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Not true and not worth commenting on.

Posted By: sm on 2008-11-09
In Reply to: Okay, here's a thought for you - Backwards typist

Please do some research before you post things that are not true. Just do a Google search and you will find the truth.

Another fishy story from someone who took the Republican bait hook, line, and sinker!


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And here I thought we were commenting on
the word "aspire."
And you know I couldn't resist commenting...;)
All I really have to say about it is that the last paragraph applies also to the millions of babies aborted every year in this country. Every single one of those lives...what did the world lose? What did this country lose? What did that family lose?

And as to pro war and pro life...tell ya what, piglet. I have thought about your abortion stance, and that of many other liberals/Democrats here, and I am going to adopt it where war is concerned. I am not pro war. I am pro choice..the choice of a country or an individual to defend themselves.

Have a good evening! :)
Relax - was only commenting on what I heard
We all have our opinions and all of our opinions are important to each and every one of us. What one person agrees/disagrees with certainly not everyone will. That is why I like this board. I can post a message about something I feel strongly about and get other readers feedback. Sometimes the comments can be "heated" and other times people agree and others nicely disagree. Each candidate gets "smeared" by the others, no one is perfect. But this is a great board and nice to hear other people's opinions. Also, if I happen to paste something I read from an article I will cite where I received the info from. Otherwise they are my thoughts.
She was just commenting on how inance your own post was.

She was just commenting on how inane your own post was.

I never heard Hill commenting on SP breasts

Must have been on O'Reilly show.  Was there a large screen behind him showing various closeup videos of both Hillary's and SP's chests to illustrate the point?


 


take it for what it's worth.....
What exactly do you think the ACLU is going to do?
For what its worth....
Ann Coulter is an entertainer. The left has them too...Michael Moore...Al Franken...and every time she says something outrageous the left runs backwards, gives her a lot of press, and she rakes in the dough. So she keeps saying things, the left keeps running backwards, and she makes more money. Just like Michael Moore, just like AL Franken. I used to hear things on Air America that make Ann Coulter look like little Orphan Annie. But I never heard the left condemn them either. Probably because I have seen some of the left post here things like *a waste of air* talking about another human being, and then in the same breath have another liberal post all the wonderful things liberals are supposed to be like *live and let live.* In other words...some snipes at Republicans who dare to post here near about as hateful as Ann Coulter.

All that being said...she is an entertainer. If the left would stop reacting like she was the devil incarnate every time she opened her mouth, she would go away, just Air America did. If conservatives had run screaming in the streets every time Air America said something controversial, they never would have folded. It is consumer driven, DW...and frankly, right now, the left is driving Ann Coulter more than the right is.
so how much am I worth?
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Something worth
The "waterboarding" methods used by the Japanese differed significantly from those used by our intelligence operatives. The Japanese often pushed a tube into the prisoner's mouth so that the water would distend the stomach, causing real pain (which our version does not) and ultimately rupturing the stomach. They also had no physicians in attendance to see to the prisoner's safety, as we always did.

So, the fact that the two techniques happen to go by the same name does not make them moral equivalents either in their methods or the way they were conducted.

To paraphrase the dairy industry: Got facts?
What isn't worth fighting for...
Probably a lot of things are worth fighting for...like liberty, to protect our country, to protect our values and ideals.

Unfortunately though it's been a long time since any wars were really fought for those things. They tell us that's what it's all about and we try to buy it, but if we happen to look at the facts closely, we just find out a lot of wealthy people get richer and they use the blood of other people's children to do it. They make up enemies and pour on the propaganda to rile us up so we'll think it's noble to go and die, and make them rich. That's how it seems to me anyway, and history certainly tends to back up that conclusion.

I think the last time we were fighting for worthwhile things was when we wore animal skins and carried wooden spears.
Not even worth a reply -

Truly, someone like this is not worth the energy.
There is no logical thought behind their posts.  Calling me a racist is a silly immature infantile leftist ploy.  We know that.  I learned a long time ago to ignore posters such as this. 
hmmmmmmm - not worth it
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Maybe you are not worth the time
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So maybe your net worth went up cuz you're
It's also not a viable option for most people.
Worth a Looksie

 


http://news.newsmax.com/?ZKI6Y1SaRsveVj2cAdYJtBQ1z3rkxJU1Z


Like my teacher used to say, if you have nothing worth
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Ya think they'll let her keep the $150,000 worth of
and accessories if the numbers don't take 'em over the top on Nov 4th?
and why was that worth reading?
I got nothing from that except that it is one more person who does not like Obama.

