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Thrown Away Flags Story False

Posted By: sally on 2008-09-06
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Days before the anniversary of September 11, on the same morning that John McCain and Barack Obama released a joint statement pledging to avoid politics in light of the anniversary of the terrorist attacks, McCain's campaign accused Democrats of throwing away 12,000 American flags.


"The campaign says the flags were recovered from Invesco Field after the Democrats concluded their convention there," Fox News reported, "and they are going to be used as part of the warm-up ceremonies before McCain takes the stage" for a rally in Colorado Springs, Col.


But according to a senior official involved in organizing the Democratic convention, the McCain camp is simply lying about the flags.


"All of the flags at Invesco were picked up and put in bags and into storage, along with the unused flags and campaign signs. The flags were going to be donated, and the signs were going to be sent out to be used elsewhere," the official said, speaking anonymously since he was not authorized to talk to the press.


Fox News' Carl Cameron and Bonney Kapp reported that they had "been told" that "a vendor at Invesco Field found the flags, which were going to be thrown out, and turned them over to the McCain campaign."


The Democratic convention official says that's not true.


"It's pretty reprehensible on their part," he said. "Someone made an assumption, took the flags, and essentially lied about what was going to happen to them. I mean, c'mon, we were never ever going to throw out flags."


Emails to three McCain spokespersons inquiring where the flags were found and how the McCain campaign obtained them were not returned.


UPDATE: DNC spokeswoman Karen Finney issues a statement: "American flags were proudly waved by the 75,000 people who joined Barack Obama at the Democratic Convention. John McCain should applaud that, but instead his supporters wrongfully took leftover bundles of our flags from the stadium to play a cheap political stunt calling into question our patriotism. On the same day he agrees to join Barack Obama at Ground Zero on September 11, John McCain attacks the patriotism of Obama supporters who so proudly waved the American flag at our historic event in Denver just days ago."








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Jindal Admits Katrina Story Was False

Jindal Admits Katrina Story Was False




Looks like the game is up.


Remember that story Bobby Jindal told in his big speech Tuesday night -- about how during Katrina, he stood shoulder-to-shoulder with a local sheriff who was battling government red tape to try to rescue stranded victims?


Turns out it wasn't actually, you know, true.


In the last few days, first Daily Kos, and then TPMmuckraker, raised serious questions about the story, based in part on the fact that no news reports we could find place Jindal in the affected area at the specific time at issue.


Jindal had described being in the office of Sheriff Harry Lee "during Katrina," and hearing him yelling into the phone at a government bureaucrat who was refusing to let him send volunteer boats out to rescue stranded storm victims, because they didn't have the necessary permits. Jindal said he told Lee, "that's ridiculous," prompting Lee to tell the bureaucrat that the rescue effort would go ahead and he or she could arrest both Lee and Jindal.


But now, a Jindal spokeswoman has admitted to Politico that in reality, Jindal overheard Lee talking about the episode to someone else by phone "days later." The spokeswoman said she thought Lee, who died in 2007, was being interviewed about the incident at the time.


This is no minor difference. Jindal's presence in Lee's office during the crisis itself was a key element of the story's intended appeal, putting him at the center of the action during the maelstrom. Just as important, Jindal implied that his support for the sheriff helped ensure the rescue went ahead. But it turns out Jindal wasn't there at the key moment, and played no role in making the rescue happen.


There's a larger point here, though. The central anecdote of the GOP's prime-time response to President Obama's speech, intended to illustrate the threat of excessive government regulation, turns out to have been made up.


Maybe it's time to rethink the premise.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/jindal_admits_katrina_story_was_false.php?ref=fp1


 


How do flags go from dumpsters to storage?
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Bush and Company ignored the red flags!
The Bush administration was notified about Moussaoui wanting to learn to fly but not to land, and they totally ignored it. There was a lot intelligence information prior to 9/11 that was ignored, yet some people on this forum continue to thank George Bush for keeping us safe. Personally, I think Bush deserves much of the blame for 9/11.
Dems throw flags in garbage
Click the link below.  Tsk, tsk, tsk.  How unpatriotic.
Just wait a minute. The flags were reported
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Obama campaign discarded 84 trash bags full of American flags...sm
after they left Invesco field, after the DNC convention.

You tell me, after reading this article.....who has more character, and who is more patriotic? I feel as if the flag has been spit upon, 12,000 times.

