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Straight from the horse's mouth... sm

Posted By: m on 2008-11-28
In Reply to: bit mouth frog? - credible source? nm

Did you not watch the video????  That is EXACTLY what Obama said.  So now you are saying that Obama himself is not credible???? 

What I found even MORE ridiculous is what he said before having said "I am the change." 

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meant "through" the mouth of a horse
I'll wait to hear it from the horse's mouth. sm
Though it really makes no difference to me one way or the other.  I never considered him a Republican. I think he is a fiscal conservative.  He said on another link he is apolitical.  Should be interesting.
Mr. Dean talks thought the mouth of a horse
Yeah, like anything he has to say is valuable. This is the guy who screamed out all those states - HEEEEE-YAWWWWWW?

Mr. Dean is a spiteful crat to the bone and did not do his job properly. He didn't stand on the side of the people, who stood with the big money people.

If he's going to call anyone a murderer he best go back to Billy boy himself with those wars he started that he had no place involving the US troops. Lots of innocent people were slaughtered because of him back then and no he did not follow the Geneva code.
Nice mouth. You kiss your mother with that mouth? sm
No, and please try and comprehend what I am saying, gt broke the truce when she attacked me.  Can you comprehend that?  I was staying off your board until I saw that gt actually attacked me in a thread that ended up in a truce with another poster.  You are really really not a nice person.  I will pray for you.
I don't have a horse
and I don't have any boots.
you could always marry a horse
horse and pony

Hmmm........seems to me she has been decrying her innocence on this issue since it was brought up. What struck me the most during the convention when giving her speech written by Dubya's speechwriter - was the fact that she paraded her poor pregnant daughter in front of the masses - the girl looked terrified - and then they passed that tiny 4-month-old baby around like he had something big and stinky in his diaper (evident by the pained expression on Cindy McCain's face). I think they should be ashamed of themselves for USING her children like circus freaks. And.....Lord have Mercy........people are falling all over themselves for this soap opera.

high horse?
Oh, get off your high horse.... I'm sure you
have had nothing to say when McCain and Palin are being kicked about here. Your true colors are showing!
Horse feathers! sm
"This country was not founded on Christianity or any other religion." What cave have you been living in, JTBB?

The preamble to our constitution written by our nation's founders states that we are endowed with certain inalienable rights by our CREATOR. While it does not mention God by name, obviously the founders of this nation believed in a higher being who created this world and all that is in it. Washington and Franklin and Jefferson, as well as others, may have been deists rather than Christians of a particular religion such as Baptists or Methodists, but they did believe in a supreme God who created the universe. So please stop it with "we were not founded on Christian beliefs." It really is wearing thin.

A nation that trusts in God, as our currency says we do, enjoys the benefits of the protection of a benevolent and loving God. I don't think that we should trust in God just to be seen in any particular way by other nations but rather so that we may receive blessings of God so that we may be a prosperous and moral nation, something that we are ceasing to be as we are increasingly turning our back on God.
He's beating a dead horse.

Even Bush finally came clean and said there were none.  That's when the *reason* for the war changed from WMDs to freeing the Iraqis (while ignoring bin Laden in Afghanistan). 

I find it very, VERY interesting that his sudden *find* came less than 24 hours after PBS aired a very revealing show (*The Dark Side*) about the Iraq war, Bush, Tenet, Rumsfeld and Cheney, with the majority of the people interviewed being CIA agents, who generally had more than 20 years of service with the CIA, and they said some pretty shocking (but not too surprising) things about this whole war.  (If you'd like to see this show, you can view it in its entirety on line by going to http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/; I'd personally recommend it.)

When it's all said and done, though, regardless of how many facts are presented, Santorum could have declared to the world that there's evidence that Saddam had SLINGSHOTS, and some unfortunate souls on these boards would still say, *See?  We told you he had WMDs.*  It's really difficult to even be upset, frustrated or angry with them any more.  I just mostly feel sorry for them.

Obama, The Trojan Horse...
You are beating a dead horse! (nm)
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Better the high horse than the low road....nm
They just want to see us come down from our imperial high horse.
That's all.
You can lead a horse to water...
You can teach teenagers abstinence, but you can't make them practice it! Therefore, teaching birth control makes much more sense. If Bristol Palin had been given access to birth control, she wouldn't be in the predicament she's in.
Where's my dead horse beating stick???
The US went to war with Iraq for a number of reasons, including concern over Saddam's failure to account for WMDs, which put him in violation of the treaty that ended Gulf War I, and violation of several UN resolutions - I can never remember if it was 14 or 17.

