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Let us hope that the light at the end of the tunnel

Posted By: Chele on 2008-09-27
In Reply to: I agree. Neither of them said anything... - indemt

isn't a freight train getting ready to run us over.  That is just how I feel about our economy and government right now.  I'm tired of the finger pointing.  I'm tired of republican versus democrat.  I'm tired of politicians and CEOs lining their pockets with money while the rest of us struggle to survive because of what they have done to our economy. 


After the debate my husband and I flipped back and forth between CNN and Fox.  All CNN talked about was how Barry won the debate and most people on Fox said McCain did.  LOL.  Personally, I think they both could have done better.  I think that time has come that we want more answers and we want specifics.  We are tired of being pacified just so these politicians can get elected and not do anything they promised us during their campaign. 




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The light at the end of the tunnel

"We hate you guys. Once you start issuing $1 trillion, 2 trillion …we know the dollar is going to depreciate, so we hate you guys but there is nothing much we can do."

So says Lueo Ping, China Regulatory Commission (02/11/09)


I will gladly eat crow if I'm wrong because our country needs help, but I still don't think it will work.  We have too many in Washington who are crooks and until we get our government to actually work FOR us instead of working for themselves......maybe we will get there.  Who knows.  Right now I don't like the road we are on.  I don't like spending so much money and borrowing from China or just printing money.  I don't like the idea of all these government programs providing welfare, etc.  This package isn't even going to help for a year or two, if it does at all, so regardless more people are going to lose jobs, homes, etc. 


I listened to Bush speak last night. No light at the end of this tunnel. nm
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Tunnel vision
don't think a little thing like a massive natural diaster will stop gt from her hate Bush vendetta.

BTW, to them Bush caused the hurricane anyway. Just more fuel for their fire.
Oh please, Rep - your tunnel vision is really getting tiresome.
It really seems YOU are the one so consumed with hate that you can't get past that schtick to really listen to what anyone else is saying. You see liberal, you think hate. It's a totally childish and lazy way to process information. When are you actually going to THINK about the issues and take some resposiblity for forming more three-dimensional and realistic opinions that are actually your own?

I mean truly,is that the best you Bush cheerleaders have got? Either you're posting under 10 names here or else you all sound like precanned recordings - you're so filled with hate! Blah blah blah! You're so hateful! Blah blah! What a crock. Do we ever have to wonder what interesting insights you might have? I guess! You can't get off the Limbaugh talking points long enough to actually express one.

Just eat it and get over it - Tillman was a huge fan of Chomsky, he was killed by not so friendly fire (there's a little HATE for you) and Rove's propagandists tried to make it all pretty and nice-smelling up to and including lying to the parents, but it's the same old tired smelly garbage they tried during Viet Nam. What, they think it'd work better now?

So if you have some defense to make of the Pentagon for that, why don't you just go ahead and DO IT if you can? Nobody's interested in hearing about your hate theories about liberals around here - big YAWN. What else DO you have?
Can you get anymore tunnel vision and one-sided?

You tried. Some of us do see the light.

A lot of us (family, neighbors, friends) could not believe how Obama spoke about the (SECRET MEETING).  Obama should not have discussed to anyone about the talk in the meeting.  As for Obama's so called aides he picked, should have fired them on the spot for a leak like that.  What if Obama was to talk with the President of Iran?  Look out.  Do not want to mention what I think of all this because I WILL GET BLASTED.  I guess some have to learn the hard way in life.  I see a lot of government me, me, me and LOOK AT ME approach.  Totally into one-self. 


You explained it completely clear and totally made sense.  Writing totally on the wall and so many others could not believe today's secret meeting.


Thanks, this does shed a different light.sm
I do admit, I have not been following this.
Here's another one that sheds even more light.

This also is pretty long and contains much of the same as the other link I provided, but this one also addresses how he should start a *small war* in order to be sucessful.  It also addresses how the George W. Bush camp tried to denigrate Mr. Herskowitz's character after he was pulled from the book (one of the classic trademarks of this administration), and that even after all that, former President George Herbert Walker Bush requested that Mr. Herskowitz write a book about his father, and he agreed.