Night and day, my friends. Night and day, between these two candidates.



http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/06/mccain-camp-to-chastise-dems-for-discarding-american-flags/
The embryos that are thrown away, just
exactly what are they going to grow into being? I am not rooting for abortion here, just asking about these in vitro fertilization embryos that are tossed aside, I want to know, what are they going to grow into? And as far as me not reading enough, I have read plenty enough, enough to know they don't know if this research will come up with a cure or not, I guess that is why they call it research.
Volunteers being thrown out
When I first read your post, I thought the votes were being thrown out!
You only would have been thrown in jail
to pay what you owed. Haven't any of you known or heard of someone that made an error on their taxes? Are the all incarcerated? Geez.
Absolutely right, Clinton was not thrown out
but you whining Reps cried because he lied about a BJ....ohhh my, how freakish, how awful, it might endanger what?  But now we have a moron who is lying about even the simplest details, waging war, not at all a statesman, blowing OUR freedoms willy-nilly, the WORST president ever, anywhere on this globe.  A complete idiot! and you fall for his crap hook, line and sinker.  Shame on you!  To give your rights, your liberties, your freedoms, your loyalties to the likes of him, or anyone for that matter, a moron with moronic ideas! and no sense of history.  If he had a sense of history, he would have NEVER invaded Iraq.  Who is the coward?  The one who says talk first, or the one who says take my freedoms, anything to be safe?  Our forefathers looked down a barrel of a gun for YOUR freedom, Bush did not even do his SAFE Reserve time!  He makes me physically ILL. 
You could've fooled me. Must have been thrown
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Doing spell checking on others can get you thrown off
I don't use spell check here and I definitely do not correct other's errors, see them all the time but know better than to do for the above reason. When you pay my check, then take note of any errors, ok?
Clinton was thrown out of the white house
think you better check your so-called facts.
So you think it is more helpful to watch shoe being thrown
at our current leader than to hear about the new administration's cabinet members?
Mercy me honey, the facts were thrown
out to ya left and right all over the place before the election and those like yourself just turned a blind eye; why bother now? Closed minded people just choose to stay that way......they can't get past O loving selves.
Those are just bones thrown in hoping to pacify

some us who smell something foul.  Charges "can" be filed against him again.  And for now he is "still in custody."  Pretty soon, Gitmo will be closed and they won't have sufficient evidence to refile charges and they will say they have no choice but to release him...


That's my prediction.


Yeah, and Bill Clinton should have been thrown out
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Berg Lawsuit Thrown Out - Case Closed
Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot

By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News

hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656
A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.

Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president.

He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.

Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.

They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.

Surrick agreed.

In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.)

Berg could not be reached for comment last night.

Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there.

Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery.

The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate.

Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4.

Tests can be thrown, college admissions bought and sold
Since when can IQ be extrapolated from SAT test scores? I'd appreciate a source citation so I can read up on that, unless you are going on those lame IQ test websites that have assigned W, O and Michelle's IQ all at 125. Fact is, brilliant people have been known to score low on SAT for a variety of reasons so that argument is not terribly convincing.

I'm going strictly on such measures as butchery of his native tongue, i.e., inability to form more than monosyllabic 6-word sentences without a teleprompt or cue cards, how challenged he is to complete a whole thought and his dependence on behind-the-scenes heavyweights to engineer his campaigns and run his presidency, just to name a few.

W was denied admission to St. John's Academy (HS) and UT School of Law. This does not happen for no reason. His distinguishing accomplishment at his Dad's alma mater was joining the secret society of the Skull and Bones brotherhood. I'm a firm believer that strings were pulled on his behalf (as they were on so many other occasions) to get him into the ivy league track, unlike Obama, who did it the old-fashioned way (scholastic achievement) when he transferred to Columbia and was ultimately admitted to Harvard, where he graduated magna cum laude.

Bush does have an impressive record of failing at almost everything he every tried to do before (and after) his political career: In abstentia service in the National Guard, bombed election bid for the Texas House of Representatives in 1978, and an oil company that went bust which he left under a cloud of suspicion of insider trading. He did manage to capitalize on his 5-year dalliance with the Texas Rangers baseball team (could't really call what he did there REAL work) just long enough to get good name recognition for his run for gov and make a profitable sale of his shares in the team.

