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Please remember the Bradley effect...

Posted By: notvotingthisyear on 2008-09-21
In Reply to: really, as I have said twice before - frenula

which I think will be the case here.




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To the Bradley effect
You seem to have a negative effect on people.  My, my.  I just read a few of your posts.  Such great anger in such a small person.  I saw that you had mentioned God and his Word.  You must have skipped a few things in your reading because there are quite a few references in God's word as to loving your neighbor and doing unto others.....we are all created in God's image..... ya know, that kind of stuff.  Have you started your own religion yet?  Maybe you should.  Ya know the kind where you pick and choose what works for you and then just kind of chalk the rest up to mumbo jumbo.  I would be careful what you take away or add to the Bible, as God also mentions something in there, actually in Revelations, about changing his word.  But if you didnt read THAT part, I guess You don't have to worry. 
The Bradley effect is a fact,,,
perhaps you should read up on it. Don't be so touchy and defensive!
ENOUGH, Bradley s/m

As a Christian I am compelled to call you out on your behavior. 


If you are, indeed, a Christian, and I am taking your word for it, you are bringing shame upon the name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.  Worse, yet, those who may not know Christ are likely to be completely turned off due to your rude, judgmental behavior and who could blame them?


As the "granny" around here and a "granny" Christian as well, may I remind you that you have no right to judge anyone whether it be Obama or the people on this board.  Do you think Jesus would approve of your vile posts?  I think not.


So...........examine your own heart.


If she won't say it, I will....Bradley
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What about the vile posts against Bradley?
I was curious so went to the bottom and read up. So what about the vile posts against Bradley? Guess they don't matter. I don't know whose side Bradley is on (dem or rep), but all I'm reading is Bradley defending herself/himself.
I'm not sure it will have much effect
I actually sort of supported John McCain when he was in the mix the last time (shocker!). I thought he had some good things to say. However, I could not vote for him now because of his stance on the war, no matter who backed him. I think that this election is somewhat different than others in the past. People are concerned with the issues more than ever, not just who is charming or has experience in this or that. They want the candidate that represents their views on a variety of issues, which include the war in Iraq. So, I'm not sure independents will be swayed by who Lieberman supports.
This was directed at Bradley, but hey, 2 birds, 1 stone
Truth be told, you guys have morphed from angry hate mob to sore losers to disappearing desperados, all in one week. I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
Little harsh, Bradley, but I agree with the tax issue,
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The obama effect

A very good link. - Says a lot.  I'm going to be getting this movie.  Explains some things.


http://www.hypemovie.com/?gclid=CKPSn--wzZYCFRsRagodZWPJyQ


 


I can see apologies have no effect on the likes of you. SM
Thank you for demonstrating that. It's funny, because several times liberals have mistakenly posted on the conservative board and then apologized and we never attacked.  A good example between the two mindsets, I would say.
How about that trickle up effect Obama's been touting....sm
how soon do you think those homeless people and lower end workers are going to be helping out the economy, hmmmmmm?????????

Think they're gonna be putting anything in your stocking next year?



Obama and the Palin Effect (by Deepak Chopra) sm

Obama and the Palin Effect



Deepak Chopra - September 04, 2008


Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.




She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses . In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence, selfishness, and suspicion of "the other." For millions of Americans, Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind. (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use before his arrival on the scene.) I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful here to understand Palin’s message. In her acceptance speech Gov. Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision.

Look at what she stands for:
--Small town values -- a denial of America's global role, a return to petty, small-minded parochialism.
--Ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair America's image abroad.
--Family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't need to be heeded.
--Rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.
--Patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.
--"Reform" -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who doesn't fit your ideology.

Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical, that minorities and immigrants, being different from "us" pure American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much effort and globalism is a foreign threat. The radical right marches under the banners of "I'm all right, Jack," and "Why change? Everything's OK as it is." The irony, of course, is that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of feminist progress. The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their own good. The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness.

Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum. The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives possess a shadow -- we all do. So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted? No one can predict. The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state we are in. We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.



www.deepakchopra.com


"spreading the wealth" is the Robin-Hood effect.
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I will remember that one...if you remember...thou shalt not kill. nm
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Angry Mothers and Trembling Grizzlies: The Sheehan Effect







Angry Mothers and Trembling Grizzlies: The Sheehan Effect
by Dr. Teresa Whitehurst


"Sheehan has been involved in protests against Bush since last year. She founded Gold Star Families for Peace...She said she decided to seek another audience with Bush when she heard his comments about the war last week, after a spike in American deaths. The fallen men and women "died in a noble cause," Bush said Wednesday. "Their families can know that we will honor their loved ones' sacrifice by completing the mission."


"Sheehan said she wants to tell Bush not to use her son's death as a reason to continue the war, and to ask "why (Bush's twin daughters) Jenna and Barbara and the other children of the architects of this disastrous war are not in harm's way, if the cause is so noble." ArmyTimes.com, August 8, 2005


For some, Cindy Sheehan's lonely journey through the shock and sorrow of her son Casey's death in Iraq is of no interest. What, they ask, is the big deal? One soldier killed, one mother grieving – so what? Mothers have no business meddling in the manly business of war, or expressing inconvenient, disloyal, unpatriotic feelings like grief or anger. Get over it, critics command, and think about "the mission" instead, a mission that "we should see through" so that other people can't make fun of us for "cutting and running."


Instead of focusing on one poor misguided woman, or on how many more Americans and innocent Iraqi families will be killed in this war, we're told to think about how great it will be when other people admire us for killing every terrorist and future terrorist in the whole wide world. Instead of thinking about the new fundamentalist Islamic "democracy" that Bush's war has ushered in for the poor girls and women of Iraq, think about "the good news" way, way down the road when they get used to wearing the burqa and live happily ever after. In short, Americans should focus on "the big picture."


But for mothers – even those who've tried valiantly to believe the president when he exclaims that the war on Iraq is a "noble cause" – there IS no big picture. For mothers of slain soldiers, there are only little pictures: their lost child smiling at 10 months in his high chair; riding his first bike without training wheels; opening Christmas presents (Hot Wheels, Transformers, or GI Joe); and making silly faces for the camera.


The little picture encompasses all those times when parents stay up all night with their sick children, or protect them from bullies, or wipe away their tears after a friend's rejection. It's not just the happy times that mothers remember, it's the multitude of little moments, little pictures in a parent's mind, of time and love invested in one's offspring. When this enormous investment is squandered by reckless military adventures that zip kids into body bags, parents are owed great compensation. And they are owed the truth.


Do George and Laura Bush ever imagine how it would feel if all they had left of their beloved child was, as Cindy Sheehan has, a few snapshots and an abyss of sorrow in their hearts? Must they suppress their natural compassion in order to convince themselves of their own administration's spin – that it's "worth it" when American kids die far away from home for reasons that have consistently turned out to be false?


Do the Bushes feel the earth tremble beneath their feet at the mere thought that thousands of parents of slain soldiers are beginning to ask questions, to see the folly for which their children died…to find their voice?


Cindy remembers the little picture, which is why George has been hiding from her. She is his worst nightmare, for she is not just Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey. She is Every Mother. And, no matter how uncomfortable it gets, she's not going to dishonor her son by saying, "Well okay, if you say so, I guess this war was worth my boy's life."


Support Our Wars or Else


What does it really mean to "honor" a soldier's death…and life? To say that he or she willingly died "to end terrorism" (impossible), or "make Iraq a democracy" (ditto)? Unless they were suicidal when they enlisted (I know one boy who was), dying in Iraq is not the soldier's "sacrifice" because by definition, a sacrifice is something that we choose and willingly make. Most young people never imagined when they enlisted – often for reasons their recruiters understood but their parents didn't, such as finding a sense of belonging, or escaping bad neighborhoods or dead-end jobs, or finding a way to afford college some day – that they'd be dead within a matter of months.


