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See my response above. And you are right - sm

Posted By: Kiki on 2008-08-29
In Reply to: I posted the story above....about the firing... - sam

I think both sides need to leave the experience thing alone. 


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Another classy response. I won't say liberal response,
because I don't think you and these pile-on posters are indicative of liberals as a whole. Don't know why they let you speak for them...but that is up to them. Obviously you don't think compassion is a personality trait...obviously you feel that it can be turned on and off to suit your agenda. So be it.
no response ....

No response

We are not supposed to cross post, so I am respecting the administrator's request. 


My response
There is no sound byte answer about Rev. Wright. I'll give you a hint. It has to do with the fact that men of his generation experienced life in America differently than the whites did. Historically, many black churches have been and are political forums, stemming from the days of slavery, when the churches provided a refuge where freedom of speech was possible. I don't know what Obama did or did not hear, and neither do you. What I do know is that he has written extensively about the confusion he had over the "black" part of his identity and part of his search for meaning, purpose and belonging in his younger days was played out in South Chicago. If you have read anything about the church at all, you will know that they have been engaged in many extensive and successful outeach programs in their community and I suspect his "association" with Trinity was focused and centered around that. Too bad a person cannot be judged but his deeds, rather than wild speculation, innuendo and smear campaigns about the company he keeps.
A response from.....sm
To the first 4 paragraphs decrying the decay of black leadership while attempting to lay the blame at the feet of the democratic party, encouraging blacks to bail and proclaiming the dawn of a new day for black conservatism, all that needs to be said is yeah, right. The proof is in the pudding. Black voters are backing Obama 94-1, according to this random poll citation: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1192 …6% stampede, and we have not even made it through the convention. Great big whoop.

The abortion graphics let us know that the minister is pro-life. OK. Fine. Next, we have this twisted accusation that Obama supports partial birth abortion. That is not his position on abortion, and it is laid out in no uncertain terms on his website and countless times in his speeches and townhall meetings. What he said is that he supports the notion that things should stay as they have been and that those issues should be determined on a state-by-state basis at the local level. Same thing with regard to same-sex marriage and the federal government not being in the business of defining the meaning of marriage, which he clearly believes is a union between a man and a woman (not exactly the most popular position in the gay community).

Yet despite this, the pastor insists he is champion of the gay agenda and the abortion "industry." Never mind that the democratic party platform includes many pro-active initiatives that conservatives will continue to obstruct regarding abortion prevention through sex education, birth control, encouraging and enabling single parents to keep their children with parenting education, job skills training and making adoption laws more user friendly. Most democrats perceive the conservative views on abortion as caring about unborn right from conception to the moment of birth. Beyond that, the babies kind of fall off the radar screen.

For this radical stance (i.e., preserving status quo), the pastor evokes the Barack HUSSEIN Obama slur and is all indignant that Obama puts himself out there as a Christian. Champion of the dead horse drumbeat. This guy is not looking real credible at this point. Performer, he calls him, doubting Obama's sincerity. The "God's on our side" mantra rings hollow as well, considering the conservative pathologic disdain for poverty and conflicts over notions such as the measure of a nation's moral character is only as strong as it's care for the least among us.

He then proceeds to twist the words of THE greatest black leader of modern times…MLK. The infanticide he referred to was the practice of killing female infants/gender selection in biblical patriarchal societies.…a practice emphatically condemned by the Islamic Prophet Mohammed in the Quran back in the day. Twist, turn, spin.

Lets see. Obama is evil incarnate because homophobic interpretations of the Bible do not impress him as much as the Sermon on the Mount? That would be the moral teachings of Jesus, to include the Lord's Prayer, the injunctions to "resist not evil" and "turn the other cheek", as well as Jesus' version of the Golden Rule. Other lines often quoted are the references to "salt of the Earth," "light of the world," and "JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED." These are the core beliefs of the Christian doctrine. Drag out the tar and feathers and hang him high for that sacrilege.

Then another call to arms for those 6% black conservatives, a 2nd reference to Barack HUSSEIN Obama. As for the upcoming black conservative youth, it is the youth vote from the remaining 94% blacks and whites alike that just might boost Obama over the top, last I heard.

