence.  So stop stereotyping me and please reduce your caffeine intake and learn to take a playful topic as that....just for fun. 


Note to gt......off topic

It's me - the one who's been posting under all the gt alias joke monikers.  I just had to blow off steam after the conservative board debacle last night.  Don't know why I get involved in it.  My fall equinox resolution will be to inform, not condemn.


Thanks for tolerating my not-that-funny-ha-ha little joke.


new topic for discussion

McCain's cross in the dirt story he tells now -- history of:


 


how similar the McCain story is to that offered by Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsen and then later popularized by Christian leaders Chuck Colson and Billy Graham. Sullivan also points out other suspicious changes:


The story changed from the guard using a sandal to the guard using a stick.


At Saddleback, McCain talked about a single guard being the protagonist. The same guard loosened his ropes and then later sketchd the cross in the dirt. In McCain's 1999 book, these were two different guards at two different prison camps.


McCain's first writings about his time in captivity didn't mention the story at all, so he's asked his readers for evidence of McCain offering that story prior to his 1999 book (when he was gearing up for a presidential run).


Several contributors to the comment thread on my first post have pointed to this rather stunning New York Times piece from 2000 in which McCain tells the story but about someone else!


Many years ago a scared American prisoner of war in Vietnam was tied in torture ropes by his tormentors and left alone in an empty room to suffer through the night. Later in the evening a guard he had never spoken to entered the room and silently loosened the ropes to relieve his suffering. Just before morning, that same guard came back and re-tightened the ropes before his less humanitarian comrades returned. He never said a word to the grateful prisoner, but some months later, on a Christmas morning, as the prisoner stood alone in the prison courtyard, the same good Samaritan walked up to him and stood next to him for a few moments. Then with his sandal, the guard drew a cross in the dirt. Both prisoner and guard both stood wordlessly there for a minute or two, venerating the cross, until the guard rubbed it out and walked away.

 


I like Obama, but everything is a topic

There has always been scandal and there always will be because we're all human.  I think Obama wants us to think he's "not involved" and does not promote it, which I'm sure he doesn't, but you can't think that he's not liking the negative attention casted towards that party rather than his.  This has become something big (baby mama drama) in this country.  It's everywhere. I think Maury Povich does a show every day on it doesn't he?  Paternity testing and such...  It's in our world and there's no turning our backs on it. 


This should be the #1 topic on this board. sm
The Fed is responsible for this whole mess. They will also profit from it like they have been since 1913. The currency controllers have control over everything including the 2 puppets starring in the current horse and pony show.

Another good video to watch for those that do not understand our very corrupt system is Money as Debt. Here is the link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
I'm with you and hope to keep a topic like this going. sm
America is sick, someone please call a doctor.
One way to make the topic go away
is to stop responding to it. Does it occur to you you're giving it a lot more power than it probably deserves to have?
O is not the article topic.
Or just trying to avoid it all together? Once you read it, you might be able to at least grasp the main idea.

I am used to the lame smears and all the pathos that surrounds those who hurl them. They don't work. Even the more intelligent among the pubs are beginning to see that, but I guess it takes longer for others to catch on.
You really can't stay on topic, can you?
It might help you focus a bit better.
Forget the topic I did...LOL. nm

I was just going to post on this very topic -
Not only are these companies getting our tax money to cover their irresponsible and greedy butts, but they are not even paying in their taxes!

It really burns me up - if I owed that money they would be all over me - potentially a crime - my butt would be sitting in prison!!!


Here's a topic for discussion

Leaving criminal penalties out of the equation:  Is it immoral to break the law? 


What if you consider the law immoral (such as, for example, segregation)?  What if you consider integration immoral?  How much does individual conscience have to do with this?  Easy to say someone else's conscience is in error, but they are saying the same about yours.


Some people try to short their taxes because the money goes to fund a war they do not believe in (there's usually one going on) or to fund abortions, or medical research they abhor, and now to bail out failed businesses and individual mortgages.  I think everyone could find something that's funded by our tax money objectionable.  How much are we morally required to render unto Caesar?


It's illegal to overstay a parking meter.  Is it also immoral if you did it intentionally, simply because you've violated a law?  How about sliding through a red light at 3 a.m. on a deserted country road when you could not possibly injure anyone? 