To swallow ridiculous, ever-changing reasons for the futile war that has killed over 1800 idealistic youths with their whole lives ahead of them is to take the easy, socially acceptable way out. Pro-war pundits and politicians constantly threaten parents with social disapproval and even hatred if they dare to question those reasons – and it's worked for a long time. Parents have felt pressured to mouth the hawks' lines, lest their love for their child be called into question.


What a devilishly mean but perfect system for subduing the parents of fallen soldiers! Politicians and talk show hosts threaten: "Support our troops (the war), or we'll accuse you of dishonoring your dead child." The last thing that worried or grieving parents can bear is the suggestion that they're "dishonoring" the memory of the one they love. And so they have acquiesced. They have submitted. Archie Bunker would be pleased: Like Edith, they've learned to stifle themselves.


Until now.


Protective Fury: The Tipping Point


One day, back when Americans lived in peace and we'd never even heard of the Bush dynasty or the plotting neocons whose reckless ambitions it would serve, I was watching a nature show about grizzly bears in their natural habitat. I will never forget one particularly electrifying scene that comes to mind whenever I hear about Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside Mr. Bush's gated compound.


A large male grizzly came upon two adorable little grizzly cubs, who looked up at him with wonder and naivete; clearly, they didn't realize the danger they were in. To my great surprise, however, the male grizzly stood bolt upright as though startled, then starting running away from those harmless little cubs. Why on earth did he do that, I wondered. The narrator explained that the male knew instinctively that there's nothing more dangerous than a mother grizzly who senses that her cubs may be harmed.


As the huge male ran off into the woods, the narrator continued: "While the male grizzly is larger and could probably kill the female, he knows that in the process, her protective fury would leave him seriously, if not mortally, wounded. Mother grizzly bears will fight to the death for their young, ripping the flesh of any animal, no matter how large, that threatens their cubs. Coming upon the youngsters frightened the adult male so badly that he ran and hid because the mother, unseen but without a doubt somewhere near by, could at any moment sniff his presence and roar into action."


Human males can also sense danger, and know very well the hazards of facing protective mothers – particularly when other mothers are watching, too. This explains why the mainstream media has worked so hard to make antiwar parents of fallen soldiers look pitiful, and why George Bush is hiding inside his compound, hoping that Ms. Sheehan will lose interest and go away.


But what the president doesn't understand is this: She's not going to lose interest, and furthermore it isn't just Cindy Sheehan anymore. Parents of servicemen and women all over the country are beginning to see the little picture again. This is the tipping point, a showdown fueled by motherly devotion that will embolden other families to start questioning the integrity and fitness of this administration and this president: It's what I call the Sheehan Effect.


And that's the worst news ever for a man who can only see the "the mission," the big picture, and how noble it will look under "Bush, George W." in the history books.


Oh my! I remember him well. I remember we used to call him...sm
tricky d!ck. He lost the election when he appeared at the first television debate against JFK, slam dunk! He was a very crafty, evil man in my opinion and the latest news reinforces my opinion even more. It was so interesting that he eventually did become president years later and proved to be a disgrace to the presidency.
Just remember

"the South don't need you around anyhow..."    from Lynard Synard "Sweet Home Alabama"


 


we each remember what

we value most.  I will remember the years of prosperity and delight of having such an intelligent, charismatic leader.  You can remember the blow jobs if you wish.  I  rarely think about JFK in the WH pool with bimbos, because he was so much more than that.  Just a helpful hint.


 


 


I remember one of

the other speakers - Britt Exhume.


 


remember that

song by Cindy Lauper "True Colors."   I see your true colors shining through . . .  If you cannot recognize inappropriate behavior in a statesman, you shouldnt be commenting.


 


remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJJN9qwhkkE
Yes, I remember very well. nm
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Uhh...if I remember right,
It was Michelle Bachmann who BLAMED Chris Matthews for TRICKING her into answering the way she did. She is undoubtedly unqualified to be a congresswoman...let's just get rid of her. She can get a REAL JOB.
You may not be old enough to remember......... sm
the Nixon administration and a lot of the news reporters these days aren't for sure, but I am and I remember how paranoid he was. He was really one strange bird! As far as the foul language, I doubt he could outdo some of our other more stellar presidents from years gone by. FDR was no altar boy.

