Lets put this nonsense to bed. Pres candidates born outside US
Posted By: McC being one. OT is correct...sm on 2008-10-19
In Reply to: Did you brain even process what I just said?...sm - oldtimer
Here's the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
Here's the text. See. Isn't this EASY?
US presidential candidates born outside the US
"The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside the country's borders, and whether they have the same rights."[2] Though every president and vice president to date (as of 2008) has either been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, or else born in a U.S. state or Washington D.C.,[3] a number of presidential candidates have been born elsewhere.[4]
Barry Goldwater, who ran as the Republican party nominee in 1964, was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory. Although Arizona was not a state, it was a fully organized and incorporated territory of the United States.[5]
George Romney, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. Romney was 32 years old when he arrived in Michigan.
Lowell Weicker, the former Connecticut Senator, Representative, and Governor, entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980 but dropped out before voting in the primaries began. He was born in Paris, France and acquired his citizenship at birth through his parents. His father was an executive for E. R. Squibb & Sons and his mother was the Indian-born daughter of a British general.[6]
John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[7] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[8] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[9]
The mere fact of Constitutional ineligibility has not deterred some minor parties from nominating candidates for President who could not possibly serve in the office. For example, although some states have blocked ballot access for such candidates, the Socialist Workers Party nonetheless successfully placed its candidate, Róger Calero, on the ballot in Mississippi in 2004. [10]
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really wanna barf - guess who steps up as pres. if something awful happens to the pres and vp??? nm
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It doesn't matter WHERE he was born. He was born to an American citizen so he is sm
a native American.
Obama was born in US, his FATHER was born in Kenya, check it out and sm
Do you really think the campaign would have gotten this far if he was born in Kenya? Did Hannity tell you that? LOL!!!!
natural born does not mean you have to be born physically in the US -
My daughter was born in Germany, but because I am an American she is an American. She has no problems and is considered natural born - that just means you did not have to go through the hoops to become an American citizen.
That's nonsense.
The post is obviously intact and there is no indication whatsoever that ANON advocated any kind of lawlessness. Many people are questioning the wisdom of giving shoot-to-kill orders knowing full well that many of the people of NO have no choice BUT to find food and liquid any way they can as a matter of desperation rather than criminality.
I believe the soldiers and policemen on the ground there as a whole have the sense to know who's behaving like a criminal and who is not, and I do think they should have the authority to both protect themselves and stop the really bad guys.
Too bad some people DON'T have the sense it takes to know who is intending harm and who is not.
such nonsense
While I don't think this represents the views of most conservatives (I truly believe that most Americans, whether Republican or Democrat, want what is best for this country, just have different ways of approaching it), it is still disturbing that there are people out there who think this way. You could also include people in this category who believe that the Holocaust didn't really happen, men really haven't been to the moon, Jews blew up the WTC, and other conspiracy theory/ridiculous nonsense that is hard to believe that anyone could take seriously. They're lucky there is no intelligence test required to vote.
What nonsense. (nm)
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what nonsense
Let;s discs something relevant -- like McCain's handling of foreign affairs with an explosive temper and short fuse and its impact on national safety.
What's this nonsense?...nm
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Ever since all the mad cow nonsense...
I have not been a fan. I think that it should have been criminal what she (with no real evidence) did to the cattle industry.
You know, I actually think that all of that nonsense
was constructive. Look at how much more respectful we are all being to each other.
:O)
This is nonsense
My parents never investigated relatives of guys I dated. Sometimes they didn't even meet the guy I was dating, and when they did they would know where he lived, but not who his parents or siblings were.
I lived in a small town of about 5000 people. Not everyone knew everyone. We knew most but not everyone. So you live in Wasilla and know for a fact that everyone knows everyone?
Oh please on what Gov. Palin knows and doesn't know. Talk about buying into the hate-filled bashing of Gov. Palin and repeating the false statements that she didn't know this or that.
Good luck to ya.
Nonsense.
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That is absolute nonsense.
