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Thank you for this post - loved it and to the point.

Posted By: kd on 2008-08-22
In Reply to: America was NOT founded by Christians...sm - Push Back

As a Deist myself I find you are right on!

I am so tired of arguing with the closed minded religious nutbags (my sister who newly turned mormon is the worst to talk to - she is so closed minded). The christians always have an answer for everything and they won't listen to the truth.

They also haven't researched who our founding fathers were and what they went through because of what they believed. I think Thomas Paine probably got it the worst. They were the most brilliant men in our history and I'm sure they are rolling over in their grave everytime they hear someone saying our founding fathers were christians or the country was founded on Christianity. Reminds me of when I was watching the O'Reilly factor (who is catholic) and he was trying to tell some Jewish guy that Catholics invented marriage. Luckily the Jewish guest called him on it.

You are absolutely right on - they were NOT christians. They were Deists. Beleiving in a creator does not make one a christian.

Thanks for the post!


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What a great post. Wish I could write so well.
Loved your post farther down on the board...
....the post about religions, etc. It's what I'd been thinking but much more eloquent and better researched.
I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.

Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming my world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction. They are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say?
I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.

Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming a world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not exactly have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction they employ in order to "secure" themselves.

The Palestinians are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say? This might just account for the lop-sided fatalities/injuries ratios between the Israelis and the Palestinians. In closing, it is worth noting that even with the advantage of all those terrorist toys and tools our tax dollars have bestowed upon them, security and peace of mind just seem to be further and further beyond their reach. Wonder why that is?
Did you see the point of my post?
These "techniques" are used everywhere. I am sure we will also see them in the RNC this week. This son can go ahead and say this about anyone and we are just supposed to buy that it is all communist related? He could have other reasons for putting Obama's name in there, maybe he is just trying to stir up trouble, maybe Obama is a closeted communist - who knows. I just don't think he proved anything by this letter, because these are "techniques" I have seen in many different events.
And the point of your post is....(sm)

to show what a "good little christian" you are?    What?  No Bible verses?  No holier than thou sayings?  No threats of he11? 


You might want to get with your twin, Patty.  I hear she has some reptiles ready for the handling.  You need a tune up.


Please point out a confrontational post. sm
Every post I have made has been to try and bring harmony to this board.  A sense of balance.  One need not push the envelope very far with you or gt to have a hateful, venomous response.  You might want to get some insight into your behavior. 
your post proved my point
My post has turned out to be a right winger nothing to attack GT fall back on that post thingy, LOL, so funny.  I love it.  Anway, isnt hell and burning in hell where xtians say we all go when we commit crimes, break the ten commandments?  Well, that is what I wish for this administration and Bush and his family.  It is obvious that is where they are headed when standing in judgment for this war.  But, hey, I get it, the old right wingy thingy, do as I say, not as I do.  The xtians can spout all the time about burning in hell but if a liberal says it, oopphhss..the worst thing in the world.  Right winger, Coulter can say liberals ought to be shot and publish plagerized books full of lies, but hey, she is a right winger, its okay, right winger, Robertson, can call for the assassination of a duly elected leader, but hey, he is a right winger, its okay.  Right wingers equals a bunch of hypocrites...  Anyway, your post to me proves my point of attacking and ranting and raving from the right wing.  *BIG HUG to ya*.
Any chance, there would be a point in this post>
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You missed the point of the post
I don't care what happened back in June, July or whenever. You just confirmed what I had said in my post and it sounds like you want some "pay back" for whatever you think you want it for. Who knows, and I don't care. My point I was making was I'd like to see positive posts. I'd like to see true discussions about the candidate you favor and why you favor them or don't favor them (and facts to back up your approval or disapproval). Over the past week I've seen hateful posts not only to Sam but to others who don't agree (whether it's for Obama or McCain). All I'm asking is the board to go back to what it was originally meant for...not a "fight club".
actually, Sam dear, the point of this post
who would have voted for McCaine will despise her once they know what she actually stands for
I too don't understand the point of this post
I'm not sure if you are trying to insinuate if Obama had anything to do with this. Tragedies happen and whether you are for or aganst someone trying to link them because they went to the same church to me seems absurd. That would be about the same as trying to link Tom Cruise to the Heavens Gate murders. It's an awful tragedy that happened for whatever reason. There are a lot of people filled with hate these days. Even DH and I were saying last night about the little girl in Texas that was murdered, how can someone actually have the mind to do something horrendous like that. But if your trying to link Obama to this, even though I don't support him I think this is quite far fetched and sounds like your trying to stir up something that isn't there.

