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One of the things I disagree with McCain...he doesn't know a socialist...sm

Posted By: ms on 2008-11-01
In Reply to: Even McCain said Obama was not a socialist - Sorry

when he sees one.

But hey, that falls into his 50% of stuff I don't agree with...hehe





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Gourdpainter..I disagree with you on some things, but on this you are right. sm
We do need to make our voices heard. I think that the Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves at what our country has become and what it MAY become. And the way our Constitution has been trashed on a daily basis.

Both my DH and I are on a first name basis with our legislators also. Both in Lansing and in Washington. In fact, he has them on speed-dial. We are always giving them opinion, whether they want it or not. As it usually involves something we DO NOT agree with, we also make it a point to let them know when they have done something we DO agree with.

We do need to make our voices heard, if for no other reason than to keep the insanity in check.


Doesn't anyone know what it will mean for us to live in a socialist country?
While everyone is busy attacking the republicans while crying that everyone is attacking Obama, nobody has answered the question.

You can't even see the end of the nose on your face. Its a fact that democrats have put us economically where we are. Who cares about Bush! He did not vote on the FMFM thing 2 years ago. There are bills signed, records voted on. It is black and white. with Dodd, Franks, and Cox at the top (not to mention Obama). It is undeniable, yet you continue to ignore the facts (plus the democrats had control of the congress). Stop living in the victim state and face the facts.

Still just trying to find out what socialism will mean for us in our daily lives IF Obama is elected. Nobody knows yet if he will be elected or not - especially with the latest news of the swing states finding republican registration cards thrown in the garbage. I don't trust any poll until the day after election (look at the Bush/Gore election). That was close.

Anyway...guess I will have to do some research but not sure where to start.
Word, semantics, when socialist doesn't scare...sm
people enough, it gets elevated to communist and nazi just being inflammatory. We are Americans first, democrats and republicans second, period.
Doesn't change the fact....Obama is a socialist....
and you are condoning trampling all over someone's civil rights because they asked a question and Obama answered it honestly. Why would that upset you so much? Ohhbaamaaa is socialist, he said he was in his answer, explained it very clearly. So you should just embrace his socialism and stop shooting the messenger, right?

Slurs? Unfounded accusations? You mean like doing a law enforcement background check on someone for asking a question?

That is HONEST?? pUleezzeee.
A socialist country doesn't seem like such a bad thing?!? Then vote for Batista Obama.
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McCain said that Obama was not a socialist - nm
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McCain says Obama not a socialist
On Larry King last night.
Even McCain said Obama was not a socialist
on Larry King the other night when asked
Disagree with you. McCain's amendment
cut the stimulus to $450B, leaving in all the housing, tax cuts, etc. Most of  the dems voted against it. I haven't seen the stats yet on it; i.e., who voted nay, but I know most of them were dems because I was watching.
JTBB doesn't have time for such things...too busy
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mccain 2 important things

When making up your mind remember that when a town hall participant said we needed to restart the draft, McCain said he did not disagree.  Why a draft if the war is being resolved and no other ones in the works?  Also, McCain wants to privitize Social Security.  Bush did his best to get that begun, and the country resoundly said thanks, no thanks. Wall Street disasters like oil speulators, Enron and Fannie Mae surely are enough to give a thinking voter pause when it comes to turning over your future retirement to those on Wall Street


 


 


I have said plenty of things against Mccain
And if it wouldn't be just a wasted vote I would write in another candidate. But the bottom line is Obama is way to liberal. If there was a democratic candidate who was more middle of the road and upheld Christian values I would most certainly vote for him or her. I could care less about republican or democratic parties. Heck this is my first year voting! I think the voting age should be 21 because most 18 year olds are not intelligent enough to go out and really learn about the candidates. They just want to vote for the rock star who promises change. Forget what the change is. He's just so COOL.

Last time I checked COOL wasn't on the lists of requirements for presidential candidate.
McCain doesn't need help looking bad.
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Why doesn't McCain campaign let
her talk to the media!?  Apparently they are afraid of her.
Now why doesn't McCain take that approach?

