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To answer this I would only repeat my prior statements..nm

Posted By: Democrat on 2006-06-11
In Reply to: So you think the genocidal Saddam changed - ???




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Repeat - Factcheck is not a reliable source, Repeat - no reliable
You keep citing Factcheck and we keep having to tell you Factcheck is not reliable. Why is it not reliable? Because it is funded by the Annenberg Foundation in which Obama is part of. AND because Obama was Chairman of the Board. It really is like talking to a wall. So let me repeat and read this nice and slow. Factcheck...not a reliable source. Cheese-o-Pete...you might as well just say you asked Michelle Obama and she said it's real. Additionally....the b/c they put up there was found to be a forgery. So...once again...factcheck not reliable...b/c submitted was a forgery.

So are you a fortune teller? You don't know if he will be elected or disqualified and neither do I. If the SC comes back and says he is legite I will drop the subject. If they find anything out of the ordinary then I will most likely say I told you so. If they say he's not legite but we'll change the constitution just for him, then I will be madder than a hornet and you'll hear from me. But all in all I will be satisfied with what the SC says. We won't know what their decision is until they make it.

If it comes back that he is ineligible and he lied, he better do some explaining to this country about why and he better calm his worshippers down. I think overall the country will be okay. For as many supporters that he has there are an equal number of people who don't support him and view him to be ineligibile. There are even people who support him, but are saying...wait a minute here, things are not adding up. Just show us the certificate and be done with it. In fact more so now since all this info came out and many people upset about it that they didn't know ahead of time.

As for what I think will happen. I really don't know. I do believe that quite possibly Hillary will step in and become President because she is the one that he wronged by campaigning when he knew he did not meet qualifications. So I believe probably she will become the next President and Biden will remain VP, or Biden will step in as President and she becomes VP.

I highly doubt the SC will just elect McCain because the republican party did not win and now that we have a congress/senate that's all democrat (or mostly democrat) they would prevent that somehow.

As for McCain? Heck no I didn't want him in there. I wanted one of the following - Chuck Baldwin from the constitutional party (but he had no chance whatsoever). I was also interested in Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. I really like Dennis Kucinich. I agreed with a lot of his ideas (especially impeachment of Bush) and I have agreed with a lot of what he has voted on in the past.

So maybe what I would really like to see happen is if the O is disqualified to have another "mini" campaign. All the candidates can run again and then the public decides after one or two months of campaigning. So, instead of having a President inaugerated in January they could be inaugerated in February or March. It would be different, but nothing like this has ever happened before.

I'll just say this on the whole b/c issues and this is why I say this and I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

1. Let me first say I voted for Obama in the primaries. So in no way do I hate him or a racist or whatever else people want to throw out. I voted for him because he has some ideas I thought were good (thought is the key word).
2. After he was elected I read about the stolen election from Hillary (even though I was way so not supportive of her). I started learning about his lies to the people. His dealings with Ayers, ACORN, Wright, Farrakhan etc, etc.
3. He funds different groups who create websites to detract from the issues.
4. The media treated him like a prince while trashing McCain/Palin. I was no fan of theirs by all means but what happened to them was uncalled for.
5. The b/c he put up on the "factcheck" site was found to be a forgery.
6. We find out he's born in Kenya and legally goes and has the records sealed, along with his school records. He is hiding something and that is not very reassuring for over half the country here.
7. His grandmother was in the room when he was born along with his sister and brother.
8. His sister mentions multiple hospitals he was born at, while Obama mentions something totally different.

Those are only a few of the issues that are my concerns about his legitimacy.

On the other hand you have the issues/policies of his that I don't agree with and am finding out more and more how unsafe our country is going to be.

The incident in India has the you know what scared out of me and the thought of that happening here in our country is a real issue for me.

I was in the US Army. I spent 8 years in the service defending the country. It just makes me a bit upset to hear that people don't care if the Constition is not upheld, just so Obama gets in no matter what. All I want is the Constituion protected. That's all I'm asking for. Our founding fathers created it for a reason and we need to abide by it and not change it. I saw where Barney Franks tried to change it so that a foreign born could become president as long as they had been a citizen for 20 years (it was quite odd timing because not too much longer after that Obama decides to run and then we find there is a forged b/c. Timing of all this is just way too suspicious. All I say is let the supreme courts decide. That is what they are there for. I have read articles that say The Supreme Courts job is to protect the constitution and even if it means that a decision they make is not going to be popular, they are bound by their duty to defend the Constitution and they will.

So, once more I want to repeat that Factcheck is not reliable source because Obama/Annenberg Foundation and Factcheck are one in the same.
Read prior messages...
Messages seem to say prepared = gun ownership/usage
My point is that prior presidents have had their day..sm
and time when they were covered in mud and IMHO none of it is right, except to say in most cases the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

But, to answer Jeb's and Bush's family mishaps with the what about the Kennedy's line is dodging the point to me.

