There is NO CONTEXT that can make it better.
Posted By: Zauber on 2005-10-01
In Reply to: I heard it to on the radio, the entire dialogue. He has been taken totally - out of context. . nm
You all keep saying taken out of context but you don't offer one iota of evidence to show this makes a bit a difference, or say why. Anytime someone is quoted the words are taken out of context.
Why don't you put your point on the line and explain why it makes a difference in this case?
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Out of context? Hardly, LOL!
Oh, the quote definitely is not out of context and the world and most of America realizes it, that is, the part of America that isnt brain washed by the radical neocons or radical christian movement, you know, the normal Americans, not the Bush sheeple..Posting on other boards? Many years experience here, also many years experience on Yahoo groups and political chat rooms, so I dont need *lessons*. Thank you. Oh, also years experience in the local democratic party and government..Been a political person since high school.
take what she says out of context, yet again....
and go ahead, bring up the beauty accessories, yet again....ho hum....you're the ones that keep it alive and are so transparently unable to talk real issues.
Please put them all in context, then, please...sm
. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Please give surrounding text of these statements.
They don't want to see the context
They say dems don't want to do research, but it goes both ways.
I don't know exactly the context...sm
but I did hear something on the news regarding "white male construction workers" did not need to apply for something...like I said, I am not sure of the context but I did hear something like that on the news.
Taken COMPLETELY out of context
You liberals will go to any all lengths to take down this president down even lying. Personally, the president can take care of his self, and he doesn't need me to defend him, but you took so many statements out of context here it's not funny. Most people have been thankful for their evacuation, but the media has targeted the ingrates. This is not the issue here though. The issue is that you all have it in for the president, conservatives or any one who doesn't think exactly like you. If someone disagrees or has an opinion different than you you immediately yell attack. Your agenda is very clear, pathetic but clear.
The words out of context...sm
Were the words he spoke himself on NBC Nightly News. His words were not altered. They were followed by an opinion with which he does not agree, but that does not make the documentary a LIE.
The words out of context
When you twist someone's words and give an opinion following that cannot be contested by the speaker, fully intending that your opinion be attributed to the speaker as truth...that, my friend, is a lie. And it is not the only lie in that mocumentary. Michael Moore never has had taste (Bowling for Columbine) and he never will. The fact that people buy into his anger and hatred and gloss it over as a documentary still boggles the mind.
A little context before retreat.
Yes, I know your post appeared before Cease Fire. As soon as I pressed the Post Reply button, there you were, right back up there taking one last “shot”…your words, not mine. Cease fire…broken before it even began. That would suggest that the 3rd person rules of engagement never applied either. You have made it quite clear that you prefer the garbage-out/garbage in approach…again, just dancing to your tune. Remember the part about someone always being around to answer bigotry’s call-to-arms? Thus, the gloves stay off for the time being. Besides, your rejection of the olive branch is fairly apparent by now.
He’s my friend, not my therapist. He still has so many issues of his own, he would be the first one to say that he’s the one who needs the couch. He is brilliant when it comes to helping others, just not when it comes to helping himself. We have known each other for 42 years. He actually seeks my advice, and I his..it’s personal, not professional.
The economics is way to vast to get into for the time being. May another time, but in terms of what we spend to “support” illegals, that amount is a drop in the bucket when compared to the profits generated for transnational corporations (those guys who actually run the country) in the maquilidoras in Mexico and the cheap labor pool they create once they cross that porous border. So yeah, I got some 4-letter words on that subject. Just ask yourself this fundamental question. Who stands to gain/profit from all this? As long as the transnationals’ bottom line is in the black, they have no motive to “fix” this “problem.” Don’t hold your breath. This is what global economy looks like.
The yada, yada, yada was not referring to the path to citizenship. I was talking about entering with legal status. Let’s put a face on a case. I had a Filipino friend (fellow MT) back in 1983, who entered on a work visa and applied for permanent residence. That took 3 years. She waited. No problem. Then she tried to apply for her 5 children. By 1986, the laws relative to family unification requirements had changed. In 1983, she only would have had to wait another 5 years (AFTER becoming a resident) for approval to sponsor HER OWN CHILDREN. Whoops. No so fast. By 1986, that generous 5-year wait had been doubled to (count ‘em) 10 years for Filipinos. She traveled back and forth over those years while immigration did its thing to see her children and husband, who had stayed behind to raise them in her absence.