Any person who takes a public office, regardless of the level, is open for public criticism. I guess that is the American way. But even though there may be damage done to our country, the ultimate time of truth comes between him/her and their Maker. That is one time of recompense that no one will escape.
remember 9/11?
Find me anyone in this country who wasn't ready to go to war on September 12, 2001. Where would we be now? And if you travel, you will find many countries still love America and what it stands for. Why do you think so many people come here from other countries? Having traveled, I have seen it myself.
Are you old enough to remember who
You and Fox News actually think that the former Iran-contra McCain compadre war profiteering arms dealing Contra coup financier, megalomaniac military man who holds himself above the law North has any credibility whatsoever? His notorious flagrant disregard for the boundaries of his own authority and self-proclaimed untouchable status flies in the face of any American with any respect for the rule of law. Get real.
Right. I seem to remember after
9/11 hearing about them being told to shave their beards and blend in with our culture/society.
I remember when my dad used to get
Back in the late 70's and early 80's, my dad worked hard.  He went to school and became a pharmacist in Flushing, Michigan outside of Flint.  I went to school and EVERYONE's parents worked for GM, Chevy, and other car companies.  There was just a handful of students whose parents did not work for a car company.  My mother's side of the family all worked for a car company.  Thank God my cousin, the last one in the family took early retirement 3 weeks before the big financial downhill with the US economy.  My dad used to be so upset.  He went to school for 4 years and became a pharmacist and still got paid less than people who worked for GM with no schooling, all FREE eye exams and glasses, free health care, free cars, free everything.  Boy did it burn my dad up.  We then moved from Michigan to Arizona in 1982.   
Actually if you remember
When McCain was ahead dow went up, when Obama was ahead dow would go down. It was a rollercoaster but we could tell which way the dow would go by who was ahead during the election.

With all the taxes the O plans to raise, most people are pulling their money out of stocks, and many are getting out of things that will raise their taxes. The owner of the Miami Dolphins plans to seel before the O takes office. The O's lack of knowlege of how the economy thrives on lower taxes, smaller government, and creation of jobs is going to be one of his downfallings (but unfortunately the country will suffer because of it).
You see, what you have to remember
that matters, to he!! with the constitution or anything else that may stand in his, or as Ms. Pelosi put it, *our,* way. Just like everything since he announced his candidacy that doesn't sit well with him, just sweep it under the rug and forget about it!
Just Remember
The "alternative plan" that 90% of the Republican Senate caucus voted for contained tax cuts only. No stimulus. Just tax cuts. This "alternative plan" would have cost over $3 trillion in lost revenue over the next decade, without investing one single dollar in economic stimulus.

It's hard to be bipartisan when the other party is insane.
You have to remember.....
he has only been in office for what? 6 weeks = give or take? For me (and undoubtedly millions of others) to see this change in our COBRA this fast is utterly remarkable. I have never seen a president move as fast as he has and cover ground as much as he has in such a short period of time. NO ONE can tell me he isn't "working." He is working his tail off. He talked about cutting all the BS spending in Washington and they have line itemed 2 trillion in savings ALREADY! I BELIEVE we will see some very serious change - some things not so fast, other things incredibly fast. I am impressed with what he has accomplished already after decades of ineffective leadership. I wasn't sold on the stimulus bill.....some of it probably won't be effective, but, we won't know until we see the outcome. I hope for good things.
Anybody else remember this?
I think an airline lost a law suit for adding on a surcharge for double-wide passengers.  They had originally tried to charge for two seats, but then changed it to a surcharge, but still lost a suit.  I don't think I'm making this up, but don't have time to research it right now. 
Remember...
James I-hope-he-fails Carville? Of course, that was before the towers fell, so I guess that doesn't count, huh? Please!
Remember...
James I-hope-he-fails Carville? Of course, that was before the towers fell, so that doesn't count, right? Please!
Remember...
James I-hope-he-fails Carville? Of course, that was before the towers fell, so that doesn't count, right? Please!
Remember...
James I-hope-he-fails Carville? Of course, that was before the towers fell, so I guess that doesn't count, right? Please!
Remember...
James I-hope-he-fails Carville? Of course, that was before the towers fell, so I guess that doesn't count, right?