Bringing up the Lynch and Dean ordeal that's something worth listening to, but you guys just can't let go of old democratic presidents. It's like a thorn still sticking in your side. Everytime something comes up with Bush, you talk about Clinton, or even the Kennedy's, as if that dismisses Bush somehow. Whatever gets you though.
healthcare a problem prior to THIS war and they did
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Re: "associations" -- you never answered a prior
Jes' curious............
Re: "Closing Time" - Was cut off in prior post; please see this one.

This didn't come through very well in my other post.  I'm hoping it's better in this one.  Sorry. 


Closing Time


Jim Kirwan
12-10-8








Since Reagan we've been trying to make "Trickle-Down economics" work: For those to whom promises were made, Trickle- Down has been, not just a failure but it has been the major vehicle responsible for the most massive redistribution of wealth, from the population that has worked toward something, to those that wanted everything. Never has there been such a near total transfer of wealth in the history of the planet. This criminal-conspiracy has done what it was created to do ­ and it must be terminated with extreme prejudice, immediately, if we are to survive.


When 'Trickle-Down' was the political-priority of the day, the high-point in prosperity was to become a 'Millionaire.' Forbes magazine tracked those lucky few very carefully. Today Forbes 500 no longer bothers with 'millionaires' because there are just far too many of them-they have become inconsequential. Thanks to "Trickle-Down economics today the heavy-hitters financially are 'Billionaires' and above: which is all you need to know about how well this hostile-takeover of the American economy has worked.


The problem that this transfer of wealth has created has resulted in the Federalization-of-Privatization: As a result we are all facing another huge round of trickle-down economics, but this time it's being cloaked in a series of stealth-protected measures. These new tactics are commonly called BAILOUT or RESCUE packages, and nothing about their origins or their purposes has been made clear to those of us that will be forced to pay tens of trillions for our own destruction.


What's happening is this: First they used compromised laws to squash diversity and opinion within the entire field of communications, under Clinton and Powell's kid that ran the FCC. Together, competition was eliminated and monstrous empires were created that absorbed their competition outright. Once this happened, the entire edifice for total information management was in-place, using household names to lie to the public every minute of every day, whether on television or in print-with very few exceptions. With that completed effort it was easy to move directly onto the openly fascist path to WAR on a variety of fronts, supported and applauded by the very organs that were supposed to question whatever government does, on behalf of the people, as part of their constitutionally protected-jobs as so-called journalists. With the constitution gone, and the only allegiance worthy of that name having become the private for-profit motives that greed and arrogance breeds; in the sewers of those ruined lives where these so-called leaders "live," the current outcome is all that we should have ever expected from these new-age barbarians. (1)


We're still in the Twilight Zone; where Obama is just another man waiting to start a job, except that he seemingly can't wait to begin so he formulates their plans and then rushes to the nearest podium to expound upon the glories of what these programs (or pogroms) are pointedly designed to do; for them and 'to' us. And the sheep wait patiently to board the trains that will take them to the slaughterhouse.


The larger picture has or course remained hidden from the general public. What continues to go unnoticed is the number of profligate cities and towns, not to mention states that will have to be bailed out by the feds. Once this begins to happen, 'the rights' of states will disappear completely along with any independence from the federal-government. Remember the formula upon which bailouts are based: The crucial money provided is conditioned upon a federal "ownership stake" in everything that needs the money, and when this is applied to the states then all they have left to trade with is their broken-economies and their people who shall both become the property of the federal government that is today a private-corporation that serves only the privately-owned central banks and by extension the multi-national corporations. This is about to happen now to several states, including California; the sixth largest economy in the world. (2)


'BTW the "corporation" mentioned above has been bankrupt since 1933, and the result of that bankruptcy is that the USA went into receivership to the privately-owned Federal Reserve. The Dictator was correct when he said: "The constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper," he was actually telling the truth. It was probably the only truthful statement he ever made in nearly eight years.


The owners have simply allowed us to believe we have a constitution. Every law, code and statute world wide is based on the Uniform Commercial Code and has been in place since 1950. Of course no one in a position of power ever bothered to mention this to us did they? One must understand the UCC to understand how and why so many have gotten away with so much: And now they are upping the ante, to take it all.'


This explains why every courtroom and every government building has flags hanging that really are not American flags even though they appear to be. Each of them has gold/yellow fringe around them. They give us smoke and mirrors that mask what they created, which allows them to continue to say 'we have a constitution and a democracy.' Of course America was created to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. There is a huge difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic. The rights of the few and the many, can only be protected under a Republic, while under a democracy, the majority rules-absolutely.


There are however a few places that are still holding out against the one-world-order and the New Barbarians. Among these are Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, parts of Pakistan, possibly Iran and certainly Greece.