Then of course, there are a few paragraphs of closing prayers. If this is what it means to be "right," this guy ends up making the Obama nation look better and better.

response

So you are saying all other media outlets except Fox are liberal and therefore cannot be trusted to provide accurate information.  Therefore, you can only get true information from their network, because they tell you that is so.  I see where you are coming from.


 


response

All the examples you use about being make to hate, if the individuals mentioned being indoctrinated resisted by using their minds to seek broader or alternative information could simply resist the information being forced on them and resist hating.  Poor sentence structure, I admit.


 


response

McCain did the same thing when he was defeated in N. Caroline because Rove used dirty tactics like push polls calling people and asking if they would vote for McCain if they knew he had a biracial baby.  McCain had to suck it up and stand next to Bush and announce that he would support him.  I thought he was ethical enough to resist using such tactics when he the chance to campaign. but I was wrong.


response

Of course I believe they can.  Luckily you tacked on white supremacists right there at the end or I would have been appalled at the assumption that non-caucasian, non-christian people are incapable of thinking for themselves.


 


response...
Both Bush and McCain supported privatizing social security IF a person wanted to...neither have advocated making it mandatory. Perhaps if that had been done in the first place, it would not have been a fund that a Democratic congress could have raided to fund other programs. I personally would like to have control of my own funds (except congress has already spent them) and put in a CD..not the stock market. So that govt grubby paws could not get at it anymore. But that is just me.

I think the operative word is McCain said he did not disagree. He did not say he himself would re-start the draft. In the world the way it is, if enlistment really dropped off, it might be necessary just so we would have the size Armed Forces we would need, should the need arise. That just makes good sense. A peace time draft might be a good thing...two years in the service might change the direction some kids might choose to go. Would also provide some skills training and the ability to go to college after their service...instead of gangs...instead of being on the street...learn a trade, get a job...I don't necessarily think it would be a bad thing. The Armed Forces have been good careers for a lot of men and women...the Armed Forces are not just for war. But again...that is just me.
The rep response is
lie, lie, lie and CYA.  This whole SP story is going to blow up in their faces.  At least, that's what I'm expecting, but sure will be amusing to watch over the next couple of weeks.  Joe Scarborough, a former republican representative, said he would have never chosen her with just 1 1/2 years of governership and a mayor of a small town as experience. The media is not expected to ask questions or interview Ms. SP at least for two weeks yet.  What are they hiding?  Why can't the media ask her questions?  This is quite as someone said before "a sideshow."  Very entertaining.
response (sm)

Let the oil companies bail them out since they directly benefited from some of the bad management decisions.


This would never happen.  I doubt the oil companies care if the US auto industry goes down.  If it does go down, then we will have imports, for which we will also have to buy gas (which would actually be a better alternative for the oil companies as opposed to us building vehicles that would not be dependent on oil).


Don't bail out the companies.  Give the money to the workers for re-education, etc., while the auto companies restructure.


Re-education takes time.  If these workers are already or soon to be out of work, they need jobs yesterday.  They have families to feed, and that can't wait for a new career. 


I think the best approach is to go ahead and bail them out (as much as that stinks), but set criteria they have to meet that would show re-tooling and progression to non-gas vehicles.  I like the Pickens plan myself.


You know, that was my first response too.
but would like to see him cut loose a little and put it against a contrasting charcoal gray shirt. I think he's a knockout....nothing sexier than a confident, intelligent man with a heart of gold.
and your response to GP was so much
Your original post to wasn't an attack on the pubs?  Hypocrit.
Response
Yes, we do only have one president at a time.

However, both the incoming and outgoing Presidents have a responsibility -- they are handling the nation's business.

As Obama comes into power, it is very transparent of him to keep the nation apprised of what he is doing, thinking, planning.

Good for him! I hope we hear from him every single day!

It doesn't matter whether it is Obama or it would have been McCain -- we need to hear what the incoming President is planning and doing.


response (sm)

Move to Russia----that's the problem.  If you guys are confronted with any sort of ideas that are not part of your belief your first instict seems to be to just remove it.  That's not tolerance -- that's segregation.


