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Smart move on their part; looks like they are playing games with all of us.

Posted By: nm on 2008-10-22
In Reply to: Al-Qaida endorses McCain! - Educated Voter

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I'm not playing your sick demented mind games gt

You want me dead...admit it...you do.   You are one sick, sad puppy.


Go put on your party clothes and get to your local people died, so leftists can celebrate parties.  You admitted it was party time.  Go now...shooo...


Now you're playing Sarah Palin games--

I'm perfectly on point.  My reasoning is that there is no reason to fear 1 man, because it takes a lot more than 1 man to make a change.  Members of either party don't always back their party's bills.  In fact, a lot of them don't, as the case was Monday. 


The hard part for you here is that what I am saying is true and you don't want to admit that, ergo you would be admitting that there should be no fear.


New Yorkers are very smart people for the most part
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Exposed: Prop. 8 part of 'Christian Taliban's' move to make Bible the law

The Protect Marriage Coalition, which led the fight to pass an anti-gay marriage initiative in California, is now suing to shield its financial records from public scrutiny.


The lawsuit claims that donors to Protect Marriage and a second group involved in the suit have received threatening phone calls and emails. It asks for existing donation lists to be removed from the California secretary of state's website and also seeks to have both plaintiffs and all similar groups be exempted in the future from ever having to file donation disclosure reports on this or any similar campaigns.


Although public access advocates believe this sweeping demand for donor anonymity has little chance of success, it does point up the secretive and even conspiratorial nature of much right-wing political activity in California.


Howard Ahmanson and Wayne C. Johnson


The man who more than any other has been associated with this kind of semi-covert activity over the past 25 years is reclusive billionaire Howard Ahmanson.


Ahmanson is a Christian Reconstructionist, a devout follower of the late R.J. Rushdoony, who advocated the replacement of the U.S. Constitution with the most extreme precepts of the Old Testament, including the execution -- preferably by stoning -- of homosexuals, adulterers, witches, blasphemers, and disobedient children.


Ahmanson himself has stated, "My goal is the total integration of biblical law into our lives."


As absurd as this Reconstructionist agenda may seem, the success of Proposition 8 demonstrates the ability of what is sometimes called the "Christian Taliban" to pursue its covert objectives behind the screen of seemingly mainstream initiatives and candidates.


Ahmanson's role in promoting Proposition 8 has drawn a lot of attention, but he appears to serve primarily as the money man, leaving his associates to carry out the practical details. One name in particular stands out as Ahmanson's chief lieutenant: political consultant Wayne C. Johnson, whose Johnson Clark Associates (formerly Johnson & Associates) coordinated the Proposition 8 campaign.


Johnson has spent many years working for Ahmanson-funded causes -- such as the battle against a 2004 initiative to promote stem cell research -- and organizations, like the anti-spending California Taxpayer Protection Committee.


Johnson Clark has also operated PACs for many candidates supported by Ahmanson. It ran Rep. John Doolittle's leadership PAC, which became notorious for sending a 15% commission to Doolittle's wife out of every donation received. It currently runs the PAC for Rep. Tom McClintock, a strong Proposition 8 supporter who was narrowly elected last fall to succeed the scandal-plagued Doolittle.
Proposition 8


The series of events leading to the approval of Proposition 8 began in 2000 with the passage of Proposition 22, which defined marriage in California as being solely between one man and one woman -- but did so only as a matter of law and not as a constitutional amendment.


Proposition 22 was quickly challenged in court, leading to the creation by its supporters of the the Proposition 22 Legal Defense Fund. In 2003, Johnson Clark Associates registered the domain ProtectMarriage.com on behalf of that fund.


ProtectMarriage.com began campaigning in early 2005 for an initiative that would add its restrictive definition of marriage to the California constitution, but it failed to gather sufficient signatures and was terminated in September 2006.


In 2008, however, a reborn ProtectMarriage.com, flush with nearly a million dollars in funding from Howard Ahmanson and tens of millions from other doners, succeeding in getting Proposition 8 placed on the ballot and approved by 52% of the voters.


Proposition 8 is now California law -- at least for the moment, pending challenges to its constitutionality -- and ProtectMarriage.com has turned its attention to demanding that all 18,000 existing same-sex marriages be declared invalid.
The Ahmanson-Johnson Strategy


The partnership between Ahmanson and Johnson, however, did not begin in 2003 or even in 2000. It goes back to at least 1983, if not earlier, and has been a continuing factor in California politics for the last 25 years.