There was nothing in there that was not just one person's personal viewpoint - an obvious McCain supporter.
say something worth reading

You are BORING with your same rants day after day.  Especially when they were already discussed on last nights news.  I'm not wasting my time.  Have fun, I guess? 


Old news but worth remembering
Lets Not Forget: Bush Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' Before Becoming President




15 September 2002: A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'

The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.

This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.

The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.

The PNAC report also:

l refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';

l describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';

l reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;

l says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';

l spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';

l calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;

l hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';

l and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.

Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.

'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'


©2002 smg sunday newspapers ltd


Many Say War Not Worth It; Cheney: 'So?'
Did you see Cheney on the ABC News tonight? You should have seen his smirky grin when he told her "so." He doesn't care what the country thinks about the war.

"On the security front, I think there's a general consensus that we've made major progress, that the surge has worked. That's been a major success," Cheney told ABC News' Martha Raddatz.

When asked about how that jibes with recent polls that show about two-thirds of Americans say the fight in Iraq is not worth it, Cheney replied, "So?"

"You don't care what the American people think?" Raddatz asked the vice president.

Yeah - that would be worth watching.

It is worth mentioning that the author
of this article is a a conservative Republican and contributing Editor of Red State, a conservative blog. Since we are always hearing after this or that article about that paper or station being liberal, I think it should be be noted that this is clearly republican and biased on that account.
Anyone who takes Fox tabloid seriously is not worth it and
Fox is a one sided propaganda hateful tabloid. It's quite clear to the intelligent people of this world. Think about it for a minute. Sheesh. They lie. lie lie lie and Hannity is the worst one.
Looks like it was a point worth missing.
you decide to let us in on what that elusive point might be.
Dollars you have in your pocket won't be worth anything.....
As value decreases now, world is found on shaky ground, too, so my thought is that they are probably going to come up with a currency that will be used by all countries involved (from research I've done) and the dollars you have in your bank account, savings account (?) and pocket won't be worth a red minted cent!
Not even worth the time - see message
To respond to someone who knows nothing about how the stock market works.

Your just another liberal trying to cut down people that don't believe the way you do and somehow elevate yourself to the elite crowd. No thanks.

DH has made a career working in the stock market, researching, writing articles and providing companies with information on stocks, futures, etc. etc.

Loopey is all the glossy-eye O worshippers who wouldn't know the truth if it hit em in the face. They close their eyes and follow the voice of Farrahkan and others and don't question anything.


Government Spending: Is It Worth $62,000 to You?.....sm


Government Spending: Is It Worth $62,000 to You?

By John R. Lott, Jr.
Author, “Freedomnomics”/Senior Research Scientist, University of Maryland

The stimulus bill had to be passed quickly. President Obama warned that not passing it would result in disaster. He warned that any delay was “inexcusable.” The 1,071 page stimulus bill had to be voted on quickly — so quickly this last week that the House and the Senate couldn’t even provide politicians the 48 hours they were supposed to have to read it.

The legislation was not put up on the Web until 11 PM on February 12 and the House passed it just 12 hours later. The Senate started voting on it only hours after that. Politician after politician admitted or complained that it was physically impossible to read the bill. As it was, the copies available on the Web for voters had all sorts of hand markings on it that sometimes made it difficult to figure out exactly what the bill proposed.

Just to let this sink in — the amount of money that the government is committing to spend this year is equivalent to the average taxpayer just writing the government a check today for $62,200.

Despite all this pressure, Obama seems rather laid back after the bill was passed — he doesn’t plan the signing ceremony until Tuesday. As the New York Post noted, after passage, Obama “promptly took off for a three-day holiday getaway.” Possibly, Obama’s vacation was well deserved, but why couldn’t Congress have held debate and voted over the weekend or on Monday to allow extra time to read the bill?

It was not just the House and Senate rules that were set aside to get this vote through quickly. Promises were broken also. During the presidential campaign, Obama promised voters at least 5 days to study legislation. Obama’s presidential campaign Web site claimed that any earmark should have a written justification as well as “72 hours before they can be approved by the full Senate.” Of course, the whole spending bill is at odds with Obama’s promise to cut “net” government spending.

But the Democrats had help ramming this through. Three Republican Senators — Arlen Specter, Olympia Snow, and Susan Collins — could have voted for more time for debate. It was only with all three of their votes that the Democrats were able to reach the exact 60 votes they needed Friday to pass the bill. If any one of these three senators had asked for more time to read the bill and allow others to analyze it, they would have gotten it.