Please! Talk about ridiculous claims!
please remember
that unemployed and under-employed are two different things. Wonder what the under-employed number would be. I have been led to believe it is quite high. I have no statistics on this and wonder if anyone else would know more about that.
Don't you remember what
Janean Garofalo said?  Any opposition makes you a racist.  Had he been a white guy, Bush....say...or McCain, then it would be perfectly okay.  Glad to straighten that out for you.
Thanks for your post. Do you remember

where you saw that?  It sounds very interesting, and I'd like to read more about it.


Your post was polite and responsive. You didn't spend your time immaturely calling others names.  Yours is one of two intelligent posts on this board, and I'd really like to read more about what you mentioned.  Thanks.


Remember Pat Buchanan?

I just watched him on Hardball.  He acknowledged majority of Americans are against the Iraqi war.


They were discussing Cindy Sheehan.  The only words he used to describe her were "authentic" and "has authenticity."  I was fully expecting him to slam her, but he didn't.


Wake up, already.  The majority of Americans are against this war.  Want to use our troops for a real, legitimate purpose and not some invented theoretical justification to get even with the guy who tried to kill your daddy once?  Put our soldierse on our borders with Mexico and Canada.  Let them prevent terrorists (posing as Mexicans because they have the same physical characteristics) from crossing our borders and KILLING US.  That would go a long way toward BEGINNING to fight terrorism HERE, where we REALLY need it, not in some foreign sovereign nation who posed no real threat to us.  Let them do their REAL job, which is to protect and defend America during a time when we've never needed them MORE to do just that.


By the way we remember who Casey is
He was the brave and valiant young man who gave his life for a JUST cause.  In fact, he believed in that cause sooo much that he re-uped to stay there.  It's sad that his mother can't be proud of him for that.   Well, the rest of us are proud enough to make up for his sadly mentally ill and duped mother.
Oh yeah, I do remember that
Nan was stalked mercilessly by a very, very rude and hateful person.  I hope yahoo got them...
Let me just qualify this, as some might remember me...
talking about affordable health care and I was able to make it, yada yada, are now thinking "she has room to talk, she is on hubby's insurance." Well, let me put that to rest. This is second marriage for both of us. Suffice it to say, I am paying out the same amount of money I was paying out before the marriage. Also suffice it to say, BOTH of us learned in marriage #1 to keep finances independent. LOL. Just clarifying that. :-)
I remember in the mid 1980s...

My clunker was in a coma, and I went to the Chevy lot and bought the cheapest car I could find, a Chevy Sprint.  (Didn't even have a radio when I bought it!)  I remember my 12-year-old daughter throwing a hissy fit and NOT wanting the car because it didn't have a passenger side visor mirror.  In spite of her vain self, I bought the car.  This car easily got 50 miles per gallon.  (Of course, I had to buy a mirror for the passenger side visor and a radio, as well.  LOL)


Whatever happened to the Chevy Sprints that used to be???  If they could build them then, why can't they build them now?


You are way too immature to remember
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As a mom of 3 young men, I remember
vividly the day my oldest left for the Air Force. He was 19. There was no war. Then son #2 left in the National Guard in 1991 during Desert Storm.

I have to give her credit for even being able to speak, let alone hold up under fire, right after sending her son off to war!
You may be too young to remember, but that is what..sm
they said about John F. Kennedy and we all know what happened with that election and Nixon's loss, eventual election, and ultimate disgrace to our country. Most would have said Nixon was more qualified and had more experience. What do you think?
Ewwwww - I remember that - sm
If it wasn't bad enough that that was disgusting what was even more embarrassing was when my mom had to literally explain it to my grandfather as he didn't know. Poor gramps, so innocent. HA HA My mom said its not bad enough that Clinton was doing it and she had to explain it to her father, can you imagine the parents having to explain it to their young children.
don't remember which interview

watched so many with all the political shows.  Can't even visualize the reporter.