Those things are awful, I agree - but he is not going to fix them! nm
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Well...I agree with some things but (sm)
I completely disagree with partial birth abortion, but I don't necessarily think early abortion should be illegal. I think it is wrong yes, but should it be illegal? I don't think so. I don't think you should mix religious beliefs with laws necessarily. And I have not even thought twice about Obama supporting gay marriage. I am not voting for him, but it is because of my issue with his associations and because of his partial birth abortion stance. Those are just my beliefs.
I agree....I think they took things too far.
There was no reason for that type of commercial ad. Of course, I'm not a fan of Peta anyway. I think they take things WAY too far when it comes to animals anyway, but that is just my opinion.
Their add was definitely distasteful and crude. They should have used their brains on that one but obviously didn't.
I agree. There are some things that (sm)
have me going "WHAAAAAAAAAAT???," just like I did with George W. Bush before I realized what his scam (unjustifiable war in Iraq and others)
I remember giving him the benefit of the doubt until his chronic lying turned me against him. But I needed at least three years to do that.
I'm prepared to do the same thing with Obama: Give him at least three years. None of us is mind-readers on this board, and perhaps he is choosing not to share everything with us and the world (as it should be).
Meanwhile, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Regarding the ILLEGAL alien situation, I couldn't agree more with you. There are laws on the books that make it pretty clear what should be done with ILLEGAL aliens. I believe Bush ignored those laws so that the richer could pay less than poverty salaries to make the rich even richer. But that took me a few years to figure out. I will give the same three years to Obama before I decide to not vote for him again.
Anyway, whether we agree or disagree, I am just soooooo glad to see you back here again. You know how to debate. 
Okay....what things do you agree with Obama that...
trump all the things I mentioned? Just trying to understand.
I agree with a couple things you say - see message
I stopped coming to the board for awhile for a couple reasons. First, I got way behind on my work (shame on me). Second because I keep going back between voting for JM, then BO, then JM, then BO, etc. Everytime I hear something new about one or the other I decide to switch, so rather than look the fool and write good or bad on one thing I just stopped. I do not believe people hate Obama. It's more like we are afraid of what will happen to the country if he gets in. And yes we are also concerned what will happen if JM gets in too, but more afraid of BO (BTW - I think I will be voting for the constitutional party). I don't like either choice and I think they are both bad for the country.
I do agree with you that I feel like I'm in school again with people fighting with you but not offering any solutions. And you know what - it's more of the Obama supporters that are bashing the McCain supporters. I know people don't want to hear that because I find more people who are democrats live their life in the "victim state" and like to always blame the republicans for everything bad that's happened and will never look to their own party. I truly believe it is Franks, Cox, & Dodd who are a lot to blame for what has happened economically, but it is easier to bash Bush because it happened while he was in office, but honestly this is not his fault whether you want to believe that or not. Also it isn't McCains fault either because he warned everyone 2 years ago. Also, I haven't read any of the posts, but I found out yesterday that Franks was boyfriend to one of the top people at FMFM that got a big kickback.
So, at this point I'm getting to the point where I don't care who is president. Whether it is McCain or Obama I will continue to get up each day, brush my teeth and work (hopefully).
But you know what is ugly to me on this board is the people who defend McCain are being bashed by the Obama supporters and then they turn around and say they are being picked on (again their stuck there in the victim mode).
Everyone is allowed their opinions, but don't bash the other side and then say poor me, we're being picked on and then call the other side intolerant and ugly.
Oh that's awful
my prayer's are with him and his family. It's never easy to deal with death, even when it's expected.
That's awful! sm
I didn't vote for the man, but I would never wish him the unfortunate situation of following in the footsteps of assasinated presidents.
As an aside and not to detract from the subject at hand, I thing this speaks volumes for the state of our educational system in this country if the advertising staff "didn't make the connection." But that's a whole 'nuther ball of wax.
It must be awful being you.
"This is a godless world and you are on a piece of cosmic debris which happens to have every element necessary to support life."
How sad. Truly, truly sad.
It's a shame you can't enjoy life like the rest of us. It really is a beautiful thing. Full of joy and hope and laughter.
True, it can also contain pain, despair, and injustice - temporarily - but that's why faith in something bigger than yourself is so important. And it's in those trying times that we are capable of rising even higher... of achieving more peace... of inspiring others.
Life is full of ups and downs. Of good and evil, always fighting for balance (for the time being).
I certainly hope you didn't let that one Muslim man's answer determine your faith. If you had bothered to ask one Christian man the same question, you would have received an entirely different answer.