 


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1028-01.htm


 















Published on Thursday, October 28, 2004 by GNN.tv

Two Years Before 9/11, Candidate Bush was Already Talking Privately About Attacking Iraq, According to His Former Ghost Writer

by Russ Baker
 

HOUSTON -- Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999, said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade·.if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency. Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. Suddenly, he's at 91 percent in the polls, and he'd barely crawled out of the bunker.

That President Bush and his advisers had Iraq on their minds long before weapons inspectors had finished their work - and long before alleged Iraqi ties with terrorists became a central rationale for war - has been raised elsewhere, including in a book based on recollections of former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill. However, Herskowitz was in a unique position to hear Bush's unguarded and unfiltered views on Iraq, war and other matters - well before he became president.

In 1999, Herskowitz struck a deal with the campaign of George W. Bush about a ghost-written autobiography, which was ultimately titled A Charge to Keep : My Journey to the White House, and he and Bush signed a contract in which the two would split the proceeds. The publisher was William Morrow. Herskowitz was given unimpeded access to Bush, and the two met approximately 20 times so Bush could share his thoughts. Herskowitz began working on the book in May, 1999, and says that within two months he had completed and submitted some 10 chapters, with a remaining 4-6 chapters still on his computer. Herskowitz was replaced as Bush's ghostwriter after Bush's handlers concluded that the candidate's views and life experiences were not being cast in a sufficiently positive light.

According to Herskowitz, who has authored more than 30 books, many of them jointly written autobiographies of famous Americans in politics, sports and media (including that of Reagan adviser Michael Deaver), Bush and his advisers were sold on the idea that it was difficult for a president to accomplish an electoral agenda without the record-high approval numbers that accompany successful if modest wars.

The revelations on Bush's attitude toward Iraq emerged recently during two taped interviews of Herskowitz, which included a discussion of a variety of matters, including his continued closeness with the Bush family, indicated by his subsequent selection to pen an authorized biography of Bush's grandfather, written and published last year with the assistance and blessing of the Bush family.

Herskowitz also revealed the following:



  • In 2003, Bush's father indicated to him that he disagreed with his son's invasion of Iraq.

  • Bush admitted that he failed to fulfill his Vietnam-era domestic National Guard service obligation, but claimed that he had been excused.

  • Bush revealed that after he left his Texas National Guard unit in 1972 under murky circumstances, he never piloted a plane again. That casts doubt on the carefully-choreographed moment of Bush emerging in pilot's garb from a jet on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln in 2003 to celebrate Mission Accomplished in Iraq. The image, instantly telegraphed around the globe, and subsequent hazy White House statements about his capacity in the cockpit, created the impression that a heroic Bush had played a role in landing the craft.

  • Bush described his own business ventures as floundering before campaign officials insisted on recasting them in a positive light.

Throughout the interviews for this article and in subsequent conversations, Herskowitz indicated he was conflicted over revealing information provided by a family with which he has longtime connections, and by how his candor could comport with the undefined operating principles of the as-told-to genre. Well after the interviews-in which he expressed consternation that Bush's true views, experience and basic essence had eluded the American people -Herskowitz communicated growing concern about the consequences for himself of the publication of his remarks, and said that he had been under the impression he would not be quoted by name. However, when conversations began, it was made clear to him that the material was intended for publication and attribution. A tape recorder was present and visible at all times.

Several people who know Herskowitz well addressed his character and the veracity of his recollections. I don't know anybody that's ever said a bad word about Mickey, said Barry Silverman, a well-known Houston executive and civic figure who worked with him on another book project. An informal survey of Texas journalists turned up uniform confidence that Herskowitz's account as contained in this article could be considered accurate.

One noted Texas journalist who spoke with Herskowitz about the book in 1999 recalls how the author mentioned to him at the time that Bush had revealed things the campaign found embarrassing and did not want in print. He requested anonymity because of the political climate in the state. I can't go near this, he said.

According to Herskowitz, George W. Bush's beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House - ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade.

Bush's circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches.

Republicans, Herskowitz said, felt that Jimmy Carter's political downfall could be attributed largely to his failure to wage a war. He noted that President Reagan and President Bush's father himself had (besides the narrowly-focused Gulf War I) successfully waged limited wars against tiny opponents - Grenada and Panama - and gained politically. But there were successful small wars, and then there were quagmires, and apparently George H.W. Bush and his son did not see eye to eye.