If you really want an answer to this question, a search for the resolution permitting use of force in Iraq should be relatively easy. I'm not sure it's worthwhile, though, since the matter is essentially moot, since we are there now.

My question to you: There is a lot of discussion lately about possibly increasing troop levels in Iraq to try to bring the security situation under control. What are your thoughts on that? Do you support it? Would you support it if you could be persuaded that there was a reasonable possibility of success?

Personally, I'm a bit ambivalent. I don't have a problem supporting more troops, but I think it's as much a PC problem as a troop number problem in Iraq. In other words, I don't think US forces can do much to bring security to Iraq if they are forced to always act in the most P.C. manner possible so as not to risk offending any single faction or, heaven forbid, creating negative spin in the press.

I certainly think we could be effective there in securing the country, but only if we realize that we might have to leave a heavy footprint in Iraq in order to accomplish that goal. For example, I think we should have taken out al Sadr, even if it meant leveling significant portions of Sadr City, when he first became a major underming influence to the new Iraqi government. Some may think that makes me a flag-waving member of the Death Squad, but I have to wonder how many lives could have been spared in the long run had we stamped al Sadr out then, when we had a good tactical opportunity and could have done so fairly easily.

If we're going to send our troops over there in harm's way to fight for the security of Iraq, the dream of democracy, and the creation of a competing vision for the future of the Middle East, then we must let them fight to win.

Well, I wouldn't but that's what makes horse races. n/m

LOL I think that high horse is going to start bucking
and it's a long way to the ground.
if it were a "Dead Horse" the Supreme Court ...sm
would not be still considering it further, which they are. Perhaps that should be your first dose of reality.
Bridger, you put the cart before the horse. Read my

lips.  DO NOT post the entire article.  Post only excerpts from it with link to it. 

Do you want the owners of this board in a legal battle?  All it takes is someone reporting one of your posts for that to happen.  I am warning you for your own good.  If you don't care about the owners of this board, others of us do. 

Get a grip, will ya?  And, get legal.



Heroe..like - He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road.


I appreciate that question because I, in the state of Texas, had heard a lot of discussion about a faith-based initiative eroding the important bridge between church and state.

I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial profiling, which is illiterate children.

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.

The law I sign today directs new funds and new focus to the task of collecting vital intelligence on terrorist threats and on weapons of mass production.


Since Homeland security was a horse and pony show.....
there was really little Bush could do. But, he did promise to catch Bin Laden but never did - he invaded Iraq instead. I think Katrina gives a birdseye view on how a catastrophe would be handled by Bush. He screwed that up AFTER 9/11. Like they say - NEVER FORGET.
JBB, I like your thinking, but at the risk of "beating a dead horse," .......
Buy new computers = putting money in the economy = jobs for people to build computers.

Those computers are built in Japan, China, Korea, and almost every place in the world BUT the USA.

Just like last year when we got our "stimulus check." The only economies jump started, if any, were the ones overseas when everybody bought their TV's, computers etc.

To paraphrase, you can lead a horse to the facts, but you can't make it think. nm
What I do not like is what comes out of her mouth; otherwise she is
is quite pretty to look. Frankly, though, I have never liked real aggressive women like that - had too many in my life cause me too much grief and misery. They shoot their mouths off and then rely on their male partners to take care of the dirty work that needs to be done.

I especially have a negative feeling toward people in general who use their religion to gain power and money.
@$$ 2 mouth is not OK
Tell me - do you eat with that mouth? nm
And has the mouth to match....sm

I did not put words in your mouth....
if you are pro choice, and if you had to vote on the issue you would vote for it I assume...that means you support abortion. That is the plain and simple fact. There is no law now which states when an abortion has to occur. They can do it any time they get good and ready, beyond three months.

My dear kam, my "religion" does not tell me that a baby has a soul before it is born, my sense of morality and my heart tell me that. And just because you say a baby does not have a soul before it is born, that also does not make it so. If I am going to err, I most certainly would want to err on the side of the child. But that is just me.

Yes, I want state to state decisions to be made. That is what democracy is about. You hawk about choice, choice, choice. Every American should have the right to vote on this question. You want to allow a woman a choice to kill her baby, you don't want to allow me a choice to vote on the matter. Talk about hypocritical. Sheesh.

As you have stated ad nauseam, if a woman wants an abortion, she is going to get one, and I don't think having to travel to another state is going to stop her. Might be a little inconvenient, but I am sure those as liberal pro-choicers could set up buses, etc., to haul those women who want to have their babies killed to wherever they are killing babies.