I hope you can someday find the truth. It's such a wonderful, happy "piece of cosmic debris" when you look at it through Heaven's eyes.
Peace.
he looked awful
He looked like something was wrong in the news video I saw..I did not state it was alcohol. I stated you never know cause something looked wrong..his face was hanging, his eyes were puffy, he was inattentive..definitely something was not right..Believe me, I do not wish this disease on anyone..I have seen what it can do..
You seem to like Palin an awful lot....why
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Gas prices - 259 a gallon - it's awful...nm
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He paid with his own earnings? Oh how awful.
And what was your point? Wouldn't you tend to trust a candidate more who paid for his campaign with his own money, rather than taking bribes from special interests that he has to pay back later by stealing more freedom and cash from you?
And if your point was that his take on the case was so high that he could finance a whole campaign with it, again, so? - A jury of your peers made that award and likely you would have too had you been on the jury and had a chance to hear the facts. If he had been representing you in a case in which your child was disemboweled by a defective piece of equipment which the manufacturers knew full well tended to disembowel children but they sold it to you anyway, would you think the jury awarded too much or the lawyer might get paid too much?
Or instead of actually thinking about the need to have lawyers represent people who have been egregiously harmed by incompetent and negligent companies, and the need to have juries hear the facts and make appropriate awards when justified, is it just easier to nod at the bullcrap propaganda which says you don't NEED to be protected because look how much money the lawyer makes?
When it's your turn you're going to want that lawyer and you're going to want that jury to hear your story. So what is the problem you have with holding villains accountable and seeing other people get the settlements they deserve?
No, you guys are awful on this board.
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Again, awful generalization. Your animosity toward anyone
again goes against your other posts. Plus, you're basing some of your own opinions on hearsay from others? Lest you forget, it's the person, not the money. Look at Angelina Jolie, someone we all know has plenty of money. She might not have food sitting out by the mailbox on food drive day, but that might be because she's "walking the walk" in a poor third world country. You don't want to be judged, yet you are doing an awful lot of judging yourself.
That's awful!!! If ANYONE's votes should count is is theirs!!! sm
The government should have made absolutely sure our soldiers' votes were here on time and if not, dammit, we should postpone the election until they do. They are leaving their families and risking their lives to protect this country and they don't even get a vote on who runs it?? That has me fuming mad!!!!!!!
She does blink an awful lot, doesn't she?
Maybe she's had too much plastic surgery - things do look a little tight around her eyes =)
Then again, anyone looks more animated than Cheney - was he even alive up there?
This was a good one -thanks for posting!
typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
That's awful! Praying all those held will be released safely...
they are saying a woman and child have been released, and that is a good thing...praying this will end with no innocent folks being hurt.
yeah, those awful, rich, ungiving Republicans
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Yeah, full of pork, just like those awful republicans
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really wanna barf - guess who steps up as pres. if something awful happens to the pres and vp??? nm
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Oh I can always tell when things are going your way
the diatribes ensue.
How do you get away with saying things like that exactly?
Two things:
1: His approval rating as I write this has now decreased to 29%. (However, by the time you read this, it may be even lower yet. He is most definitely *a work in progress,* and the number of Americans who are waking up and smelling the proverbial coffee is increasing at a rapid rate.
2. The fact that the government has been tracking phone calls of hundreds of millions of Americans may be nothing more than a political *parking ticket* compared to what we might discover next week.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/12/19380/1332
NSA Whistleblower: There's More, People Are Going To Be Shocked
Fri May 12, 2006 at 04:38:00 PM PDT
From the subscription-only Congress Daily, Chris Strohm reports that NSA whistleblower Russell Tice will make some on bombshell revelations on Capitol Hill next week:
A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the agency under the supervision of Gen. Michael Hayden beyond what has been publicly reported, while hinting that it might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens. Russell Tice, who worked on what are known as special access programs, has wanted to meet in a closed session with members of Congress and their staff since President Bush announced in December that he had secretly authorized the NSA to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens without a court order. In an interview late Thursday, Tice said the Senate Armed Services Committee finally asked him to meet next week in a secure facility on Capitol Hill.
Tice was fired from the NSA last May. He said he plans to tell the committee staffers the NSA conducted illegal and unconstitutional surveillance of U.S. citizens while he was there with the knowledge of Hayden, who has been nominated to become director of the CIA. Tice said one of his co-workers personally informed Hayden that illegal and unconstitutional activity was occurring. [...] I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. It's pretty hard to believe, Tice said. I hope that theyıll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn't exist right now. [...]