"Socialist leader George Papandreou called for early elections, saying the conservative government could no longer defend the public from rioters.


The government has a single-seat majority in the 300-member Parliament and opposition parties blame hands-off policing for encouraging the worst rioting the country has seen in decades.


'The government cannot handle this crisis and has lost the trust of the Greek people,' Papandreou said. 'The best thing it can do is resign and let the people find a solution ... we will protect the public.'" (3)


If America is to survive then we must stop this wholesale giveaway of everything that was once part of this society. The relationship between profits and earnings must be freed from the stranglehold that management has created in order to siphon off all the profits and wreck the companies they work for. In addition, the idea that government can function in any capacity as a major stakeholder in any form of private enterprise beggars the imagination far beyond any real possibility for saving anything; except the criminals and their enterprises that created this "crisis" in the first place. The 'economy' must be based on a bottom-up profit motive, based on the real wages of those that create the wealth for those at the top - and not upon the insanity that it is now! People must come first, and the corporations must be controlled at every level by the public!


There is no longer anything like responsibility anywhere in government or the private sector to anything except what can continue to be stolen, either by flawed and fraudulent bailouts, or through the strong-arm tactics that are currently acting "under- cover of law" and that are neither legal nor functional. Obama in this venue is neither a savior, nor a friend to the people that supposedly 'elected' him-he is just the instrument of the new global-government engine designed to finish the job and to close down this nation, once and for all! Americans need to watch what happens in Greece and follow their example, if there is to be an America to fight over in the future.


In the meanwhile, here is some of what's happened here already.


"With the focus on privatization, public-private partnerships, (dismantling local control); anyone with any common sense about them can see that; incrementally the power of the people is being given over to corporate control through various venues. Once upon a time we were subjects, then citizens, and now consumers. Everything is for sale. TV 'programming' is set up to entice "consumers" through the 3000 daily ads to buy, buy, buy! Utilities-waste- nursing homes, and even the people's water (once in local control) is open to the highest bidder or those with the most influence. In "public private partnerships or privatization" (despite the lofty high pitch sales rhetoric) means only one thing, a plundering of the people's money. Profits take precedence over any and all health or environmental concerns. It's pigs at the trough time, locally- state wise and nationally. This is not just happening in one or two isolated places but across the nation. Because we are narrowly focused (many times only one newspaper) parochially; we have little to no idea of the larger picture and what is being set in place.


As I read of various happenings across the nation; I am struck with the usage of terms and language being introduced into the public arena; with no explanation as to their meaning (if any). I asked a state politician a few years back what this terminology we're hearing lately of, "regional or regionalization" meant? He brushed the whole thing aside as inconsequential and told me that is was of no importance. Obviously, for me, that was an unsatisfactory answer. Most especially, since on the local level, I could see that it meant a great deal. It appeared to me, that ever so insidiously, local control was gradually being usurped by "regional" control of unelected officials. Consultants (strangers) were replacing local people in places of city government (at lucrative salaries). The sense of community (calling city hall etc.) was being replaced by various business entities, having little to no attachment to the heartbeat of the people. How could they, being strangers, with no sense of native pride or concern? Words like "regional, stake holder, empowerment zones, enterprise committees, visioning councils, smart growth, sustainable development etc;" had replaced understandable language! I didn't imagine that the usage of these terms across the nation (if you look) meant "nothing"." (4)


It's 'Closing Time' America, because unless you begin to do more than just watch, this place won't even be a footnote to the ruin that is planned for these people and this place that once held so much promise for everyone.


kirwanstudios@sbcglobal.net



A search warrant under FISA prior to 9/11
As you can see from the article cited below, Holder did not have that evidence. He was not the only person responsible for "not allowing" the laptop contents search. Seems there was a problem with intelligence sharing between the US and France. His decision was also defended by the FBI director. Unless being able to predict the future is a qualification for the AG, it seems that you could find a better reason to be losing sleep.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/08/60II/main508362.shtml

Prior military wife myself - know how it works -
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Perhaps you would prefer the "original" I got prior to my editing.....

The Little Red Hen called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'



'Not I,' said the cow.



'Not I,' said the duck.



'Not I,' said the pig.



'Not I,' said the goose.



 



 



 



'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did. The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.



 



 



 



'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen.



 



 



 



'Not I,' said the duck..



'Out of my classification,' said the pig.



'I'd lose my seniority,' said the cow.



'I'd lose my unemployment compensation,' said the goose.



 



 



 



'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.



 



 



 



At last it came time to bake the bread.



'Who will help me bake the bread?' asked the little red hen.



 



 



 



'That would be overtime for me,' said the cow.



 



 



 



'I'd lose my welfare benefits,' said the duck.



 



 



 



'I'm a dropout and never learned how,' said the pig.