Not only did the final “stimulus” bill have major changes from what had been voted on previously by the House and Senate, but the amount of money involved is staggering. With 90 million tax filers who actually pay taxes, the $787 billion means the average taxpayer will pay over $8,700.

By itself, adding $8,700 to the average tax bill should get everyone’s attention. But that is on top of everything else that we are spending this year. With the stimulus bill, the $700 billion financial bailout (half spent by Bush and half by Obama), and the bailout for the auto companies, this year’s deficit is already at about$1.7 trillion — almost $19,000 per taxpayer. With more possible bailouts for the auto industry and others, that total might rise further.

But the stimulus won’t just raise government expenditures for the next two years. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that from 2010 to 2019 government expenditures for just 20 provisions will increase by almost $2.4 trillion. Assuming a 4.5 percent interest rate, that is the equivalent of about $1.9 trillion today. Adding that to the previous total brings the total to about $40,000 owed per taxpayer.

But that is not all the money that taxpayers are going to be on the hook for. Last week, the Obama administration promised another $2 trillion for the financial bailout. The decisions that we are making just this year are adding up to $5.6 trillion — $62,200 per taxpayer. Just to let this sink in — the amount of money that the government is committing to spend this year is equivalent to the average taxpayer just writing the government a check today for $62,200.

Each one of these expenditures are getting pushed through quickly, but it is all adding up. People have to weigh this against benefits such as the $400 per person tax credit that those who make less than $75,000 per year are going to get under the stimulus.

And that is not the end of the costs that we will face this year. From even more health care reforms to environmental regulation and global warming to even more money for autos and other companies, the bills are going to get bigger. Some costs will temporarily be hidden through borrowing, but others will mean higher immediate taxes and higher product prices.

But the average taxpayer faces a simple question: are they getting $62,200 worth of benefits from all these government expenditures this year? If so, they are going to be poorer. My guess is that most of us are going to be a lot poorer.


John R. Lott, Jr. is the author of “Freedomnomics” and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland.

Funny! The only one with a positive net worth is the bum. :) nm
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It is long, but worth the watch....
those who are curious should look online for members of the Bilderberg group. What is so amazingly funny about it is that the left used to call it a secret shadowy group and that Cheney and Bush and some other of the right were members and they were the biggg baddd (sorry big bad, no slam on you, seriously) and now that Obama is in and has filled the government with members of the group, well hey...maybe they aren't so bad afterall. Good grief!! Amazing.
She's not worth a debate IMHO...BTDT..nm

One snippet of a sermon does not mean a whole 20 years worth
What I heard was awful, but that does not mean the church was like that for 20 years. I saw an interview with a lady who went to the same church and she said a lot of times the church spoke of love. It was not always hatred. By my next statement you are going to think I'm an "Obama lover" but really I am not. He's no where by means perfect, but I actually do believe he was not in service that day and did not hear that particular service. I believe if that church was spewing hatred Sunday after Sunday after Sunday for 20 years there would be more of the sermons on video tape, but there is only one service. And even at that it's not the whole service, it's one segment of the service. I also find it a little odd that this incident (sermon) happened after he started running for office. I also find it a little odd that one of Hillary's supporters was involved with Jeremiah Wright (involved meaning scheduling his tours, meetings, etc). Don't you think that this could have been a plant by her campaign to have this guy go in (who is actually supporting her), say a bunch of hateful statements, and oh by the way just happened to be videotaped that day, and only that portion of the sermon. Now wouldn't you think that Hillary's campaign would use that against Obama. Kind of have to think about that one. Also think it's quite odd that when it didn't backfire more than what Hillary & Bill thought it would, they started going on an all out rampage against him. I believe Rev. Wright was planted and it backfired on them. What I would have liked to hear was from other church members talking about what their church was about for the past 20 years, not just one segment of one sermon.
Don't listen to him - he's so unimportant not worth my time
I used to listen to Rush all the time....every single day. Loved him when I was for the pubs, hated him when I was for the dems. I don't listen to him anymore whether I agree with some of his viewpoints or not because he is biased. He doesn't listen to reason and he spews that he is speaking truth. He treats all democrats with very little respect (which I think a lot of them deserve more than what he dishes out). Rush has never been for a person (candidate), always just the party. Even when he tries to pay someone a compliment he comes out looking like an uneducated imbicile and pig. I've learned over time that he and Sean Hannity fall into the same category - completely nauseating. So I don't listen to them and I'm completely happy.
I'm glad the article was viewed for what its worth
After I posted I was prepared to get flamed. I used to support Obama until I started reading and learning more about his polices. I could care less about the "Wright" thing or what his wife said. I want to know hard facts. What does he want to lead our country, what are his plans for the economy "back to life". His "tax" plan. What I'm hearing is that everytime he talks he's saying something different, and I'm beginning to not trust that. I also just read that he is now saying he doesn't plan to bring our troops home right away. He'll keep them there another 5 years. So, my trust in him is going downhill very fast. Also I think we all know that both candidates are "run" by others higher than them (bankers, lawyers, the richest of the richest, etc). Each group has their own agenda. Something that is disturbing to me (and I'd have to do a lot of research to find this article again), but I read an article that said the same people who are "running" Obama are the same people who are running Bush. When you do a search on the people who are funding Obama's campaign they are the same people who back Bush and what he does.

