Respectfully....I don't agree...

• Check obama out more thoroughly - anon
  • Problem is Obama supporters just do not want to - study his background thoroughly....nm
    • you're right, I don't - XanaX
      • Ohhh, things will change - sml
        • This is utter BS, but I'd take a socialist nm - Over a fascist...anyday.
          • How sad to hear that.... - sm
            • Freedom is an illusion - under fascism
            • Where are you getting these erroneous ideas? - sm
              • Obama has said repeatedly he will RAISE - taxes for MORE social programs nm
                • Obama's tax cut plan for middle class - Inside
                  • Talking out of both sides of his mouth - isn't he? How honest!! sm
                    • No. He can walk and chew gum - at the same time. sm
                • On individual incomes exceeding $250,000. - Just how many lph do you type? sm
              • *here's a link to that graphic, hopefully. - sm
                • The link is still missing. nm - Which above post?
                  • sorry, it was ''the erroneous ideas'' post. - sm
          • So, you look forward to paying for more social - handouts? nm
            • In response to your post...sm - and the one directly above it...
              • You're kidding, right???? - sm
                • This post is entirely too ignorant - to dignify with a comment.
              • wow, well said - i think i love you
      • Way to go - Yahooooooo
      • That is about the most ignorant thing - Chele
        • Ignorant? sm - I don't think so
          • I sincerely hope you are talking about the ... - sam
            • Smut is smut - But....
              • He is already promising redistribution of wealth and he ... - sam
              • You're right, all democrats are not socialists - but Obama is........sm
                • Response taken to the top of the board. - Thanks for that link.
              • Addendm to - These smears are a bore.
                • All you have to do is read up on Marxism, read up on... - sam
          • Sorry. That last statement should have been - Directed to Xanax, not anon. nm
        • Like I said, Chele....WAY too Pied Piperish for me.... - sam
          • I agree - McCain is a wolf. - for sure
            • Better McCain....at least he has basic American values still... - sam
              • They are both being controlled - for sure
                • Respectfully....I don't agree... - sam
        • Yep, the dems in congress won't do anything - sm
          • What would be refreshing - Chele
      • How refreshing...nm - A dose of good ole' common sense.

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I think you  have already decided for whom you are going to vote.  Otherwise why keep posting internet gossip about Obama.  I've already posted my objections to him and that can be summed up in 1 word, preacher WRIGHT.  I struggled with that for a very long time and finally decided I would take a chance on that, a KNOWN fact, enough to make me afraid of where we're headed under his administration without adding anything to it.

As for the place of Obama's birth and his birth certificate....do you REALLY believe if he wasn't eligible to run for the presidency the McCain campaign would not have obtained absolute proof of that???  Get real, of course they would.  So as for me...no problem with his birth certificate.

As for his past associations...of course he has associated with shady characters as has McCain.  McCain's Keating 5 was one.  Do you realize he is the ONLY senator who has been rebuked by the Senate Ethic Committee??? That's quite a record.

Obama commercials...I don't know where you are but the one that plays over and over here in Arkansas is HILARIOUS.  I can't tell you the content of the ad because both my husband and I are laughing so  hard. It plays often and we welcome the comedy.   It shows McCain and his expressions during the debate.  At the end is McCain speaking by himself FOR Obama when he says, "I've voted with the president over 90% of the time, more than even some of my party colleagues."  That in MCCAIN's own words tells me all I need to know about him.  I haven't agreed with Bush on anything since 9/11 when he stood up and made his speech....I became a Republican that day but it sure didn't last long.  McCain will bring us more of the same, maybe even worse.  So if you've done well the past 8 years and want to continue on that downhill path, by all means vote for McCain.  I'm not sure at all that we will like Obama's "change" but I'll take a chance on him before I'll vote FOR McCain.

Funny I have watched all of the debates and speeches and parts of speeches until I'm sick of it.  I have yet to hear Obama come close to what I would consider "playing the race card."  What I did hear was Palin "he isn't like the rest of us."  If that wasn't the race card I don't know what it was.  How could Obama possibly play the race card when he is half and half and raised by his WHITE grandmother, the one he says shaped him and I believe him on that.

Nov. 4 can't come fast enough to suit me.  Then I guess we can start blaming Democrats/Republicans for our continued downhill course.  What we lazy Americans, ALL of us, need to do is get off our lazy butts and do something that will effectively change the course of our country.

*...most of us on the liberal board do not buy *impending doom* theory that you live by.*

I personally will be fearful of *impending doom* for the next 3 years.  If I/we can get through that, then I'll be able to relax (a little) as hopefully more Americans will come to their senses.

the Supreme Court's decision on eminent domain, either, and I also hope that guy buys Souter's property and turns it into a hotel.  I love the name of the restaurant he wants to build in the hotel: Just Desserts.  (I can't remember which TV show I saw that on because, contrary to those on these boards who already have me figured out, I DON'T only watch MSNBC.  I actually flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox.  I'm sure it was one one of those stations, though.)