I know [Bush senior] would not admit this now, but he was opposed to it. I asked him if he had talked to W about invading Iraq. He said, 'No I haven't, and I won't, but Brent [Scowcroft] has.' Brent would not have talked to him without the old man's okaying it. Scowcroft, national security adviser in the elder Bush's administration, penned a highly publicized warning to George W. Bush about the perils of an invasion.

Herskowitz's revelations are not the sole indicator of Bush's pre-election thinking on Iraq. In December 1999, some six months after his talks with Herskowitz, Bush surprised veteran political chroniclers, including the Boston Globe 's David Nyhan, with his blunt pronouncements about Saddam at a six-way New Hampshire primary event that got little notice: It was a gaffe-free evening for the rookie front-runner, till he was asked about Saddam's weapons stash, wrote Nyhan. 'I'd take 'em out,' [Bush] grinned cavalierly, 'take out the weapons of mass destruction·I'm surprised he's still there, said Bush of the despot who remains in power after losing the Gulf War to Bush Jr.'s father·It remains to be seen if that offhand declaration of war was just Texas talk, a sort of locker room braggadocio, or whether it was Bush's first big clinker.

The notion that President Bush held unrealistic or naïve views about the consequences of war was further advanced recently by a Bush supporter, the evangelist Pat Robertson, who revealed that Bush had told him the Iraq invasion would yield no casualties. In addition, in recent days, high-ranking US military officials have complained that the White House did not provide them with adequate resources for the task at hand.

Herskowitz considers himself a friend of the Bush family, and has been a guest at the family vacation home in Kennebunkport. In the late 1960s, Herskowitz, a longtime Houston Chronicle sports columnist designated President Bush's father, then-Congressman George HW Bush, to replace him as a guest columnist, and the two have remained close since then. (Herskowitz was suspended briefly in April without pay for reusing material from one of his own columns, about legendary UCLA basketball coach John Wooden.)

In 1999, when Herskowitz turned in his chapters for Charge to Keep, Bush's staff expressed displeasure -often over Herskowitz's use of language provided by Bush himself. In a chapter on the oil business, Herskowitz included Bush's own words to describe the Texan's unprofitable business ventures, writing: the companies were floundering. I got a call from one of the campaign lawyers, he was kind of angry, and he said, 'You've got some wrong information.' I didn't bother to say, 'Well you know where it came from.' [The lawyer] said, 'We do not consider that the governor struggled or floundered in the oil business. We consider him a successful oilman who started up at least two new businesses.'

In the end, campaign officials decided not to go with Herskowitz's account, and, moreover, demanded everything back. The lawyer called me and said, 'Delete it. Shred it. Just do it.'

They took it and [communications director] Karen [Hughes] rewrote it, he said. A campaign official arrived at his home at seven a.m. on a Monday morning and took his notes and computer files. However, Herskowitz, who is known for his memory of anecdotes from his long history in journalism and book publishing, says he is confident about his recollections.

According to Herskowitz, Bush was reluctant to discuss his time in the Texas Air National Guard - and inconsistent when he did so. Bush, he said, provided conflicting explanations of how he came to bypass a waiting list and obtain a coveted Guard slot as a domestic alternative to being sent to Vietnam. Herskowitz also said that Bush told him that after transferring from his Texas Guard unit two-thirds through his six-year military obligation to work on an Alabama political campaign, he did not attend any Alabama National Guard drills at all, because he was excused. This directly contradicts his public statements that he participated in obligatory training with the Alabama National Guard. Bush's claim to have fulfilled his military duty has been subject to intense scrutiny; he has insisted in the past that he did show up for monthly drills in Alabama - though commanding officers say they never saw him, and no Guardsmen have come forward to accept substantial rewards for anyone who can claim to have seen Bush on base.

Herskowitz said he asked Bush if he ever flew a plane again after leaving the Texas Air National Guard in 1972 - which was two years prior to his contractual obligation to fly jets was due to expire. He said Bush told him he never flew any plane - military or civilian - again. That would contradict published accounts in which Bush talks about his days in 1973 working with inner-city children, when he claimed to have taken some of the children up in a plane.

In 2002, three years after he had been pulled off the George W. Bush biography, Herskowitz was asked by Bush's father to write a book about the current president's grandfather, Prescott Bush, after getting a message that the senior Bush wanted to see him. Former President Bush just handed it to me. We were sitting there one day, and I was visiting him there in his office·He said, 'I wish somebody would do a book about my dad.'

