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This statement shows ignorance of basic economics

Posted By: and of O's tax plan. sm on 2008-09-10
In Reply to: Well, great, hope you love Obama's tax plan then. It - will give back to people who paid NO taxes-joke.nm

You are misinformed to such an extent that it makes you unable to recognize your own best interests. If you candidate wins, look for your profession to decline by leaps and bounds, if it survives at all.


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Just shows your ignorance of the military then..
period. Just because you might not like it, does not change the fact that that's how it works. Nobody acts alone in the military. Any action must be approved by the Commander in Chief - who is the President. So, as much as it KILLS some people to give Obama any credit whatsoever, I'm afraid that is where the credit is due in this case.
Just shows your ignorance of the military
period. Just because you might not like it, does not change the fact that that's how it works. Nobody acts alone in the military. Any action must be approved by the Commander in Chief - who is the President. So, as much as it KILLS some people to give Obama any credit whatsoever, I'm afraid that is where the credit is due in this case - along with the brave men who did the actual physical rescuing.

They were ALL brave and they ALL acted with bravery and intelligence.
Wouldn't say ignorance is bliss. Ignorance
is the reason why we had Bush for 8 years, and ignorance is why people will vote PalinMc.
Immediate White House statement on Dr. Tiller - still no statement on

Having had at least three relevant opportunities to make a statement about the killing of an Army recruiter and wounding of another since this occurred on Monday, Obama has not said a single word about it - but a statement was forthcoming from him immediately concerning the killing of Dr. Tiller.


The media coverage of the two events has also been strikingly different.  Please note that the sympathies of the liberal cause provide a complete explanation of both of these phenomena.


More than passingly strange that they think we don't notice stuff like this, n'est-ce pas? Well, they'll discover their mistake soon enough.  The election cycle of 2010 is already starting up - and it isn't going to look anything like the cycle of 2008.


 


 


 


Basic tax proposals

MORE OF THE McSAME


Taxes
McCain: Pledged not to raise taxes, then equivocated, saying nothing can be ruled out in negotiating compromises to keep Social Security solvent. Twice opposed Bush's tax cuts, at first because he said they were tilted to the wealthiest and again because of the unknown costs of Iraq war. Now says those tax cuts, expiring in 2010, should be permanent. Proposes cutting corporate tax rate to 25 percent. Promises balance budget in first term, says that is unlikely in his first year.
Obama: Raise income taxes on wealthiest and their capital gains and dividends taxes. Raise corporate taxes. $80 billion in tax breaks mainly for poor workers and elderly, including tripling Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credit for larger families. Eliminate tax-filing requirement for older workers making under $50,000. A mortgage-interest credit could be used by lower-income homeowners who do not take the mortgage-interest deduction because they do not itemize their taxes.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26424187/


 


I went to Basic & AIT at Ft. Jackson
I'd love to see it now. That would bring back some memories (it was 28 years ago) - man am I that old? HA HA

You missed a bunch of hate-filled messages directed towards me today because I brought up something about Obama they didn't want to hear. Just snyde and dirty nasty hate filled remarks towards me trying to put me down. DH asked why I was so upset and I told him someone was yelling that I'm a racist. I let him read all the messages and he about fell on the floor laughing (I'm black). HA HA That did cheer me up.
Economics 101...

http://ca.youtube.com/user/weneedmccain


This video explains Obama's economic policies better than I can...


Economics is where it's at.
The subject needs to be changed back to the economy from the anger-tapping, fear-mongering hate fest the McCain camp seems stuck in lately. I think that denial and dismay (not understanding) does keep people from "going there," but this dialog has to start someplace.

In strictly political terms, concepts (some old, some new) such as regulation/deregulation, corporate greed/corruption, anti-trust initiatives vs laissez faire economics, shrinking/disappearing middle class, free trade market conditions/jobs outsourcing and the like come into play. On a more cultural level, consumption economics/consumerism, class disparities in terms of education, healthcare, income, wealth distribution, class and race, isolationist international policies and practices and imperialist perceptions (both national and international) are of issue as well.

Ultimately, it boils down to how we see ourselves now and in the future in terms of national identity. Who are we now? Who do we want to be? How far have we strayed from the founding fathers' ideals. Does it matter? Where do we go from here? What do we want our future to look like. What kind of a world do we want our children and their children to inherit?
Exactly...basic tenet of socialism.
I thought Hillary was the major socialist...he puts her to shame.
Why not? The basic minimum that should be required. nm
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You need to understand economics
When McCain talks tax cuts for corporations you people go ballistic. You obviously don't understand the principles behind this, while on the other hand, Obama wants to tax the snot out of them and us.

