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Provide a link to the document with that title. None of the official copies I've seen use the wor

Posted By: nm on 2009-04-16
In Reply to: You need to reread the title....... - 'Conservative extremists' is the title.... g

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Don't think you read the same article, THAT IS THE TITLE...see the link I posted...

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Would you please provide a link so we can see what it really says?
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Can you provide a link to what you are saying? Thanks. nm
nm
"Official copies"? Try the copies your PD
xx
Please provide details and link regarding the...sm
42 meth labs in Wasilla. I have not heard of this. Was it while SP was in office as mayor there, or what?

I truly want to know....thanks.
Interesting that you provide a link
directly addresses and refutes your allegations that Snopes is steeped in liberal bias.

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Is TruthorFiction.com a more reliable source?
TruthorFiction.com has condemned this anonymous attack against Snopes.com and lauded the website as an "excellent" and "authoritative" resource.

What's ironic about the claim that TruthorFiction.com is more reliable than Snopes is that when you compare the contents of the two, their findings rarely diverge in any substantive way (does that mean TruthorFiction.com is biased too?).

Where the sites do differ is in the depth and quality of their coverage. On Snopes.com the Mikkelsons go to great lengths to address the finer details of each text. They supply critical analysis, as well as background and contextual information. They cite sources.

Not to disparage TruthorFiction.com owner Rich Buhler -- who does maintain an up-to-date and generally trustworthy resource -- but by comparison his analyses tend to be perfunctory, and his sourcing minimal at best.

Snopes.com boasts a 12-year record of providing accurate, dependable information and analysis, and in that time has earned the confidence of the media, government agencies, the business community, and the general public alike.
Given all of the above, Snopes is surely the preferable resource.

You cannot type it word for word, just provide a link.
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PLEASE post links not copies
of entire articles -- the rules clearly state -- rules and regulations -- rules and REGULATIONS!!!!!!
Why aren't you getting it - Snopes is not a credible source. They've been exposed - link inc
They are not credible for putting out truthful information. It is a site run by a couple from California, Barbara and David Mikkelson. They met at an alt.folklore.urban newsgroup. This by no means is a site to find out truth or fiction, especially since the couple is very liberal and choose to put their opinion up rather than fact, and site things as hoaxes when they are not. They are a very liberal couple and of course liberals love this as it always puts their viewpoint in a favorable light, but again this is in no way a credible source. It was recently found that snopes had many things listed as a hoax, when in fact they've been proven to be true. There is another site with better sources and it is called truth or fiction. Attached is an about.com link for info about snopes. But for your everyone's information, do not take snopes to be the truth. Research for yourself with many other links out there.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm




</a><br /> semeni4 semeni4 is a cool boy!! <a href=http://curio-cabinet.mctry.com> Curio cabinet </a> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="I can see the title of her next book now...sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-can-see-the-title-of-her-next-book-now-sm-6328.html">I can see the title of her next book now...sm</a><br /> *The Liberals Took My Voting Rights.* She's such a nutjob! <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Actually, I believe it's an album title." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Actually-I-believe-it-39s-an-album-title--25667.html">Actually, I believe it's an album title.</a><br /> point you hoped to achieve by posting that? Or did you just think it sounded clever? It means "attention" or "careful," and as such, does not even address the issue. Please, do tell how a rumor about SP possibly trying to get someone fired translates to her "loving to fire people." Was there proof that she had someone fired? Or do you always believe everything you hear on TV and take it as gospel without looking into the facts? <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="I believe the title is "Holiness"" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-believe-the-title-is-34Holiness-34-55915.html">I believe the title is "Holiness"</a><br /> <P>x</P> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="You need to reread the title......." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-You-need-to-reread-the-title--57651.html">You need to reread the title.......</a><br /> xx <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Now here's the document and please take" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Now-here-39s-the-document-and-please-take-32588.html">Now here's the document and please take</a><br /> http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/028_Obama,%20Motion%20for%20Leave%20and%20First%20Amended%20Complaint.pdf<br /> <br /> I'm sick of having to find everything for you weak feeble O lovers who are led by the nose by your "leader" while he tells you how mindless you are and need him to take care of you. That really should be an insult but he knows when he's preying on the weak.<br /> <br /> Now, I'm sure you're quite capable of reading the local docket which says no dismissal has been granted.<br /> Please don't be lazy! <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Then document what you are saying" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Then-document-what-you-are-saying-34778.html">Then document what you are saying</a><br /> we should take your word that it was yelled when the Secret Service says they cannot find 1 person who heard it. Now who is fueling the fire? <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Exactly. You would think the job title would have given the Prez. a hint.sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Exactly-You-would-think-the-job-title-would-have-given-the-Prez-a-hint-sm-2377.html">Exactly. You would think the job title would have given the Prez. a hint.sm</a><br /> You know, Federal EMERGENCY Management Agency. Sometimes I wonder, no I wonder a lot about this prez and his decision making. <br /> <br /> Will 2008 get here soon enough? No telling what he'll do in a WHOLE 2-1/2 years.<br /> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="See inside. I can't figure out what to title this. LOL" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-See-inside-I-can-39t-figure-out-what-to-title-this-LOL-49932.html">See inside. I can't figure out what to title this. LOL</a><br /> <P>I just don't know a nice way to say this but those families that have babies they can't afford do so just to get on the welfare system. They certainly don't want that taken away from them. As long as they have babies, they won't have to work and live off the system. </P><br /> <P>What does Pelosi plan to do? Force everyone on birth control that have X amount of dollars per each child and state "You make $1 less than you're allowed to have this many children. Now you go on birth control." </P><br /> <P>Before you flame me, my husband's cousin did that. He was too lazy to work as was his wife...well, nah, she didn't have time to get a job. She was too busy having kids. </P><br /> <P> </P><br /> <P> </P> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="That is NOT in the title. More lies. Keep drinking." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-That-is-NOT-in-the-title-More-lies-Keep-drinking--57546.html">That is NOT in the title. More lies. Keep drinking.</a><br /> nm <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Here's the formal document" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Here-39s-the-formal-document-32517.html">Here's the formal document</a><br /> http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/028_Obama,%20Motion%20for%20Leave%20and%20First%20Amended%20Complaint.pdf <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="No, it is a static document........." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-No-it-is-a-static-document--51035.html">No, it is a static document.........</a><br /> You confuse adding amendments and "interpreting" the constitution. Obama wants to interpret it always HIS way when he knows good and well what the founding fathers intended. It is and always was intended to be a static document. The founding fathers did not design the constitution with the intentions of "changing" the interpretation as O sees fit. <br /> <br /> You don't believe in free speech? All you O lovers need to get a clue! As president, if you ain't got the backbone for criticism by the news media or the average American, you need to fold up your tent and move on!!!!<br /> <br /> He constantly brings up these guys, which tells me he doesn't have thick skin; he is a guy who just wants to get even and that AIN'T the kind of guy I want running my country. <br /> <br /> You need to pay a little more attention to our president and how many times he obsesses over these guys. He really needs to move on and do his job and stop spending his face time on TV talking about people I don't care to hear about. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Why don't you read the document " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Why-don-39t-you-read-the-document--57354.html">Why don't you read the document </a><br /> not for what someone else predisposed you to think it means. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="It does have something to do with the document posted." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-It-does-have-something-to-do-with-the-document-posted--57370.html">It does have something to do with the document posted.