If it's legal to raise rent past a tenant's ability to pay, is it also moral?  What if this makes them homeless?


you are also competely off topic,
I never 'flashed' my IQ, I just 'mentioned' it once.

I only reacted to 'infantile and small-brained' comments.

Spare yourself your moral lectures, if you want to preach, do it in church.
Can you manage to squeeze in one more topic? ....
.
Voting....I posted on that topic before...sm
A blue voter in a red state and vice versa, their vote does not count with the electoral college. That's why I support going to the popular vote.
I, for one, am glad this topic was brought up
You NEVER hear about this on the news. For most people, hearing about how much children are suffering would take the fire out of their battle cry real fast. I agree that a bullet shot by a 15 year old kills just as readily as one fired by an adult. But how do you blame a child for acting out in the only way it knows how? These kids do not know any other way. You cannot, however, go to these kids and tell them that the way they know is WRONG, you have to show the child there are other ways to do things and let THEM decide. Again, shoving ideals and religions down their throats will only make the situation worse.

It is unbelievably important that we leave these kids with the a better impression of America. They are the future of the Middle East and if there is ever going to be peace, those kids are the key.
Totally off topic...please read....sm
I don't know much about Suzanne Somers, but I have to admire someone who took her own health into her own hands when she was battling her breast cancer.

She has this new book out, and she talks about diet soda, the chemicals in it, killing off neurons in your brain.

Please be careful if you or anyone else drinks a lot of this. I stopped it years ago, although I won't give up my coffee...lol.....

I really think microwaves can't be good for you either, as they change the cells of your food, which in turn, change your blood cells for several hours after....

Anyhoo, here's a site on her new book, that discusses it briefly. Just FYI.


http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item33808/Breakthrough-Eight-Steps-To-Wellness.html





And I do apologize if I insulted you or anyone this morning. I really didn't intend to, although it was given right back to me as if I did....lol....some days...oy vey....

Anyway...please read if you want.....I'd love a cheeto, though, haven't had those in years.......and boy they were good, weren't they (messy too!)
Let's keep topic politics and keep religion out of it.
nm
P.S. I'm "done with da dish" when it comes to this topic.
Go find someone else to play with.
Did you have a comment on topic? If so, please make it.
HINT: I am not the topic.
Our public education system, somewhat off topic.

I  have heard so much about our education system and I'm sure some of it is true.  However, I would like to relay a recent experience I had......


Living in a small community that is loaded with history, I and a couple of other "older" ladies hosted the local 4th and 5th grades on a field trip regarding the history of a couple of landmarks.......anyone interested can visit my website http://www.ozarkmountainmemories.com and read about them. 


I was to do the historical presentation on the Cane Hill College Building.  My good friend was to do the presentation on the Old Mill.  Before I knew that there were 212 students plus teachers and parents, I opened my big mouth and said I would make cookies and Kool-Aid for the kid's field trip.  I ended up having a lot of help there!!!


Both my friend and I were very apprehensive about this field trip.  Well, I want to tell you that those were the best behaved kids I have seen in a long time.  This field trip was to prepare them to write an essay for the Arkansas Historical Society.  They were attentive and, asked very pertinent and intelligent questions.


One of the teachers called me yesterday and said that she was going to bring me some of the essays the kids had written.  She read one to me and it started out with "You may think the Cane Hill College is just a 2-story brick building...." and the student proceeded to write what  I would consider a very excellent essay.  I will post some of these on my website when I have them in hand.


I might also say that there were a good many parents present for the field trip.  I came away from that field trip with a whole different perspective on the local school, which is reputed to be one of the worst school districts in the state with the highest teen pregnancy rate.  I think if these 4th and 5th graders continue through high school with teachers such as I met and parents who are involved in their education, each and every one of them will be just A-okay.