Corporations have left this country because they can go to other countries that don't tax the snot out of them and they hire THEIR workers. Duh! Get a clue! They even get exempt from taxes in countries that are taking your jobs. Well it doesn't take an expert to figure out you go where you don't pay taxes and can hire people who are forcing unions and junk down your throat, thereby hiring more people.

Obama's taxing the crap out of everybody will continue to PUSH corporations overseas and if you think there aren't any jobs now, you just wait. You'll be lucky to find a hamburger joint that will hire you. Obama wants to tax tax tax EVERYBODY, corporations and you, to pay for all his social programs. Do you not understand what socialism is. Maybe you do and just do not care that you and your country are being sold down the river. Yes, spreading the wealth does necessarily mean enriching some at the expense of others.....that is what socialism is! National wealth is where you are deceived...that would be called government wealth, bigger government, bigger government wealth. You won't be seeing a penny of it.

If you had any clue what it is to run a business, you would be singing a different tune. The companies that have stayed here are being taxed to death already to the point they have to let people go. Those hard-working, bill-paying, nose to the grindstone folks better get a clue because they will be doing not only more of the same, but seeing less money for their hard work on Obama's plan.

Who the heck do you think pays for all the welfare roll now? Mostly the wealthy. Use some common sense, please. The more you make, the more you are taxed. It obviously bears repeating......have you ever seen a poor person giving you a job?

I am amazed at those bitter people who seem to think those that have done very well financially for themselves should be treated and ostricized as if they are bad people, loathsome individuals. Why? Just because you don't have it? If yo did, you would be singing a different tune and would be bothered by someone thinking they had the right to your money to give to those who already live off you free. I don't want the control of national wealth in more hands.

It may not sound great to hear, but you want more money in the hands of people who already don't know how to watch their dollars or how to save? I don't!!
Why do I want to give them more. Those in need do get a lot of help in this community. They get fed very well, their children get clothed very well, they get free healthcare, free everything. None of them are going hungry but I can guarantee you if you keep falling for this Obama "pie in the sky" attitude, you will be hurting big time.

If people would quit living beyond their means and learn to save their money for a rainy day, they wouldn't have so much to gripe about in the first place and all this credit garbage wouldn't be happening. Lets not hold any individuals responsible for any of this....just the hated rich.

I don't want to pay a mortage for anyone who had no business buying a house in the first place or a car or anything else on credit. They knew they couldn't afford it and still didn't care. Now they want to be given more handouts. Not on my dime.

I will help anyone who has fallen on hard times through no fault of their own but do not tell me I have to pay for those greedy people who don't have a clue about saving. All that want is to spend spend spend and then cry "foul" when they don't have it anymore.




Trickle down economics
didn't work under Reagan and it won't work under McCain.  Ever consider water doesn't run uphill?
Economics I can understand

Finally - someone who can describe what's going on/happening that I can understand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djgH9wA-JSU


 


 


 


You really don't understand economics, do you?

The poster is correct. I don't know why you insist on living in a dream world. I used to respect your comments but I see you really don't understand how supply and emand and/or government really works.


You think everything is a joke. Well, are you going to be laughing when taxes are so high you have a choice to eat or pay taxes?


Are you going to laugh when the country is broke (whopps - that has already happened) and they can't even guarantee FDIC backing for any money you have in the back or IRAs?


Are you going to laugh when other countries commit terrorist attacks on our country; i.e., N. Korea, Iran, etc.?


Are you going to laugh when this country finally crosses into fascism whereas you will seriously have no rights?


Keep laughing BB. The joke will be on you sooner or later, as the country slowly goes down the tubes unless you start boning up on the reality happening right under your nose and start fighting against it.