Tice said his information is different from the Terrorist Surveillance Program that Bush acknowledged in December and from news accounts this week that the NSA has been secretly collecting phone call records of millions of Americans. It's an angle that you haven't heard about yet, he said.
what 2 things
In the last paragraph of your post Re: The Other Side of Mel Gibson, you state,
There's two things that booze does. You omitted the second thing. What, in your opinion, is the second thing that booze does?
I get it. You really do think all those things....
just in poor taste to post them. We are on the same page now.
I believe three things
1. My eyes watching Scooter's conviction.. 2. Valerie Plame, the person who knows her situation best. 3. Patrick Fitzgerald. Now there's a guy with a high IQ that was not manufactured by professional fact fixers.
Two things....
Obama has already said he was going to put a windfall profits tax against the oil companies...money earned by one person...and divvy it out in $1000 whacks to people who did nothing to earn it. That is redistribution of wealth and that is Marxist. He already said he was going to do it. Government run health care is socialism.
Second question...how is he going to pay for all that stuff you have listed there? Tax oil companies more? What do you think that will do to gas prices?
Just wondering.
What are those things
Can someone explain what those things are outside the RNC. I understand wanting to protest and you hold a sign up showing your viewpoint and maybe you yell out something you believe in, but I can't understant what those things are that are wearing masks, being dragged away, having to be hosed down by the police.
What a nonsense and insane world they must live in. I'm all for freedom speech, but this is beyond my understanding.
Also - don't they have jobs? Do their employers allow them to take time off work to go do this and get arrested? I want that job. HA HA
A few things I would add...
This reply is picking up at the point after the main context regarding religion, which was addressed now under 2 separate posts.
The comments regarding basic human kindness. Is that a one-way street? What part of the Black Liberation Theology campaign which, if I recall corectly, you championed most vocally and most repetitively was not about race, politics or religion? If it's not two-way, it's a dead end. Perhaps leading by example would be a first step in the right direction.
With regard to welform, it is comforting to know that both candidates and both parties are on agreement and promote programs that tie welfare, jobs and training together. In terms of expecting welfare recipients to climb out of the "lower bracket," it is curious that you would hold them to an entirely different standard than you would the entire middle class, which again, if memory serves me, you claimed in a previous post in defense of tax cuts to the wealthy, fell into that same "lower bracket." To bankroll welfare that would raise the middle classes out of the "lower bracket" would most certainly appear socialist, and of course, we can't have any of that.
I am not aware of any candidate who seeks to "stifle" American ingenuity. Please enlighten us on that one. Are you referring to tax increases on individual incomes in excess of $250,000 or the proposals that would remove tax loopholes for large corporations? I am confused as to how that would "stifle" them. Our candidates seem to be in agreement on the need for government accountability and fiscal responsibility. Not soo sure how McCain proposes to go about it, but O has outlined his fiscal policies nicely here http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ and has detailed him in his Blueprint for Change here http://origin.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf.
That unity Americans supposedly shared in the aftermath of 9/11 is what some people would characterize as shellshock after an act of war on our own soil. Seems that the present administrations's response to that attack over these past 8 years is exactly why the nation is so divided now. That shared experience is not something that can be taken back. One thing is for sure. The politics of fear that worked so well for them is not really working that well anymore, so there is no "going back;" there is only going forward from here.
Not quite sure what the prayer statement is trying to say, especially in the context of discrimination (?) against Christians. God is on the currency, but Jesus is not. If you are referring to prayer in school or any other public gathering, I'm afraid that could get pretty messy. Nothing against prayer or praying, but this being a country where all are free to practice their religion, then public places would need to have a prayer room and rug to accommodate the Moslem practice of call to prayer, meditation rooms for the Eastern faiths and the like. In assemblies led by Christian prayer, it probably would need to be followed by a prayers or readings from The Torah, The Holy Kitab, The Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, The Avesta, The Confucian Analects, The Doctrin of the Mean, The Holy Mencius, The Great Learning, The Holy Quran, The Hadith, The Holy Akaranja Sutra, The Holy Kalpa Sutra, The Holy Kojiki, The Holy Nihongi, The Holy Tao Te Ching, The Holy Chuang Tzu, The 4 Vedas, The Upanishads, the 18 Puranas, the Bhagavid Gita
see what I mean? Kinda messy. There is a reason our forefathers had the insight to provide for the PRIVATE practice of religion.
