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Oh I see....just drive by and repeat the same opinions over and over.

Posted By: sam on 2008-08-31
In Reply to: driveby posters - freethepeephole

Thank you for clarifying that for me.


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Repeat - Factcheck is not a reliable source, Repeat - no reliable
You keep citing Factcheck and we keep having to tell you Factcheck is not reliable. Why is it not reliable? Because it is funded by the Annenberg Foundation in which Obama is part of. AND because Obama was Chairman of the Board. It really is like talking to a wall. So let me repeat and read this nice and slow. Factcheck...not a reliable source. Cheese-o-Pete...you might as well just say you asked Michelle Obama and she said it's real. Additionally....the b/c they put up there was found to be a forgery. So...once again...factcheck not reliable...b/c submitted was a forgery.

So are you a fortune teller? You don't know if he will be elected or disqualified and neither do I. If the SC comes back and says he is legite I will drop the subject. If they find anything out of the ordinary then I will most likely say I told you so. If they say he's not legite but we'll change the constitution just for him, then I will be madder than a hornet and you'll hear from me. But all in all I will be satisfied with what the SC says. We won't know what their decision is until they make it.

If it comes back that he is ineligible and he lied, he better do some explaining to this country about why and he better calm his worshippers down. I think overall the country will be okay. For as many supporters that he has there are an equal number of people who don't support him and view him to be ineligibile. There are even people who support him, but are saying...wait a minute here, things are not adding up. Just show us the certificate and be done with it. In fact more so now since all this info came out and many people upset about it that they didn't know ahead of time.

As for what I think will happen. I really don't know. I do believe that quite possibly Hillary will step in and become President because she is the one that he wronged by campaigning when he knew he did not meet qualifications. So I believe probably she will become the next President and Biden will remain VP, or Biden will step in as President and she becomes VP.

I highly doubt the SC will just elect McCain because the republican party did not win and now that we have a congress/senate that's all democrat (or mostly democrat) they would prevent that somehow.

As for McCain? Heck no I didn't want him in there. I wanted one of the following - Chuck Baldwin from the constitutional party (but he had no chance whatsoever). I was also interested in Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. I really like Dennis Kucinich. I agreed with a lot of his ideas (especially impeachment of Bush) and I have agreed with a lot of what he has voted on in the past.

So maybe what I would really like to see happen is if the O is disqualified to have another "mini" campaign. All the candidates can run again and then the public decides after one or two months of campaigning. So, instead of having a President inaugerated in January they could be inaugerated in February or March. It would be different, but nothing like this has ever happened before.

I'll just say this on the whole b/c issues and this is why I say this and I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

1. Let me first say I voted for Obama in the primaries. So in no way do I hate him or a racist or whatever else people want to throw out. I voted for him because he has some ideas I thought were good (thought is the key word).
2. After he was elected I read about the stolen election from Hillary (even though I was way so not supportive of her). I started learning about his lies to the people. His dealings with Ayers, ACORN, Wright, Farrakhan etc, etc.
3. He funds different groups who create websites to detract from the issues.
4. The media treated him like a prince while trashing McCain/Palin. I was no fan of theirs by all means but what happened to them was uncalled for.
5. The b/c he put up on the "factcheck" site was found to be a forgery.
6. We find out he's born in Kenya and legally goes and has the records sealed, along with his school records. He is hiding something and that is not very reassuring for over half the country here.
7. His grandmother was in the room when he was born along with his sister and brother.
8. His sister mentions multiple hospitals he was born at, while Obama mentions something totally different.

Those are only a few of the issues that are my concerns about his legitimacy.

On the other hand you have the issues/policies of his that I don't agree with and am finding out more and more how unsafe our country is going to be.

The incident in India has the you know what scared out of me and the thought of that happening here in our country is a real issue for me.