 



 



 



'If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination,' said the goose.



 



 



 



'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen.



 



 



 



She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves.'



 



 



 



'Excess profits!' cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)



 



 



 



'Capitalist leech!' screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)



 



 



 



'I demand equal rights!' yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)



 



 



 



The pig just grunted in disdain. (Ted Kennedy)



 



 



 



And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.



 



 



 



Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, 'You must not be so greedy.'



 



 



 



'But I earned the bread,' said the little red hen.



'Exactly,' said Barack the farmer. 'That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.'



 



 



 



And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand.'



 



 



 



But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free. And all the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established.



 



 



 



Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one cared...so long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for.



 



 



 



EPILOGUE



 



 



 



Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.



 



 



 



Hillary got $8 million for hers.



 



 



 



That's $20 million for the memories from two people, who for eight years, repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember anything.



 



 



 



IS THIS A GREAT BARNYARD OR WHAT?


Judging by some of the prior town meetings

1.  Gimme a house.


2.  Make my boss pay me more (than I'm worth).


3.  Gimme.


4.  Gimme.


5.  Fix everything for me.


This is more the behavior of subjects toward a monarch than citizens toward a president.  Thanks, think I'll just stay home and improve my own life. 


 


In a prior post I made the following offer:

 


.....no amount of money would induce me to volunteer to be tortured (you know, beaten cut, burned - severe pain or harm).  But cut me a check (certified only, please) with a number followed by a whole lot of zeros and I would be waterboarded (strictly in the interest of science).  Our special forces are trained to withstand this and other 'harsh' interrigation techniques......  It's scary and unpleasant but way different from having your fingernails pulled out or a field generator and alligator clips used.


I had in mind more like $500,000, but yeah, for enough money I would certainly consider that an offer I couldn't refuse. 


 


The prior poster was explaining the church ministries
those ministries were consistent with Obama's life experiences, his political career and his current campaign platform. Voters like a consistent candidate with a consistent message, a concept that seems to elude many McCain supporters and certainly goes right over the heads of his campaign managers.

The previous poster was implying that perhaps members of the congregation, both past and present, find value and purpose in those ministries and often choose to participate in the church ministries that service their immediate communities and benefit those who are in the most need wherein, according to Matthew's gospel, the Spirit of Jesus dwells. Some of us really like that about Obama and find it admirable that he embodies this decidedly Christian principle and understands that that we all will be judged by the measure of how we treat the least among us.

My best guess is that the previous poster does not necessarily believe that Christian evangelical pastors of any and all colors are exactly void of fanaticism, bigotry and hatred. Rev Wright certainly may have appeal to some members of that congregation whose core beliefs he reflects, just as John Hagee has a certain appeal to some of his congregation. Having said that, there is still no direct evidence that Hagee reflects McCain's core beliefs any more than there is evidence that Wright reflects Obama's...except in the minds of those who are in charge of the hate patrol.
compared to the prior president anyone is a great orator

Listening to one of his speeches is a breath of fresh air compared to listening to Bush.....I'm betting O will make less speaking mistakes in his entire presidency than Bush made in any one given month during his.


repeat - sm
If checking the adoption records is part of the normal background check, then the only reason this is a problem is because the media is making it one.

Again, and I repeat. sm
This is NOT how MJF is every day!  I thought I explained this above.  I am not diminishing the disease.  My mother-in-law died of it a year and a half ago. It's a terrible disease.  But he controls much of the symptoms with medication, which he did not take, or so the word was last night.  Now I am reading that he actually had overmedicated himself.  Now, having said that, you have proved my point about apologies. I didn't hear anyone on the left mentioning when the famous leftie Ben Affleck, made fun of people with cerebral palsy.  He never apologized either, that I know of.  But, of course, that's different.  It's only bad when conservatives do it.  It's bad all the way around, I say. 
repeat after me

fair and balanced . . . fair and balanced . . . fair and balanced . . . obama is a muslim .  . . economy is fundamentally strong . . . fair and balanced . .  .


 


Anything.... I repeat - ANYTHING! is better
Biggest embarrassment this country has ever had in office. Time for Retardo to HIT THE ROAD.
Let me repeat myself
Because you're not getting it.

"Where did I say in my post to watch Fox News"

Where??? It didn't.

"Better to stay silent and remain a food, then to speak and remove all doubt" - Benjamin Franklin
Looks like I have to repeat AGAIN -
Snopes.com is not a credible site to verify truths/falses. They have been noted time and time again to say something is false when it's true and vice versa. It is a site run by two very liberal people. So if I go and create a website with a relative of mine and we put up a bunch of false claims as long as it veers in the positive towards the viewpoint we like your going to start telling us that we are credible? I don't think so. If you want to believe Snopes, then you might as well tell people to go read it in the National Inquirer, Star or any of those other sites you can access on line.