</a><br /> Rightwing radicals are basically being called racist because they don't like Obama and his his ideas. <br /> <br /> You can't compare those of us who are concerned about this country to those who just want to go after Obama because he's black. It's like comparing apples to teddy bears - you can't do it. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Looks like it's official..............sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Looks-like-it-39s-official-sm-45012.html">Looks like it's official..............sm</a><br /> <P>What we have all been thinking for months has finally been confirmed by "the experts."  We are officially in a recession and have been for the past year.  Why did it take them so long to finally figure it out?  <IMG src=http://forum.mtstars.com/smileys/pissed.gif></P><br /> <P>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97652641&ft=1&f=1001</P><br /> <P>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27999557/</P><br /> <P>http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/nber-fell-recession-year/</P><br /> <P>http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN02ELLSNA20081201?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews</P> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Okay it's now official - " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Okay-it-39s-now-official--55737.html">Okay it's now official - </a><br /> Your comment definitely has me thinking more vegan now. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="See message (unsure of a subject title to put)" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-See-message-unsure-of-a-subject-title-to-put--58860.html">See message (unsure of a subject title to put)</a><br /> I have mixed feelings. There are horrible things going on in the world and always will be. Some call it torture others do not. It's all a matter of opinion. The people who are interrogators are trained in how to obtain information from the enemies. We (you and me and others on this board) are not. What is your solution to this? What do you suggest they do to keep America safe? Do you have any solutions or suggestions? We don't kill prisoners - unlike our enemies. However, we must use whatever technique we can to get the vital information needed. We don't cause bodily injury, and we don't cut off their heads very slowly like they do. So, they think they are going to die, you know what...I don't care. Just get the information needed to keep America safe. Unless you belong to the military or any of these government agencies involved in this type of work, you don't really know what is going on. Sorry but sitting down with a nice cup of tea and some crumpets and asking them nicely is not going to get them to speak. I say leave the decisions like this to the people who are in charge of this and trained in this. More important things going on than to think about if we are hurting the feelings of our enemies. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Correction... *un* classified document." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Correction-un-classified-document--6115.html">Correction... *un* classified document.</a><br /> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="That's right, ignore a court document...." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-That-39s-right-ignore-a-court-document--18481.html">That's right, ignore a court document....</a><br /> denial, denial, denial. You care nothing about the truth. I don't even know if you recognize it anymore. Pathetic. Cannot let go of prejudice long enough to see the truth when it is in plain black and white, and resort to snide remarks when you cannot effectively debate. But there is no debate here...CBS on the one hand said she was covert, and filed a brief in court stating the opposite. They have a history of lying to suit their agenda. And you are right there with them. I know you are not ignorant...I know you know that a court document is not cooked. The only impression one can glean from that is that you know they are lying, but you don't care. <br /> <br /> And how does that speak to character? <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="DONT OPEN the above document, it contains" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-DONT-OPEN-the-above-document-it-contains-32694.html">DONT OPEN the above document, it contains</a><br /> Safest not to open ANY links on this board... things have gotten nasty enough on here to have been lowered to computer virus warfare. <br /> Insane. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Why should he? The last time he produced a document" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Why-should-he-The-last-time-he-produced-a-document-45316.html">Why should he? The last time he produced a document</a><br /> x <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Senate document 06-570 supposedly" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Senate-document-06-570-supposedly-43127.html">Senate document 06-570 supposedly</a><br /> verifies this info, but I searched and couldn't find it. Maybe someone smart can find this. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Document NOT to be released to the public? " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Document-NOT-to-be-released-to-the-public--57501.html">Document NOT to be released to the public? </a><br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT-BvWg3e1I&eurl <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="The document does not state that vets " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-The-document-does-not-state-that-vets--57685.html">The document does not state that vets </a><br /> I suspect, however, that you know that and are just attempting to stir the pot by posting ridiculous and intentional misinterpretations of what the document actually does say. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="I think it's official.....gay is the new black (sm)" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-I-think-it-39s-official-gay-is-the-new-black-sm--42558.html">I think it's official.....gay is the new black (sm)</a><br /> It amazes me that we can take such a huge step as we did in the general election and yet at the same time take away someone else's rights.  I hope this goes to the supreme court. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="The dark side of faith (title of article)" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-The-dark-side-of-faith-title-of-article--3625.html">The dark side of faith (title of article)</a><br /> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=100% border=0><br /> <TBODY><br /> <TR><br /> <TD bgColor=#ffffff><br /> <P><FONT color=#333300><EM><STRONG>(Considering how much importance the *right* religion is going to play in our future Supreme Court, I thought it was ironic that I found this at the Professional Ethics site. http://ethics.tamucc.edu/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/1656216)</STRONG></EM></FONT></P><br /> <P><A href=http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story?track=hpmostemailedlink>http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story?track=hpmostemailedlink</A><BR></P><br /> <H1>The dark side of faith</H1>By ROSA BROOKS<BR><BR>October 1, 2005<BR><BR>IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing. <BR><BR>This is the implication of a study reported in the current issue of the Journal of Religion and Society, a publication of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. The study, by evolutionary scientist Gregory S. Paul, looks at the correlation between levels of popular religiosity and various quantifiable societal health indicators in 18 prosperous democracies, including the United States.<BR><BR>Paul ranked societies based on the percentage of their population expressing absolute belief in God, the frequency of prayer reported by their citizens and their frequency of attendance at religious services. He then correlated this with data on rates of homicide, sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, abortion and child mortality.<BR><BR>He found that the most religious democracies exhibited substantially higher degrees of social dysfunction than societies with larger percentages of atheists and agnostics. Of the nations studied, the U.S. — which has by far the largest percentage of people who take the Bible literally and express absolute belief in God (and the lowest percentage of atheists and agnostics) — also has by far the highest levels of homicide, abortion, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. <BR><BR>This conclusion will come as no surprise to those who have long gnashed their teeth in frustration while listening to right-wing evangelical claims that secular liberals are weak on values. Paul's study confirms globally what is already evident in the U.S.: When it comes to values, if you look at facts rather than mere rhetoric, the substantially more secular blue states routinely leave the Bible Belt red states in the dust.<BR><BR>Murder rates? Six of the seven states with the highest 2003 homicide rates were red in the 2004 elections (Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina), while the deep blue Northeastern states had murder rates well below the national average. Infant mortality rates? Highest in the South and Southwest; lowest in New England. Divorce rates? Marriages break up far more in red states than in blue. Teen pregnancy rates? The same.<BR><BR>Of course, the red/blue divide is only an imperfect proxy for levels of religiosity. And while Paul's study found that the correlation between high degrees of religiosity and high degrees of social dysfunction appears robust, it could be that high levels of social dysfunction fuel religiosity, rather than the other way around. <BR><BR>Although correlation is not causation, Paul's study offers much food for thought. At a minimum, his findings suggest that contrary to popular belief, lack of religiosity does societies no particular harm. This should offer ammunition to those who maintain that religious belief is a purely private matter and that government should remain neutral, not only among religions but also between religion and lack of religion. It should also give a boost to critics of faith-based social services and abstinence-only disease and pregnancy prevention programs.<BR><BR>We shouldn't shy away from the possibility that too much religiosity may be socially dangerous. Secular, rationalist approaches to problem-solving emphasize uncertainty, evidence and perpetual reevaluation. Religious faith is inherently nonrational. <BR><BR>This in itself does not make religion worthless or dangerous. All humans hold nonrational beliefs, and some of these may have both individual and societal value. But historically, societies run into trouble when powerful religions become imperial and absolutist.<BR><BR>The claim that religion can have a dark side should not be news. Does anyone doubt that Islamic extremism is linked to the recent rise in international terrorism? And since the history of Christianity is every bit as blood-drenched as the history of Islam, why should we doubt that extremist forms of modern American Christianity have their own pernicious and measurable effects on national health and well-being? <BR><BR>Arguably, Paul's study invites us to conclude that the most serious threat humanity faces today is religious extremism: nonrational, absolutist belief systems that refuse to tolerate difference and dissent. <BR><BR>My prediction is that right-wing evangelicals will do their best to discredit Paul's substantive findings. But when they fail, they'll just shrug: So what if highly religious societies have more murders and disease than less religious societies? Remember the trials of Job? God likes to test the faithful. <BR><BR>To the truly nonrational, even evidence that on its face undermines your beliefs can be twisted to support them. Absolutism means never having to say you're sorry. <BR><BR>And that, of course, is what makes it so very dangerous. <br /> <DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="please note...the title line of the previous post were...." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-please-note-the-title-line-of-the-previous-post-were--22095.html">please note...the title line of the previous post were....</a><br /> sim's words, not mine. Refer to her/his post. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="You are correct, I got one word of the title of his book incorrect," href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-You-are-correct-I-got-one-word-of-the-title-of-his-book-incorrect--27338.html">You are correct, I got one word of the title of his book incorrect,</a><br /> and for that I apologize. However, the information I quoted from the book is correct, "Frank" is a communist. But, the fact remains, I never called Obama a communist. If I knew he was, I would not hesitate to call him one. I do know he is a socialist, and I call him one.<br /> <br /> No need to ridicule and call others ignorant to make a point. It somewhat dulls any point you try to make. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Did you notice the question mark at the end of the article's title?" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Did-you-notice-the-question-mark-at-the-end-of-the-article-39s-title--46765.html">Did you notice the question mark at the end of the article's title?