Moores facts/figures from US info

This same old argument was brought up on Oprah when Moore, a lobbyiest for insurance companies and a professor who is for universal healthcare for all were on her show.  In fact, they even invited CEOs/representatives from the top insurance companies but none would even talk to Lisa Ling.  Moore stated, once again, that his figures/facts come directly from the US figures/facts and the facts used to argue against him come from insurance company facts.  He stated to go to his web site and the information would be there.

I sit back and laugh..if a republican had thought up universal healthcare or was a pioneer on global warming, the right wing would be behind it 100% but since these are essentially positions hardworking thinking caring democrats back, the radical right wing is going to fight these issues no matter what.

I dont care if you call it socialized medicine, which is a knee jerk response..just what is socialized medicine?  What the Congress has?  Then give it to me.  I most certainly would rather have a universal healthplan, backed by our government, than no insurance at all.  To me it is a no brainer.  I would rather have a little bit of medical care and medicines than no medical care and no medicines.

• Coulter/Franken/Moore - reveille
  • I cannot say about Franken....and whether he loves the country or not... - Observer
    • he holds current - reveille
      • Michael Moore a patriot? sm - Observer
        • yes. Patriot. nm - reveille
        • I agree with you on this - see inside - misty
          • Moores facts/figures from US info - liberal democrat
            • In time this "documentary" will probably go the same trail the first one did... - Observer
          • It was the same with Fahrenheit 911.... - Observer

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So that means you have chosen to disrespect the moderator’s rules and come here (now suddenly on purpose) when you choose to, but you still post things such as:  “Well, really, you ain’t supposed to be here and don’t tell me you’re a moderate conservative cause I ain’t buying it. <<<<<Liberal board's that way...if you can stay awake more than five minutes there” when a liberal visits your board?  Figures.  Fits perfectly in line with the rules only applying to some and not others.

I can’t believe you wrote *I understand that some of the terrorists may have worked or dealt with the UAE, but they did not carry out any attacks through them* and act as if that’s okay.  The Kool-Aid must be especially tasty today.

Do I advocate racial profiling?  I advocate historical profiling.  Historically, they were tight with bin Laden before, and there is nothing to suggest they don’t have the capacity to be tight with him again. 

In short, the REAL kind of profiling I would endorse is limiting this kind of deal countries who has NEVER had ties to terror in the past.

You may consider the below too long to read.  I’ve bolded and underlined the important points in case you give up after the first 3 words.  I truly feel that Dubya is selling out every American’s safety for money, and I don’t understand how you, as an American, can support or trust this.  Of course, you do obviousy still trust and support Bush, so that explains a lot.

Considered an ally now, UAE backed bin Laden

By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
February 23, 2006

The United Arab Emirates has become what the Bush administration calls a reliable partner in the war against Islamic terrorists, but its rulers maintained close ties to Osama bin Laden before September 11, and the cities of Abu Dhabi and Dubai have since served as operations and financial bases for al Qaeda terrorists.
    But the United Arab Emirates, the most Western of Persian Gulf nations, also has become the United States' closest military ally in the region. Its ruling emirs permit Navy warships to dock in the bustling commercial center of Dubai on lengthy liberty calls. It also hosts U.S. Air Force warplanes, refueling jets and spy planes at the sprawling Al Dhafra air base near Abu Dhabi. The base sits across the gulf from U.S. adversary Iran.
    During the Clinton administration, the United States even considered killing bin Laden when he was on a hunting expedition but did not because one of his hunting partners was one of the United Arab Emirates' emirs.
    They have been helpful and supportive and a good partner in the fight against terrorism, said a U.S. counterterrorism official.
    It is these two faces of the Arab nation -- a one-time sympathizer of al Qaeda, yet strong post-September 11 U.S. partner -- that Washington is considering in the debate over the Bush administration's proposal to let United Arab Emirates company Dubai Ports World run six large U.S. seaports.
    The U.S. September 11 commission's report is replete with accounts of some of the 19 hijackers -- two of whom came from the United Arab Emirates -- using Dubai's permissive banking system and lax passport certification to gain entry into the United States and bankroll a mission that killed more than 3,000 people.
    During bin Laden's stay in Afghanistan -- where he built terror training camps, a personal army and a financial network -- some of the United Arab Emirates' upper crust, known as emirs, visited him. The United Arab Emirates was one of only a handful of countries that recognized the harsh Taliban regime, bin Laden's protector.
    In 1999, bin Laden spent time in the Afghan desert south of Kandahar near the Sheik Ali hunting camp. It was regularly used by visitors from the United Arab Emirates, according to the September 11 commission report. U.S. intelligence detected an official United Arab Emirates government airplane there on at least one occasion.
    According to reporting from the tribals, bin Laden regularly went from his adjacent camp to the larger camp where he visited the Emiratis, according to the report.
    In fact, the presence of the United Arab Emirates rulers at the camp gave the Clinton administration second thoughts about ordering an air strike to kill bin Laden, more than two years before the attack on the United States.
    According to CIA and defense officials, policy-makers were concerned about the danger that a strike would kill an Emirati prince or other senior officials who might be with bin Laden or close by, the commission said. The Clinton administration was so concerned about the emirates' cozy ties to bin Laden that one official called a United Arab Emirates political leader to complain.
    Weeks later, the camp was dismantled, and bin Laden disappeared. The implication was clear: Someone in the United Arab Emirates tipped off bin Laden, the United States' most-wanted fugitive, who then was planning the September 11 attacks.