Here's a repeat one more time for those that do not get it.... do not come back here and tell us that something is truth or fiction because it said so on Snopes. Research many many sites. Do not judge things just by a liberal or a conservative site. Read, read, read and judge for yourselves. Find out who is behind these websites and what agenda are they fulfilling. Then make up your mind.

I could care less that the article has to say right now. What I am telling you and others is that Snopes has been wrong about many issues time and time again. Do not believe them, or if you do pull up their site pull up other sites as well to verify information, but don't come here and try and tell us something is or is not true because Snopes said it was or wasn't. Okay, got it now???
I'm not judging. All I did was repeat what she herself said.
I don't wrap myself in the Bible and the flag and justify my actions by saying that Jesus doesn't care if I act like a hateful person because he forgives me for every single thing I do, giving me free rein to act like a thug.  I take responsibility for my own actions.
I repeat...have as much right to be here and post as you do...
And until this becomes Venezuela North, I will exercise it. You can have all the opinions you want, and so can anyone else, along as they agree with you. If you have issues that are important to you, post them, defend them....don't spend so much time trying to silence me and put forth those issues that you are concerned about. No one is stopping you from doing that.
Will history repeat?
If Senator McCain is elected, wonder what excuses will be used to keep him away from the convention in 2012?
I repeat....there was no surplus...
that was just clever use of word. It was a "projected" surplus, and it was contingent upon a cap on federal spending for 15 years, and no added federal programs. There was no real "surplus" sitting around.

Mea culpa on the borrowing. I have already said Bush spent like a drunken sailor. Spending needs to be curbed. Neither candidate is willing to say what I think needs to be done...no more new programs and stop the ones that are not working. When we get back in the "black" again, then we can look at increasing programs. Throwing more money at stuff is obviously not the answer.
again why do i have to repeat this over and over WHO SAID IM CHRISTIAN!
IVE NEVER said that and in fact in my first post said "not all people against gay marriage are christian".

sacred to me means something i believe strongly in no matter what "faith" has to do with it, sorry you have nothing like that
Then I repeat...why doesn't your guy....
the prez candidate on the other ticket...go to a venue where actual Americans ask the actual questions and communicate with "us" directly??
Could you repeat the question?
Cause I can see Russia over there and they aren't too happy about having to loan Iceland money I can tell ya.
GP - how many times do we have to repeat
It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and is funded by the Annenberg Foundation. Obama, Bill Ayers, and Factcheck.org all have ties to the Annenberg Foundation.

Obama has ties to Factcheck.org. In 1995 Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Annenberg Chicago Challenge - A branch of the Annenberg Foundation.

Factcheck.org is part of the Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck was also chosen by the Obama campaign as the arbitrar of Obama's birth certificate.

Anyone can put two and two together and see that Obama and The Annenberg Foundation pays Factcheck.org to put out the false information.

Factcheck claims it has "verified" the O's bc, but other sites has found several inconsistencies which call into question whether the certificate is authentic.

Before you tell anyone they should quit reading blogs that have any useful information, you should not be citing a website that is clearly misleading people and feeding them false information, and that is paid for by the Annenberg Foundation which = Obama.
Disregard this repeat.
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I repeat - take it offline if you want to
Otherwise, any post on this board is fair game for anyone to read and reply to.

...and how could I have guessed that an individual's qualifications to post on a particular topic (in this case, terrorism, 9/11 and related intelligence matters) would be meaningless to you? Well, because you've already proven that you're the kind who's invited to a steak dinner and prefers to eat out of the garbage can.
If you can repeat yourself a zillion times..
Hearings where grounds for impeachment are the only topic of discussion are accurately referred to as imjpeachment hearings. Your attempts to distract do not change anything. The issues and evidence are up there for you to read. The links are provided. Dennis Kucinich can do this better than any of them. Watch the CSPAN interview and then come back and tell me there's nothing there.
This video is propaganda. Repeat...
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Stand down. If you respond, she will repeat herself
an over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Oh I see....just drive by and repeat the same opinions over and over.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.
Repeat: DNC phenomenal success.
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Yes I have. I repeat, he is a patriotic American first..sm
I also think that McCain is a patriotic American and have no desire to stomp on him and drag him through the mud just because he is not what I want for president.
Brainwashed. Rinse. Repeat.
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Whew - guess it's not a repeat then.
I don't always keep up with this board, but I thought this was interesting.
She did not repeat O's words, but that is is plan.
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I see he couldn't even repeat the oath...

of office without it being repeated for him twice. Get the teleprompters ready!


"Socialism!" Boo, Hiss, Repeat......

The government pays for police departments, other law enforcement agencies and the military, so I guess we have socialized security. The government pays for public schools, so I guess we have socialized education.