He said to me, 'I know this has been a disappointing time for you, but it's amazing how many times something good will come out of it.' I passed it on to my agent, he jumped all over it. I asked [Bush senior], 'Would you support it and would you give me access to the rest of family?' He said yes.

That book, Duty, Honor, Country: The Life and Legacy of Prescott Bush , was published in 2003 by Routledge. If anything, the book has been criticized for its over-reliance on the Bush family's perspective and rosy interpretation of events. Herskowitz himself is considered the ultimate as-told-to author, lending credibility to his account of what George W. Bush told him. Herskowitz's other books run the gamut of public figures, and include the memoirs of Reagan aide Deaver, former Texas Governor and Nixon Treasury Secretary John Connally, newsman Dan Rather, astronaut Walter Cunningham, and baseball greats Mickey Mantle and Nolan Ryan.

After Herskowitz was pulled from the Bush book project, the biographer learned that a scenario was being prepared to explain his departure. I got a phone call from someone in the Bush campaign, confidentially, saying 'Watch your back.'

Reporters covering Bush say that when they inquired as to why Herskowitz was no longer on the project, Hughes intimated that Herskowitz had personal habits that interfered with his writing - a claim Herskowitz said is unfounded. Later, the campaign put out the word that Herskowitz had been removed for missing a deadline. Hughes subsequently finished the book herself - it received largely critical reviews for its self-serving qualities and lack of spontaneity or introspection.

So, said Herskowitz, the best material was left on the cutting room floor, including Bush's true feelings.

He told me that as a leader, you can never admit to a mistake, Herskowitz said. That was one of the keys to being a leader.

Research support for this article was provided by the Investigative Fund of The Nation Institute .

Russ Baker is an award-winning independent journalist who has been published in The New York Times ,The Nation ,Washington Post ,The Telegraph (UK), Sydney Morning-Herald , and Der Spiegel , among many others.

© Copyright 2004 gnn.tv


Why thank you....Ms sweetness and light....
Well, obviously your faith makes cursing a personal choice too. Try reading the post next time and do not, please, put words into my mouth. I was not comparing Hitler to a Jew. What a ridiculous statement. I was not comparing Hitler to abortion, even a more ridiculous statement. I was talking about moral relativity, and that the people in Germany during the rise of Hitler were probably defending his stand on Jews, just like you are defending abortion, because when people are led to believe that any life, at any stage, means nothing, or in your case state it does not even exist, it is a breeding ground for people like Hitler. I meant that people in Germany were probably rationalizing the killing of Jews like you are rationalizing the killing of babies, therefore making it easier to accept what Hitler was doing. You twist words and when you don't get your way you result to base name calling. Calm down, get a grip and a cup of coffee. I am not your enemy.
i am making light of the

attempts to discredit Barack by calling him a celebrity.  You will see the same issue repeated over and over on this board, only by those who seriously consider that a valid issues.


 


Perhaps because the book has only now come to light....
I didn't know about the book until now. The point being...it is known about now, she knew it then, she should not have taken the job. What if they had chosen Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter? Would that be okay with you? Geez.
Glad you see the light.......
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Thanks for shedding that light sm
I had not considered what it would do to the lower income people. I had only considered that a straight-across-the board system would work better than our tiered/progressive/whatever you want to call it works now. I do like the flat-rate system, much more equitable.
I think the light will come back on again.

Obama is a very wise man. He has come up with an excellent plan to get distressed homeowners back on their feet. He is going to take away their vehicles. 


 


Anybody got a light? 


So shines a light in a dim world. sm
Loved the scene from Armageddon.  Great time to tie it in. Thanks!
Valles and these parents see the light....nm
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Glad you can make light.
Put your political silliness aside and think of someone other than yourself, and yes, they can use body armor.  If you want to send them some, please do.  Let me tell you one thing, you don't intimidate me at all.  You can laugh and act like a fool all you want, but the truth is, you care about your political perversions and not a bit about the troops or you would be doing something to make their lives easier.  Like I said, I never ever met a soldier who didn't want a package from home.  Never.
I think you already have someone to light candles and pray to...
ahem.
Mrs. Bridger, you need to chill and light
yourself up another fattie.
I kinda like the puff, light, etc.