I've been leaning in favor of Obama these last few weeks and I have to say it's because McCain isn't offering me up any reasons to choose him.  Why isn't he attacking Obama's "socialist" viewpoint instead of just trash-talking.  I don't want to live in a socialist country, but I also have had enough of the Bush years.  Why isn't McCain taking a stronger stance than what he has been. 


While I don't want Obama overseeing our healthcare, I also don't want to pay McCain's taxes on it.  We're already going to see a hike in our taxes from this bailout, which I think both candidates unwisely supported.  Furthermore, I think we need to bring some of our troops back home, unless the Iraqi govt wants to start paying us for having them there.  That war alone is costing us millions.  On the other hand, I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons.  And don't even get me started on Roe versus Wade.  I'm pro-choice, but I'm not pro-mutilating babies that survived abortion.  I believe abortion is a decision that needs to be made before 12 weeks' gestation.  That's just my feeling and I know many will disagree.


And let's not kid each other about Palin.  I personally don't care to be spoken to like I'm a redneck.  It's very patronizing and I don't appreciate it.  When it was first announced that she was the VP pick, I was very interested in learning more about her and also kind of psyched to get a woman in the White House.  But after listening to her address the country, I felt like a kindergartener.  She should find a better way to speak to us as American citizens, not rednecks from the backwoods. 


McCain doesn't talk bad about democrats
because he gets his surrogates to do that, don't be so naive.  He's another Bush and his ilk, he's just not as dumb, which is even scarier.
Voting for McCain doesn't make you a republican
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=2805&name=Bush-Family-Bankrupt-Companies
Yeah, I know...if McCain doesn't win the election, he'll probably steal it
The theory behind democracy and two parties is after two terms of one party, the other party comes into office for no more than two terms. It is so the two parties meet in the moderate middle and no extremes of either are reached. Far right and far left wingnuts take the country to such extremes, it destabilizes the masses and civil disorder will erupt due to the stark contrast between the two parties extreme beliefs. Well, I think that as I have viewed all the posts, there is reason to be concerned about the educational system in this country and what people rely on, progress or tradition.

But, bottom line is the country is in a state of turmoil like never seen since 1929 and for that very reason, everyone should want to vote for the other party unless they are wealthy and want tax breaks. Which is always the case.

Home schooling by mothers who aren't able to educate and lackluster teachers have added to this country of people who are so devisive, they appear to hate each other. They say a common enemy brings people together, but even with the corruption before us, lies and deceit by the GOP, costing us all so much for years to come, hasn't done the job. It is pretty hopeless.
typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
And I still disagree. We shall agree to disagree. But....
welome to the board! A new voice is welcome, whichever side the voice decides to fall. :)
Ayers doesn't regret the bombings, doesn't feel like they did enough sm

In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."


Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.


He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.


Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."...so because it was 40 years ago, and Ayers is still proud of what he did, how is it justifiable for a US presidential candidate to now be friends with this man?  Unless he has the same view of America.


Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm
It does not count because its in the bag that our 3 electoral votes will go to the republican party.
jew - socialist?????
Your ignorance is showing.  Blacklisting was just that, blacklisting, a modern day witchhunt.  Chomsky is a great columnist and professor.  Im amazed at the gall of you bringing up jews and linking them with socialism and communism.  I have many jewish friends who have worked extremely hard for all that they have and I frankly dont know what socialism or communism and being a jew has anything to do with the other.  P.S.:  This is America, land of the free..remember?  And if anyone, christian, jew, atheist wants to be a socialist or communist, they can be..its not against the law of the land.. 
He is a socialist
Wake up! Read his plans, read what he wants to do to America. They are all socialist ideas.
he is a socialist
I will not calm down.  He is not my president.  My president and leader is and always will be Jehovah.
Socialist?


by: Harold Meyerson  |  Visit article original @ The Washington Post


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Conservatives are currently attacking President Barack Obama by calling him a socialist. (Photo: Wired.com)



    "We are all socialists now," proclaims Newsweek. We are creating "socialist republics" in the United States, says Mike Huckabee, adding, on reflection, that "Lenin and Stalin would love this stuff." We are witnessing the Obama-era phenomenon of "European socialism transplanted to Washington," says Newt Gingrich.