The government pays for cleaning the streets and waste disposal, so I guess we have socialized sanitation. With any luck, someday, the government will take on the responsibility of truly providing health care for everyone in the country, so I guess if that’s socialized medicine, I can hardly wait.


If conservative Republicans are trying to make a fear of socialism their rallying cry to upset the Obama administration’s efforts to deal with our economic crisis, that pitiful effort will only make them look even more ridiculous in the eyes of the general public.


Michael Spielman


"Socialism!" Boo, Hiss, Repeat......

The government pays for police departments, other law enforcement agencies and the military, so I guess we have socialized security. The government pays for public schools, so I guess we have socialized education.


The government pays for cleaning the streets and waste disposal, so I guess we have socialized sanitation. With any luck, someday, the government will take on the responsibility of truly providing health care for everyone in the country, so I guess if that’s socialized medicine, I can hardly wait.


If conservative Republicans are trying to make a fear of socialism their rallying cry to upset the Obama administration’s efforts to deal with our economic crisis, that pitiful effort will only make them look even more ridiculous in the eyes of the general public.


Michael Spielman


Will this then be a repeat of Sodom and Gomorrha?....nm
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statements from neocons

Read at your own risk..make sure you have a puke bucket close by.


Quotes from the The American Taliban










Ann Coulter

 


"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."


"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."


"Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"










Bailey Smith



"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."


 









Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women for America)



"Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office."










Bob Dornan (Rep. R-CA)



"Don't use the word 'gay' unless it's an acronym for 'Got Aids Yet'"


 









David Barton (Wallbuilders)



"There should be absolutely no 'Separation of Church and State' in America."










David Trosch



"Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. – Unless there is life there can be no murder."


 









Fob James (Governor of Alabama)



"Behind this judicial wall of separation there is a tyranny of lies that will fall... I say to you, my friends, let it fall!"


"A good butt-whipping and then a prayer is a wonderful remedy."










Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church)



"If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barb wire, do it."


"Hear the word of the LORD, America, fag-enablers are worse than the fags themselves, and will be punished in the everlasting lake of fire!"


"You telling these miserable, Hell-bound, bath house-wallowing, anal-copulating fags that God loves them!? You have bats in the belfry!"


"American Veterans are to blame for the fag takeover of this nation. They have the power in their political lobby to influence the zeitgeist, get the fags out of the military, and back in the closet where they belong!"


"Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death."


 









Gary Bauer (American Values)



"We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."










Gary North (Institute for Christian Economics)



"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship."


"This is God's world, not Satan's. Christians are the lawful heirs, not non-Christians."


 









Gary Potter (Catholics for Christian Political Action)



"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."










George Bush Sr. (President of the United States)



"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."


 











George W. Bush (President of the United States)



"I don't think that witchcraft is a religion. I wish the military would rethink this decision."*


"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."


"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."


"This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."




*Comment about Wiccans in the military










Henry Morris (Institute for Creation Research)



"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data."


 









J. B. Stoner (White Supremacist)



"We had lost the fight for the preservation of the white race until God himself intervened in earthly affairs with AIDS to rescue and preserve the white race that he had created.... I praise God all the time for AIDS."


"AIDS is a racial disease of Jews and Niggers, and fortunately it is wiping out the queers. I guess God hates queers for several reasons. There is one big reason to be against queers and that is because every time some white boy is seduced by a queer into becoming a queer, means his white bloodline has run out."










James Dobson (Focus on the Family)



"Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world."


"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."


"Today's children... They're damned. They're gone."


 









James Kennedy (Center for Reclaiming America)



"The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ."












James Watt (Secretary of the Interior)



 


 


"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand."*


 



*Secretary of the Interior in the Reagan Admin. Responsible for National Policy regarding the Environment










Jay Grimstead (Coalition on Revival)



"We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way."










Jerry Falwell




"We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism...we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today...our battle is with Satan himself."


"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters."


"The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc."


"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."


"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."


 









Jesse Helms (Sen. R-NC)




"The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian."


"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction."


"Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that cannibalism, wife-swapping and murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior."


"Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches."










Jimmy Swaggart (Jimmy Swaggart Ministries)



"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?"


"Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest."


"Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it...Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory."


 









John Ashcroft (Attorney General)



"Civilized people – Muslims, Christians, and Jews – all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator."










John Whitehead (Rutherford Institute)



"The [Supreme] Court, by seeking to equate Christianity with other religions, merely assaults the one faith. The Court in essence is assailing the true God by democratizing the Christian religion."


 









Joseph McCarthy (Sen. R-WI)



"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between Communistic Atheism and Christianity."










Joseph Morecraft (Chalcedon Presbyterian Church)



"Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."