I was in the US Army. I spent 8 years in the service defending the country. It just makes me a bit upset to hear that people don't care if the Constition is not upheld, just so Obama gets in no matter what. All I want is the Constituion protected. That's all I'm asking for. Our founding fathers created it for a reason and we need to abide by it and not change it. I saw where Barney Franks tried to change it so that a foreign born could become president as long as they had been a citizen for 20 years (it was quite odd timing because not too much longer after that Obama decides to run and then we find there is a forged b/c. Timing of all this is just way too suspicious. All I say is let the supreme courts decide. That is what they are there for. I have read articles that say The Supreme Courts job is to protect the constitution and even if it means that a decision they make is not going to be popular, they are bound by their duty to defend the Constitution and they will.

So, once more I want to repeat that Factcheck is not reliable source because Obama/Annenberg Foundation and Factcheck are one in the same.
I appreciate the opinions, however;
as your fellow Ohioans voted him into the Ohio senate in 1996 has served six terms as congressman, it stands to reason your view is the minority.   Viggo Mortensen was in NH speaking on Kucinich's behalf during the caucus, and it is my understanding the Melissa Etheridge is also a supporter.  I just think your argument is a bit weak.  If you want to discount him, attack him for his views or failed policies.  I don't care if he is supported by people such as Willie Nelson.  I happen to enjoy his music and his private life is exactly that, private; and I don't believe in guilty by association.
Hey GP - I always say we may all have different opinions
But we should all feel strongly about our opinions that we put our name. It's good to see you too GP. Like I say we may not always agree, but I read the posts. My husband always tells me "Knowlege is Freedom". I agree with you though, it is hard to tell the posters. I've been swamped with work lately and trying to play with my cat more. Poor thing gets so lonely. And I go through stages with being tired of being bashed, then figure I have a right to post my opinion. So now I feel the board is getting too filled with the lovefest crowd for the O, so I gotta bring the board back to being real here again. HA HA -I'm sure you'll disagree with me on that one though :-), but differences are what makes this country so great. So now I'm back to posting my opinion whether someone likes it or not. Someone's gotta stir the pot. HA HA. If I feel strongly about a topic or an article I find interesting I will post.
Well, you know what they say about opinions........nm
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Opinions
are like (you know what word), everyone has one. You just have to know where to look to defend yours. We could post others' opinions like this all day - it's not going to change my mind and I can see it's not going to change yours.

You're entited to your opinion and I respect that.
How do you know how I seek my opinions?
Just because I don't listen to far left, excuse the phrase, wackos, that have been discredited right and left does not mean I don't seek out diverse opinions. I read and watch a lot of opposing views. I will say that I have core beliefs in which I have made my mind up about and my opinion does not sway with the direction of the wind on any given day. I don't see anything wrong with that, and that philosophy has served me well over nearly a half a century of life, so I will stick with the tried and proven.
What are your opinions on Fla and Michigan

I keep hearing about HC wanting to push on getting Florida and Michigan votes to count, delegates to be seated, etc.  While I understand about every vote should count and they should, I also understand that Fla & Mich agreed on this so that they could vote early (i.e. they broke the rules and were punished) and both sides (Obama & Clinton) agreed to it.  I guess at that time she thought that the whole US was just going to vote for her and nobody would vote for Obama and now that she is seeing otherwise she wants to change the rules/laws.


Now I don't even understand why there is a meeting going on.  Doesn't anyone just tell them...No!  You agreed to this.  You were told of the consequences and you agreed and now that your losing you want to change the laws to be put in your favor.  Every time they don't win they want to change the rules, and I dont understand why they are not just being told "No".  If they are so concerned about all the votes counting why didn't they just wait until when they were supposed to vote and not push it earlier.  I can tell you - because they thought they would be winning more states and they didn't care enough about Fla or Mich to wait.