    Well! Even as we all turn red, I've still encountered just two avowed democratic socialists in my daily rounds through the nation's capital: Vermont's Sen. Bernie Sanders . . . and the guy I see in the mirror when I shave. Bernie is quite capable of speaking for himself, so what follows is a report on the state of actual existing socialism from the other half of the D.C. Senators and Columnists Soviet.

    First, as we survey the political landscape, what's striking is the absence of advocates of socialism, at least as the term was understood by those who carried that banner during the capitalist crisis of the 1930s. Then, socialists and communists both spoke of nationalizing all major industries and abolishing private markets and the wage system. Today, it's impossible to find a left-leaning party anywhere that has such demands or entertains such fantasies. (Not even Hugo Chávez - more an authoritarian populist than any kind of socialist - says such things.)

    Within the confines of socialist history, this means that the perspective of Eduard Bernstein - the fin DE siecle German socialist who argued that the immediate struggle to humanize capitalism through the instruments of democratic government was everything, and that the goal of supplanting capitalism altogether was meaningless - has definitively prevailed. Within the confines of American history, this means that when New York's garment unions left the Socialist Party to endorse Franklin Roosevelt in 1936, they were charting the paradigmatic course for American socialists: into the Democratic Party to support not the abolition of capitalism but its regulation and democratization, and the creation of some areas of public life where the market does not rule.

    But in the United States, conservatives have never bashed socialism because its specter was actually stalking America. Rather, they've wielded the cudgel against such progressive reforms as free universal education, the minimum wage or tighter financial regulations. Their signal success is to have kept the United States free from the taint of universal health care. The result: We have the world's highest health-care costs, borne by businesses and employees that cannot afford them; nearly 50 million Americans have no coverage; infant mortality rates are higher than those in 41 nations - but at least (phew!) we don't have socialized medicine.

    Give conservatives credit for their consistency: They attacked Roosevelt as a socialist as they are now attacking Obama, when in fact Obama, like Roosevelt before him, is engaged not in creating socialism but in rebooting a crashed capitalist system. The spending in Obama's stimulus plan isn't a socialist takeover. It's the only way to inject money into a system in which private-sector investment, consumption and exports - the other three possible engines of growth - are locked down. Investing more tax dollars in education and research and development is a way to use public funds to create a more competitive private sector. Keeping our banks from speculating madly with our money is a way to keep banking alive.

    If Obama realizes his agenda, what emerges will be a more social, sustainable, competitive capitalism. His more intellectually honest and sentient conservative critics don't accuse him of Leninism but of making our form of capitalism more like Europe's. In fact, over the past quarter-century, Europe's capitalism became less regulated and more like ours, one reason Europe is tanking along with everyone else.

    Take it from a democratic socialist: Laissez-faire American capitalism is about to be supplanted not by socialism but by a more regulated, viable capitalism. And the reason isn't that the woods are full of secret socialists who are only now outing themselves.

    Judging by the failures of the great Wall Street investment houses and the worldwide crisis of commercial banks; the collapse of East Asian, German and American exports; the death rattle of the U.S. auto industry; the plunge of stock markets everywhere; the sickening rise in global joblessness; and the growing shakiness of governments in fledgling democracies that opened themselves to the world market - judging by all these, a more social capitalism is on the horizon because the deregulated capitalism of the past 30 years has blown itself up, taking much of the known world with it.