 











Joseph Scheidler (Pro-Life Action League)


 


 



"I would like to outlaw contraception...contraception is disgusting – people using each other for pleasure."*




*I get the distinct impression that Mr. Scheidler's poor wife isn't guilty of feeling any pleasure…










Kay O'Connor (Kansas Senate Republican)



"I'm an old-fashioned woman. Men should take care of women, and if men were taking care of women today, we wouldn't have to vote."


 









Keith A. Fournier (Catholic Way)



"We need a legal strategy which protects the rights of those of us who hold Christian convictions which will afford us the opportunity to contend once again for the mind of this culture."










Laura Schlessinger



"I want to coin a phrase here, and I don't mind help. What would be the communication version of "ethnic cleansing?" Because that's what in particular the homosexual activists try to do."


 











Lester Roloff (Texas Homes for Wayward Youth)


 


 



"Better a pink bottom than a black soul."*




*Roloff opened a chain of homes for "wayward" youth in the state of Texas; he was later jailed in 1973 and again in 1975 for child abuse due to the punitive punishment techniques used in his homes. He would have been finished had he not of been specifically given permision to re-open his homes by, you guested it, Governor George W Bush.










Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin



“George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States, he was appointed by God.”


 









Pat Buchanan (Presidential Candidate)



"Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free."


"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The "negroes" of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours."


"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism."










Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition)




"The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers."


"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different...More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."


"When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals – the two things seem to go together."


"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."


"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."


"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."


"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."


"[Planned Parenthood] is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism – everything that the Bible condemns."


 











Patrick Mahoney (Christian Defense Coalition)

 


 


"It is deeply troubling to have an appointed, unelected commission remove an elected official from office [Roy Moore]. The Court of Judiciary has overturned an election and crushed the democratic process through their actions."*




*Interesting perspective coming from someone who's President was appointed by a group of "unelected judges", thus overturning a democratic election.












Paul Cameron




"I think that actually AIDS is a guardian. That is I think it was sent, if you would, about forty years ago, to destroy Western civilization unless we change our sexual ways. So it's really a Godsend."


"Homosexuality is a crime against humanity."


"Causes of homosexuality include: 'sex with animals'"*


"Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals."


 



*Paul Cameron was discharged from the American Psychological Association, the Nebraska Psychological Association, and the American Sociological Association due to his unethical practices and biased research regarding Homosexuals. His "research" has since been discredited by the scientific community; however his work is still referenced by many fundamentalist organizations as credible.












Randall Terry (Operation Rescue)




"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."


"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."


"I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your marriage as often as you like – and if you have babies, you have babies."


"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."*


"There is going to be war, [and Christians may be called to] take up the sword to overthrow the tyrannical regime that oppresses them."




*It is interesting to note that Randell Terry's son is Gay










Jerry Vines (Southern Baptist Convention)



"They would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl."


 











Rick Santorum* (Sen. R-PA)


 


 



"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [Gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything!"




*Now known as Rick "Santorum" Santorum










Robert Simonds (Citizens for Excellence in Education)



"As the church watches from the sidelines, the ungodly elect atheists and homosexuals to school boards and legislatures to enact policies and laws that destroy our Christian children and discriminate against Christian families."


"Atheistic secular humanists should be removed from office and Christians should be elected...Government and true Christianity are inseparable."


"We'll take away their power and their money. Money comes from students. We'll break their backs by taking 24 million kids out of the public schools."


 













"Raising your children under Americanism or any other principles other than true Christianity is child abuse."


"You do not have the right to be wrong, regardless of what any man-made or demonic charter says."


"Democracy originated in the mind of a rational being who has the deepest hatred for God."


"Do you realize that the only thing that gives democracy existence is sin? The absence of democracy is perfect obedience to god."


"The best way to insure the earth is never over populated is for sensible and righteous governments to clear all forms of atheism and heresy."










Ronald Reagan (President of the United States)



"For the first time ever, everything is in place for the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ."


 











Roy Moore (Former Alabama Judge)


 


 



"If they want to get the Commandments, they're going to have to get me first."*


"Worship With Your Vote"




*Interesting observation of the Radical Right, Judge Roy Moore commits peaceful civil disobedience by refusing to remove the Ten Commandments Monument from the Court. He is considered a Hero. Mayor Gavin Newsom commits peaceful civil disobedience by issuing same-sex marriage licenses. He is considered an Anarchist.












Rush Limbaugh




"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."


"If you commit a crime, you're guilty."*


"There is only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons... use them"


 



*Seems logical enough, doesn't it Rush?










Star Parker (Coalition on Urban Renewal & Education)



"Anybody that believes in separation of church and state needs to leave right now."










Tony Evans (Promise Keepers)



"The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified men who have been overly influenced by women."


 









William Rehnquist (Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court)



"The 'wall of separation between church and state' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."