Her kids were school age when she when she started this. By the time they were all together again, her youngest was a sophomore in college. She waited. She did it all nice and legal. Excuses, excuses, excuses? Good things come to those who wait? What’s so great about a mother missing 13 years of her children’s lives? Was it worth it? The price they paid was way too high. They had all become so disillusioned and had lost so much, within 5 years after completing the process, the entire family turned around and went back to the Philippines. So much for THEIR Ameican dream and playing by the rules. Maybe good riddance to some, a tragic shame to others. That’s just one case….and yeah, there are plenty of 4-letter words that reveal just how many others there were. Things have gotten a whole lot worse since then, but your party still insists these arcane laws are “too liberal” to suit them. Puh-leeze. So no, I don’t pick and choose laws that suit me. Simply stated, bad laws need to be changed, or eliminated all together.
No national spokesperson here. Just a lifetime of experience (sorry, Sam, you left yourself wide open by trying to be so cute). U of H, 1967…that pesky urban academic forum you love to hate. Free speech for all students was encouraged and accommodated back then. Alongside Viet Nam War, civil rights and nascent women’s lib protests were the highly visible and vocal Arabs and Iranians, here on student visas, nice and legal, the way you claim you like it. Their issues were:
- The 6-day war, when US-backed Israel stepped up its bloodthirsty quest to drive an entire Palestinian population into the refugee diaspora by expanding its illegal occupations of Syria and Egypt. They created some great future killing fields in Golan and Gaza by rearranging a few borders and chopping up the West Bank like a piece of cheap mortadella, sending millions of refugees fleeing into Jordan, which has never been the same, Syria, Europe and the US.
- The pros and cons of Arab political unity as an appropriate response to such blatant aggression and invasion. Now this idea scares the pants off the US. If the Arabs were ever to unify, and especially if they ally themselves with Iran, the world power that would create could crush US superpower ambitions with its eyes shut. US was really nervous about that prospect. Not hard to figure why they have spent trillons of dollars since 1948 (Israel's birthday) and turned a blind eye to all that bloodshed in an effort to keep that region just as destabilized as possible. Where's the outrange over that expense? Oil makes countries do some crazy stuff.
- The formation of the OPEC states as organized by the Shah of Iran, the puppet monarch the US backed after their successful early 1950s coup that removed Mosadegh, the secular democratic prime minister who wanted to eliminate Western control and nationalize Iran’s oil. Democracy in the Middle East? Right. “Oil”agarchy? Nothing new under the sun. Imperialism? Old as the hills.
- The subsequent withdrawal of US backing for the Shah when he had the audacity to take a page out of Mosadegh’s book to suggest that Iran should control it OWN oil resources.
- The rise of a multitude of Iranian political parties, including the strengthening and empowerment of those nasty Islamic fundamentalists that eventually seized control.
- The overthrow of the US puppet monarch who, by that time, had systematically imprisoned, tortured and executed his opposition behind the scenes, ultimately turning Islamic party leadership into national martyrs, making it really easy for them to step right in and take over. Not a great choice for a puppet. Can you say "human rights?"
- The outpouring of refugees from Iran in the aftermath, trying to escape the same-song-second-verse torture, imprisonment and executions under the new leadership. My husband was one of the lucky ones who made it out in time. Things were a bit hectic for him in the middle of the blood bath, there being a revolution and all. No time for a visa. Declared asylum when he got to Germany and was approved.
- The 1951-1952 CIA-backed coup has been acknowledged by our own government and US tax dollars transfered from the US to the Israel treasury...a matter of public record, so "frankly, I don't believe it" isn't going to cut it. I could give you some more 4-letter words, but time is short. As you can see, this is not exactly democratic party line I'm spouting here. No mouthpiece on this mouth. This is information that is not served up by the US news media outlets either. You can hear a lot about it from news broadcasts from other countries and there is a ton of information to sift through on the net should one feel so inclined.
This is not some angry tirade or “tude” I harbor. Not trying to condescend or educate anyone here. History simply is not your friend, Sam, so keep those elitist accusations on the tip of your tongue where they belong. In any case, I was just like you, at first. Beat my patriotic chest, fought tooth and nail, until I finally started to acknowledge my own bias and prejudice against “foreigners” and decided to look into it all. Started reading up on the subject, listening more and talking less, checking facts, etc. Picked up a keen interest in all flavors of foreign policy. Changed my life for the better forever. Made friends along the way of all sorts and persuasions, over many decades, by now, way too numerous to count. Studied together, had lots of fun, ate dinners with them and their families, baby sat their kids, went to weddings, house warmings, baby showers and funerals, shed bucket of tears, learned respect for their customs and cultures.