 


Better McCain....at least he has basic American values still...
Obama is a radical socialist and that is the "change" he is talking about, and he "hopes" he can hoodwink America into buying that "change." And it looks like he is doing a pretty good job. Just be careful what you ask for...he has started already applying is black liberation theology plank of economic parity...redistribution of wealth. He has promised to do that. Windfall profit tax on oil companies (which will do NOTHING to bring prices down, will in fact send them up) and redistribute that income to people who did nothing to earn it. That is the opposite of what has made America great. I should not be surprised that so many believe him...but I am.
thank you - but it is better - he just graduated basic training Friday -
now he is a MAN...
It just seems to me to be wrong on a basic moral level....
Christianity aside...that the power of life and death be given to one individual over another. Any OTHER time than abortion that is murder, not negotiable. Yet for the most innocent among us, the most vulnerable, in the eyes of some it is fine for one human being to decide to terminate the life of another on the basis of choice...and inconvenience.

I do not believe Obama sits around and thinks about how many babies will die every day (to the tune of over a million a year...!). I don't think he thinks about it much at all. How lucky for him his mother chose life.
only want to talk economics part of this - nm
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Economics 101: Capitalism vs. Socialism

There are many different ideas or systems of how an economy should be run. The two most common are capitalism and socialism. They are very different in how they view who runs the economy. Most economies have ideas from both systems, but tend to be more of one than the other.


Capitalism is the economic system based on private or corporate ownership of, production and distribution of goods. It has always existed to some extent in all civilizations but was written about formally by Adam Smith in his book "The Wealth of Nations" in 1776. Capitalists favor a system of free enterprise which means the government should not interfere in the economy - that the laws of supply and demand will make sure that the ecnomy runs most efficiently in meeting people's needs. Capitalism is characterized by competition in which there is rivalry in supplying or getting an economic service or good. Sellers compete with other sellers, and buyers with other buyers. The buyers seek the best possible deal in purchasing goods and the sellers look to make the best possible sale allowing them the most profit.


Socialism is an economic theory or idea that states that the government or the state should be in charge of economic planning, production and distribution of goods. This contrasts with capitalism where free markets predonimate and property is privately owned. Socielism tends to favor cooperation whereas capitalism is characterized by competition.


The theories of socialism first arose in the late eighteenth century in response to the Industrial Revolution where factory owners were becoming wealthy and the workers impoverished. Thus, workers wanted a greater share in the wealth that factories were making. Later a form of socialism called communism sprang up based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Communism advocates class struggle and revolution to establish a society of cooperation with strong government control. Communism predominated in the former Soviet Union and much of Eastern Europe at one time. Today it predominates in China and Cuba, but its influence has lessened.


http://www.mcwdn.org/ECONOMICS/CapSoc.html


Redistribution of wealth is a basic socialism tenet...
and it is part of his platform. He leans very hard in the direction of government run health care...alnother socialism tenet. He used and taught the Alinsky method of organizing...hard left Marxist theory. Not overgeneralization. He went to a church preaching black liberation theology for 20 years....major Marxist overtones and "economic parity" part of that theology. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are it's a duck. And if you look at his associations throughout his career...common thread there. And for me, that is concerning. And yet another reason I am not voting for him. He is no change from any of the hard left liberals before him, except in one key area...he is harder left than any of them, if you look only at his voting record. He's not the guy for the job as far as I am concerned.
Our economy is related to world economics
which IS part of foreign policy.  Geez, can't get your head around that?
Well, we all know the old "trickle-down economics" of the past admnistrations has not worked,
ever more greed, and then the removal of the banking regulations really set up the rest of the debacle. The President is fighting a GOLIATH here when it comes to all the problems he has INHERITED, we should pray for his wisdom, strength, and security, and at least he is acknowledging short-falls and problems, trying to reach out to both parties, and trying to ACCOMPLISH something real and LASTING for this country, all Bush could do was give checques away, which was supposed to be a quick "shot in the arm" the for economy, but he did not open his eyes to see that when middle to low income families are living in debth and cannot pay for anything, that they are going to pay bill and save some of their money, not go out and buy more cars, TVs, other big ticket items, as he thought. Good solid work programs was what put the country back on its feet back during the Great Depression, it is not a "quick" fix, but a lsting one that reaches into multi levels of the ecomony, the worker, small businesses, etc. Lets's PLEASE give the President a chance beyond his first week!
Immigration attys probable grasp basic citizenship concepts.
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Russian Professor of Economics Believes U.S. Will Split into Six States

Disagree. Ignorance is ignorance. n/m
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No it shows that I know something
you haven't bothered to check out for yourself.

France was right about IRAQ.

And WE IGNORED HITLER's atrocities until OUR economics were at stake, THEN we did the right thing, but NOT BEFORE.