</a><br /> Do you understand the meaning of "potential?" Imagine that. Judges have a "natural predisposition" toward complying with the DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE PEOPLE. What a crazy and novel idea. <br /> <br /> The truth has been out there for quite a while now. There is no THERE there. This is sheer lunacy, but hey, knock yourselves out. Nobody's listening to this garbage and the entire nation has much more pressing issues to worry about, but to remind you of them here would be a complete waste of time, in view of this myopic obsessive fixation of a marginalized tiny fringe minority of the GOP (which has been recently denounced by other, more intelligent republicans). <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="You miss the title of the file "Conservative extremism"? " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-You-miss-the-title-of-the-file-34Conservative-extremism-34--57502.html">You miss the title of the file "Conservative extremism"? </a><br /> xx <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="This started out as a three-page document....as of yesterday....sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-This-started-out-as-a-three-page-document-as-of-yesterday-sm-28846.html">This started out as a three-page document....as of yesterday....sm</a><br /> It was up to 103 pages long. The dems added everything but the kitchen sink, and we don't know the half of what they added, and tried to change around.<br /> <br /> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="It is a sound document based in fact. " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-It-is-a-sound-document-based-in-fact--57332.html">It is a sound document based in fact. </a><br /> As we can see in the archives of this very board. <br /> <br /> What exactly do you find alarming about it? What do you think is not truthful? Do you think that domestic terrorism does not exist? Do you think that nothing should be done to monitor potential threats to our safety within our own borders? Would you object so vocally if the report pertained to extremist liberals? <br /> <br /> Or did you not read the actual document and simply read Malkin's piece? <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Google has an official explaining for it." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Google-has-an-official-explaining-for-it--5016.html">Google has an official explaining for it.</a><br /> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/googlebombing-failure.html <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Former Reagan official: Is another 9/11 is in the works?" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Former-Reagan-official-Is-another-9-11-is-in-the-works--5307.html">Former Reagan official: Is another 9/11 is in the works?</a><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt><FONT face=Times New Roman size=3>(There is NOTHING this administration could do that would surprise me. <IMG src=http://www.forumatrix.com/smileys/sad.gif>) </FONT></P><br /> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style=WIDTH: 100%; mso-cellspacing: 0in; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 0in cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=100% border=0><br /> <TBODY><br /> <TR style=mso-yfti-irow: 0; mso-yfti-firstrow: yes><br /> <TD style=BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 5.95pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 5.95pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5.95pt; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; PADDING-TOP: 5.95pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: right align=right><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 12.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>March 16, 2006 <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR><br /> <TR style=mso-yfti-irow: 1><br /> <TD style=BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 2pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 2pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt><B><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 18.5pt; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Is Another 9/11 in the Works? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></TD></TR><br /> <TR style=mso-yfti-irow: 2><br /> <TD style=BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 3.3pt><SPAN style=COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>by Paul Craig Roberts<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></TD></TR><br /> <TR style=mso-yfti-irow: 3; mso-yfti-lastrow: yes><br /> <TD style=BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent><!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude--><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><B><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>I</SPAN></B><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>f you were President George W. Bush with all available US troops tied down by the Iraqi resistance, and you were unable to control Iraq or political developments in the country, would you also start a war with Iran?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Yes, you would.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Bush’s determination to spread Middle East conflict by striking at Iran does not make sense. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>First of all, Bush lacks the troops to do the job. If the US military cannot successfully occupy Iraq, there is no way that the US can occupy Iran, a country approximately three times the size in area and population. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Second, Iran can respond to a conventional air attack with missiles targeted on American ships and bases, and on oil facilities located throughout the Middle East. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Third, Iran has human assets, including the Shi'ite majority population in Iraq, that it can activate to cause chaos throughout the Middle East.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Fourth, polls of US troops in Iraq indicate that a vast majority do not believe in their mission and wish to be withdrawn. Unlike the yellow ribbon folks at home, the troops are unlikely to be enthusiastic about being trapped in an Iranian quagmire in addition to the Iraqi quagmire.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Fifth, Bush’s polls are down to 34 percent, with a majority of Americans believing that Bush’s invasion of Iraq was a mistake.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>If you were being whipped in one fight, would you start a second fight with a bigger and stronger person?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>That’s what Bush is doing. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Opinion polls indicate that the Bush regime has succeeded in its plan to make Americans fear Iran as the greatest threat America faces.