This less than stellar performance was totally eclipsed by the multitude of screw-ups while in office, way too much to get into in the confines of this forum. Bottom line for me is that his behavior and performance is very uninspiring, less than mediocre and not at all suggestive of much in the way of creativity or intellect....in other words, the polar opposite of the O. Hence the statement, IQ is good for the country. The wisdom angle was somebody else's attempt to side-step the issue of W's stupidity.
No, both plus yours are false.
On intercountry adoption you will find the following: "...the laws of the child’s country of birth govern all activity in that country including the adoptability of individual children as well as the adoption of children in the country in general"...that country of birth being the United States. It does not matter in the slightest the hoops Obama's mom and adopted father had to jump through to satisfy INDONESIAN immigration law, designation of religion or school admission requirements. Dual citizenship, triple citizenship...whatever...does NOT and WILL NEVER cancel his US citizenship.
False Ad

Obama Continues Airing False Ad


heritage.org


this was not false
This was on the news, it is online and this comment was not false.  Do you not keep up with the latest?
false accusations
You know, back in the late 1990's, I belonged to a political group and there was one person who started off posting okay, as the hours went on, her posts grew more and more illogical, like how yours do.  Well, when I finally befriended her, she confided she was an alcoholic and when she first sat down, she was okay, as she drank, her posts did not make sense.  Kind of like your posts.  I have told you over and over, I NEVER wished rotting in hell to anyone on any of these boards, I wish it still for Bush and all that got us into this never-ending war against *terrorism*.  Then you state I called the three cohorts three stooges, nope, not me.  The thing that cracks me up, is the proof is in the pudding.  The posts are here for anyone to read and see that your accusations are false.  So, why dont you just put that bottle down, its only gonna give you major organ damage in the long run.  A nice cup of green tea can be just as relaxing.
False beliefs
On the flip side, what good will the war do us when we lose our house, our jobs, can no longer afford the food in the stores, can't buy gas to get to work (if you still have a job), you and your family now have to find a campground or shelter to live at (or worse) and the banks close and now you can't get any of your money out that you may have in there (this has already happened somewhere - would have to research again to find the exact location but its here in the US). This is exactly the scare tactics/agenda McCain is trying to push (gotta keep up the war, keep up the war, everyone is the enemy, lets keep it going for 100 years) - give me a break! They are trying to get enough people to be afraid (which is in itself a form of terrorism) that we are going to be attacked again. You know what...get our troops home and we will have more troops to protect our borders and increase security here in the US) Well first the economy is the most important issue (at least to me), unless of course you plan to pack up your stuff and go join the service and fight over there. If the economy collapses where are you going to be. How bout your parents/grandparents who cannot just pick up so easily and move to another area. McCain keeps pushing the war issue because he has no clue about the economy. He doesn't even remain consistent with his issue on gay marriage. My feeling is I don't care if George & John down the street or Mary & Sue down the road want to get married - that will not effect my day-to-day life however the economy does, my job does, eating and paying bills does affect me each day. McCain was at a meeting and he said he was for gay marriage, then 11 minutes later he said he was not for gay marriage. He's too old and out of touch with reality. Do you really want someone with his temper ready to hit the launch button in in whim? He is not a stable man (in my opinion).
false. Throw something

else against the wall, may be it will stick.


 


True and false
True - last 8 years were not good (including the last two with a democratic congress). With that said I was glad there were two new people running and not Bush again.

Attractiveness is a major component for success.

Charisma can be successful but very very dangerous. Charisma mesmerizes people. When people are mesmerized they don't think clearly. They fall into a hypnotic state (which Obama is very good at), and you can tell them anything and they will believe it. Just look at all the people who actually believe Obama is the Messiah or Moses.

As for the qualifications. Obama doesn't have any unless you call being a charismatic speaker experienced. After all he got a lot of people to believe that being a community organizer was enough experience to be president. I also found it interesting Joe Biden and Bill Clinton both said he lacked the experience to be president.
This is a false rumor
Check out emails like this that you get on snopes.com.  If you go to snopes website and type in AIG bailout congress pension you will get the real truth.  So many emails I get are totally false I never forward anything until I check it out on snopes. 
This is false per www.truthorfiction.com. sm
I think it is a good letter fake or not.

Ms. Kathleen Lyday is a real person, works for Grandview Elementary School in Hillsboro, MO but told TruthorFiction.com that she did not author this letter.

We have not found who actually wrote this.

Below is the disclaimer from ToF.