On the abortion issue. This is easy. All people do have their say. That's why we have choice. Free to exercise the choice to have or NOT to have an abortion. To remove choice is anything but free. So you want quality, affordable, portable health care for all, lower costs, etc. Here's a plan you might consider. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Thank you for saying things that I have
been trying to say. Thank you for standing up for Jesus. Thank you for not being afraid to say how you feel. I, too, am a born-again believer and I am terribly burdened by what I have read on this board. I am shocked that so many of my co-workers do not believe in prayer, or even in God. I guess this is something I have always just taken for granted. Once again, thank you for your courage.
One thing we can do, as believers, we can pray for wisdom in making our decisions who we will vote for in this election. Also, whoever is elected, we can lift them up daily for strength and wisdom and God's will in the decisions they make for our great country!
If you don't like things the way they are NOW, and you
most definitely that you were intellectually challenged.
You have taken things too far!
You do not have the right to call someone ignorant just because they interpret those quotes as racist. If you don't think they are racist, fine.....after all we are all entitled to our own opinions. If you can't handle people having a different opinion than your own, don't bother reading or posting on the board. Calling people names does not prove your point.
Obviously there are other people on the board other than the original poster who feel those quotes were racist. I have always thought Obama and his wife were racist and these quotes are just more proof of that.
no one is looking things up and
posting for discussion. they are recycling the old attacks about flag pins and trying to provoke silly discussions to distract from the precipitous plunge of the McClain campaign in the face of the wall street debacle.
It is the WAY you said things
you were very condescending. That doesn't get anyone anywhere!
I am not judging you but the Bible also tells us to basically "check one another" when need be. And I am checking you. Chill out and have a little compassion. Be on fire for Jesus, by all means, but be SMART about it!
There are some things, whether Dem or Rep, that
Christians have to be intolerant of. We absolutely ARE NOT supposed to hate anyone and we are instructed to love our neighbors as ourselves. That doesn't mean we have to tolerate things that go against our beliefs; we just have to be kind no matter how we feel about a situation.
Too bad you don't know how to put things in
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so many of these things can be
turned around and said about Obama. The lack of his experience. He has never run anything. He has consistetly voted present instead of making an executive decision of yes or no. He has only been in the senate for 4 years and has spent more money on pork and earmarks in those 4 years than McCain has his whole political career. Palin got rid of the personal jet the prior governor had. She has made her state a success and she has given money back to her constituents. She has the highest approval rating as governor. You care about the money the RNC spent of Palin's clothes which will be given to charity and you don't comment about the millions and millions of dollars that Obama has spent during his campaign....not to mention the 2 million dollar shindig they are planning in Chicago during election...who is paying for that? you bring up troopergate with Palin and yet you refuse to see Obama on committees with terrorists who gave money to radical groups. All the money that Obama raised for educational purposes didn't improve the schools in his district at all. The housing that was in his area for community organizer....especially the ones owned by Rezko were so bad that people had no heat during the Chicago winters. The same Rezko who he had sketchy dealings with in order to buy his mansion for way less than what it is worth. Obama the same man who attended church for 20 years where the preacher did nothing but preach about how America sucks because it was run by whitey and blacks should take over. Not to forget his cousin in Kenya who Obama campaigned for and gave money to and when his cousin lost the election....his followers rioted and killed innocent people. Obama campaigned for him when he visited kenya. What has Obama run successfully? The housing in his district were not up to snuff. The school he pledged to help with the committee he was on did not improve. Are you not seeing a pattern here.
So go spout your BS somewhere else because this person, who has done her research, isn't listening. Obama has many more sketchy things in his life than Palin and he has just as little experience.....and he is running for president....NOT VP.
There are many things about
Barrack Obama that scare me. His far left ideas are just a tip of the iceberg here. The facts that he will basically force companies to unionize by getting rid of a secret ballot will lead to corruption. It will lead to more control by the democrats. With a democrat controlled congress with a democrat in the White House.....who are we to stop anything? Obama will have total control and I literally shake at the idea of having a man like Obama....with his radical ideas and his associations.....with power over our country. I never thought the USA could be threatened by a dictator........but I truly fear we are heading in that direction and that thought terrifies me.
he says a lot of things -
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Some things
he might not have specifically said because he wasn't thinking of the Americans who would be sitting around splitting hairs (wild hairs I might add). RE: "And only recently has he started saying workers."
I don't believe that she said these things
Until it can actually be substantiated, rather than just hearsay, I do not believe that Palin did not know that Africa is a continent. That is ridiculous. She is not a stupid woman, regardless of whether or not you like her. Remember--Obama said something about 57 states, but I don't believe that he doesn't know how many states there are, either.