Saves some money and if I put them down, they go out instead of burning away. I had my first carton of 'em last week. Took 7 days for that carton. Sunday I started my second carton. I'm almost through that one today because it's not a "puff and light."


Some day....


Ggive me a break...now that the story has seen the light of day maybe.
What was wrong with the GOVERNOR wardrobe. Why did it need the RNC boost into the ELITE label league of NM and Saks? What part of HYPOCRISY do you not get? It's not so much about the money (though that aspect of it is an eye-opener), but rather the conflicting image/message of NM, Saks and Joe the Plumber.
Saved by the test. Undecided has seen the light.
with sense of clarity and purpose. What a relief. Lord, what a glorious day.
Thanks for the article, puts O in a good light really.
Told me how he is trying to rein in the lobbyists and get spending under better control and not things as usual in DC. I am Obama girl, thanks for posting!
If you mean John Edwards....the affair and a child that has just come to light. nm
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Does shed some light on how things work in Alaska. sm
It is interesting that she is against more taxes on the oil companies overall but has a 75% tax on oil profits in Alaska.
light-hearted politics topic: In your state, whose TV

This board has become quite ugly to come and visit.  Most folks know who they want to win and the arguments are becoming redundant.  So, on the lighter side, I'm wondering what's happening in other states.  Here in Michigan, McCain has pretty much stopped trying to advertise, and nearly all ads are Obama.  I think Michigan has been such a forgotten state, our own one-state recession has been going on for decades, and the majority of us are democrats.  Just wondering if other states are being overwhelmed with predominantly one candidate over the other...


Well...if it puts Obama in a good light, it is probably owned by George Soros. nm
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Good for Joe! I hope so. And I hope he sues...
the governor of the state of Ohio from now to next week. He should. They BIG time violated his civil rights. If this situation was reversed and he was a Dem who had asked McCain a question and a state had had him investigated, the ACLU would be all over this like ugly on an ape. Liberals only care about other liberals...they could care LESS what happens to conservatives. But yeah, they are all about civil liberties. Geez. Pull the other leg awhile.
I sure hope not...I hope he has extra, extra protection sm
I think regardless of which candidate wins they will need extra security this time.
have to say hope you are so right!
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I hope so, too.
Can only hope and pray.
sure hope this comes out.

Certainly something nice for kids to see a president do, flash the birdie. 


 



It would be my hope---

That a concerted effort would have ALWAYS been made to keep bashing down on BOTH sides by the moderator.


I noticed that the posts below one of my recent entries were all deleted.  It makes me feel bad that the time and effort put into those posts were lost.  I guess that's the chance we take on a privately-moderated forum and I should have been prepared for that.


I really really hope that you..

or anyone in your family never become disabled in any way, that no one in your family will marry or adopt a minority member, that mental illness or mental deficiency never crosses your doorstep, that someone in your family converts to another faith, that you never lose your job, your savings, your house, your car or anything else you hold dear. I hope you never lose your family and/or friends and have to go it alone. I hope you are never put into a situation where you are frightened and have not a clue what to do. I hope you never lose health or home or car insurance or are rejected for a claim you might make and have to pay yourself and find that you can't. I hope you and your family never make a mistake, especially one that is made public in any way. I do not think those of you who are always pounding the **victim** **entitlement** drum would have absolutely no idea how to deal with what great numbers of Americans deal with every day. The real arrogance is that you believe you have arrived at this superior status on your own.  Most of us were born with a leg up; a lot of us were not.  Those with the leg up got a big free jump ahead 300 spaces. We were born into the families we were, in the country we were and Creator, not us, is responsible for that. 


As far as the people in Lebanon, they flew in to the Beirut airport of their own accord. Since the airport was blown up, other measures needed to be explored. What would you have done??