You could probably take every murder that occurred and tie it in to something. When it is just a horrible horrible tragedy.
Your post illustrates the point....and I don't know.....
where you were when all the hoohah about the Bush administration doing it was going on...the liberal left wing media (which includes virtually every news outlet in the world except Fox, but Fox covered it too) had a field day with it..."more lies, more deception" yada yada...it WAS a VERY big deal in the eyes of the liberal left. But now that their uuberliberal godhead is doing it...hey, its no big deal...Bush did it. Y'know, I got the impression during the campaign that the big O would rather eat DIRT than do ANYthing Bush had done. LOL...well...how the worm has turned. Orrrrr are you saying that in retrospect, since now that your hero has done it, maybe it wasn't sooooo bad when Bush did it? LOL. Priceless!!
true, your post has nothing inside it. Your point please?
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Good post. I think you made your point!
Go McCain/Palin 2008
You dont get her point? I do! Was a great post!
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you missed the point of the original post
The supreme court has not ordered him to produce the original; they are simply reviewing the lower court's ruling regarding Berg bringing the suit in the first place. There is no order to produce the document. This is simply a measure that Berg and the other attorneys requesting the writ are now hoping will bring pressure on the electors to force them to demand the document be presented. But at this point there is no order to produce.
Applauding! What a great post, to the point and well written.

I don't think some people realize the seriousness of the illegally invading a sovereign nation for what is truthfully nothing more than regime change, after being dishonest to the entire world about the true reasons for invading this country.


If/when it happens, they still won't get it.  And if/when more Americans are killed by terrorists because this president was too stubborn to care about America first and refused to implement most suggestions of the 9/11 Commission, the ones who survive the next terror attack will still be kneeling down and kissing his boots because they are preprogrammed to believe this man can do nothing wrong.


 


Please point out one post on this board where a poster agreed with

as you claim, "examining the adoption records of Roberts, casting aspersions that his 4-year-old son is gay, that HE is gay (Roberts) because he didn't marry until he was 40."


Please.  Just one poster who said on this board that they agree with that.


You've proven that you're not here to debate.  You're here to keep the fighting going.  You were asked by Democrat to introduce a topic to debate.  But you're too obsessed on trashing liberal posters.  That's the only topic you've ever mentioned on this board 100 PERCENT OF THE TIME.  Look at your posts.  They're still here. That's the total extent of them, whining and complaining about the posts of liberals.  There isn't ONE post on this board from you regarding an ISSUE.


 


Thank you for answering her post with a liberal talking point. :-) nm
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A racial post shooting the finger. Must be a conservative thing. Point this out.
I just read the thread and don't know what the heck you guys are talking about.

Sounds like you are all just trying to be disagreeable, no wait that's why you continue to post on the LIBERAL board. I see, that's the point. Excuse me.
Do I need some kind of motive to post what I thought was a good read..and your point is..
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HA HA HA HA HA - loved it
The insanity drives me crazy.


Loved it...thank you!

 GO OBAMA!!


 


 


What I loved even better (sm)
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Republicans have been in power now for eight years and the Democrats did nothing but scream and yell about what a terrible job they were doing. Now that the Democrats are in power, they're going to have to get used to hearing that same screaming and yelling from the Republicans - it's just the way politics works =)
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but a government-run facility. Have you ever tried to help someone with a mental illness get insurance? Especially someone who is the catch-22 of can't get insurance without a job--can't get a job without medication/treatment--can't get medication/treatment without insurance--thank you for calling social services; we currently have no openings in our treatment programs and our prescription assistance service ran out of funding for the year in February, but we can put you on the list.
Loved it...LOL...nm
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HAHAHAHA - loved it!!!!
        
exactly where is it that i said i loved hillary?
'bout time, too.
That's okay, I'm sure O has a pill for her....he loved
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I loved reading that
I still don't understand why Obama singled out Pennsylvanians with those statements. Does anybody know why who follows this stuff "religiously" (dare I use the word)?
I loved this.....thanks for the laugh....sm
Do you suppose it would really work for any of us in this day and age????.........lolol.........
Loved the quotes
I love history (love the history channel when they have specials on historical figures) and reading about the great men who worked hard to make this country free. These are all great quotes. Unfortunately in today's day and age there are so many lawyers they have turned everything around and they are destroying (or trying to destroy) what the country was founded on and make it into what they want it to be today, and too many people just don't care about the men in our history (just don't take away their American Idol and Survivor shows. HA HA)

It is so insulting that people are trying to destroy what made this country great and free!