In a 1994 article on Christian Reconstructionism, Public Eye described Johnson's central role in an Ahmanson-financed attempt by the Christian Right to take control of the California state legislation. The strategy involved first pushing through a term limits initiative, which was accomplished in 1990, and then promoting its own candidates for the seats this opened up:


"The practical impact of term limits is to remove the advantage of incumbency ... which the extreme Christian Right is prepared to exploit. ... At a Reconstructionist conference in 1983, Johnson outlined an early version of the strategy we see operating in California today. ... The key for the Christian Right was to be able to: 1) remove or minimize the advantage of incumbency, and 2) create a disciplined voting bloc from which to run candidates in Republican primaries, where voter turn out was low and scarce resources could be put to maximum effect. ...


"Since the mid-1970s, the extreme Christian Right, under the tutelage of then-State Senator H. L Richardson, targeted open seats and would finance only challengers, not incumbents. By 1983, they were able to increase the number of what Johnson called 'reasonably decent guys' in the legislature from four to 27. At the Third Annual Northwest Conference for Reconstruction in 1983, Johnson stated that he believed they may achieve 'political hegemony. . .in this generation.'"


The mention of H. L. "Bill" Richardson as the originator of the Johnson-Ahmanson strategy is both eye-catching and significant. Richardson, a former John Birch Society member, was considered to be one of the most extreme right-wing politicians of his time. In 1975, he co-founded Gun Owners of America (GOA), an organization which is widely regarded as being well to the right of the National Rife Association.


Wayne Johnson began his political career in 1976 by working for Richardson -- and Johnson Clark Associates still operates a PAC for GOA's state affiliate, the Gun Owners of California Campaign Committee.


In 1992, Johnson and Ahmanson managed to help send a batch of conservative Republicans to Congress. Foremost among these was Richard Pombo, one of whose first acts after taking office was to introduce a resolution of commendation for the Reconstructionist Chalcedon Foundation.


In 2004, Johnson told an interviewer that Pombo's election was a high point of his political career. "There have been a lot of great moments, but Richard Pombo's 1992 upset victory in his first congressional primary has got to be near the top. The television stations didn't even have his name listed on their pre-programmed screens election night. Today, he's chairman of the House Resources Committee."


Two years after Johnson's enthusiastic declaration, Pombo was defeated by a Democratic challenger, following wide-ranging allegation of corruption, including being named as the Congressman who had received more donations from Jack Abramoff than any other.
The Anti-Homosexual Agenda


Although the Christian Right never achieved its original goal of taking over California state government -- which may be why Ahmanson and Johnson have turned their attention to passing socially conservative initiatives instead -- it has been far more successful in establishing dominance over that state's Republican Party.


In 1998, Mother Jones reported:


"First they packed the then-moderate California Republican Assembly (CRA), a mainstream caucus with a heavy hand in the state party's nominating process, with their Bible-minded colleagues. By 1990 they controlled the CRA, and since then the CRA's clout has helped the religious conservatives nominate and elect local candidates and—crucially—catapult true believers into state party leadership slots. ...


"From radical fringe to kingmakers in a decade — how did they do it? 'Basically, there's two places you have influence: one is in the nominating process in the primaries, where you can elect people in ideological agreement with your views, and the other is in the party structure,' says former CRA vice president John Stoos, a former gun lobbyist, member of the fundamentalist Christian Reconstructionist movement, and senior consultant to the State Assembly."


Stoos appears to come out of precisely the same background as Johnson and Ahmanson. He served as the executive director of Gun Owners of California and was also the chief of staff and a legislative advisor to Tom McClintock from 1998 until 2003, when he got into trouble for his over-the-top Reconstructionist sentiments.


In the Mother Jones interview, Stoos referred to Christian politicians as God's "vice-regents ... those who believe in the Lordship of Christ and the dominion mandate" and pointed to the repeal in the 1970's of laws against homosexual acts as an example of the need for rule by "biblical justice."


"The proof is in the pudding," Stoos told Mother Jones. "Since we lifted those laws, we've had the biggest epidemic in history."


To many who voted for it, Proposition 8 may have been no more than a nostalgic attempt to keep a changing world more like the way it used to be. But for Reconstructionists like Ahmanson, Johnson, and Stoos, it clearly represents something else -- a dramatic first step towards "the total integration of biblical law into our lives."


Nobody should play games with these
NM
You seem to be enjoying your dumb little games.

Illustrates the high intellectual functioning behind your posts.


That and the fact that you have been too many times to recount to not bash on this board and to be respectful. In looking at other postings I see you are unable to follow this very very simple request from the moderator. 


Is'n't it time to grow up a little, Nan and AG?