I married once to an Arab for 12 years, went overseas and lived with the family for 2 years in Madaya, a RURAL village 40 miles west of Damascus in the Bekka Valley. Most beautiful orchards you ever laid eyes. Too bad the skies over this particular pastoral scene were often darkened by the storm clouds of war. That was the year Israel tried to push itself all the way to Beruit, a mere 45 miles to the west of us, decimating whole villages in the wake of that land grab (been so many, I've lost count)…but not quite as gory as their most recent offensive into Lebanon. Israeli fighter jets (bank-rolled by good ole’ American tax dollars,) would often fly so fast and so low under the radar screen they sounded like they were getting ready to crash into the house. This would send us all scrambling to the floor, nose to the ground and hands clenched tightly behind our heads in a hopeless attempt to somehow feel safer, where we would cower for a couple of minutes until it was over. Kind of reminiscent of those war photos from Sadr City and Mosul when American soldiers ransacked those villages in search of insurgents, going door-to-door, breaking in with the butt of their rifles, sending civilian old men, women and children dropping like flies in the absence of all military-age male family members (out trying to protect everybody), as the GI planted his boot into the small of an Iraqi teenager’s back, shaking like a leaf. Just how proud, safe and strong do you think that “should” make me feel?
Later married that Iranian refugee I spoke of earlier. Got in-laws abroad and here. My husband has difficulty accepting the idea that he may never see his mother, father, 3 brother(s), sister(s)-in-law, nephew and neice, aunts, uncles and cousins. We make do with weekly phone calls. My son is a native-born citizen, with very much of a westernized hyphenated Iranian side to his identity….American-Iranian, according to him. My sister lives in Tehran with her husband and her own 12-year-old American citizen American-Iranian/Iranian-American son. Hope they don’t get caught up in the aftermath of the latest nuclear flap and proposed American diplomatic efforts. You’ll forgive me if I a bit suspicious of Bush’s stunning reversal of “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” mantra. An “American interests section?” Indeed. Don’t look for the Iranian madman to agree to another CIA spy dugout in the middle of his capital city any time soon. Shades of ignored WMD inspector reports and manufactured “intelligence” (give me a break) findings. I take little comfort in the fact that he is running out of time for another Middle East invasion/fiasco.
Through it all, I have engaged myself with immigration law, starting back in college, trying to help different nationalities navigate the stormy waters of the LEGALIZATION process. Furthermore, because of my husband’s political refugee status, we are well acquainted with Homeland Security (DHS) issues. One of our friends is a DHS regional director. He is an advocate for immigrant rights and reform, legal and illegal…a position he takes after his retirement from INS after 30 years and 5 years with DHS. Probably knows a thing or 2. He can’t wait for the inauguration. Says his job will be a lot easier and kinder once McCain or Obama take office, since they both support immigration reform. Looking forward to going to sleep with a cleaner conscience, he says.
Anger? Not exactly. Passion? You bet. Please forgive me if I feel like I might have something of substance to bring into this debate. I take these issues very seriously since were are talking about my families, my friends. In my experience (not some passage out of some old dusty textbook), these are matters of life and death. I may be a little far out in left field to suit you, but I feel I have at least earned my stripes. I am no less American than anyone else born and raised here. Keep in mind that I am not by myself here either. The last 2 elections were too, too close to support that notion.
You will be relieved to hear this. That’s all the time I have right now. One thing we all can see about you is you somehow feel if you get the last word, it must be the best word. Ain’t necessarily so, but at least for the time being, you can have it your way. Have no intention to leave the remainder of your slanderous post unanswered. Debate is suspended from this side due to the job hunt thing, but certainly not finished by any means.
One thing I look forward to is the (un)Cival War discussion. Maybe you can enlighten me as to how to construe a war which produced more than half a million deaths of various sorts in 4 years was about anything except some of the same fundamental issues that divide us to this day…the economics and human rights issues that surrounded slavery then, the common thread that divides us, then and now, being the bigotry of it all. Will follow your advice and read up on the Republican party, but before playing the Abraham Lincoln was a Republican card, better bone up on how your party platform has reversed itself on most issues since it formation in the early 1850s. HisRepublican Party in no way resembles the GOP of today. Confusing? Yes. Alas, another 4 letter word for you.
I appreciate your parting “shot.” Wouldn’t want to let a little thing like a hurricane sink OUR hot air balloons (pleural). now, would we? Enjoy your last word and the sabbatical. Gonna get swallowed up by poverty if I don’t find a job soon.