And I totally agree with a woman's right to choose.

I do have a problem with partial birth abortions, based on my limited understanding of it, which is what I've heard the conservatives say about a full or nearly full-term baby being basically born and then "beaten to death" by the doctor.  (From what I've discovered from some conservatives on these boards in the past few days, I take everything they say with a grain of salt and accept the possibility up front that it's an exaggerated statement devoid of critical facts.)

But if this is indeed true, then I don't know how it could be considered anything BUT murder.  And I don't understand the issue regarding the health of the mother because if the mother can survive the delivery of a baby that can survive outside the womb, then the issue would seem nonexistent. (Again, I don't know that much about it.)

I also have mixed feelings about children and abortion.  One the one hand, it is a surgical procedure, and if my child can't even have her ears pierced without my consent, then certainly she shouldn't be allowed to have a surgical procedure without my consent.

But what about if she's been impregnated as the result of a rape by her father or other family member?  That sick stuff DOES happen in this country.  What if she knows she wants an abortion?  Should she be forced to have the baby?  I can think of situations where she might be safer if the parents didn't know, but yet I still feel the parents have a right to know.  I'm very conflicted about this particular issue and can't say I have a definite opinion.  That's why I'd like to hear more on the subject from some intelligent, thoughtful, nonjudgmental people.

As far as gay marriages, I admit I get a little "twinge" at the use of the word "marriage." It might be that something deep in my gut is telling me that marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman.  After all, WE invented it and WE wrecked it.  I think they should invent a new name for their unions because from what I've personally seen, gay couples seem to last for a very long time, much longer than some marriages I know. As far as whether or not they should have rights, why SHOULDN'T they?  I don't recall a day during puberty when I woke up and made the decision that I was going to be straight.  Likewise, I'm willing to bet that no gay person woke up and decided to be gay.  I just don't understand why people are so threatened by the thought that a group might actually have RIGHTS in this country.  As with abortion or stem cell research, etc., if they don't believe in it, they shouldn't PARTICIPATE IN IT. I'm neither pro-gay or anti-gay.  (A quick look in the mirror, though, reminds me that I'm definitely pro-gray. )

With all of these social issues, as you said, we will "stand in judgment with our maker."  That's between us and our own personal God, and those with different religious/spiritual beliefs have no right to shove their beliefs down our throat.

I saw a post on the other board referring to when the U.S. was founded, saying that the vast majority was Christian but that others were given "the freedom to others not to believe..."  

NOBODY can "give" anyone "freedom" to either believe or not to believe, and the fact that this poster thinks they can is either very stupid or very scary, and I'm not exactly sure which it is. I think this is relevant because I believe there are some conservatives out there who don't only want the law to reflect their specific narrow brand of religion, but they would LOVE to be able to control what people think and believe.

Knowing that Bush is going to appoint one (maybe two before the end of the year) new Supreme Court Justice(s) scares me because, as you said, our rights are being slowly taken away, and this man has proven by his own actions that the personal freedoms of others aren't things that he cares for much, especially freedom of speech and ideas. That's why he banned anyone who didn't agree 100% with his views from all of his "open town hall" meetings.

We also have an evangelical Senator who holds a public meeting in a search and says that liberals aren't people of faith.

First, it's freedom of speech.  Next, it will be freedom of religion.  What about freedom of "thought." 

I wonder what their views on stem cell research would be if it was discovered that stem cell research held the key to developing a new technique to control thought processes of those who disagree with them.

However, I don't think it's because of President Bush AND his DADDY. I think George W. came into office hell bent on finishing what his daddy DIDN'T finish and only needed a reason, real or invented, to "finish" it.  And I totally agree with you when you say that this was his personal agenda. I think the disconnect is that many people want him to focus on terror, but his personal agenda has always caused his focus instead to be on Iraq, and I personally am very fearful for the future of this country as a result of that.

I believe they will definitely find a way to twist it if some are found guilty. Under no circumstances will they admit that this administration could possibly do anything wrong.

It should be criminal to expose children to such hostility and insanity. It sounds like real violence could have ensued if these whackos would have been crossed in any way.

I almost feel for some of these people.  A brief visit to the Conservative board left me thinking I should have worn a helmet and worn body armor.  Although it's a scary place over there, it must be terrible to exist inside a body that harbors such rage and hatred every day, 24/7.  I don't understand what has happened to their religion, but my Christian religion still promotes love, tolerance, respect and the principles of the Golden Rule, all attributes that seem completely foreign to them.  All they do is trash others and haven't contributed one positive thing to that board.

Sometimes I think there isn't much difference between these people and the terrorists who attacked us and other countries.  They both exhibit signs of mental illness, a maniacal obsession with controlling what everyone believes, and they both promote hatred, violence and intolerance in the name of their respective gods.  About the only main difference I can see is that the terrorists, unfortunately, seem to be much more intelligent in their pursuit of their goals.