Now I understand that she is going to go to the meeting and push that even with FL and MI she doesn't have enough votes, but she's now going to push for them to just dismiss Obama (even though he has more delagates and votes, and states won), that they should just dump him and make her the nominee because she believes she can win over McCain. She really needs to wake up.  She's just like her husband - a legend in their own minds.  If she steals this from Obama and becomes the nominee (which I doubt very very much) but if she was to be able to finagle that so much dirt would come out going all the way back to Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, etc, etc,


Maybe what they should be doing is taking responsibility and telling the citizens of FL & MI the real reason why their votes are not being counted - because of her and her decisions she made and if they blame anyone they should blame her for not following the laws.


And on another side cannot anyone tell me why in the world Obama's name was not on the ticket in MI.  I have not for the life of me figured out that one.  Only her name was on the ticket?  Helloooo....the last time I looked there were two candidates.  Now they are trying to say Obama removed his name from the ticket.  Yeah, right, tell me another one.  I hear that and I think, what country do we live in where the person who wants to be president has only their name on the ballot.  That's what I hear happens in Cuba, Russia and all those other communist countries.


When wil the insanity end?


 


 


I have every right to post my opinions :)
now I am finished with this really. these are my opinions and you just are not going to change them no matter how much you try to intimidate or try to demean me. your unkind words from the previous posts were all I needed to see. you came out as if it was you I was talking about so you must identify very strongly with this particular person. if that offends you - there is not much I can say, you are going to just keep on keeping on...

I still stick to my opinions from my first post, sorry you are offended so...

go ahead, have the last word...
Yet another drive by?
Nothing to add.

It's true because what, you said so????
Wow, was that a drive-by?
Making a posting like that is pretty ignorant in my eyes...
You and your drive bys................sm
Let me lay this out for you.

The post that I responded to stated that this had nothing to do with the US which was a response to JTBB's post which said, and I quote: "No, this one lays directly at the feet of Bush. That makes 3 wars, an economic crisis and an environmental meltdown that he is now handing down."

So Bush was an element in this conversation.

Apparently it is you who cannot follow a discussion. Quit trying to play board police because you're doing a lousy job at it.


So be it. We have differing opinions, both of us are entitled....
No matter who gets elected, I hope things get better for you. Sincerely.
My guess is you probably drive one of
those gas-hog pickup trucks.  Gas for blood is not rhetoric -- why else would we still be there?  This country has an addiction far worse than any drug and it is time to give it up!!  You greedy pubs love consuming anything and everything!!
And, it is a very short drive!
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Yeah, right. Take a look at your own drive-by.
Go take a long, hard look and then tell it to yourself. Maybe it will give you some insight into how you come across to the rest of the world.
No, I think the point is you don't seek out diverse opinions..sm
I watch Fox, listen to Hannity, O'Reilly, and many other conservatives (the ones that can be civil and are not self centered). I read and watch opposing views as often as I do amen columns/shows.

Condi Rice said at a graduation ceremony, (as I remember reading the article) *If you feel strongly about something (politically) that's fine, just seek out someone who feels the exact opposite and talk to them about it.*
GP is entitle to have 2 opinions on 2 unrelated topics.
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You might try reading all the posts before you do your little drive-bys...
never said anything about "book learnin." What I said was I objected being talked to in a condescending and elitist manner. Never said anything about education...other than the poster I was referring to looked down on folks that she perceived was not as well educated as SHE was.

As to the Mein Kampf remark...too idiotic to even address. LOL. Geezzz.
I thought you hated drive bys>
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No, I watch the same thing, only I seek out diverse opinions.sm
In the past, I did not.

Here's a quiz for you: Name the best-known and most influential conservative commentators in America? Rush Limbaugh? George F. Will? Bill O'Reilly? Now, quick, who are their liberal counterparts?
Opinions count. Nothing wrong in researching them as long as
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Excuse me, I am intelligent, I listen to all of it, and make my own opinions....sm
STOP making the broad generalizations, it rates right up there with the "psychics and fortune tellers" who just know that Obama will fail and are actually licking their lips waiting for it. How childish. If you chose to listen to Rush and follow him, great for you, I guess. If I choose to listen to him and come to a divergent conclusion about his motives or veracity, or anything else about the man, I am also free to. You know the hold saying about ASSUMING?????????
Another drive-by potshot over the bow...also infantile...but definitely, it appears...
your style. Sigh.
Robot's hard-drive needs rebooting.