I also saw your message above about the thanks for defending the country. I came from a family of military people (dad and grandpa in navy, uncle in marines, another uncle in the air force, and his son (my cousin) in the marines). I believed in our country (Reagan was president) and still do. I am a patriot to the country - not to a person. If I didn't like our country I would leave and move to another country, but I happen to like this one and it has nothing to do with who the president is. If McCain had been elected I wouldn't love the country any less.

But I do love Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Franklin and all those other great men who fought and risked everything. They had such wisdom, knowledge, and courage. And now look at the modern day politicians. I'm sure the founding fathers are turning over right now.
I loved and supported
my sister through surgery. It didn't mean we were married. You can love and support anyone. It doesn't make a marriage. A man and a woman who love and support each other and have sexual intercourse to try and conceive or not is what makes a marriage. It's a simple concept that has worked over the centuries and it will continue regardless of homo judges and whining, crying abnormal mental cases who are confused about their sexuality.
just to say loved your reply...GREAT!

Believe it or not some people who have lost loved ones
do feel that the losses were worth it.  I know it's hard to fathom.  I know their grief has got to be almost unbearable, but they, like their loved ones who enlisted knew what the consequences of signing up for military service might be.  How do you explain those who enlisted right after 9/11 and are enlisting even now?  A personal friend of mine is leaving for Marine boot camp in two weeks. Something  beyond human reasoning compelled them to enlist.  It's called patriotism and the willingness to defend the freedom this country was founded on and spread that freedom throughout the world. 
LOVED the tick comparison!
sucking every last drop of blood out of us little guys who are little more to them than just cogs in the wheel.
I loved him in Young Riders
He's a good actor (he can play some real creepy characters). Not sure about his political viewpoints because I'm not very conservative.
loved it!!! how glorious -- she adores him

it was truly magical -- made me cry... so full of hope and happiness right now.  proud to be an American...IMHO



Loved the article. I had made some of the same predictions he did! nm
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Actually I think Queen Elizabeth loved the Corgis...
and Princess Anne loved the horses. However...I don't believe Princess Anne barrel raced and my Corgis are not nearly as fat as the Queen's. lol. No royalty here.

Have a good evening as well.
Loved the "TV guide" version
Thanks for the countdown to Hillary's speech. Put some comedy into this which is what is needed. I also loved the other post that said a whole Xanax affords you a 2-hour nap. I'm gonna have to get me some of that.

I have learned a few things during this "race". Hillary is driven by power and greed and she won't stop at anything. I've never liked her. Well actually I used to like her when she and Bill were campaigning before he was elected the first time, and I liked her for about a month after she became first lady. Then her true self started to come out and DH and I would be mystified saying, wait a minute...this is not the same lady. I also heard that whenever they hosted dinners at the white house they would tell everyone to be there at a certain time and then they would purposely wait one hour and have everyone gather at the bottom of the steps so they could make their grand entrance for everyone to watch. They seemed to forget they were living in America and the were the president and first lady, not living in England being the King and Queen. So looks like her attitude hasn't changed much. Hillary has always been after uniting the world into a one-world government (or at least Mexico, US & Canada being one country) with her being the leader. Nothing less. I never expected her to end her campaign. After all you never know when such tragedy will hit and she needs to be standing there ready to sleeze in. In the beginning I listened to her because I wanted to know what her plans were if she were to be elected, and it seemed to be more of the same socialist programs she has been trying to pass since being first lady. So I have learned the best way to avoid the stress of listening to her drone on is to hit the mute button as soon as her face "graces" my TV. Now I'm pretty good and can usually hit the channel changer first before a sound from her is even uttered.

Anyway...loved your post. and yes, grilled peach salad doesn't sound too good.
Loved it!!!!- great way to start the day - with a laugh. (nm)
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I thought you loved to argue daggummit?!
Well like I said I understand not wanting to vote for Mccain. I really don't either. I just can't in good conscience vote for Obama. Like I said I have to look at the issues from a Christian point of view before I look at them from any other view. Mccain is not the epitome of a Christian candidate, but to measure him against Obama he is more so than Obama. Or at least he will hold closer to the laws of God than Obama.

I know Obama says he is a Christian, but you will know a Christian by the fruit he bares. I'm not liking his fruit. :)

Lesser of two evils unfortunately.
Loved it when Biden called Obama
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But I thought you guys LOVED gays! Wassa matta you?!!? nm

Good point, good post. Thanks.

I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
is the the starting point or the end point for the middle class?
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If your point is that it was 7 years ago, that's not much of a point is it? sm
Not long ago at all in the scope of things. The point is that the same thing could and probably would happen here. 9-11 happened 7 years ago too....I guess that couldn't happen again, huh?