Good. Let the games continue. nm
nm
Go play your own games. Would rather seek
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Care to elaborate? What games? Seems pretty clear
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sounds like extreme liberal games to me to make mccain look bad...sm
I also think it's hypocritcal how burning mccain in effigy seems to be a-okay to the libs, and no one reports it.


think they're obama plants too...it's very plain to me.


Hey, thanks for playing!
I think most of us progress throughout lives from one avocation to another.  MT was not the very first thing I ever worked at, and probably won't be the last. (Especially if this VR thing finally finds me.)  But everything I've done, everything I've read and everything I've experienced has helped me develop. 
With all those cards he is playing.........sm
it is easy to see why he is not playing with a full deck of cards.
Just playing by liberal rules

It doesn't matter if something is supposed to be funny or not.  In the liberal world every statement is taken literally.  According to GT even thinking something stereotypical or racial should be grounds for dismissal from your job or worse yet a trip to the gallows, but in the next breath she posts a blatantly stereotypical article about our nations regions.


Oh did I take what GT said out of context?   Did other people take what GT said out of context?  Gee, gosh, sorry...but  cccording to the LIBERAL rules nothing is ever taken out of context.  If you utter the words like *black* or *abortion* in the same sentence.  Then you're a racist...case closed.


Don't blame us for enforcing your rules.  We didn't make them, but you have to play by them too, or we'll call you out... 


Have a nice night....


McCain is playing the "woman"

She has no experience at all...  I can't wait to see Biden chews her up and spits her out; hope she takes her Midol.


I cannot believe that bracelets is the issue here at all. 


Everyone is crying about the economy and Barack Obama says he's worried about us the middle class (which we are as MTs), and a bracelet is all you people have to worry about???  Hello??????????????


That claim is SO old. Anyone playing that old record
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And I'm not sitting playing the woe is me, pity
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The playing field has never been more level!

Thanks to affirmative action, white heterosexual males cannot get jobs especially when competing with a person classified as a minority.  Mintorities get college scholarships and acceptance into good schools so universities can meet their quota.  It's ridiculous!  There is a black man in the White House --- I think affirmative action has done its job!


It's time for everyone, no matter their race, be treated equally.  The best PERSON for the job should get the job.  The best student with the best transcipts should get the admission letter and scholarship.  There shouldn't be quotas to fill.  NOBODY should get preferential treatment anymore! 


Just leveling the playing field...(sm)

I thought it was about time for a left wing post to balance out those gazillion posts from the right.  You think its garbage because its from the left -- about the same thing that I think about posts from the right.


As far as Rush goes, it doesn't much matter if you aren't ga-ga over Rush because obviously those republicans that actually have a say in govt are very much ga-ga over him.  You did catch Michael Steeles' apology?  Priceless.


only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article.  This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
Playing dumb is not your strong suit. nm
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So playing the gender card to get votes
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On a level playing field that would be correct...
this is not a level playing field. I don't see her encouraging Obama to do town hall meetings with McCain...and after 18 months running for the #1 seat, he just this past month sat down with someone who was not in the tank for his candidacy. You really don't see how lopsided this is? Obama being inteviewed by the lambs and the left wanting to feed her to the wolves.
School vouchers would even the playing field.
Obviously, you've never had a child in the public school system in a large city.

Vouchers would serve to level the playing field for those of us whose children's schools have gone down the tube thanks to the influx of "at risk youth" (probably the most overused term in existence).

When a public school gets a FAILING grade on their 'no child left behind' (another bogus waste of taxpayer money) progress scores, those kids are allowed to transfer to another school.

Then guess what happens. The school all those inner-city kids are bussed to gets a FAILING grade the next year. So, it's a big fat wad of BS that 'at risk' youths are 'at risk' because they don't have ACCESS to a decent education. From my personal experience, and those of hundreds of thousands of other moms around the country, they simply drag the good school down to their level.

My daughter used to go to an A-rated public high school. Then the 'ghetto school' (the name the STUDENTS called it, so don't rip on me about it) failed for its fourth year and all these 'students' were shoved into the A-school. I guess someone thought they weren't getting their fair shake, and all that was needed was to put them in the 'good' school.

I'm sure you know what happened. That first year, there were countless disruptions for weapons on campus, drug activity skyrocketed, the campus became a 'lock-down' school where all kids' backpacks were searched, teen pregnancies went through the roof (on purpose, which makes me sick) and the students' grades plummeted. The A-school subsequently received Fs each consecutive year.