You say you are not pro abortion...that must mean on some level personally you think it is wrong. That comes from your personal sense of morality, and since you are obviously not a "religious" person it does not come from God (although I do not believe that, but that is neither here nor there and not a discussion for this board). There are many people who are pro life who are not, as you say, "religious." They just believe that killing babies is wrong. The National Right to Life Committee is comprised of many non-"religious" people as well as "religious people." Believe it or not, there are people out there who just believe killing babies is wrong.

As to the SCHIP thing...that has nothing to do with the moral right or wrong of abortion. Why are you so concerned about health care of those children, and not concerned about the millions aborted every year? 98% of which have nothing to do with the health of the mother, rape, or incest? Why not limit abortion to rape, incest, or life of mother in danger? Why use it as a form of birth control? Because that is what 98% of abortions are. And if that is okay with you, so be it. I have a right to be against it, just as you have a right to be for it.

And, by the way, I also have a right to my "religion." Guaranteed by the Constitution of these United States of America. Just like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...there is no proviso "unless you are an inconvenient fetus, then all bets are off."

Have a nice day.
Not what i said at all...please do not put words in my mouth...
I have to say that now that Obama has said to pull out all the troops immediately would not be the thing to do, I feel slightly better about him in that respect. However, to say he would sit down with Admadinejad without any constraints...that worries me. And also what worries me is that in a nuclear proliferation talk when talking about getting rid of your weapons and Ahmadinejad..or Medvedev says basically "you first," he might actually do it.

Third...nuclear nonproliferation will only work if all sides agree. Russia will never give up its nukes. Ahmadinejad will never give up his nukes, certainly of his own free will he won't. Israel cannot give up their nukes..to do so would be suicide. If we give ours up...suicide. And I don't think Obama gets that. Sorry, I just don't. Not a slam..my opinion. And I have to vote on what I think and feel based on all I know...not what any party tells me I should do.
Shut your mouth......Or Else
You can tell as soon as she opens her mouth

I can already see through McCain's tricks.  He will play the "too harsh on the little lady" game when it comes to anything to do with Palin.  I say he disrespects women because of he didn't care enough to pick a qualified candidate, just selected one he throught may rouse the dems.  If he really had respect for women, he would have picked a much, much better woman than Sarah Palin, one who has much more experience and one who "takes care of things at home first." 

Obama is articulate; McCain is the same; are you not seeing that? 

All he has do to is open his mouth....
and stick his size 13 in it. But I don't see you criticizing him. Franklin Roosevelt on TV after crash in 29...only it was Hoover and no TV at that time. Oh I think that ad is terrible. But it's your ad. We did that? Yes, you did that. Well, then we should take it down. Read my lips, NO CLEAN COAL. Obama is FOR clean coal technology.

Still waiting for your critique of Biden.
Nah, we have to hold our mouth in a
different position in that case. Must have been something else.
Out of Richardson's mouth too (nm)
You must also believe every word out of his mouth, too...nm

Words from his mouth were

in the context of coal being the dirtiest kind of energy and how all energy providers will need to obey guidelines regarding clean air and greenhouse gases, including coal providers.

His "words" were as follow:

"This notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion.  We have to figure out how to use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon, how can we sequester that carbon and capture it.  If we can't, we will still be working on alternatives."

He said that if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it, that he thinks that is the right approach.

However, if the coal industry wants to continue as is without any changes, they can still build a plant, but it will bankrupt them to do so if they cannot or will not meet the standards that comply with clean air and greenhouse gases.

Clean air, what an evil plan!

But go ahead, spin it, flip it, and toss it around until it's upside down and carries the complete opposite meaning of the original true statement. 

Once again, I refer you to the link I posted previously, where the United Mine Workers of America endorse Obama's plan and reveal how McCain twisted it.

If the United Mine Workers of America are okay with his plan, then so am I.

Potty mouth? LOL.....

bit mouth frog?
Right from the mouth of an Obot.
Helloooo...try John McCain (sorry, if you don't even know his name I think you need to do a bit of reading up on him). The candidates where McCain and Palin, Obama and Biden. Show a little respect for all of them. You know the same respect you demand for OLiar, oops I mean Obama. What associations? Please site some sources. Delusion is for the Obots who spin in circles drinking the Kool-Aid not even knowing what issues he supports or is against.
So let me get this straight

If Bush changes his mind it's flip-flopping but if a Democrat and/or liberal does it he/she's just exercising his right to change their mind.

I just love pointing out blatant double standards which their seems to be a lot of in the liberal ideology.