Michael Savage (Savage Nation)

 




"Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it."*


 



*Statement made on live national television


 


I said your statements were ignorant - not you,
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He does not agree with the statements
This does not affect my decision - He does not agree with what this preacher is saying. He gave a very moving speech yesterday.
Innappropriate statements?
An assassination pool on our new president (whether we like him or not) is just an inappropriate statement? Promoting it is just an inappropriate statement? My God we are talking about a bet on a human life here!
I think there were statements to the illusion.... sm
that she would run in 2012 even before the election, but I don't have time to dig back for anything to substantiate that. Just my recollections.

I think we need to wait until it is a little closer to 2012 before we get all up in arms about who may or may not run and start fueling the fires. The political climate will likely be a lot different in 2012 than it is now and there will likely be a whole 'nuther set of issues in addition to the ones that were faced during this election.


Profound statements

 In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.                                       
  


John Adams 


 


                           




If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the     

newspaper you are misinformed.                                                       

                                                                            

Mark Twain                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                            

Suppose you were an idi0t.  And suppose you were a member of Congress …..                                                            

But then I repeat myself.                                                  

                                                                            

Mark Twain                                                                 

                                                                            

                                                                            

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a 

man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.                   

                                                                            

Winston Churchill                                                          

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                            

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the         

support of Paul.                                                           

                                                       (So true!!!!!)       

George Bernard Shaw                                                        

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                          

A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man,             

which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.                         

                                                                            

  G Gordon Liddy                                                            

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                            

Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep               

voting on what to have for dinner.                                         

                                                                            

James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)                                     

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                            

Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people       

in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.                        

                                                                            

Douglas Casey, Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University          

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and            

car keys to teenage boys.                                                  

                                                                            

P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian                                           

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                     

Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors         

to live at the expense of everybody else.                                  

                                                                            

Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)                             

                                                                            

                                                                            

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it  And if it stops moving, subsidize it.        

                                                    

                                                                            

Ronald Reagan (1986)                                                       

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                        

I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.      

                                                                            

Will Rogers                                                                

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                      

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it      

costs when it's free!                                                      

                                                                            

P.J. O'Rourke                                                              

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                     

In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money         

as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.           

                                                                            

Voltaire (1764)               (Oh yes)                                     

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                      

Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics 

won't take an interest in you!                                             

                                                                            

Pericles (430 B.C.)                                                        

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                       

No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in    

session.                                                                   

                                                                            

Mark Twain (1866 )                                                         

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                      

Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it.                              

                                                                            

Anon                                                                       

                                                                            

                                                                                                                                                       

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy appetite    

at one end and no responsibility at the other.                             

                                      


broad statements such as this

reveal much, much more about the thinker than the group he is maligning.  Ask any psych professional.  Ask Niles Crane. Dr. Phil.  Dr. Ablow.  Dr. Freud.


 


 


I applaud you for your statements but

I doubt anyone will listen for the reasons you listed. Everything you said is true and I agree wholeheartedly.


When I first came to this board, it was about the issues. There was no name-calling or nastiness, but as the election went on, it got really nasty. Links were posted so we could verify the information and/or come back with a retort. I came back after the election hoping that was all over with and was confronted with messages that were even WORSE than before the election. Like you said, there are no discussions on the issues. There aren't any links to verify anything. It's nothing but rumors and inuendos and O worshipping.


I've said it many times and it always falls on deaf ears. I see some are even on the gab board now about taking off work tomorrow for the inauguration. Lose money just to see "one of the most historical moments in history"? Not me. I've had it up to here with all of it. I've never seen an election where they had so many "historical" items for sale either. It's not the serious ceremony it should be this year. It's more like a circus or parade.


Sure, I wish him luck. He's really going to need it, but I doubt he can pull it off. There's going to be a lot of disappointed people in this country in a year or two.


 


Yes, let us get our statements correct.
Special Report: Barack Obama: The 44th U.S. President

WASHINGTON, Jan. 27 (Xinhua) -- U.S. President Barack Obama Tuesday held talks with congressional Republicans and urged them to quickly approve an 825 billion U.S. dollar stimulus package.

"The statistics every day underscore the urgency of the economic situation. The American people expect action," said Obama after meeting with Republicans.

"As I explained to the Republican House Caucus and I will explain to my former Senate colleagues, the recovery package that we've proposed and is moving its way through Congress is just one leg in a multi-legged stool," said the new president.

House will vote on the package Wednesday, and Senate committees began their own deliberations over it on Tuesday.

However, many Republicans turned against the large stimulus package. And after the meeting with Obama last week, House Republican Leader John Boehner said he and his colleagues told the president they feel the stimulus package is too expensive and too slow.

I personally think, Republicans do not have a chance with Obama. Look what our new president and the dems state about Rush Limbaugh. NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Must do what Obama says or he will back stab you. After he, Obama states, "I won and I will trump you."