The real context for this
manufactured outrage is to create the impression that O and media are against SP. That way, as more and more damaging information is revealed with investigations by reporters in alaska, hopefully the limited-information voters will disregard the facts that are revealed.
Let's put it in proper context....
she said if Georgia became a member of NATO, then according to the NATO agreement all NATO signatories (US is one of them) have to come to the aid if any of the NATO countries are invaded. She gave the correct answer.
You do know that Obama intends to see the war in Afghanistan continue and wants to send troops from Iraq there, right? The anti-war candidate?
She didn't take anything out of context. - sm
I saw the speech too, and that's exactly what she said. I'll bet there were a lot of surprised looks and people going 'Huh??' in the audience.
pulled out of any context
whatsoever to inflame prejudice. shameful, shameful behavior.
then give us the context
and prove your point.
See link for context.
It took one quick Google search to find!
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
In the true context.
I see you have no comment regarding the blatant inaccuracy of the original post.
in the true context
of the True Believers, oh grand puhba. Everyone grab match.
I heard him say it too, and the context he said it in...
so I know what he meant by it.
Wanna talk connections?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_iraqi_oil_for_food_conn.html
misquoted and out of context
This is misquoted and taken out of context. See link. It is at the bottom of the page
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp
Squat in this context being
rasberries for the cry babies
Context is crucial.
See link below:
These numbers are taken out of context and distorted
Don't believe everything you read, especially from anti-American organizations like this that you cite.
I certainly don't defend the remarks, but they were taken out of context
Obviously, the example Bennett used of aborting every black child was a very poorly thought out example, but his remarks were also taken grossly out of context by the mainstream media. He went on say it would be a morally reprehensible thing to do. He was commenting on the idiots that said that crime or poverty was down since the legalizing of abortion. He thinks abortion of any kind is wrong...he was turning their logic around on them. He certainly does not think that every black baby should be aborted. GRANTED, there are radical right wingers (the KKK, aryan nation etc.) would think this was a great idea, but they are radical and not the mainstream as Ms. Libby FALSELY stated...
It's perfectly clear to me what the context was, so if it's above you, then
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You are putting that out of context, Democrat. SM
In fact, the conversation was very polite and respectful at all times. Wow, how two people can remember things so differently. Says a lot.
Whatever...you are so clueless...You wouldn't know the right context...sm
if it bit you on the butt. Too bad, soooo sad.
Calling me a liar, saying out of context...
yet you totally ignore the portion that said Plame was not covert at the time Novak printed her name. There is only one way to read that. And you call me a liar. What a twisted, twisted set of values you have.
taking things out of context
I agree that it's not fair to take Michelle Obama's statements out of context, but then you turn around and take Cindy McCain's problem out of context. I say leave both wives alone. I know what Cindy did was illegal, so it's kind of apples and oranges, but she's worked through her recovery and worked it out with the law, so I don't think she needs to be beat over the head with it the rest of her life.
In what context would those statements not be racist? nm
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have you actually read what it said, or just the out of context stuff? nm
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a wink is not sexist, its context MTs,
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You have to know the context that he made that comment. sm
He's saying that if Obama is going to make this a socialist country, he hopes Obama fails because that's not what's best for America. Rush was on Hannity last night and I know most of you don't like Fox News, but to get the whole story on this, tune in for the second half of the interview tonight, 9 o'clock.
NOBODY can make Saddam look good. But Bush seems to be the ONLY one who can make him look less
If you can't make abortion illegal, just make it impossible (sm)
That's right, Bush is still alive and well. Check this out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28024676
Yeah, I know it's MSNBC, but how many other people are doing a lame duck watch?
To add, the GDA remarks, in context, were about the potential effects of
America not living up to its ideals. Context is everything.
Somewhere I saw a link to a site that had the actual sermons. I did not agree with everything he said, but I did agree with some of it. I will have to find that link. I think it was on another MT board...
Yes, take those words out of context and use them. Right, no flame whatsoever.
But I'm not interested in Barack, either, and I'm not alone in this thinking. However, I guess my apprehension is spot on if your idea of not flaming is to point to McCain. Goodness.
Once placed in context of unequal distribution of wealth,
So you decided the information here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth. didn't matter? What about here? http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/04/the_rich_and_their_taxes.html?
You cannot talk about dollar amounts of tax burden for rich or poor without talking about distribution of wealth. Economics 101. There is a reason they pay higher percentages of total revenues. Some of them make 345 times more money than the average mean income in the US, for starters.
This is the kind of thinking that will drive JM/SP to certain defeat in November. Do you not understand how out of touch this issue is with the mainstream?