Let us hope you are also the last.
This is the liberal board and you are to refrain from personal attacks.  I am sure you will now make endless excuses about the nasty comments made regarding Raven/Lurker's ideology (as well as anyone else foolish enough to post on a LIBERAL board daring to espouse a LIBERAL philosophy), and the Liberal board will once again because a far right-wing poster child for short-sighted philosophy of war and dumbfoundingly ignorant accusations against all Democrats/liberals/or-anyone-with-half-a-brain-who-has-a-conscience.  I await this result, ad nauseum.
I hope you are right - I truly am.
You are correct. I cannot stand either of them. It literally makes me ill to watch them. Don't ask me why because I just can't put my finger on it, but when she or Bill is speaking I find my stomach gets nauseous - and I voted for him the first time he ran. I was for him for about his first 2 years in office, then I started learning more and more about he and Hillary and what their plans were. Guess I was blinded by the lies and when it all started coming out I realized the person he was as president and the person who ran for president were two different people. I think its just basically because they are such manipulating liars and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone believes anything they say. I have not yet found anything they say to be credible. You know when everyone talks about Richard Nixon they'll say what a bad person he was he was impeached and once he left office nobody paid attention to him. If they mentioned his name all I kept hearing was "impeached, impeached", but when you hear Bill's followers will never say "he was impeached". You know I really didn't have a hard time with them at all until after I started reading about their history and all the illegal things they've done throughout their careers to get where they are (and they got away with it). I told my DH, so-n-so went to jail for that, what is keeping these two out, especially when there is proof of what they've done. They'll come out and say such-n-such a person does this or that (eluding to something imoral), when in fact they have done the same exact thing. But then again all politicians do it. It also made me nauseous when we tried explaining to my MIL things he was doing (illegal things) and her only come back was "but he's so cute". That's all she had for an answer to everything. "Hey mom, do you realize he lied to America? and do you realize this was illegal?" - "Yes, but he's so good looking and it was only a little lie". Ignorance like that is just what really irritates me to the core.

I know I have to calm down. I was real calm when I turned off the TV and stopped seeing those two faces, but then I go and turn on the news and they are still in it - so off the TV will go again.

I do understand they are an influential part of politics - why for the life of me I don't know. He's an impeached ex president. Nothing more. He didn't do anything to improve the lives of Americans - he put us deeper in debt. Taxes were the highest when he was in office than anyone can remember. Okay, in all fairness I do give Hillary credit for being the first female to get as far as she has running for present, but that's about all the credit I give her. If her values are to teach young girls that they can lie, cheat and steal to get whatever they want, along with crying when you don't get your own way, telling people you are staying in because an assassination could happen in June and you need to be there to pick up the pieces? (Those were her words no matter what way anyone wants to spin it). Oh my!!! Well that's not a characteristic I would ever want any of my children to daughters to have. Not only through her campaign, but also things she has done and said in her political career and as first lady also factor into why I think she is just a horrible person. At the convention I do see her as an important person (maybe in my last post I didn't think so, but I do think it is important for her to be there), but the impeached ex-president should not. He disgraced the office and the trust that millions (well I don't know if it was millions but it was a lot) had in him. He used his position as president to keep having his affairs, and other stuff he did. I can't even imagine what Monica was thinking when the guy that she was in love with and was sleeping with (even though he was married) when he was asked why he had an affair he said "because I could". Not because I love her, or even because I care about her. No "because I could". The respect he shows towards women is Zero. Everyone will talk about John Edwards, how awful he had an affair. Or John McCain, how awful what he called his wife and what he did to his wife, but people are excusing what Bill Clinton did. Why? Oh I forgot "because he's so good looking". He may do a lot for races (people of color), but I think its all a sham. I don't know about Fox news cos I don't listen to them (got tired of one viewpoint all the time), but just listen to the comments he makes "Barack's only winning because he's black". "Barack won such-n-such an area because that's where Jesse Jackson won", etc, etc. The comments go on and on. His statements he makes in public to me show me that he is a racist and that's why I said he can hide behind his walls but he will always be a racist in my opinion. And giving people of color jobs that didn't even pay enough that they could support themselves and still had to get food stamps, while taking away good paying jobs from other people to ship them over seas (NAFTA), well that also lessened my respect for him and what he was doing to America and American's. He never cared about me or other people in America and the people who were getting the big tax breaks were the 1% of the wealthiest (those same people they claim Bush gives the tax breaks to). My family, my friends, and my families friends were all losing their jobs and houses while he was president. So I guess that's another reason why I can't stand him.

I do think that Hillary might be able to help bring the party together but I really don't believe Bill would. People like to see him speak - sure he is a mesmerizing person (although when I see him the hair on the back of my neck stands up and there is just something creepy and evil about him). I really do not think we should be having someone who disgraced the office of president and was impeached speak at the convention. Go if he wants to of course, but he should not be allowed to speak. Did the republicans have Richard Nixon speak? No because he was impeached and disgraced the office.