Why don't you just climb into your Range Rover, drive
You obviously 'know', so just go take everyone by the and and lead them through it. Then, when you're all done, you can lie back on the genuine leather front seat, re-apply your lipstick, and have yourself a cigarette.

Gotta love these drive-by posts
I love when folks stop by here, post a quick blurb. Especially when they put in nothing to support it, and they expect everyone to take it as fact. I guess we are supposed to take everything posted as fact.
Devolving into personal slams in drive-bys usually indicates
you have nothing of substance to add, MS nm. Please indicate what it was in my 2-liner that you found so offensive.
Wont matter much - who can afford to drive
Price of gas will be back to $4/gal. - and THEN some - by next summer. Oil co. CEOs are as bad as the Wall-Street $$-ho's.
Opinions on Hillary's proposed health care system?
Personally, I'm against mandatory health insurance laws.  Look how mandatory auto insurance goes - you buy the cheapest policy because you can't afford the good ones.  Your policy covers squat, but you're legal.  I'm concerned the "affordable" health insurance she wants to force us to buy will turn into the same thing - a crap policy that covers nothing but keeps you legal.  Does anybody else feel like I do about this?
Facts are always called opinions by the left when they refuse to acknowledge them...sm
The facts within the article are true. No matter how much you want to ignore them.


You are so blind.
With all due respect, Democrat, you have no idea whether the drive by posters sm
who post anonymously on the conservative board are not some who post here regularly. You just don't know that.  None of us (unless we are friends on the outside) know that about any of us.  So that's a little disingenuous.  Sometimes, I have sure felt like changing my initials to avoid posters who constantly slam me.  But I have found a better place to post.  Just dropped over for the day.  Have a good one.
Only drive-bys seem to be ruining perfectly adult conversations

We all were having good conversations and even adult disagreements until the usual drive-by suspects chimed in and make is a potty-mouth bash fest.  Democrat might have lost control a little bit, but we all do at some point.    You did your usual leftist troll duties by coming here and sabatoging and decent debates in process.  You are not a liberal.  You are someone who is so filled with hate that you cannot stand when conservatives and liberals are actually dialoguing.  Yeah, it gets heated, but you are not mature enough nor do you have substance enough to tolerate adult conversation.  You are a dive bomber, and you are the reason we have to be separated.


You and your minions are pretty sad people indeed.


"Danger, Will Robinson! Hard drive crashing!

Yup, don't forget to include the opinions of the criminally insane as undeniable truth....nm
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Geez, check rasmussen. Love these drive by potshots. lol. nm
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Doom & Gloom: Drive the American economy into the dirt then present socialism as the only way out.
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repeat - sm
If checking the adoption records is part of the normal background check, then the only reason this is a problem is because the media is making it one.

Again, and I repeat. sm
This is NOT how MJF is every day!  I thought I explained this above.  I am not diminishing the disease.  My mother-in-law died of it a year and a half ago. It's a terrible disease.  But he controls much of the symptoms with medication, which he did not take, or so the word was last night.  Now I am reading that he actually had overmedicated himself.  Now, having said that, you have proved my point about apologies. I didn't hear anyone on the left mentioning when the famous leftie Ben Affleck, made fun of people with cerebral palsy.  He never apologized either, that I know of.  But, of course, that's different.  It's only bad when conservatives do it.  It's bad all the way around, I say. 
repeat after me

fair and balanced . . . fair and balanced . . . fair and balanced . . . obama is a muslim .  . . economy is fundamentally strong . . . fair and balanced . .  .