As far as kids go, I would challenge you to show me 1 child 4th grade and up (probably lower than that) that does not know what *gay* means, and homosexuality is not being taught in schools now.  As far as the TV, mine came with a remote with little buttons for changing the channel and a handy dandy on/off switch.  Toy dispensers in gas station bathrooms:  Yes, there are some of those out there.  However, they are no where near as common as you would make them out to be.


Marriage -- what is it to you if they call it marriage?  You do realize there are christian gays and lesbians?  The problem is that on this issue christians seem to think that everyone should live by their rules when everyone else has a different set of rules.  What about Muslims who are married?  Is thier marriage worth anything in your eyes?  They didn't get married with God as a witness as you would discribe Him.  I'm married and yet I'm and athiest.  Is my marriage worthless?


Christianity is an all or nothing proposition.  When it comes to laying down legislation for a nation as diverse as ours, that all or nothing mentality does nothing but divide the nation.


 


Response...(sm)
Whether you aggree with Al Jazeera or not, they are a valid news organization.  They show the viewpoint of others in the region.  In order to understand a situation I feel it is important to understand both sides of it, and then make an informed opinion.  Your unwillingness to even consider what they say as a different viewpoint is pretty typical of Americans, which in my opinion is to only concern themselves with the viewpoint that best suits thier agenda. 
Why is it that your only response....(sm)

to any discussion is just one-line BS?  Do you have any evidence to show that the people being held at Gitmo are what you say they are?  Can you show where this defense attorney is incorrect?  Do you perhaps have inside info on exactly what will happen to the prisoners?  Or better yet, do you even have any kind of rationale for your opinion other than your obvious paranoia concerning bringing the prisoners here?  There is the concept of us having to pay for their upkeep, but hey, guess what?  We're already paying for that.  In addition to that, how much do you think it costs just to keep Gitmo open, not only financially but in political capital as well?


Helpful hint:  If when responding to a post if you click inside the big white box underneath the subject line, it will allow you to type in a more detailed note, thereby, possibly (and I use that term loosely), giving more credibility to your posts. 


Well, at least YOU got a response.

I wrote to them, as well, and didn't receive a reply at all (not that I was expecting one of any substance).


I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who wrote to them.


Response...
1. You'll find it useful to look at the upcoming budgets and then re-discover the notion of percentages.

2. If unions infested the transcription industry, you might very well not have a job. Don't believe me? Tour Detroit.

3. Trash talk that typifies political discourse today, says nothing, doesn't advance your cause, and doesn't merit response.

4. More of #3.
Response...
You have a very narrow view of taxes, my friend, and obviously have no idea what's coming down the tracks.

We are already seeing increases in taxes (on everyone) at the state and local level, for one thing, and many more are in the works. Look for higher sales tax rates, higher car license fees...oh, who knows where your piddly little "increase" will wind up going?

You can't possibly - even if you're no economist - believe that the government can print $trillions and obligate the nation to $trillions more in debt and none of the cost is going to come home to roost on your doorstep. You're just going to float along while someone else ("the rich") pay for all of this, eh? You're a politician's dream come true.

Politicians count on people who will look no further down the road than this week's pay stub and scream for joy at the $23.48 increase. "Lord, let them never realize that we're going to take it all back away from them at some other level of government - and so much more besides", pray the politicians.


My response is --
President Obama's sequel came out during his presidency. His first book was actually released in 2005 before he even entered politics. The income was listed on his taxes that were released as a presidential candidate.

His charitable contributions were also listed, but the information I just quickly googled said his 2006 contributions amounted to a little over 6% of his income.

He was of interest to folks before he became involved in politics.
what is this in response to?
The original post was not about George Tiller or William Long?
in response --
I have been duly chastised and I accept that. However, i saw no need for him to be "protecting" himself. Noone was bothering him. They stool calmly by and watched him do what he did. Secondly, there was no need to cut the flag down, he could have just removed it. Then, as he removed it, he could have folded it in some way other than just wadding it into a ball.