I just think those two are the sleeziest couple in politics. Although I do have to say there are a bunch more who are equally as sleezy, but they do stand out at the top.

So those are my lowly opinions. I'm sorry I feel that way, I wish I felt better about them but I just don't.
I truly hope that I never have to

depend on someone else's hard earned money to support myself and my family.  Even if I had to, I would work hard to get back on my own two feet as soon as I could.  I truly do hope things get better because things are truly scary right now.  My husband runs a car dealership and he makes the money in our family.  However, car sales are down so low right now that I don't even want to think about the money he will be losing come bonus check time. 


I just feel like these government programs keep the little guy down.  I thought the whole idea was assist people so they can better their situation and then become self-supporting.  Instead...we have more and more people living off of the government with no plan or intent of trying to better their situation.  They just want that monthly check. 


I just think that taking more money from the hard workers and giving it away doesn't show much incentive to work hard in life.  Why bother.  The more you make, the more they take while people who don't work at all live off of your hard-earned money that is taken away from you. 


Stop enabling people to mooch off of the government.  The numbers will only rise and get worse. 


I hope so
I hope the crap hits the fan and he never steps foot in office.....
did he really do that, oh I hope so...
too bad there could not be an obama/mccain ticket, but not that mccain from the past few months...
I should hope that SP
would remain only an embarrassment to Alaskans rather than becoming embarrassment to the United States of American as I am sure she would/will.
I hope you don't think s/m

that they're just going to accept the SC's decision?  My money will go to bet that now they will start with the "supreme court didn't hear the case; therefore, they did not rule" so the madness will just continue.  Or maybe they'll bring out that old ancient hippy.....who knows but I'll bet these most likely PAID political nut jobs aren't just going to roll over and play dead.


Hope you're feeling better Marmann.


Hope so.
Can't wait until Wednesday, Nov. 5, to find out.
I hope you get what you want
and you're happy with what you get.
All we can hope for
is that God will work in the heart of WHOMEVER gets elected, democrat or republican. I have faith that God will do the right thing. Of course, as many Christians know, often what we HOPE the right thing is and what God KNOWS the right thing is are two different things.

But like I've said before, this nation has pushed God out of here so much, I wonder if maybe he is finally giving us what we asked for. Us as Christians sat idly by and let it happen, and those who don't want Him here may finally get what they want. I just hope that through our prayers and repentance we may see a change.

I just want you all to know that whether we agree or not on politics and whatever else, I pray for any of you who don't know Christ that you get to know Him and the love He gives, and that those of you who are my sisters (and brothers!) in Christ will have strength and courage in these troubling times.

And with that I'm off to bed! Good night!


Oh yes you are. I just hope there are no
young people around you whom have had to relive this with you year in and year out. I know those that have and they never feel encouraged to strive to be all they can be. Instead, they grow up to feel someone owes them something and they feel just as angry and bitter, even though they have never had to live the horrible situation you did. They're basically raised to use that hatred and bitterness as an excuse not to take advantage of a good education and make as much of themselves as possible.
I hope everyone
has a good night.  It's been fun!
We can hope..........sm
LOL. Besides, I didn't want anyone jumping on you for something you did not say. In the OP defense, it is hard to follow a thread when most posters are not using a consistent moniker. I'm guilty of the same thing at times, but not on this board. I am m, I will always be m. :o)
One can only hope that all will.
xx
I hope he does
Whatever happened to separation of church and state?  I am an athiest, so when you say the bishop and other religious leaders say abortion is a sin, that sounds to me like you are just once again pushing religion.  I have a serious problem with others assuming abortion should even be an issue in an election, much less a government decision on any level.
Hope
I hope that if he is elected that he doesnt let everyone who voted for him down.  I am afraid that there is such a big chance that those that support him now are in for a big surprise and not in a good way.  I really hope that I am wrong
I should hope
you aren't too lazy to research for yourself.  If you take everything you get from this board as truth then no wonder we're in trouble.  I have researched EVERYTHING about both these candidates ON MY OWN until I'm exhausted.  I remember what I need to remember but I don't keep a running list of links to prove what I only intended to prove to myself.  So maybe you could try google.  You can enter a question about ANYTHING and it will bring you up plenty of references.  Hope this helps.