School teacher wrote a letter to President Obama criticizing his actions on a 2009 overseas trip -Fiction!



making false statements
Well, if someone posts that I have called them a bigot TEN TIMES and all I see is the heading of my post talking about bigotry..what do you call it?  I call em as I see em..Liar is someone putting out false and misleading statements.  Stating that I called you a bigot 10 times is false and misleading..hence, liar..
Your "quotes" of what I said in my post are false. - sm
I said nothing about suing a Christian wearing a cross, nor did I mention the ACLU. I also said nothing about 'not going near the
White House'. And I basically know nothing of the Mt. Soledad cross, nor do I really give a rip about it.

If you're going to use this forum to try to push your faith on people, and if you're going to 'quote' me, then you better first:
a) Actually READ the post,
and
b) Quote me verbatim, without making up a lot of garbage that I never said.
false. No basis in reality for
this statement.
False charge exposed
RE: Obama filed lawsuit that "bullied" banks into giving risky loans.

Buycks-Roberson vs CitiBank Federal Savings Bank 1994. This was a class action lawuit which sought to challenge the practice of redlining, based on the 14th Amendment requirement of "fair and equal treatment for all citizens." The lawsuit charged that CitiBank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories. This was settled out of court. Some class members received cash payments and CitiBank revised its discriminatory lending practice policies.

The action was brought against a single bank…CitiBank, though redlining was a widespread practice at the time. Obama DID NOT FILE this lawsuit. He was a junior member of an 8-member team that worked on the case. The lead attorney for CitiBank does not recall ever seeing Obama in the court during the proceedings. Obama charged a total of 2 hours and 50 minutes for his work on the case for reviewing some documents before a deposition and appeared ONCE before the judge to request an extension of time for filing a response to a motion in the case.

This decision did not "force banks" to do anything except to process minority loan applications the same as they were processing loans to white applicants. If this outcome in any way contributed to the mortgage crisis some 14 years later, it would be based on the fact that the banks were already handing out those "bad loans" hand-over-fist to the white applicants…a practice they agreed to extend to ALL applicants as "fair and equal treatment" under the 14th Amendment.

Once the facts get a thorough look-see, it becomes evident that the charges the McCain camp are trying to lay on Obama are (surprise, surprise) patently false.

Like I posted above, this is flat out false
He knows there is no way in heck he can do this. Like I said above, a state representative told me they don't even get those plans like the Senators do and other high officials in the white house and you won't be getting the choice of one either. He said the cost to us would be trillions of dollars to pay for it, those with insurance they are now paying for won't even be allowed to get on board, which he said Obama knows means those on the welfare roll will be the ones he will be trying to get the better healthcare plan for. Well, Obama must be in lah lah land because how are they going to pay for this plan on welfare? They won't.....you and I will but WE won't be getting that plan.


Beware of false prophets!
Thanks for the vote of confidence in a country I still believe in! Keep that divisive attitude - it will serve you well.
And the false prophets name is Obama
Oh, and your welcome, especially since the O keeps dividing the country and not keeping his promises about being the "only" candidate that will bring both democrat & republicans together and have them all on his cabinet, when the only ones he's bringing in are the democratic nazi socialists.

You believe in this country? Do you not see what's happening all around us. Even the O is telling us its going to get worse. Is that what you have confidence in? Sounds like one of those overused phrases that don't mean anything like "yes we can" (i.e., yes we can ruin the country) or "hope" (i.e. hope everyone else will be too focused on AI to see what damage can be done).

Actually the crats are the ones with the "divisive" attitute. Nothing more divisive than bringing only crats to the table.

We'd all be a little more hopeful if he would keep his campaign promises.
That's false; Jefferson didn't say that. sm
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp
"Buried false fable"
nope, not talking down at all.

I don't need to get over myself, and I don't hate and I don't have intolerance EXCEPT for when someone claims to be Christian and does otherwise.

I love all the kindness and tolerance he has shown to the millions of unborn babies who will die thanks to him. SOOO kind! And he was definitely kind as he bowed down to a foreign leader. He'll be so kind as to willingly sell us all to the highest bidder. Can't wait!



There are so many false statements in your post...
Afghans are not Arabs

Arabs cannot get along among themselves? Neither can Republicans and Democrats.

Obama cannot withdraw troops in Iraq as fast as he thought because the situation changed. The Taliban in Pakistan is getting stronger. Already during his campaign O said he will send more troops to Afghanistan.

Waterboarding IS torture.

The beheadings started after the Abu Ghraib torture pictures were published.


Hamas is O's heritage? That's a little farfetched. In addition Hamas is militant, Obama is not.