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>The Bush regime has created a major dispute with Iran over that country’s nuclear energy program and then blocked every effort to bring the dispute to a peaceful end.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>In order to gain a pretext for attacking Iran, the Bush regime is using bribery and coercion in its effort to have Iran referred to the UN Security Council for sanctions. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>In recent statements President Bush and Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld blamed Iran for the Iraqi resistance, claiming that the roadside bombs used by the resistance are being supplied by Iran.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>It is obvious that Bush intends to attack Iran and that he will use every means to bring war about. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Yet, Bush has no conventional means of waging war with Iran. His bloodthirsty neoconservatives have prepared plans for nuking Iran. However, an unprovoked nuclear attack on Iran would leave the US, already regarded as a pariah nation, totally isolated. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Readers, whose thinking runs ahead of that of most of us, tell me that another 9/11 event will prepare the ground for a nuclear attack on Iran. Some readers say that Bush, or Israel as in Israel’s highly provocative attack on the Jericho jail and kidnapping of prisoners with American complicity, will provoke a second attack on the US. Others say that Bush or the neoconservatives working with some black ops group will orchestrate the attack. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>One of the more extraordinary suggestions is that a low yield, perhaps tactical, nuclear weapon will be exploded some distance out from a US port. Death and destruction will be minimized, but fear and hysteria will be maximized. Americans will be told that the ship bearing the weapon was discovered and intercepted just in time, thanks to Bush’s illegal spying program, and that Iran is to blame. A more powerful wave of fear and outrage will again bind the American people to Bush, and the US media will not report the rest of the world’s doubts of the explanation. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Reads like a Michael Crichton plot, doesn’t it?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto><SPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia>Fantasy? Let’s hope so.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><!--endclickprintinclude--><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt><o:p><FONT face=Times New Roman> </FONT></o:p></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><br /> <P class=MsoNormal style=MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt><o:p><FONT face=Times New Roman size=3> </FONT></o:p></P> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="It's now official. McCain conceding...sm" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-It-39s-now-official-McCain-conceding-sm-40365.html">It's now official. McCain conceding...sm</a><br /> My congrats also, even though it was not my choice. <br /> <br /> <br /> I just saw the first headline.....President Obama. <br /> <br /> <br /> It's his night to celebrate. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="It's official. HC has accepted SOS appointment." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-It-39s-official-HC-has-accepted-SOS-appointment--44081.html">It's official. HC has accepted SOS appointment.</a><br /> <P>Completed vetting process.  I think BC had to agree to withdraw from "day-to-day" involvement in his foundation to avoid conflict of interest. </P> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="HOORAY! It's official! I feel like the US just" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-HOORAY-It-39s-official-I-feel-like-the-US-just-48978.html">HOORAY! It's official! I feel like the US just</a><br /> <P>I propose that from here out, we all quit with the bellyachin' and become part of the solution, instead of continuing to be part of the problem.</P><br /> <P><IMG src=http://forum.mtstars.com/smileys/shake.gif></P> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Yeah, he thinks the constitution is a living document...." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Yeah-he-thinks-the-constitution-is-a-living-document--22520.html">Yeah, he thinks the constitution is a living document....</a><br /> somehow I don't think the framers had that in mind. lol <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="WARNING - dont open the above poster's document -" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-WARNING-dont-open-the-above-poster-39s-document--32615.html">WARNING - dont open the above poster's document -</a><br /> and it was a real beeotch to get rid of. Spent all evening redoing work it erased, and returning PC to prior settings. <br /> <br /> Nice. Real nice. <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Obama refuses to present an official " href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Obama-refuses-to-present-an-official--32495.html">Obama refuses to present an official </a><br /> !1 <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="The Official Web Site of the The U.S. Presidential Transition" href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-The-Official-Web-Site-of-the-The-U-S-Presidential-Transition-41726.html">The Official Web Site of the The U.S. Presidential Transition</a><br /> FYI. <br /> <br /> http://change.gov/<br /> <br /> Knowledge is power. <br /> <hr width=100%> <a class="ntl" title="Obama has never shown his official certificate." href="https://www.mtstars.com/politics-Obama-has-never-shown-his-official-certificate--44611.html">Obama has never shown his official certificate.</a><br /> nm <hr width=100%> </td> </tr> <tr> <td><img src="https://www.mtstars.com/images/bottom-left.jpg" width="6" height="6" /></td> <td background="https://www.mtstars.com/images/bottom-center.jpg"></td> <td><img src="https://www.mtstars.com/images/bottom-right.jpg" width="6" height="6" /></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> </table> <table width="1000" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="margin-bottom:30px;"> <tr> <td width="6"><img src="https://www.mtstars.com/images/footer1.jpg" width="6" height="45" /></td> <td align="center" background="https://www.mtstars.com/images/footer2.jpg" class="footer"> © Copyright 2001-09 <strong>MTStars.com</strong> All Rights Reserved </td> <td width="7" align="right"><img src="https://www.mtstars.com/images/footer3.jpg" width="7" height="45" /></td> </tr> </table> </body> </html>