How nice for you, but how does this apply to the political topic.....sm
Can you think outside of your own little special world? There are folk out here, like me, and so many others here, who are honestly trying to deal with U.S. economy, world economy, saving our country from financial disaster....wow, get your head out of your darling fortunate a$$, get off your hown head trip, stop trying to trump people, becaue you are not, and try to deal with the issues of others in this country.
Why strictly the topic of religion Mr. Trebek?
The knowledge, or lack thereof, that inspired the previous poster is related to an apparent unwillingness to determine the truth about Prez-O's upbringing. So you may be able to trump them in religion, but I'm thinking common sense and any question that requires a fact-based answer will go to the other poster.
Well let's get down to business, post a good topic for debate, please.
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On terrorist ties, since topic is popular for the moment
McCain link to private group in Iran-Contra case.

http://yorkdispatch.inyork.com/yd/sections/politics/ci_10655363
light-hearted politics topic: In your state, whose TV

This board has become quite ugly to come and visit.  Most folks know who they want to win and the arguments are becoming redundant.  So, on the lighter side, I'm wondering what's happening in other states.  Here in Michigan, McCain has pretty much stopped trying to advertise, and nearly all ads are Obama.  I think Michigan has been such a forgotten state, our own one-state recession has been going on for decades, and the majority of us are democrats.  Just wondering if other states are being overwhelmed with predominantly one candidate over the other...


Country first/Palin support of Alaska succession=topic.
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Thread topic is African-American Christian endorsing McCain.
rasberries
Huh? Let's stay on topic here. Bill Clinton and his intern have no relevance to this thread??nm
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Looks kind of pro-war to me.

Everything below is from their official, sanitized website, but for the real view of this group read their forum which includes lots of photos of firearms, many with children alongside them.


________________


"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."


-- John Stuart Mill


(From the Mission portion of the website):


War IS an ugly thing, but as long as nations and leaders exist that detest freedom, sometimes it is the only way to secure a lasting peace. Most leftist anti-war protesters and pundits don't understand this. They state that this use of force is always unnecessary -- that war, ANY war, is never good. Some of them, born into the luxury of American freedom, believe that liberty can exist passively, that somehow the world's natural state will always settle into utopian harmony. Others, in an attempt to absolve themselves from the unearned guilt they harbor living in a nation of prosperity and wealth, try to buy morality on the cheap by pronouncing themselves for the 'good'. To them, the derivation of the 'good' is based on a simple, yet peculiar standard: the powerful and competent are wicked, while the feeble and impotent are innocent - regardless of the context. That is why they defend Iraq instead of America, and the Palestinian "resistance" instead of Israel.


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kind of OT

Do any of you watch Survivor?  I love that show.  I think Im in pretty good shape but there is no way I could survive for a month on an island like they do but I like to watch and make believe that I could (smile).  Snakes and alligators and bugs..YIPES. 


Seems kind of sad

Don't know who you are referring to but I suppose all countries have residents who don't wish it well but I assume that statistically they would be a very tiny minority as really, why would they live in a place they wish to see destroyed?  Seems silly.


This country seems to be unable to educate itself about the nature of our foe.  We rely on leaders who seem to flaunt their ignorance about the middle eastern culture.  So perhaps you are right, there are those who wish us harm.....by utilizing repeatedly the same failed techniques/agendas that as you stated, continue to stoke the fires of hate that have been burning for a very very long time -- the agendas of ignorance and unwillingness to learn from history.  As long as this runaway ignorance prevails our soldiers will continue to die along with the Iraqi civilians and our world will become less safe.


 


It is kind of sad, really....
As virulent a Bush hater and advocate for pulling out of Iraq immediately that Murtha is, for him to say what he said, and the fact that you don't give it a bit of creedence is a pretty sad thing, piglet.  And you can bet if they had picked and chosen spots in Baghdad to show him, he would have been on the Senate floor saying so.  He sure hasn't been shy about castigating and condemning to this point.  You just absolutely are unwilling to accept ANYthing positive, even from a Bush-hating pull out of Iraq now Democrat.  WOW. 
SM is kind of right

There is a world of heartache ahead in the very near future.  In case you haven't been following the trend, there is one church that has been advising its members for over 100 years to stock pile food and supplies, be self-sufficient, and otherwise make nice with the world.  The holocaust is coming, but there isn't going to be some saving-grace rapture first.  The righteous people will collect into specific locations to survive while the unrighteous have a slug fest and kill each other off.  Its very real and it is likely going to be within this lifetime.


that is kind of a

creepy thought for you to be fixated on.  EEEWWW.