I'm glad the article I posted was met with people who appreciate the information and not flame me for posting something that doesn't praise Obama.
A picture is worth a thousand words! (nm)
:)
NCAAP, NYTimes, NBC, etc. (worth watching)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-rrdbHo0s
Not inherently worth of respect at all....my issue still is that (sm)
with Wright a select group is chosen to be hated. Most people I know, and I am a Christian, do not follow the teachings of these radical evangelists. However, while they may be noxious and extreme, they are still not race-specific. Add to that the fact that while these ministers/evangelists may "endorse" McCain, he still did ot sit in their church pews for 20 years listening to them spout hatred.
Is General Motors Worth Saving?

Then came October. Sales plummeted an astounding 45% over the same period last year, a result of a slowing economy and a dearth of financing for would-be car buyers. Total U.S. car and light-truck sales this year could come in at 13.5 million, 2.6 million fewer than last year. "That's in nobody's business plan," says Kimberly Rodriguez, an automotive specialist with Grant Thornton. "The best planning in the world cannot survive that fluctuation." It's now clear that GM can't survive as an ongoing entity without massive federal assistance. The company is burning through more than $2 billion each month. It has $16 billion left. As if they were aboard a dirigible losing altitude, GM's bosses have been frantically throwing all manner of stuff overboard — retiree health-care benefits, people, assets, new car design — to conserve $5 billion. That will get it through the year. (See pictures of the 50 worst cars of all time.)


But 2009 is the year of reckoning for GM and the rest of the domestic auto industry, if not the economy as a whole. The GM crisis is raising once again the issue of how far the government should go in rescuing banks, insurance companies, mortgage holders, credit-card issuers and now carmakers. GM has no doubts about it. "Immediate federal funding is essential in order for the U.S. automotive industry to weather this downturn," GM president Fritz Henderson admitted to investors during a conference call in which GM announced a third-quarter loss of $2.5 billion.


No one is more aware of that need than Barack Obama, who carried Michigan by a huge margin. The President-elect is committed to helping the Detroit Three, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is leading a rescue party that plans to get a bailout bill in front of President Bush before Thanksgiving. So far, the President has offered only to speed through Congress an already approved $25 billion loan to help Detroit create new fuel-efficient models. But GM needs an additional $10 billion simply to pay its bills next year and $15 billion more to close plants, compensate redundant workers and dump some of its lesser-performing brands.


The issue boils down to a historic proposition: Is what's good for GM still good for the country?


"If GM were to go into a free-fall bankruptcy and didn't pay its trade debts, then the entire domestic auto industry shuts down," says Rodriguez. The system — the domestic auto plants and their interconnected group of suppliers — is far bigger than GM. It includes 54 North American manufacturing plants and at least 4,000 so-called Tier 1 suppliers — firms that feed parts and subassemblies directly to those plants. That includes mom-and-pop outfits but also a dozen or so large companies such as Lear, Johnson Controls and GM's former captive Delphi. Beyond those are thousands of the suppliers' suppliers.


Although the Detroit Three directly employed about 240,000 people last year, according to the industry-allied Center for Automotive Research (CAR) in Ann Arbor, Mich., the multiplier effect is large, which is typical in manufacturing. Throw in the partsmakers and other suppliers, and you have an additional 974,000 jobs. Together, says CAR, these 1.2 million workers spend enough to keep 1.7 million more people employed. That gets you to 2.9 million jobs tied to the Detroit Three, and even if you discount the figures because of CAR's allegiance, it's a big number. Shut down Detroit, and the national unemployment rate heads toward 10% in a hurry. (See Pictures of the Week.)


Even if just one of the Detroit Three — and GM is the most likely, as Ford is in better shape and Chrysler is much smaller — spiraled into a free-fall bankruptcy, the systemic effects, at least initially, would be huge. The whole industry would not be able to build cars in the U.S., because of the lack of parts. "Unlike the airlines or steel, when you look at the automobile industry and the fact that the whole supplier base is connected — to Ford, Chrysler, Toyota — it will have a ripple effect on the entire industry," says Nicole Y. Lamb-Hale, a bankruptcy expert at the Detroit office of Foley & Lardner, a law firm that represents some GM suppliers.