Obama is the one making promises he cannot keep. Obama is the one connected to people and organizations like Rasheed Khalidi, Bill Ayers, Rev Wright, Rev Flager, Farrakhan, ACORN, Rezko. You people are so consumed by this promise of change that you can't see what is right in front of you.....a man who is lying and telling you what you want to hear just to get elected into the White House.
I will give Obama credit where credit is due. Obama is an excellent speech giver with a teleprompter. He is great when no one is there to question him. When he can just spout out his usual rhetoric without actually answering any questions....Obama is top notch. I think Obama's infomercial was a smart move. He did a great job so I've heard. It saddens me that people are going to take the word of any candidate without doing fact checking. Obama is a liar. He is telling us what we want to hear and is misleading us.
If you want change, you will get it with him but it won't be the change he promised. False hope, broken promises....that is the real Barrack Obama.
My thoughts exactly. Nonsense. How can he?
But he says 95% of american workers, not american workers who PAY TAXES. He has never said that, his website doesn't say that. You are classified as a worker if you work a week a year. Some people draw wages so low they don't pay federal income taxes after deductions. A LOT of people, in fact, 30 to 40% of all workers. The top 4-5%, the richest folks, pay the lion's share of ALL taxes now, well over 60% of ALL taxes. And he wants to hit them harder. But I digress.
95% of workers..his words. 30-40% of american workers DO NOT pay federal income tax now. So HOW is he going to give a tax break or cut to them? Either he is lying about the 95%, or he is going to cut checks. Please, someone, anyone, of the Obama faithful, explain to me how he is going to do that.
If he means 95% of people who PAY taxes, he completely MISSES his target group!!!
Obama and his nonsense sm
i have purposely stayed out of the debate for/against Obama but after this latest blunder, I gotta speak my peace.
This guy is only interested in himself and not this country. He is only interested in pushing his agenda and his so-called winning personality. He has made this country a "laughing stock." He needs to keep his rear-end in Washington and not trying to be a comic on the Leno show and wherever else he intends to "appear." The only thing he is good at is spending money he does not have and slick talking! It feels like we do not even have any leadership in Washington now with him in the white house. This country is in a mess..........the biggest mess it has ever been in. God help us all!
I'm sorry but that is utter nonsense!
This is America people. If you don't like our National Anthem or our flag being flown.......go back to whatever country you came from. For someone to say that the American flag is offensive......that just shocks me. We have lost our freedom to fly our own country's flag for fear of offending others. What has our country come to. This is America....that is our flag.....and it was a national holiday to remember veterans and she couldn't put an American flag out. I truly don't buy that there were other people who were offended by it either. What a crock.
I think I would go out and buy a small flag and put it on my desk and keep it there everyday. Screw that!
Please don't talk nonsense about God.
...or else you have to explain a lot of other things like Hitler and the Holocaust. I hate it when people attribute the evil deeds and bad decisions of mankind to God.
youre babbling nonsense - does
not make any sense. Move on dot arrgh.
I agee with you - what Obama says is nonsense
Finally you see him for what he is - nonsense.
birth certificate nonsense
Personally, I like the way factcheck.org handled this: They went and looked at the birth certificate. Then they went and looked at the birth announcement in the newspaper from 1961. Now, admittedly, it's possible that Obama's disciples FLEW BACK IN TIME to plant the birth announcement so that their Chosen One could ascend to power. I think we do have to consider that option carefully, because it leads us to ask--what if NEXT they GO BACK IN TIME TO CREATE AN OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT-ELECT FOR *EVERY* ELECTION EVER HELD IN THE US????
Your 2nd paragraph is complete and utter nonsense. sm
You wrote: 'Besides, a lot of atheists who try to disprove that God ever existed will usually come to the conclusion that there is too much evidence to prove that He does exist. It usually scares the you know what out of them and they become converts.'