Maybe it shows
how "frugal" the McCain/Palin ticket would be in the White House, you reckon???  So Mrs. O's dress looked like it came from a yard sale?  So what?  She is clean and she is neat, that's all I require.  Why should candidates have to "look like they came from Saks Fifth Avenue to impress people?"  I used to like to go in Saks in Houston when I lived there just to see how the upper crust lived.   I did actually make purchases...............they had the most fabulus truffles you ever sank your teeth in........my weakness. t I would indulge even though they cost $6 EACH and that was back in the 80s.  Lord knows what they cost now.
It just shows the

true character of our president-elect.  He is stepping up to the rudderless ship regardless of the consequences.  His presidency is not a desire for power, a desire to upstage daddy, or a way to ensure future big bucks giving speeches or sitting on a board of a corporation.  He is doing it simply for the love of his country.  Bless him.


 


Where would we end up if everyone of us shows off
what looks good on us???????
I think this shows...
how ignorant so many in this country are to our own history. I guess that's why we keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
This shows you exactly how much you know about the terrorists. sm
And THAT has been the worst part about all this.  Bush hatred has not only fried you to crispy critters, it has made you dangerously ignorant. 
i'm trying to pull that up and it shows
not sure what is going on.

You ask me about fear? I do believe things can and will get better. This is not something that is going to happen overnight and to be honest with you, I believe it will be worse with Obama.... Regarding the economy, there is a lot of fingerpointing and obviously I myself cannot be sure where exactly this started but we have had a democratic congress.
Pretty much shows
what we could expect from his administration.  More lunacy.  He wanted to win at all costs and he no doubt thought Palin would deliver Clinton supporter's votes.  After that fiasco how anyone can think he will turn this country around is beyond me.
This one shows him more clearly - he says it toward the end of the clip (sm)
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0XIRZSTt8&NR=1
why delete? it shows a pic
of a radical looking Obama and a soldier McCain???? What's the matter my liberal friend? Don't like the truth? Is it NOT obama in his true form and not mccain in HIS true form? Maybe you object to them using a picture that doesn't portray a Messiah look?
Nope, sure can't. When God shows me
I just gotta plow right on through.
Class certainly shows.

The UK presents diplomatic gifts of great antiquity, value  and meaning and in return we  hand them, what?  Plastic model planes?   Talk about a low-rent reception!  Yeah, I guess we  really are illustrating that we don't care enough to give the very best.  


Is also shows how much you know about ethics and morality....
You appear to be a fool.  An unethical fool.
I find most politicians on these shows

respond with rehearsed speech, or just do not answer the question. On Hardball, Chris will say answer the question, yes or no, over and over and over and whoever just goes off on whatever tangent.


 


That just shows the level of insensitivity....
this is an anonymous posting board. You people have posted nastiness about someone and named them. Dailykrap posted it where the entire nation can look at it. You have invaded the privacy of a 16-year-old girl who has done nothing to deserve it and made her public fodder. Perhaps you are proud of that. I cannot imagine that you would be, yet you attack me and support those who would do such a thing. Amazing.
i think for one reason it shows he is not a judgmental...
hypocrite like some of you posting here. This from the party of tolerance? What a load of bullhockey.
definitely shows poor judgement
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Just shows Fox DOES show both sides....
she let the other side have it too about their dishonest ads...though you probably won't find that part on Huffington Post.
It seems to me that this study shows that conservatives (sm)
are MORE concerned about others than democrats. They see a picture of SOMEONE ELSE who is hurt or dead and they react more than the democrats. I used to think of myself as being fairly liberal, but if that means being associated with the type of people many of the democrats who post on here appear to be, then no thanks, I'll call myself conservative. Actually I always vote for the candidate I agree with most, regardless of party.
Knock yourself out, there. Shows just how much respect
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Just shows that majority of USA no longer truly
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i didn't write that - shows what you don't know
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All talk shows gripe about everybody, not just him

They griped about Bush, McCain, Palin, the other Bush, Clinton, you name it. They are fair game and you should know that. The pot shots are to get more viewers, get laughs, or just let their own feelings out.


They are not griping about O. In fact, most of the news media has put him in a pedestal since the beginning. 


Another pub shows his true colors....(sm)

check this out:


http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/29/armey/


I agree President should not be on TV shows
I was thinking this last night...how can we have respect for the Office of the President the president is not acting like a president but rather like a movie star.  It is really unbecoming. 
A quick look at this board shows...
me exactly where they are.