 


Anything.... I repeat - ANYTHING! is better
Biggest embarrassment this country has ever had in office. Time for Retardo to HIT THE ROAD.
Let me repeat myself
Because you're not getting it.

"Where did I say in my post to watch Fox News"

Where??? It didn't.

"Better to stay silent and remain a food, then to speak and remove all doubt" - Benjamin Franklin
Looks like I have to repeat AGAIN -
Snopes.com is not a credible site to verify truths/falses. They have been noted time and time again to say something is false when it's true and vice versa. It is a site run by two very liberal people. So if I go and create a website with a relative of mine and we put up a bunch of false claims as long as it veers in the positive towards the viewpoint we like your going to start telling us that we are credible? I don't think so. If you want to believe Snopes, then you might as well tell people to go read it in the National Inquirer, Star or any of those other sites you can access on line.

Here's a repeat one more time for those that do not get it.... do not come back here and tell us that something is truth or fiction because it said so on Snopes. Research many many sites. Do not judge things just by a liberal or a conservative site. Read, read, read and judge for yourselves. Find out who is behind these websites and what agenda are they fulfilling. Then make up your mind.

I could care less that the article has to say right now. What I am telling you and others is that Snopes has been wrong about many issues time and time again. Do not believe them, or if you do pull up their site pull up other sites as well to verify information, but don't come here and try and tell us something is or is not true because Snopes said it was or wasn't. Okay, got it now???
I'm not judging. All I did was repeat what she herself said.
I don't wrap myself in the Bible and the flag and justify my actions by saying that Jesus doesn't care if I act like a hateful person because he forgives me for every single thing I do, giving me free rein to act like a thug.  I take responsibility for my own actions.
I repeat...have as much right to be here and post as you do...
And until this becomes Venezuela North, I will exercise it. You can have all the opinions you want, and so can anyone else, along as they agree with you. If you have issues that are important to you, post them, defend them....don't spend so much time trying to silence me and put forth those issues that you are concerned about. No one is stopping you from doing that.
Will history repeat?
If Senator McCain is elected, wonder what excuses will be used to keep him away from the convention in 2012?
I repeat....there was no surplus...
that was just clever use of word. It was a "projected" surplus, and it was contingent upon a cap on federal spending for 15 years, and no added federal programs. There was no real "surplus" sitting around.

Mea culpa on the borrowing. I have already said Bush spent like a drunken sailor. Spending needs to be curbed. Neither candidate is willing to say what I think needs to be done...no more new programs and stop the ones that are not working. When we get back in the "black" again, then we can look at increasing programs. Throwing more money at stuff is obviously not the answer.
again why do i have to repeat this over and over WHO SAID IM CHRISTIAN!
IVE NEVER said that and in fact in my first post said "not all people against gay marriage are christian".

sacred to me means something i believe strongly in no matter what "faith" has to do with it, sorry you have nothing like that
Then I repeat...why doesn't your guy....
the prez candidate on the other ticket...go to a venue where actual Americans ask the actual questions and communicate with "us" directly??
Could you repeat the question?
Cause I can see Russia over there and they aren't too happy about having to loan Iceland money I can tell ya.
GP - how many times do we have to repeat
It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and is funded by the Annenberg Foundation. Obama, Bill Ayers, and Factcheck.org all have ties to the Annenberg Foundation.

Obama has ties to Factcheck.org. In 1995 Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Annenberg Chicago Challenge - A branch of the Annenberg Foundation.

Factcheck.org is part of the Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck was also chosen by the Obama campaign as the arbitrar of Obama's birth certificate.

Anyone can put two and two together and see that Obama and The Annenberg Foundation pays Factcheck.org to put out the false information.

Factcheck claims it has "verified" the O's bc, but other sites has found several inconsistencies which call into question whether the certificate is authentic.

Before you tell anyone they should quit reading blogs that have any useful information, you should not be citing a website that is clearly misleading people and feeding them false information, and that is paid for by the Annenberg Foundation which = Obama.
Disregard this repeat.
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