    So, for conservatives searching for the culprits behind this transformation of capitalism: Despite our best efforts, it wasn't Bernie and it wasn't me. It was your own dam system.


socialist blair
He is a socialist, doesnt just tend to sway that way..He is a socialist, LOL.  Gee, I thought socialism, you know, help each other, my bread is your bread, sure I will donate or pay taxes to set up programs, run by the government, to help those less fortunate..Socialism..the same thing you fight against in America, Social Security, without private accounts, Medicare, and many more, all programs set up by democrats.
You never meant a socialist Jew! sm
What do you think they come up to you and say hi, I am a socialist Jew.  Do you know Noam Chomsky?  How about David Horowitz's parents?  How about the Rosenbergs?  Shall I go on.  Do you wonder why almost all the actors blacklisted in Hollywood way back when were almost all JEWS?!? 
This is utter BS, but I'd take a socialist nm
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Couldn't have said it better...socialist to
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They are socialist/Marxist. That has been the...
mantle of the DNC for years, growing steadily worse. They employ the Alinsky method...read up on it. Obama not only embraces it, he taught it.

It is built on class warfare. You find out what bothers people most, then you rabble rouse. Whatever that sore is, you make it more sore. And you blame whatever institution you are trying to take down. With Hitler it was Jews. With socialists it is "the rich." You make people think the cause of ALL their problems is either (Jews or big nasty corporations). Here it is big nasty corporations. They have fed people this for so many years they have bought into it. People actually think big evil corporations are the cause of everything bad that happens to them.

Saul Alinsky himself summed it up (paraphrasing): "It doesn't matter if it is true or not. It just matters if you can make them believe it."

Basically, in order to keep people voting for them, they have to keep people thinking that the big bad corporations are the cause of all the problems, and they say we are going to take from them and give to you and you have to do nothing to receive that other than keep voting for them. In recent years it has been changed to evil corporations and evil Republicans, and it is working, you see it demonstrated on this board every day. Most of these people really don't even know how corporations figure into our economy. They just know they're "evil." They hate a whole portion of society (Christians, conservatives, etc.) because they are "evil" and the cause of all their problems. Socialism 101. They have practiced it well...they have a lot of believers.
Marxist/socialist? Please. You are just being...sm
inflammatory. He is a liberal democrat, period. If I had called McCain a fascist would you not be insulted. Can we have some brains here? Next thing you will be calling him a communist. Good grief!
They you lean socialist, I don't, and we will...
agree to disagree. I do not begrudge anyone who has been successful in their lives and I sure don't think they owe ME any part of it. I don't understand that logic. And if a good many of those "rich" did not contribute extensively to charitable programs, there would be a lot more "with outs" than there are. But nobody ever mentions that. Just like nobody ever mentions those rich people and their businesses employ about 80% of us. But what does that matter, right? Why should we have to work? Just give us YOUR money. Sigh.

That is also where we differ...McCain is not Bush. And don't give me the voted with him 95% of the time. So did the democrats, or bills would not have passed. That doesn't hold water. McCain has gotten in Bush's face more than the democrats have over a lot of things.

If the Democrats had not blocked McCain's reform bill in 2005, perhaps we would not have had the Fannie/Freddie crisis.

But, oh well, I guess none of that matters....lol

Have a good day! :)
Was Jesus a socialist?...sm
On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, "Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me." Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me." These will ask Him, "When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?" And Jesus will answer them, "Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!"
Obama IS a socialist. And I think you know it.
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Not Obama. He is a socialist first.
Have you not read his books?
No, he is a socialist first.........and no doubt his
It is known for a FACT that the Obama campaign has contributed over 800K dollars to ACORN, a corrupt organization committed to voter fraud with many members of ACORN indicted for those crimes and more...... you figure it out.

And pleeeze do not tell me Obama doesn't know anything about this...
SOCIALIST STATE
I agree with you 100%.
VT, Socialist Senator
Bernie Sanders.  Isn't that special?
Obama is a socialist
Redistribution of wealth is a key characteristic of socialism. We already redistribute enough wealth, so why punish those who work hard to make a better life for their families by making more money? Take more taxes from them to give to the crackheads on the street who won't work? Also, remember, it is generally the wealthy people who create the most jobs.
None were As socialist as Obama...
he is eliminating the federal taxes of 10 million and making up the lost revenue by taxing the "rich" at a higher rate, while at the same time letting the bush tax cuts for those same people expire, which is not reflected in any of your charts.

answer: None of them were more socialist than Obama.