There was never any confrontation wher he had to be scared or feel threatened - so that is not an adequate defense. I understand that he was upset, I agree that he very well should have been, and I myself am upset about the way things are going in this country and the things that are being allowed to happen.

Yes, I very well do get it!!!
Thanks for an intelligent response
and for the information you supplied. 
Sorry. This was supposed to be in response to LOL
Someone should actually read an article before saying untrue things about it.  But that doesn't surprise me.  It's in line with the way this administration lies about everything.
Nasty response, I see.
You became nasty.  Too bad.  Guess you couldn't help yourself and couldn't stay reasonable and even-handed for more than a post or two. I was starting to think I'd been too hard with my thinking that some of the conservative posters were...well...kind of mean-spirited.  Apparently I was wrong.
shameful response
But..you see, we liberals arent supposed to point fingers or ask questions, at least that is what the radical right wing is spouting..however, there is no doubt if there was a democrat in the White House, the radical right wing would be asking for his head on a silver platter. 
vs, I don't think this response was directed at you...nm

The obvious response would be
if it bothers you so much, why do you watch it?  I assume you possess free will.   No big bad mean Republican has super-glued your dial to Fox News, I am assuming? 
My response is to Hmmmmm.

 who hates cats, blah blah blah and the woman accuser/suer who insists that the cat be euthanized. I don't think the owner was the one who brought this to the public forum. There are many things that can be done other than killing the cat as the first and only measure. I read that the cat was being kept confined to home but this was not okay with the accuser. She wants the cat euthanized, nothing less. So.......the extremes I see are a woman who will not agree to consider compromise and another person who hates cats because they behave as they have been designed by the Almighty to behave. I do agree that those who drop off animals somewhere rather than take them to the pound fit into the dangerous category (no pun intended) as well. It makes me wonder how they treat their kids or neighbors. These are the cats who become a nuisance. It takes one generation for a cat to become feral and in order to survive they hunt for prey....also not a rocket scientist level deduction. These cats carry disease because of the prey they kill and the fact that no one is taking care of them so they obviously are not vetted. Usually these cats would rather walk on broken glass than even approach a human and that is 1 good thing. But again, it is the people, not the animals, who are the culprits.  Lewis, the cat in question, however, can be kept housebound. The cat can be declawed and defanged (cruel and unusual punishment but it is done and I suppose it is better than being dead). The cat can be medicated...also just a better-than-dead solution.  People who feel extremely negative towards animals and would just as soon kill them as look at them as a viable and even desirable solution are those Francis, Kant, Gandhi and I are referring to. I could go into the serial killer thing but I'm sure you know that.


About the response I suspected

You infer that you know how and where I get my information.  If you're so freaking clairvoyant then what are you doing here?


The elitism just oozes from you.


Thanks for a great response.

 I happen to agree with you, but does this also mean:


That all liberals aren't as bad as they are routinely portrayed on the conservative board?


That all Muslims aren't death-seeking people?


That extremist fringes in any group are bad?


Muslims are routinely portrayed on this board and by the media and by Bush as lumped together in one violent clump. This is unfair, untrue and does nothing to promote peace and understanding.


All religions need to be respected and tolerated in America. Isn't that what America is supposed to stand for?


I should not be surprised by your response. sm
But I have to admit it sickens me more than a little.  People like Ward Chamberlain, who has not been found to be a plagiarist, a liar (he is NOT Native American) and he made up his service record, among other things, don't deserve to be defended.  Unless you are a socialist and have no problem with liars and thieves.  I guess that says it all. 
Wow! Loooong response there....
Honestly, I am not even going to take the time to read it.  It would take too much effort for something I care little about.
Weird response...to say the least.

Response to Justme sm

Don't believe everything that you read in the news. I am certain that both Hillary and Bill are upset and dispirited after losing such a close primary election. But, the truth of the matter is that Hillary, in spite of losing so close a race picked herself up, dusted herself off and is now actively helping Obama in just a very short couple of weeks. Bill will too.  The goal here is to get Obama elected. The Clinton's are Democratic party members first and foremost and know full well what the stakes are in this election.