  The United Arab Emirates was becoming both a valued counterterrorism ally of the United States and a persistent counterterrorism problem the commission wrote. It said President Clinton personally pressed United Arab Emirates leaders to break financial and travel ties with the Taliban, but they refused.
    Hamdan bin Zayid, United Arab Emirates foreign minister, told a U.S. diplomat that his country maintains relations with the Taliban to counterbalance Iranian dangers.
    Those dangers are one reason that the United Arab Emirates stands as the United States' best military ally in the Gulf, opening key parts of its country for U.S. operations.
    Its Mina Jebel Ali port, the largest man-made harbor in the world, hosts more U.S. warships than any other rest stop outside the United States. CIA and FBI agents collect intelligence there on militant Islam. The United Arab Emirates has cooperated with the U.S. Treasury Department in shutting down bank accounts linked to al Qaeda.
    The United Arab Emirates is a country that's been an ally in the global war on terror, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said on the Michael Reagan radio show this week. We have a port there where they help us. They have an airfield. We share intelligence, and we have a partnership that has been very, very helpful to the things we do in that part of the world.

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

14 reasons why we need to get control of illegal immigration:

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for welfare social services by the American taxpayers.

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries.

12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.”

Well I guess he saw how well it worked with the HC supporters (most giving their opinion that we need a woman in there, we are voting cos its time for a woman, etc, etc and some only voting for her only because she's a woman).  Guess he's so concerned with losing he'll stoop to anything.  Talk about calling the kettle black.  He proclaims Obama doesn't have the experience and he's young and new, and then he picks her?  She's not ready to step in as President, she doesn't have any experience whatsoever.  He's going to have a hard time explaining that one. 

Again it goes to show McCain is not in touch with the American people.  He picks a woman thinking that what all the women want, but luckily the women who supported Hillary are coming out saying we supported Hillary because of her position and viewpoints, not just because she was a women.  I just believe he has just lost any chance to win.     

She has no international experience, been governer less than 2 years and has no experience at anything.  Guess he's making it perfectly clear he wants a running mate who will never question him.  His ego is taking over and its going to sink him.  He'll need the Swift Boat Veterans to fish him out of the water.  Never mind her radical christian viewpoints.  Everything he's been attacking Obama for being, he has just picked a running mate who is all that.  How could he have gotten it so wrong?  Any chance I had of electing him flew out the window with that pick. 

Brother...he would have been better to choose Hillary as a running mate.  Hello President Obama.

presidents because they supposedly represent we, the people. It's not just O that is being scrutinized. Past presidents were too, along with movie stars, sports figures, you name it. If you have a big name, are in the public eye, you will have your life spread all over the media.

You brandish the name of your saviour like it was a badge of honor. 

Did it ever occur to you that some people don't believe in your religion/saviour?  Perhaps it never occurred to you that there are OTHER RELIGIONS out there in this world that other people believe in.  Your salvation might be another person's idea of mythology. 

It's kind of sad that your religious philosophy is to shove your crap down everyone else's throat. 

Bush is a nutcase.  This country is going down the tubes.  And, after reading the blurb above about how he said God told him to clean up the mess in Iraq and God told him to declare war on the mideast, I fear that this country is really in deep doo-doo.  I shudder to think what the next three years will be like under this administration.  A president has to please ALL THE PEOPLE, not just one segment of the population. 

As far as the supreme court and the abortion issue, well let's put it like this.  If abortion becomes a crime AGAIN - women will be like third world citizens - AGAIN.  Abortion will not stop, it will go back to the alleys, backrooms and other dirty places where it used to be done and women will DIE.  And to use a worn-out phase - If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. 

Said I wouldn't be back because of all the bickering and fighting going on, but I came here today to let you know about the following information.  I think everyone will find it interesting.

WGAL-TV reporter Matt Belanger will be looking at the ads of both candidates in the coming weeks and break them down so we can be INFORMED voters. Here are his first investigations. He will be doing this every week until election day. It may help some people on this board make up their minds without going to the trash sites for garbage news. Enjoy and PLEASE STOP FIGHTING!!!!

If the links don’t work, go to www.wgal.com and in the search box at the top left, put in “Video 8: On Your Side.”

http://www.wgal.com/video/17508920/index.html

http://www.wgal.com/video/17491060/index.html

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/08/did_il_abortion.html

August 22, 2008
Did IL abortion law protect babies aborted alive?

Sean Hannity has done a fabulous job covering the Barack Obama/Born Alive scandal.

For the past 2 nights his liberal counterpart, Alan Colmes, has proposed rationale far and away from Obama's original reason for opposing the IL Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which he stated on the IL State Senate floor in 2001, at the genesis of this debate:

I just want to suggest ... that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny....

I mean, it - it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.

Colmes has maintained, quoting from last night's show, "there was already a law in place that said that in the unlikely case that an abortion would be - cause a live birth, a doctor should provide immediate medical care for any child born alive."

Here are Hannity and Colmes segments from August 20 and August 21, debating Obama's opposition to Born Alive:

Was there a law in place? As National Review Online's Ramesh Ponnuru explained in a column August 20...