Hamas is Netanyahu's counterpart. Tot-for-tat. Both are extremists. Both want the same: Netanyahu wants whole Palestine for Israel, Hamas wants whole Palestine for Palestine.

Will never happen! The only solution, aleady accepted by Israel, the Palestinians, teh Arabs and the US is the 2-state solution.

The Palestinian president Abbas did not accept the proposal of Netanyahu for a 2-state solution as the conditions set forth by Netanyahu were ridiculous and inacceptable for the Palestinians.

Netanyahu's reaction: Again, immediate bombing of Gaza.
I made it through your foxy post, full of faulty statements.

I noticed that you mentioned at least 5 times regarding JTBB...'come on, JTBB, you are smarter than that...' Fozy, foxy, is this your MO (this means modus operandi? it's Latin) this gives me the creeps...



There are so many false statements in your post...
Afghans are not Arabs

Arabs cannot get along among themselves? Neither can Republicans and Democrats.

Obama cannot withdraw troops in Iraq as fast as he thought because the situation changed. The Taliban in Pakistan is getting stronger. Already during his campaign O said he will send more troops to Afghanistan.

Waterboarding IS torture.

The beheadings started after the Abu Ghraib torture pictures were published.


Hamas is O's heritage? That's a little farfetched. In addition Hamas is militant, Obama is not.

Hamas is Netanyahu's counterpart. Tot-for-tat. Both are extremists. Both want the same: Netanyahu wants whole Palestine for Israel, Hamas wants whole Palestine for Palestine.

Will never happen! The only solution, aleady accepted by Israel, the Palestinians, teh Arabs and the US is the 2-state solution.

The Palestinian president Abbas did not accept the proposal of Netanyahu for a 2-state solution as the conditions set forth by Netanyahu were ridiculous and inacceptable for the Palestinians.

Netanyahu's reaction: Again, immediate bombing of Gaza.
I made it through your foxy post, full of faulty statements.

I noticed that you mentioned at least 5 times regarding JTBB...'come on, JTBB, you are smarter than that...' Fozy, foxy, is this your MO (this means modus operandi? it's Latin) this gives me the creeps...



There are so many false statements in your post...
Afghans are not Arabs

Arabs cannot get along among themselves? Neither can Republicans and Democrats.

Obama cannot withdraw troops in Iraq as fast as he thought because the situation changed. The Taliban in Pakistan is getting stronger. Already during his campaign O said he will send more troops to Afghanistan.

Waterboarding IS torture.

The beheadings started after the Abu Ghraib torture pictures were published.


Hamas is O's heritage? That's a little farfetched. In addition Hamas is militant, Obama is not.

Hamas is Netanyahu's counterpart. Tot-for-tat. Both are extremists. Both want the same: Netanyahu wants whole Palestine for Israel, Hamas wants whole Palestine for Palestine.

Will never happen! The only solution, aleady accepted by Israel, the Palestinians, teh Arabs and the US is the 2-state solution.

The Palestinian president Abbas did not accept the proposal of Netanyahu for a 2-state solution as the conditions set forth by Netanyahu were ridiculous and inacceptable for the Palestinians.

Netanyahu's reaction: Again, immediate bombing of Gaza.
I made it through your foxy post, full of faulty statements.

I noticed that you mentioned at least 5 times regarding JTBB...'come on, JTBB, you are smarter than that...' Fozy, foxy, is this your MO (this means modus operandi? it's Latin) this gives me the creeps...



False. Check out info for facts first.
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Poster below believed this to be a false statement
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No, I equate him with a false teacher/leader
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Nah, she probably already made up her mind it's false, even if AP reported it...nm

All general statements are false, so you are wrong... sm
There is one exception. Fox News fans are idiots.
Another argument based on false premise.
underpinnings of our democracy? Here's a clue just for you. What is the function of the Supreme Court? Since when do the 3 branches of our govt NOT interpret the constitution? This has absolutely nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with the ignorance you seem to feel compelled to display, and dern proudly, I might add.

Before you try to tell the rest of us how we should be thinking and such, perhaps you should be addressing your own severe afflictions, starting with your blind hatred.
**Buried False Fable** of Obama not being

religion. Quit turning things around to suit you.


They lie to perpetuate the war on false terror, and control with fear.nm
z
warnings of false gods and religions in the bible...nm

Don't you think that common sense would dictate this to be totally false?
It's these sort of ridiculous statements that contribute to the ignorance that is rampant out there.
Yeah, let's resurrect this buried false fable.

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