Give the Clinton's credit. They are not out to "get" Obama and will be a huge help to him in uniting the party behind him.


It's quite an emotionally tough thing to go out campaigning for 15+ months, get that close and within a very short period of time start actively endorsing another candidate, yet they are doing just that.


I don't think you could ask more of either of one of  them. They are doing the right thing here, and doing it very quickly. 


Thanks for your response. That is probably what would happen....
just did not know for sure.
Taking this response
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In response to your post...sm
Now let's see. In the absence of a living minimum wage, benefits for impoverished Americans to provide health care, food security, subsistence income for the disabled, shelter for the homeless, low-income housing programs, educational/job training assistance, aid to families with dependent children/temporary assistance to needy families, provision of clean, healthy day care services for single parents who are attending job training programs
Versus
Funding for a delusional "pre-emptive" war/invasion of a sovereign nation and subsequent illegal 5-1/2-year illegal occupation under the pretext of WMDs that to this day cannot be proven, bogus claims of state-sponsored terrorism (the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis and bin Laden/Al-Quaeda, Afghani), the ever popular spread of democracy hogwash (i.e., lets bomb them into democracy) that has resulted in more than 107,000 fatalities that left millions of grieving mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, children, aunts, uncles, cousins and friends it its wake, the destruction of the country's infrastructure and most cherished religious/historical shrines, the installation of countless private war profiteers/mercenaries (are we that greedy and that desperate to increase corporate profits?), the rising gas prices, runaway inflation, collapsing economy, housing crisis, political divide, loss of standing in the international community, the loss of all moral authority/credibility and the embarrassment of a leader and his party's 2008 candidate who have the gall to exhibit the pretense self-righteous indignation on an international stage when Russia behaves in exactly the same manner, not to mention the multi-trillion dollar subsidy of Israel over the past 60 years that has created and supported their nuclear arms for that American military outpost, the resulting Palestinian body count that is nearing 2,000,000 along with all those who grieve their loss, and let's not forget all the other failed Middle East foreign policies that have destabilized the area to the point where Islamic fundamental governments assert their own justification for 9/11 and amassing their own nuclear arsenals in self defense?
Hmmmm. I opt for helping impoverished Americans with the war chest after the troops are withdrawn.

Response taken to the top of the board.
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Please read my response below. nm
nm
Exactly the response I would have expected....
if you see no difference in the way conservative posters are treated vs the way Dem posters are treated...I would not expect you to understand. It is not condescending. It is the simple truth. Your party preaches inclusion, it preaches individual freedoms, it preaches freedom of speech...yet those who post here do everything in their power to quell it, including piling on and attacking everyone who disagrees. And the more you refuse to back down, the worse they get. So they talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk. That is a double standard.
That should be our standard response to Sam! (nm)
No soup for you!
ha ha - that is a good response
needed that laugh today. Tx.
This is the third time this has come up - here's my response
This must be some email going around to try to slam McCain. This is the third time it's shown up on this board. Here's my take on it...