 


Kind of the same ol same ol
My understanding is if you used to be a Muslim and then change (or say you have changed for whatever reason) that is a big problem for them. I've known for a long time that OBL would put out threats and he has.

This goes to prove that he has more to worry about from the outside than within the US.
You are so so kind - thank you
Thank you for your post. I know what you mean about feeling stuck.

My dad. He lives in CT. He was working for Foxwoods Casino since the day it opened. When they were first talking about building the Casino back in 1986 (I think that was the year). He received a letter from the Indian tribe asking if he would like to be a poker dealer (they paid for training and meals). At that time he was unemployed and could not find work anywhere (he was in the Army during the Gulf War and when that ended the military "dumped" thousands and thousands of people and he found himself jobless, homeless, and hopeless. Then he received the letter and accepted and he was the third person to be hired to work at the Casino. While he worked there after he had an illness because he worked in an environment filled with cigarette smoke, so they transferred him to a department (marketing I believe) and he has worked there ever since. He loved his job sooooooo much. When I talked to him at Thanksgiving he said he was going to take a computer class (he said he doesn't even know what the on button looks like on a computer. HA HA.) He said he was learning the basics of email and stuff, but the last time I talked to my sis she said he tried checking his email from her computer but didn't know how to do it, so not sure how the computer class went.

I know he's working with some guy at the unemployment office, but my dad said he's going nuts not having a job to go to and spend the day at. He is checking the local stores (greeter, bagger, cashier or whatever they need). I'll check on the AARP program and send him some information. He's talking now about possibly having to sell his truck so he will have some money for food. I wish I could help him out more, but with one income we are barely making it ourselves, and my dad is a kind of proud person and not sure if he would accept any money from his kids.

He does tell me that we are at the bottom so it can only go up from here. Thank you very much for your suggestions and care.
Thank you for the kind words.

I agree with everything you said.


I think that lumping people together and making gross inaccurate generalizations does nothing but prevent any intelligent discourse from occurring, and that's very sad because these issues are very serious.  Our very ability to keep BREATHING may be in jeopardy, particularly if we don't start concentrating on our own safety. Bush  has made Iraq much less safe place to be, and he hasn't done much to make the United States a safe place to be.  If we truly NEED our military someday to protect US in a homeland attack, where will they all be?


What also worries me is that our enemies might consider this a bilateral "religious" war.  They already believe it is, yelling and effecting "Jihad."  But the current focus on one particular brand of Christianity in this country -- not religion in general, but one particular BRAND of Christianity -- makes me wonder if Bush himself doesn't think this is a religious war.  The fact that he might think so is what scares me the most, as history tell us they are the most deadly, bloody wars of all. I personally don't want the U.S. to be known as a "Christian" nation.  One of the things I love the most about this country is the freedom that we're SUPPOSED to have to worship freely, and I will personally oppose anyone who tries to take that away from us.    


It's sad that tolerance and respect aren't in more people's hearts and souls. 


Thanks, that's kind of what I thought...
dede
I responsed in kind. NM

wow the holidays must not be kind to you
yikes
Yup....Nancy is one of a kind...
let us sincerely HOPE.
Ok, kind of understand now
Thanks for the article. I understand it a little better, but boy, can they make the process any more confusing? Seems like there could be an easier way to do politics.
Kind and gracious?
Let's see....how many thousands of innocent people died in Iraq?  If that is your definition of kind and gracious, then you are disturbed.
Maybe the kind that has 3 kids

already and the 4th pregnancy could put her life in peril.  Does she allow her other children to go motherless? 


Maybe the kind who underwent extensive testing and was told that her child would be born limbless or so developmentally delayed that any kind of life would be miserable?


Maybe the kind who was raped and does not want to bear the child of a rapist, whether she would be able to put the child up for adoption or not.


A woman's body is her body.  No one should have the right to tell her what to do with it.  There are many reasons to have an abortion.  I personally feel that in the above cases, an abortion is a reasonable option.  I certainly wouldn't wish any of the scenarios above on anyone.  Outlawing abortion in general is wrong.  If you want to prevent it from being used as a form of birth control, then by all means put limitations on it, but don't outlaw it completely.  Sometimes it is the only choice.


Not pro-abortion but definitely pro-choice.  There is a difference.