At least HE is honest about it.
OBAMA THE SOCIALIST

HE'S A SOCIALIST, MUSLIM; WE WILL HAVE SOCIAL MEDICINE, ALL THE CHURCHES WILL BE CLOSED AND ALL CHRISTIANS WILL BE PERSECUTED.  NO HOMESCHOOLING FOR SURE.  OUR BORDERS WILL BE OPEN.  YOU MUST HIRE HOMOSEXUALS IN YOUR CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES.  REMEMBER WHAT HITLER DO, IT WILL BE MUCH, MUCH WORSE.  ******


**** Edited by Moderator:  No name-calling, please.***** 


Not according to the socialist party.
Brian Moore, the presidential candidate for the socialist party, says that it is an insult to say that Barack Obama is a socialist. He was interviewed on TV last week and said that Obama is a capitalist and could not be described as a socialist in any way, shape, or form. I think he knows a little bit more about socialism than any of you do.
socialist ideology
Other folks have got the Obama transition covered here, so I won't talk about that. What I will say is how stupid it is for people to get in a lather about ''socialism.''

You quote that line, ''It wasn’t socialism and hand outs from the federal government that made this the country that people literally die trying to get into,'' and that's actually exactly the opposite of the truth. Our recovery from the Depression and our postwar boom succeeded pretty much exactly in proportion to how much money the government handed out.

Obama is not a socialist, but his policies will only succeed insofar as they take money out of the hands of the rich and powerful, and put it back into the hands of the folks that work for a living. There is simply no other way to sustain an economy without going through these ridiculous periods of speculation and depression. The mess we're in now is what happens when capitalism tries to ''prop things up.'' It always fails, and we always bail it out, and then we always wonder how this could possibly have happened again.


So the only way, is the democrat (socialist) way from now on?
The uninformed public such as you scare me more than them.
OH NO!!!! He's much worse than a socialist....
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A socialist's heart revealed. sm
No socialist society has ever flourished. You must know that.  Kruschev.  My God. I can't believe you said that.  Well, I am but a passing visitor and I just saw into the heart of darkness.  Woweee.
Probably the same thing socialist Germans said...
right before they became Nazi Germany and blamed the Jews for all their woes, and we know how THAT turned out. Frankly, I could not care less what you think of "right wingers" in general or me in particular, and also, frankly, I thank GOD you and I have nothing in common. Until the moderator tells me I cannot post here, I will continue to do so, and I will continue to read your posts as a reminder to never get as bitter and hate-filled as you seem to be. Bless your heart.
And you must want to live in a socialist country
What part of my message didn't you understand? It was pretty simple. It was Biden's words himself. So let me spell it out for the intellectually challenged (maybe if you read this slowly you might understand it).

1. We don't need the liberals stealing from the american people who have worked hard (the ones who have small business, etc (words of Newt Gingrich).
2. Taking more money from the people who work hard to earn it while not stopping the spending will not help the economy grow.

Most importantly - now read this extra slow so you can understand it.

Stealing money from the american people under the guise of "taxes" while trying to make them believe its their patriotic duty to pay more, when we can hardly afford to live anymore and while government does not stop spending on uneccessary programs is not patriotism - it's socialism.

You do the research. And you say I'm not too bright???
Obama is a socialist and probably a closet...sm
communist, masquerading as the most liberal democrat in the Senate.

Democrats have this overwhelming desire to want to be taken care of from cradle to grave, and their leaders philosophy of, "let me take care of you forever" mentality is so scary. Not to mention the constant class envy and warfare on those that are successful in life.

Complete and total socialism, and communism.....Doesn't work, never has worked, won't work ever.




Oh yeah, and he and Michelle are racist. Certain comments, past and present, in or out of context, are racist and inflammatory..... let's call a spade, a spade, shall we?

And a spade? that's a playing card, not a black man in this context.

I'm also sick and tired of the so called political correctness in this country. If Obama can call McCain and "old white man" -- why the heck can't McCain call Obama a "young, black man."


Geez, is it November yet...please?


Flame on, I don't care anymore, and I'm out of here.
Not yet, but it will be if we vote in a socialist president.
We will be Venezuela north.