The kids who ruined their own school didn't give half a drip about learning anything. They slacked off in the back of the class, mouthed off to the teachers, and made it impossible for anyone to learn anything, as the teachers became wardens rather than instructors to deal with the disrespectful little delinquents.

My daughter is now home-schooled. Yet I still have to pay income tax and county 'school tax' for the little monsters who invaded it and ran it into the ground.

And it has nothing to do with color, before you get all high and mighty on me. My daughter's school was a pretty even mix of Black, Caucasian, and Hispanic before AND after the forced bussing. It's about the 'culture' of the kids that came in. To them, hip-hop culture is the only way to live. Gangstas and ho's - that's the ultimate career goal in their minds.

So let's not pretend that vouchers are undesirable. That's a fat, steaming pile of B.S.

Throwing money year after year after year at kids that simply aren't interested in learning is what really drags down the system.
School vouchers would even the playing field.
Obviously, you've never had a child in the public school system in a large city.

Vouchers would serve to level the playing field for those of us whose children's schools have gone down the tube thanks to the influx of "at risk youth" (probably the most overused term in existence).

When a public school gets a FAILING grade on their 'no child left behind' (another bogus waste of taxpayer money) progress scores, those kids are allowed to transfer to another school.

Then guess what happens. The school all those inner-city kids are bussed to gets a FAILING grade the next year. So, it's a big fat wad of BS that 'at risk' youths are 'at risk' because they don't have ACCESS to a decent education. From my personal experience, and those of hundreds of thousands of other moms around the country, they simply drag the good school down to their level.

My daughter used to go to an A-rated public high school. Then the 'ghetto school' (the name the STUDENTS called it, so don't rip on me about it) failed for its fourth year and all these 'students' were shoved into the A-school. I guess someone thought they weren't getting their fair shake, and all that was needed was to put them in the 'good' school.

I'm sure you know what happened. That first year, there were countless disruptions for weapons on campus, drug activity skyrocketed, the campus became a 'lock-down' school where all kids' backpacks were searched, teen pregnancies went through the roof (on purpose, which makes me sick) and the students' grades plummeted. The A-school subsequently received Fs each consecutive year.

The kids who ruined their own school didn't give half a drip about learning anything. They slacked off in the back of the class, mouthed off to the teachers, and made it impossible for anyone to learn anything, as the teachers became wardens rather than instructors to deal with the disrespectful little delinquents.

My daughter is now home-schooled. Yet I still have to pay income tax and county 'school tax' for the little monsters who invaded it and ran it into the ground.

And it has nothing to do with color, before you get all high and mighty on me. My daughter's school was a pretty even mix of Black, Caucasian, and Hispanic before AND after the forced bussing. It's about the 'culture' of the kids that came in. To them, hip-hop culture is the only way to live. Gangstas and ho's - that's the ultimate career goal in their minds.

So let's not pretend that vouchers are undesirable. That's a fat, steaming pile of B.S.

Throwing money year after year after year at kids that simply aren't interested in learning is what really drags down the system.
NO! You mean Obama is playing a shell game?
It's just too simple and too obvious.  All the obots here won't be able to compute that information.  It'll have to come up a bit 'em in the butt!
Stop playing the blame game!
There are millions of people who were not "sucked" into buying more house than they could afford. Unfortunately, many people got greedy and bit off more than they could chew. It is very easy to blame someone else for your bad judgment, but the bottom line is that you have to take responsibility for your own actions. Smoke that!
I am SO TIRED of minorities playing victim!
So the black firemen totally SUCKED on the test. Maybe they didn't study as hard. Or they weren't as smart to begin with. Or they got loaded the night before the big test. Who cares why the stunk on the test. The fact was they STUNK! I'm sure a lot of WHITE firemen sucked at it, too.

But, instead of people saying, gee, those guys sucked on the test, they decided to pretend like there was something wrong with THE TEST instead of the guys who sucked at it. For no other reason than a bunch of hard-working WHITE GUYS did better than the majority of other people.

Yet another example of how this country bends over backwards to help minorities. They don't want EQUAL rights - they want RIGHT-OF-WAY - as in - clear the decks, let the 'special cases' go to the front of the line.

It's pure and utter BS. Typical of the lunatics on the left to defend such racism, while still maintaining their oh-so-precious "victim" status.
Playing both sides of the field in case she gets in power...sm
Big business 101.
trust me...you're playing right into the media's hands.....sm
thinking exactly what they want you to think about her.

Doesn't surprise me a bit.
Notice how the dems are the ones always playing the race card...

and then blaming it on the pubs....typical.