And you know this how? I would say show me the evidence to back up this ridiculous claim, but I already know you have none. It's your opinion/religious propaganda, and it's blantantly false. You also have it backwards. You're implying people start out being athiest, then convert to religion. It's the other way around, when religious or secular people start questioning all the improbable/impossible things the bible is overflowing with, in addition to all of its inconsistenties and outright contradictions.
Forgive me if I doubt that you're an expert on athiests, and forgive me if I doubt your critical thinking skills, because religion frowns upon that - you're not supposed to question god or think for yourself, just obey his commands, or should I say, various human interpretations of his commands...
If there was indeed
'too much evidence to prove that He does exist' then everyone would believe in him. How could anyone deny it? They couldn't. But that's just it, there is no evidence to prove it, whereas there actually IS scientific evidence to the contrary, that you apparently are unaware of or haven't investigated.
Instead, you're willing to believe something based only on 'faith.' In every other area of your life where you'd want or even *demand* facts, proof, or concrete evidence before believing something so important, with religion (some) people are all too willing to blindly accept it on faith.
BTW, an athiest doesn't have to DISprove god (you can't prove a negative, anyway), you have to prove that he *does* exist, and you can't. And wouldn't you think if he really existed, he would prove it to the entire world's satisfaction anyway and put an end to the debate and all the relious wars, conflict, genocide, misery, suffering, etc? He'd rather we kill each over it? I think not. It makes no sense.
You also wrote: 'You can say all you want, but you just can't argue with a completely changed life'
Yes, I can argue it. You changed your life because *you* wanted to change it. You! Not some mystical, magical, invisible being in the sky who cares about your every thought and action. People change their lives for the better every day, without religion. IMO, if you hadn't found religion, you would've kept looking until you found something else that worked for you, and it probably would've been a lot healthier than the brainwashing, closed-minded, divisive phenomenon that is religion.
Keep up the good work? You are hilarious, such nonsense!...nm
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utter nonsense - where in the world did you come up with this line
Been watching a little too much Dr. Phil I guess.
This is utter nonsense and if so then we better keep an eye on you with everything you've been saying.
don't want either for pres.
Can we have her for pres instead of VP? LOL
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Schwarzenneger for pres
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First Pres younger than me
and though I love him (am definitely a kool aid drinker, I admit) he looks like he's in junior high and it will be sad to see him age. Maybe it won't be too bad. He seems to like stress.
Who was Pres on 09/11/2001?
Why would anyone give him credit for PROTECTING us?
Have they done that with previous pres?
If they have done this with previous presidents, I really couldn't care less. Anyone know the answer to this?
Pres just had a press conference..
listened very discernibly, heard nothing different from his other press conferences... Feel like I'm watching "Groundhog Day" starring Bill Murray, only Bill Murray is much more funny and quite a bit smarter! When will get some real leadership? We desparately need LEADERSHIP!!!
A little insight on Pres. Bush
I work in a very high profile media department, and part of my job is transcription of raw interviews. I have transcribed several transcripts of raw interview footage with Pres. Bush, and he is the most respectful, gracious, down-to-earth person behind the scenes you can imagine. It's not that fakey type of schmooze either. You can tell he's genuine. When there is a break in the interview process he's asking the crew about their families etc. He has a very kind heart.
Now, with that said I don't agree one hundred percent with all his policies. Some of the the things he has been for I have been totally against...amnesty for illegals is one of them.
I do not have one problem with people disagreeing with his policies but to personally say he's a bad person, compare him with Hitler and other evil people is not only beyond the pale it's just plain not true. I have also transcribed interviews of several members of the Bush family, and they are all warm loving people.
I could mention some people who are not gracious, but I'm not here to smear anyone's character on the basis of my professional knowledge, but I do feel I need to defend a person who is so unjustly character assassinated on a daily basis.
President Bush has very unfairly been painted to be evil by the media and the extreme left in this country. Again, nobody is forced to like him, but to say he's a bad evil person is just not right or factual, and I, for one will defend him on his character.
Discussion from Gab Board re Pres.