A carefully planned, prepackaged bankruptcy would still be troublesome, she says. Throwing 479,000 GM retirees onto the rolls of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., for instance, could overwhelm it. And GM's agreement to fund the United Auto Workers' voluntary employee beneficiary association (VEBA) — thus getting a $50 billion unfunded liability off its books — might then be in jeopardy, as would the union's health benefits. The VEBA has already saved GM nearly $5 billion in the past quarter, and still greater benefits lie ahead.


A bailout won't spare GM or its workers pain. Assuming the government bridges GM to the future — or provides debtor-in-possession financing in a bankruptcy — there is still a ton of restructuring to do. The company operates 21 plants in North America and has three more that are scheduled to close. But Grant Thornton's Rodriguez says that still leaves five to go to match demand. "They still need to take structural steps: reduce suppliers, reduce the number of plants, reduce the cost structure and get rid of excessive debt." Most analysts say GM has to dump underperforming brands too.


Shutting down plants and cutting labor are costly — it's one of the ironies of the auto business. Deutsche Bank estimates that GM would have to spend $12 billion to chop labor costs and compensate dealers who lose their franchises. That would lower GM's North American operating costs from the current $31 billion to $25 billion annually, says Deutsche Bank. (See pictures of the global financial crisis.)


None of this can happen without the cooperation of the UAW, which is probably feeling better knowing that Obama is on his way to Washington. Although it hasn't shown its hand, the UAW may try to mitigate job losses in the U.S. by pushing GM and Ford to build fewer vehicles in Mexico, according to Sean McAlinden, chief economist at CAR. Obama might be sympathetic to that argument; he said during the campaign that NAFTA needed to be re-examined. The carrot for GM is that any new workers it hires in the U.S. will make $13 to $14 an hour and collect limited benefits rather than work for $29 an hour and get full benefits — the old UAW wage.


There's also a legitimate question as to who would do the restructuring. GM CEO Rick Wagoner has made the case that his crew is best placed to run the turnaround since it knows where the cost buttons are. But critics like Jim Schrager at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business say the wrong people are in charge: "I think you would only put money in GM if you had a complete change in the board and the current management. They are diligent. They worked very hard, but it just hasn't worked." In Schrager's view, GM is a strategic failure. It can manufacture high-quality cars, but it neither makes the right kind nor markets them effectively. He'd bust the company up into three independent firms: Chevy, Buick-Pontiac-GMC and Cadillac-Saab-Saturn.


If that's ultimately where Detroit ends up, is it worth the price to get there? Put another way, does GM deserve to be bailed out or left at the mercy of the market and almost certain death? "The University of Chicago training in me says the market should prevail," says Schrager. "But the Chrysler bailout was a success, and, gosh, I'd love to save it." That sentiment is not shared by everyone, and it goes to the heart of the central economic debate facing the country — between hard-nosed capitalists, who believe the market should decide, and public-policy types who view the economy as something far more organic than a balance sheet. But ultimately, whether GM is dead or alive, the taxpayers are on the hook for billions, for everything from lost tax revenues to higher unemployment costs to taking over GM's pension obligations. The decision that Washington has to make is whether we pay for GM's survival or for its funeral.


— With reporting by Joseph R. Szczesny / Detroit


What land in Texas is even worth 'grabbing'?
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This is long but worth the read, about Obama senior...

foreign policy advisor....


http://www.rense.com/general80/obb.htm


Not worth wasting perfectly good words on.
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That's exactly right! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. - nm
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AWWW....you weren't supposed to tell anyone!! Can't keep a secret worth a dang!!

That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.

Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
Everything you said is true and can be

easily seen by just reading the board.


At least it can be seen by most of us.


But it IS true.
I saw a feature on it. They had videotapes of the recruiters coaching the kids on how to pass a urine drug screen.  It is absolutely true. 
I don't think that is true at all. sm
I think a lot of people are pretty sick of Cindy and her histrionics.  I don't see it as political at all.  A lot of people aren't going to sit by this time for another Vietnam where the antiwar crowd totally influenced the way the war was run.
Not true. sm
They are pro troops and pro Israel.  You are definitely not reading that board right. Is it the guns that offend you?  Or the war with Islamic radicals who all want us dead?  I mean, what EXACTLY offends you the most? 
LOL!!! Oh how true! nm