The explanation you gave for the $6 billion tax you claim O would impose on small businesses is now applied to an entirely different context. The trillion dollar boondoggle still remains the descent from $559 billion suplus inherited from BC to the $400 billion dollar deficit we have after Bush's economic policies and war. BTW, lest we forget, JM voted to support 90% of these plans.
Sam, do not expect the American public will have this same short attention span you demonstrate on these issues or that the spell the NeoCons and femocons seem to be under in never-never land has been cast over the rest of us "lower brackets" with the economy in free-fall and no end in sight.
Biden's Words (In Full Context)
Posted: 18 Sep 2008 09:19 AM CDT
Here we have Joe admitting that he's for socialism and the redistribution of wealth.
Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act The Democratic vice presidential candidate says for those earning more than $250,000, "It's time to be patriotic ... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26771716/from/ET/
The Muslim slip-up in full context
He didn't say he made a mistake, at least not directly after speaking the phrase, but please listen to the video and decide for yourself. It has been taken out of context.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpoAVAA1F30&NR=1
Total propaganda...quotes taken out of context!
This subject has already been discussed ad nauseum on this forum. It has been proven that the quotes were either totally inaccurate or taken completely out of context. Please do some research before you post this type of propaganda and/or read Obama's book, which is actually entitled "Dreams From My Father."
What I meant was it was taken out of context from the site as a whole. It does not wholly reflect..
the philosophy of the website, only one soldier's opinion, and actually after looking at the bulk of the soldiers' comments on this website, it is not indicative of the general sentiment presented. That is what I meant by out of context.
I just have a problem with folks taking bits and pieces of a news story, quote, website and presenting a fragment of it as indicative of the overall sentiment. But perhaps that was not your intention.
gotta just love your out of context quotes....too bad you don't have the rest of
As we can see, there is no reliable source. Twisted, misleading passages out of context
rasberries
Pulling things out of context when people can go read the whole thread proves nothing...
when someone says something posted from a court document with all the references in place is a lie simply because it was reprinted on a conservative website cares nothing about the truth. I said it and I meant it. That is not calling that person a liar. Stop twisting things to your advantage. Not all the liberals on this board play that game. Only a few of you do. Won't debate an issue, just say it is from a right wing rag (even if it is the original court document) and will absolutely not look at both sides of an issue. And based on what I have read about liberalism and what liberals posted on this very board in response to my question...that is the antithesis of true liberal behavior. So there are some of you who do not agree with the tactics either. So please...stop with the attacks. Does not look good on you.
Just because you make a statement does not make it true...
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Those who make you believe absurdities can make
The post I quoted was the entire post. It was not taken out of context. sm
I imagine there are as many emotions and thoughts going on with our troops as possible and each does not feel the same as the other, which is obvious by the posts here.
Perhaps we can make a
between lying because he was a husband caught with a bimbo and lying to even the score with Wilson who knew of the intelligence manipulation for going to war and jeopardizing national security issues. You really don't see the difference here? If Hillary can stand her husband for being a cad, that's hers and Bill's business, not mine. Whereas this administration has lied about Iraq. Clinton lied--nobody died. Bush lied--2000+ died, not to mention the *collateral damage* of innocent Iraqis as pointed out by Democrat above. And you don't see the difference?!
This is what I make of it...sm
Supposedly if the insurgents lay down their arms and come over to the good side they will be allowed amnesty. Info leaked from Iraqi prime minister, al-Maliki, office that he was considering giving amnesty to insurgents and terrorist who have not killed Iraqi citizens. His office later added US soldiers into the equation.
Supporters of said amnesty believe it will lead to further isolating the *bad* terrorist and be inclusive of the *good* terrorist, allowing them become a functioning part of the new Iraq. Bring them over to the good side so to speak.
We can't make it here.
http://sheergoldenhooks.blogspot.com/2006/05/james-mcmurtry-we-cant-make-it-here.htm
don't mean to make any
one more nervous, but visualize this scenario, McCain falls down and breaks a hip. The vice president who has stated "I have not thought much about foreign policy" (despite having HER OWN SON going to Iraq soon) has to make a crucial decision that does not involve a rogue moose, her brother-in-law's behavior, or what to wear at a beauty pageant. Scary. Since she has not thought much about foreign policy, what group of Washington people are going to be instructing her on foreign policy soon? The Karl Rove group who is advising them on all issues. If you have enjoyed the last 8 years, you're gonna l-o-v-e the next 4 if McCain wins.
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