I had the same feeling about Roberts and I was glad to hear he had done this pro bono work.

Let's hope he really is a "good guy" with a heart and a brain.

With every day that passes, I feel less and less hope.  I've never been this frightened of a politician in my entire life.

And I wonder if we had stepped it up a while back, how much of this would be going on today.  The more we delay, the better they get at their "craft."

I wish we had never gone in there to begin with and think it's one of the biggest mistakes a president could have ever made.  But we're there, and we can't just go in there, turn their country upside down and leave without leaving them with some semblance of normalcy.  Those who said this is a quagmire were right on the money.

Anyone who has anything less than a hate Bush agenda should burn in hell as far as GT is concerned.  I too don't agree with Bush 100% on everything, but that does not matter to GT.  If you agree with Bush on anything you should not pass GO and go straight to hell along with Bush's Stepford wife and alcoholic daughters.  Am I painting that picture correctly GT?

I am a moderate conservative, and a Republican, although I'd consider a moderate Democrat like Joe Lieberman or somebody reasonable, however, the Democrats won't nomiate anybody like that, so my vote stays Republican. 

As for hand outs and hand ups... There's a big difference between somebody who is unable to work and somebody who is unwilling to work.  The individual who is physically or mentally unable to work, or the hard working family who falls on hard times for whatever reason that is out of their control, those people deserve some help.  Hands outs/hands up, whatever you want to call it should be viewed as a stepping stone to self sufficiency. 

I feel for the innocent victims (children) of those who embrace a lifestyle of just taking free money from those of us in society who work hard, but I havn't much compassion for able bodied young people who refuse to work.  If an uneducated person is working hard but not making enough to sustain themselves they can avail themselves of food stamps, WIC, free school lunches, and I don't a problem with that.  But, drive through a poor neighborhood and watch the young healthy people sitting on stoops and standing on corners doing nothing all day instead of working.  Whether it be pursuing their GED, or taking vocational classes, they should be at least thinking of bettering themselves instead of just resigning to a life of free hand outs.

I hear ya and yes I agree we should stay away..There are a lof of other political boards through the net, where we can discourse/debate with conservatives over ideas and America without being attacked like mad dogs (I hate to use the analogy as mad dogs as my dogs are much kinder than the conservatives who post here..smile)..

I think O'Reilly got a taste of his own medicine and was about to lose it.  I roared when Phil called him Billy, and Phil in no way denigrated Bill's nephew, but Phil had asked if any of O'Reilly's kids are serving in Iraq.  O'Reilly tried to use his nephew's service to detract from the fact that NONE of his own children are there.  I think that's what made O'Reilly the angriest:  The fact that Phil zapped him on that point.

And now that Libby (yuck! I should change my moniker) and Rove are both implicated in the Plame scandal, it will be interesting to see what Fitzgerald's findings are, and they should be coming soon.

I also agree about Cheney.  He's very scary.  There is definitely a very shrewd, conniving network at work in this administration, and Bush simply isn't bright enough to do this on his own.  And there are no standards of decency left on any level in this administration, which is incredible for the CONs, considering all they ever babble about is their superior *decency*.  For example, they blatantly lie without blinking an eye, as do some of their more dedicated followers.  If anyone dares to disagree with this president, the response it to DESTROY the opponent (not unlike what happens on these boards, only to a more dangerous degree, such as exposing Valerie Plame, for example).  Nothing is out of bounds any more.

I'm eagerly awaiting the results of Fitzgerald's investigation. 

Bush and his military brass treated this family horribly.  They did nothing but lie about everything.  (Big surprise, huh?)

They tried to use Pat Tillman as their poster child for recruiting purposes, but Tillman wouldn't agree to be used that way.

When I think if the incredible courage and integrity Pat Tillman had and I look at what a coward Bush was when it came to fighting in a war and what a lying sack of crap he is today, it's easy to see who the REAL man is, and it just makes me want to spit on Bush.

Murtha's words always seem to get twisted. 

He never advocated an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.  He suggested we redeploy to the periphery in an attempt to let the Iraqis stand on their own feet, with us still being there if they needed us.

Regarding the deaths of the civilians, he said that continued stress and repeated tours of duty can can take a toll on soldiers. 

As you said, I couldn't imagine what it must be like to live every single second of every single day, not knowing if the next step you take will be your last.  Regardless of whether or not these soldiers had excellent training, in the end, they are human beings and can only take so much before they crack.  Although I don't condone the killing of innocent civilians, I also can't crucify American soldiers, either.  I've never walked in their boots, and it must be terribly difficult to survive physically, mentally and emotionally under such extreme conditions.

Even if an investigation proves the facts to be as reported, rather than condemn them to harsh punishment, I think instead they need intense mental health treatment, probably for the rest of their lives.  I don't think a prison exists that could be more painful for them than the prison that exists within their hearts and minds. 

This was a very poorly planned war, and our soldiers are suffering because of it in the form of repeated tours of duty.  I think they deserve our compassion, not our condemnation.