"First... I don't claim him. I think he's a tyrant to put it nicely and I think he is a warmonging hillbilly (and that's sad for the hillbillies because they are decent folk he gives a bad name). I told everyone not to vote for him last time... I tried to warn them. I didn't want him and he hasn't done anything to help me our my friends and family in the slightest, except make us look ridiculous on the international stage (which I can say because I live in Europe at the moment and I know how foolish they think us right now). Second, good for you. Maybe you should vote for McCain so that the pain (errr I mean pleasure) never ends. I bet the people that he's been against and not fought for (i.e., Katrina victims, Iowa flood victims, homosexuals, people with diseases that stem cell reasearch could help, innocent people in far off lands that lost family members and friends who were innocent victims) I bet they all share your same sentiments.. right? You can have him.. I bet right about now he's half price on the discount rack anyways! Third... you should be grateful she put "creatrue." Its probably how Bush spells and says it, so its a true representation. Fourth... I think the last time I checked it was a free country with free speech and allowed for people to have their own opinions. I have better names to call him than childish ones... but I won't use them since your so easily offended... are you his personal emotional filter? I doubt he cares what the American people call him... he's certainly proven he doesn't care what they think or how they feel... so why should we care about him? Thanks back atcha. I can have whatever opinion I want of the president and I can tell you, I am more the majority than you are."
Moving over here per Mod request.......
Of course you can have your opinion about President Bush. I was just saying that the names are uncalled for. Are you staying in Europe forever or are you planning on coming back to the U.S.? Just curious.
President Bush isn't perfect and there have been many mistakes, I do agree. I did vote for him and agree with the vast majority of his conservative views. I do plan on voting for John McCain in November. But, if Obama is our next president, as much as I disagree with his views, I wouldn't call him names; but that's just me I guess.
I do not envy anyone who is willing to take on the gigantic role of running the country. I would not want the job in a million years. I have respect for ANYONE, republican or democrat, who is ready and willing to take on this great responsibility.
I still would like to know what a creatrue is and President Bush is NOT retarded.
You mean "proud of your pres-elect" (nm)
Just watched him with Pres Bush and
Obama in the White House, definitely no droop, no change at all in his appearance.
has anyone changed Pres choice in
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for new pres foremost, to keep us safe.
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Name a pres that kept all his campaign promises?
I don't expect him to keep all his promises. In actuality, he really can't. None of the other presidents in my memory have been able to either. That is an unrealistic expectation. They say what they need to say to get elected.
too bad i'm not the pres - i'm control freakish enough 4 it
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Oh, pul-EEEZE. Any pres., Pub or Dem, deserves a
night out on the town once in a while. And of COURSE it cost $20,000! It's not like they can just hop on public transit with no Secret Service, and cruise on down to the local burger shop.
His memory is no more 'selective' than the current Pres..
and his cronies...
I like your line of thinking. LOL. You should run for pres. You'd have my vote. nm
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When GW Bush became pres, I did give him a chance even though
amazin
Transcript: Democratic response to Pres. Bush's
Good morning. This is Congressman Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the House Majority Leader.
Over the past several months, Democrats and Republicans in Congress have negotiated a bipartisan extension of the highly successful childrens health insurance program known as CHIP - a program enacted by a Republican-controlled Congress in 1997, with strong Democratic support, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
CHIP provides health insurance coverage for over six and one-half million American children in families that earn too much to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to afford private insurance.
However, millions of other children who are currently eligible for this health insurance are not enrolled due to the programs limited resources.
To address this, our bipartisan legislation provides funding for approximately four million more children - ensuring that at least 10 million low-income children in our nation receive the health care coverage they need and deserve. Thats good for them and for our country.
This legislation does not change current eligibility guidelines. It simply strengthens CHIPs financing, covers more low-income children, and improves the quality of care they receive.
Sadly, on Wednesday, President Bush - in the face of bipartisan majorities in Congress, and contrary to the will of the American people - vetoed our bipartisan bill.