What you fail to realize is that what is going on Washington right now is politics as usual on both sides.  Both sides are playing the game to some extent.  The liberals are just realllly bad at it.

So, let me get this straight...
The poster of sickened and fed up can post here and criticize and this is okay, but Think Liberal cannot defend the original post, and if he/she does, he/she is not compassionate? Sounds pretty one-sided to me.
let me see if I have this straight

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....


* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic,
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers,  a quintessential American story.


* If your name is Barrack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.


* Graduate from Harvard Law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.


* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first
black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive
that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law
professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with more
than 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human
Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a
state of  13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the
Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs
committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl,  4 years on the city council
and 6 years as the mayor of a town with fewer than 7,000 people, 20 months as
the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to
become the country's second highest ranking executive.


* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2
beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your
disabled wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.


* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the
proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other
option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen
daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.


* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a
prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community,
then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude," with at least one DWI conviction
and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once
 was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the
USA, your family is extremely admirable.


OK, got it! It is sooo much clearer now

So let me get this straight - sm
you get mad at people if they won't vote for O because he's black but your against someone because of their age? But to throw another wrench in you are for Biden when he's only a few years younger than McCain? The term I heard tonight that could correctly go into this post is "nincompoop".
Let me get this straight... you and DH sm
Make more than $250K and you are an MT?
I will be straight up with you on this one.

I'm a McCain supporter in this election and I will be voting for him.  Having said that, I don't think either candidates are perfect and I'm not sure McCain's economics plans will actually benefit this country right away, but I do know that Obama's economic plan will make our situation worse.  That is the main reason I'm not voting for him.  Taxing companies more will lose jobs...not create them.  Raising taxes during an economic crisis leads to worse economic crisis....just look at what Hoover did.  He raised taxes during a recession and it started the Great Depression.  FDR started several goverment assisted programs to help and they actually extended the duration of the great depression.  Obama wants to raise taxes and wants to institute new government assisted programs.

As for the allegations of him being born outside of the country....who knows.  He claims he was born in Hawaii and if that is the case, show your birth certificate and be done with it.  If you have nothing to hide, show it.  Ya know.  I feel that there have been many things that Obama has not been outright and honest about.  If any other politician had the associations and the history as Obama has had.....their political career would be in the gutter.  I do not understand this love affair the media has with Obama.

I do not trust Obama and let me reiterate that this is not a race thing.  I don't think John McCain is a saint and I do know that all politicians lie to get elected but I just feel like John McCain has served this country all of his life and I would feel more comfortable with him in the oval office than a man we hardly know, who won't answer questions honestly about himself or his associations, and has very little experience. 

So, let me get this straight.
Slander, infer, distort, misrepresent, fabricate, slur, smear, disparage, belittle, defame, deceive, falsify, slam, libel, vilify and lie about Obama night and day, ad nauseum, 24/7, for months on end but when his supporters (whose interests they feel he represents) TAKE THIS PERSONALLY, and respond in kind, this is mean? Dial back the dialog on the candidate candidate and you will be pleasantly surprised to see what you get from the other side.
Okay, so let me get this straight..

into poverty, but you don't want the money it takes to care for these children to come out of your pocket????  Am I on the mark? 

I guess this is another so-called way to sling mud at Obama.  The rich republicans can't have it both ways.  You either care for the unborn (welfare for their mothers) or you allow the mother the choice...  Which is it?

Not all abortions are a form of birth control, ya' know.  I knew a very religious lady that aborted her child due to hydrocephalus.  The child would been born deformed/a vegetable.  This would have put this lady at high risk.  She prayed about it and soon after aborted the child.  She had to live with that. 

Not all situations are the same.  Furthermore, you can't force your child to have a baby or to have an abortion.  Either way, it's her body.

So let me get this straight....

If the cartoon doesn't offend me, I am racist. If I didn't vote for Obama, I am racist. If I am not up in arms about something as silly as a political cartoon, I am racist. I have never dated or been married to a black man, does that make me racist? There are no black people who live in my community (it is very small), does that make us all racists? I do have several black friends, do I get a free pass for that? I go to movies that feature black actors, is that okay? I like to listen to the Motown channel on Sirius radio, is that okay? Oh, I like Whoopi Goldberg, Halle Berry, and I even think Michelle Obama is fairly attractive, do I get a free pass for that too? Oh, but I don't like Oprah, so that makes me a racist, right?

This argument is old as the hills and will never go away. To each his own, don't obsess about it.

Actually, MANY do think FOX gives is straight.