I’ve never heard Obama referred to as “exotic”. I’d like to see the reference. Even at that, that is a great compliment. Who wouldn’t have loved to have the chance to grow up in Hawaii (blue waters, sandy beaches, Luau's by an open fire, everyone’s dream vacation). I’ve also not ever seen any reference describing Palin as a “quintessential American story”. You have to admit that hunting moose is not your average activity for most Americans, but neither is growing up in the beautiful state of Hawaii.
Nobody is saying he’s an unpatriotic Muslim because his name is Barack. We’re saying it appears he’s unpatriotic because he won’t hold his hand over his heart when the Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem is being recited, and he has removed the American Flag from everything (only he and his family really know if he is patriotic or not). He just also happens to have been a Muslim (again only he and his family know if he still is). Besides, he should be proud of his heritage and not run away from it. On the same hand no one has said that being a maverick has anything to do with what Palin's children’s names are.
Nobody certainly has accused him of being unstable because he graduated from Harvard Law School. On the contrary. Most everyone states he is a very intelligent individual that graduated at the top of his class. We applaud him. As for your description of Gov Palin's schooling, can you make it sound like she is any less because she didn’t attend Harvard, Yale, or one of the elite schools (who knows where Barack got the money to go there). There are a lot of reasons why people go to more than one school. In fact in Obama’s biography it says he graduated from Columbia first. So does the article mention that Barack went to two schools? My husband attended at least 7 different colleges. All because they were either not offering the courses he needed or the location we lived in. But to put her down because of this is completely ridiculous.
Barack was a community organizer. That’s it! The term brilliant is how people describe him. Some may think he was brilliant and others may not. Seems the article is trying to make him more than what he really was. Also if you read up about his time as President of the Harvard Law Review, it was a full time volunteer position that functioned as editor-in-chief. And he was picked for the position because of his grades and a writing competition. He also worked as a summer associate, taught at law school, was an attorney, and is a junior senator. As for all the other little piddly and volunteer things he did you can prop it up all you want.
Governor (that’s right Governor) Sarah Palin has had an outstanding career. By the way, the article you posted was incorrect. She was not a “local weather girl” (quite condescending and that would be like calling you a “typist or clerk”). She was a TV News Anchor and reported on sports. She was a member of the Wasilla Alaska city councel for 3 years and mayor for 6 years (which she beat out a 3-term incumbent mayor). She chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004, and she has been the Governor of Alaska for 2 years. She has cut taxes, balanced a budget, fought against big government (and won!). She has a 93% approval rating with Alaska voters and an 89% approval rating among all voters (throughout the US). She cut back on pork-barrel spending. She killed the bridge to nowhere project which saved millions and got a bill approved for AGIA. There’s much much more about her great accomplishments but people can research themselves. As for the size of Alaska…it’s more than twice the size of Texas, and the democrats should be careful about stating that Alaska was small, after all they were all for Howard Dean and his state of Vermont (which BTW Alaska has more citizens than Vermont).
Now it gets into the topic of marriage and this is where the article loses any credibility. Instead of comparing Obama with Palin, like it has been doing all along, it is now comparing Obama to McCain. Wouldn’t you think this odd? The truth is…
Barack and Michelle have been married for 19 years and they have 2 beautiful daughters.
Todd and Sarah have been married for 20 years and they have 5 beautiful children.
John and Cindy have been married for 28 years and they have 7 beautiful children.
As for John cheating on his first wife and leaving her because “she was not pretty” (one other poster stated that) you don’t know. Nobody knows anything about the first marriage, and nobody knows what his first wife was doing to him while he was in war away from home. Besides, out of the settlement his first wife was given 2 homes, all medical expenses paid the rest of her life, and she is the one who granted him the divorce and they have remained on good terms since.
Teaching young children in kindergarten about having safe sex is NOT responsible. I don’t care what anyone says. This is not the age we should be teaching kids. Sheesh! Let them learn how to read first before teaching them how to have sex! The fact is she did not advocate abstinence only with no other sex education option. As for her daughter becoming pregnant. Since when should she be responsible for what her daughter does. Her daughter is old enough to know what she wants in life and if she wants to have a baby there is nothing her mother or father can do, but to put the responsibility on Sarah that her daughter is pregnant?
Nobody has ever said anything about Michelle’s family values. The reason people said anything about Michelle is because she announced to the country that she has never been proud of her country. ONLY after Obama started running for president did she become “proud”. However the democrats are pretty good at attacking Gov. Palins family values because her daughter is pregnant and because she chose to have a baby with Down’s syndrome instead of aborting him.
And why was it was okay to be saying that Bill Clinton could be “first dude”, but now it’s not okay that Todd Palin will be “first dude”. Utter nonsense. Besides. There is no title for the spouse of the VP. Never has been. But I guess the people who think it’s “kewl” made that one up. Speaking of which we won’t even go into the “first dude’s” past history unless you want to drudge back up all of Bill Clintons past (after all you were all okay with him being “first dude”. And so what that Todd didn’t register to vote until 25. You act as though that’s a crime. I don’t blame him at all. With the choices we have had in the past I did not register and didn’t vote either. And to pull up that he doesn’t have a college education. Since when was that a requisite for being a spouse to the vice president. That is the most egotistical statement I’ve ever heard. So instead of sitting at a desk 8 hours a day, learning to be brainwashed by the instructors and become good at taking tests, he worked for a living to support a family. He is a commercial fisherman, oil field worker, and a member of the United Steelworker. He’s worked 18 years for an oil company in the fields. I’d say a lot more important than sitting in a classroom with your fellow “dudes” while eating Doritos, drinking beer and “cramming” for the next test.