The President claims - wrongly - that this bill is fiscally irresponsible.
The truth is, this legislation is fully paid for. It does not add one nickel to the deficit or to the debt.
Furthermore, under the Presidents proposal more than 800,000 children who now receive coverage under CHIP would lose that coverage.
The President claims that this legislation would lead to a government takeover of health insurance. He is wrong.
The truth is, Americas largest private insurance lobbying group supports this bill - as do Americas doctors, nurses, childrens advocates, 43 governors, and, most importantly, 72 percent of Americans.
The claims made against this bill are simply wrong.
As Senator Pat Roberts, a senior Republican from Kansas, recently said: I am not for excessive spending and strongly oppose the federalization of health care. And if the Administrations concerns with this bill were accurate, I would support a veto. But, Senator Roberts added: Bluntly put, they are not.
Most puzzling of all, perhaps, is the fact that the Presidents veto violates his own campaign promise.
In 2004, at the Republican National Convention, the President promised (and I quote): In a new term, we will lead an aggressive effort to enroll millions of children who are eligible but not signed up for government health insurance programs. We will not allow, he said, a lack of attention, or information, to stand between these children and the health care they need.
But he has done just that.
But the Congress has done exactly what the President said he was going to do, if re-elected.
Yet today, the only thing standing between millions of American children and the health insurance they need and deserve is one person. The President is saying no to these children he promised to help.
This is a defining moment for this Congress.
In the words of Senator Charles Grassley, a Republican of Iowa, weve got to do what we can to try to override the Presidents veto.
In the days ahead, we will work to persuade many of our Republican colleagues, who insist on standing with the President, to instead join the bipartisan majorities in Congress - and Americas children - in overriding this veto.
I urge all of you: Contact your Member of Congress.
Ask them to support our children.
Ask them to do what the President promised to do when he sought re-election.
Ask them to vote to override the Presidents veto and ensure health care for our kids and for their future.
Thank you for listening. This is House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer.
My husband and I were discussing is that the upside of Obama as pres it that we will probably
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Isn't it wonderful to have a pres WHO DIDN'T STEAL THE ELECTION? AND WHO sm
won by such a large margin???? Poor Gore had to sit through Bush's inauguration knowing he had 500,000 more votes. This is WONDERFUL!
candidates
I think they will both be true in the future to who they are now (as well as they can be with having to work with Congress to get things done), but "what you see" depends on where you're looking and who's doing the talking.
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Why not let felons vote? No different than providing amnesty to millions of illegals to get their vote, which is going to happen whether we like it or not.
Obama certainly talks the talk. I have a couple of problems with him. One his pastor. He might also consider running as an AMERICAN, not an African-American. It matters not that he happens to be a black AMERICAN. Let's be done with racism on BOTH sides. Sometimes I think the only way we, who happen to be Caucasian, can ever satisfy the African-American community is to become slaves for a few hundred years. Let it go already. There is not one person alive today who ever was a slave or ever owned a slave. Let's move on.
McCain.........while I honor his service to this country, if I hear about his POW years one more time I think I'll vomit. I saw him on a talk show where he was asked about how many houses he owns and he immediately launched into his "years as a POW where he didn't even have a table much less a house".
God save this country, neither candidate is going to help Him.
Yes...too bad the candidates don't
talk to real Americans, not the CEOs, the Hollywood elite (why anyone take any political advice from a so-called movie star is beyond me) when cameras aren't around. Most candidates perceive us as being sheeple, say some pretty things and we will follow, no matter how high the cliff is you're brining us over. I don't care how many houses you own, what faith your father was, if you had an affair or if you wear a flag pin. Get to some frickin' issues when you debate each other, don't give us the run around and jab each other. Neither one of you are stellar candidates. You both have faults, you both have good points, but for cripe's sake, talk about something that matters to us!
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instead of obama or mccain, any other candidates you may vote for?
http://www.votesmart.org/election_president.php
First thing is a Biography of Pres. Bush, then Welcome to Michael Moore...nm
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