Another one from the Conservative board. Is it playing nice to call someone an insufferable

I believe the whole thread containing this post should be deleted, since they are all along the same lines and contain personal attacks against people who don't agree with them. Fair is fair, right?


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You insufferable elitist snob. sm




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Posted By: MT2 on 2005-06-28,
In Reply to: Do you ever say anything intelligent? - MTME

I am sure they have had to widen the doorways in your house to get your head through it.  Get over yourself.  


Iran playing rope-a-dope with Obama...when will he learn?

So today we get these "conciliatory" advances from Ahmadinejad regarding their nuke program.  Only someone living in fairyland will fail to recognize this old ploy from Iran for exactly what it is.   Like Iran's invested $billions in their nukes and they're just going to throw it all away.


If Ahmadinejad can show that Washington is "negotiating" with him, he will shore up the position of his highly unpopular party for the elections in June.  He can say "Look - for years we've taken it to America, and now they're coming our way."


It will also undercut the democratic opposition in Iran if Washington has any truck with this deceitful regime, which has never been any more trustworthy than the most psychopathic liar that you've ever known in your life.  It will only give them more time to continue to work on their nukes, and will also undercut Israel.


Rope-a-dope is one thing, BO, but even Mohammad Ali's punch-stupid opponents weren't this easy.  Your kumbaya fantasies are incredibly naive, and frighteningly dangerous.


Israel, looks like you'll have to do the job again.


 


It's kinda fun to watch you playing mental bumper cars
NM
At least I am smart enough to know
tanks, but no thanks, on that 4 more years.
Then you were one of the smart ones.
Too bad everybody else had dreams of home ownership. Again, I say, it was the lenders who screwed everybody, promising them the moon, when they knew darn well they couldn't afford it. It's a shame some people don't use common sense.
B-U-tiful....and smart, too!
nm
She's smart enough what socialism is all
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Sam, you are so smart! -and I mean that, unlike
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Or not smart enough to have a legitimate
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book smart isn't everything
I've known a lot of educated people who don't know a thing about real life. Need some life experience and common sense to go anywhere.
I'm smart enough to know who is leading
smart enough to read an electoral map, smart enough to recognize the #1 campaign issue, smart enough to know that only losers will ignore the ecoomic meltdowm, and smart enough to give O my vote.
Smart girl.
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Well, I don't need Obama's help as if he is so smart
nm
when you claim you are so smart
it gives quite the opposite impression. When you brought up your intelligence, claiming to have an abundance, you opened it up for discussion, and my fellow MT, i take issue with you lording it over me and others.
Oh come on. Dems are smart enough to see through...
those things, AREN'T they? lol.
My parents were smart like that too.

My dad worked for GM for 30+ years and retired in his 60s only because he wasn't capable of working anymore.  They paid off their house.  They had one credit card that they paid off every month if they used it.  Dad had cash in the bank, stashed in other places, etc.  Now my dad has been gone for almost 2 years now and my mom is living in her paid off house by herself.  All that hard work that my father did to make sure that she would be taken care of after he was gone and now GM is doing horrible.  Not sure what will happen to my mother's healthcare through GM or the pension my father worked so hard for.  It is truly a shame if his blood, sweat, and tears of 30+ years didn't amount to anything.


A lot of younger people nowadays don't know what it is to work for what you have.  Everyone wants things given to them now and that is a huge reason why I have a problem with welfare.  It doesn't help the people who really need a hand up.  All of these government assistant programs will do nothing but make people more lazy and dependent on others to give to them.  I'd rather work for what I have and tell the government to leave me the heck alone, but that is just me. 


The average American has 10K in credit card debt and  think that is just sad.  My DH and I have one credit card and we pay it off every month.  The only thing we owe on is our house and it sucks that I'm terrified about losing it because the economy is so bad when my DH and I have been nothing but responsible with our money.  We just keep plugging along and hoping that DH's job isn't one of the ones on the chopping block.  If we keeps his job, we will be okay.  However, if he doesn't, especially with a new baby on the way, we are in deep sh!t!


Smart? (just kidding) nm
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just being smart alecky here, but
maybe trying to shed any bad publicity they have earned, or maybe just to get global like their favorite son.
If you truly believe that, then move to....sm
Iran. You sound like our enemies, just like Iran's terrorist leader....


I'mADinnerJacket (correct pronunciation, btw) said basically the same thing at the UN yesterday:

"The American Empire is reading the end of its road"









Then move along......
nm
They can't move on s/m
Ayers is the best they've got against this man that McCain himself said was not a terrorist and that he was a good man.  Sorry, it just doesn't square.