So, it that a little more clear now.

Three times with this article is enough! It goes to show what ignorance there is in this country.

This is your typical response from the
Obama Kool-Aid drinkers. They cannot and will not face the truth, they only want to argue. So what if this is just an example. So is Joe the Plumber. He is just a man who asked a simple question. He never said he was a licensed master plumber making 250,000 a year. He did not go to Obama to ask the question, just happened to be there. Oh, sorry, wrong subject. Anyway, stereotypical response.
I have just one thing to say in response

Obama's first order of business would be, if elected, is to the FOCA into law. 


That's enough for me not to vote for him and any vote for McCain is a vote against Obama, ergo I am voting for McCain.


At least I can sleep at night.


You're response
sounds racist to me.
There was nothing about Obama's response
"upset" dems, since it was totally consistent with what he had been saying all along and with what was posted up on his website. Being questioned like that at a rally was also status quo par for the course. The rub came when it was discovered just how disingenuous Joe the unlicensed was being when he presented himself as a bona fide plumber interested in buying his boss's business...apparently NOT, as we can all observe from his behavior subsequent to the episode.

When the details of his own financial situation emerged, he became a legitimate subject of viable political debate, since he falls into the category of citizens that would most benefit from Obama's tax plan and other policies yet, like many, many other republicans, he is simply too stupid to realize it. The more the pub party tried to elevate his status, the more stupid he appeared and thus, he became the fodder for much criticism and the subject of many late night comedy routines, a status which he truly earned.
Just a response to a few of your points......... sm
unless I get really carried away! LOL

"What's next, not allow people to marry if they have purple hair or tattoos on their faces, or how about multiple nose rings or a mohawk haircut. Where's it going to stop."

As long as it is a MAN with a man with facial tattoos and a nose ring who is marrying a WOMAN with a purple mohawk, I have no problem with it. Those things, while stupid in and of themselves, are not (with the possible exception of tattoos and piercings depending on how you interpret the Bible) against God's word.

"Once again you are following a book you believe in (bible). We all do not believe in that book. To base your believes on a book written by men who put in and kept out what they wanted to to control society...well I just don't buy it."

Okay, let me understand here. You don't believe in the Bible because somebody told you that it was written by man who wanted to control society, but yet you believe those who prepetuate that lie? Ooookkkkaaaayyyyy.

"As for affecting your life. Maybe we need to start teaching children about tolerance. Explain to them about gay couples and straight couples, and teach them to love their neighbors. Teach them not to ridicule people for the way they want to live their lives. I am glad we are seeing more and more on TV. People need to start being tolerant and learning to live in this century. Teach your kids and if they decide that that is the lifestyle they want to live when they are older then love them for who they are and not who you fear. "

Thanks to the homosexual agenda that is plastered on the news and newspapers every day, I do have to teach my children about homosexuality AND THAT IT IS WRONG at a much younger age than I would have liked to. I didn't learn what a homosexual was until I was in high school and only then because there was an effeminate young man who was said to have been gay. Whether he was or was not, I don't know, but I had never heard of the words people used to describe him before then....and those words certainly wasn't "gay" or "homosexual." I do teach my boys to love all people. I also teach them that doesn't mean being involved sexually with someone of the same sex or with anyone prior to marriage. I also tell them that I love them no matter what and while I have never said "even if you are gay" I know I would still love them, even if I did not accept or approve of their lifestyle CHOICE.

"All I know is one day when I meet my maker he will say, at least you had an open mind and loved everyone for who they were, and you tried to educate people."

I know that when I meet my maker, he will say at least you tried to tell others about me and what is written in my word.

Okay....I got carried away. LOL