EMR and VR are two different things.
EMR just refers to being able to access medical records via computer rather than having to have the paper chart in front of you. That part will not affect our work load as the reports still need to be done & entered on the computer system.
VR is a completely different nightmare than endangers patients almost as much as offshoring IMO.
Things that don't add up...(sm)
To me there are 2 glaring problems with this (besides the fact that she can't care for that many children)
1. She is supposed to be on workers comp for her back, but she can carry a pregnancy of octuplets? I would think workers comp would be investigating that. It's one thing to have a bad back and accidentally get pregnant, but this was intentional.
2. I think she's a certifiable nut, but isn't she majoring in psychology?
There are many things that
factor into the car industry crisis. First off, unions, in my opinion, are the bane of the car industry. States that force unionization show a lower number of production, lower number of job growth, etc. The states that do not force unions have a higher rating in production and job growth. When the economy was booming, the unions didn't help but they weren't running business into the ground. Now that the economy sucks....the unions are sucking the life out of the car industry.
Next we have Americans buying foreign cars. Not only does that send money to other countries but it is hurting American auto makers, etc.
Then you have the legacy costs that, just like the unions, were okay during a good economy but are now sucking the life out of the car industry. To allow people to retire at 50 and then receive that kind of pension is insane. They shouldn't be letting people retire that early....unless their health doesn't allow them to work.
Then you have the CEOs making huge amounts of money and other higher ups who are making millions to do absolutely nothing.
Now our economy stinks and people can't afford to buy cars and the ones who can are too afraid because the car industry is struggling as well as they are also scared of their own finances if this gets worse.
All in all....we have succesfully killed the car industry. Dealerships are closing doors like crazy. Dealerships go a whole day with no traffic on the lot. People are losing jobs left and right. Factories are closing. People are forced to take a week off each month, etc. It is truly scary and we have greed to thank for this whole thing. Greed in government.....greed in the unions.......and greed in CEOs, etc.
Saying it and doing it are 2 different things
It's all fine and dandy to act like the "tough guy" but at some point someone who is supposed to be "sane" at the moment they are committing the crime and thinking they are doing justice by a vigil ante (sp?) attitude is no better than the original person who committed the crime. There are very sick people in this world. If they commit a crime they should be put behind bars and get the counseling they need. But to take matters in your own hands and dowse someone in a chemical and set them on fire. That chemical then goes down the throat. The fires then goes down their throat. Its just awful awful awful. I don't care how much anguish, anger, frustration you feel. She had no right to do that and she is no better than he was. I stick by my statement and I hope the family of the rapist sue this lady. What she did was unspeakable.
There are many other things
that will have to change and happen before I give much praise to the current administration. As for Nasdaq going up....that is great but we will all have to wait and see if it stays up.
No matter what rhetoric you preach or how much kool-aid you drink, the fact of the matter is common sense.....you can't spend and borrow your way out of debt. The current administration is making a huge mistake spending all of this money
Obama says he wants better education and yet he does away with vouchers and the teachers union does nothing but keep bad teachers employed. You cannot let the teachers union control things and make education better at the same time....it just won't happen. If we held teachers accountable and fired them for poor performance, the teacher's union would scream and shout.
He wants national healthcare. Who wants the government to decide how long people live and whether or not they should receive treatment or not? Who wants government to tell you what procedures you can have done and when you can have them no matter how urgent your need is?
He wants bigger government. I don't want everything controlled by government. That gives them too much power and they obviously are too greedy to handle such empowerment wisely for the sake of the American people.
So what if the market is up.....whooptee do. There are still so many things that Obama wants to do that I cannot agree with. There are still too many crooked things going on in Washington with Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Tim Geithner, Pelosi, etc.
For once I want a president and politicians to actually do things that are best for the American people. Not what is best for the executives who gave them money for their campaign but the American people who work hard everyday and are struggling right now. I'm tired of having a president in office who is being pulled by puppet strings.
Those car fax things are only
accurate if people report their accidents to their insurance. If they take it home or to someone they know and have it fixed without turning it into insurance....that won't show up on a carfax report. Just a tip.
Two things.
1. I believe she meant that Glenn Beck had a heart for the soldiers. Which he does.
2. There are a whole lot of us in the deep end with her. And we like it here.
Two things: 1. No he's not hot.
2. Barf, barf.
Two things: 1. No he's not hot.
2. Barf, barf.
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