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Weighed, yes. Judged

Posted By: - on 2005-09-24
In Reply to: too complicated of a world - gt

We are here at witnesses, not judges. 


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I weighed in with my radical retired Teamster husband

to make sure I get it right.  Having been married to me for a number of years, he is fairly well versed in the field of MT.  So let's look at unions from that perspective:


Say we have an MT who cherry picks and signs off every time a dictator comes up that she doesn't want to do.  Other MTs that have to pick up after this MT complain until the company finally decides to fire this bad MT.  Okay, the firing is done.  The slacking MT files a grievance with her union.  A hearing is scheduled with the Union representative, the company representative, the bad MT and any interested parties may also appear on either side as witnesses...a sort of trial if you will.  The company must present all records for the bad MT to day 1 of employment.  Co-workers can speak for or against the person.  Let's say that the documentation backs up the bad MT firing.  She is fired.......end of story.


Another real example:  Radical Teamster husband once had a hot-shot supervisor.  Husband got so angry one day that he threw a trash can at the supervisor.  He was fired.  He filed a greviance and was suspended until the hearing.  At the hearing the company brought their records of some 20 odd years of hard work and being a good employee, 1 episode of, I think they called it insubordination.    Co-workers appeared on behalf of husband.  Husband received a reprimand from the union about the trash can throwing incident and went back to his job.  Shortly thereafter the company fired the supervisor. Supervisors were not represented by the union and he was fired...period.


Wouldn't it be nice if MTs had someone to stand up for them today?


I have judged no one!
Odd that you should make that remark.  It seems you had someone of the Jewish persuasian here on this board, maybe two.  Why did you not ask them?  I see that it was because you were too busy attacking them.  Not a judgement, just an observation.  And again, defending Israel has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether Jews will go to heaven. I don't follow your logic at all.
Now, that's very noble of you and if you have never judged..sm
anything or anyone good for you. But you are coming to the defense of a woman who not only judges people, but is in a position to spread her ideals to millions. You have shown more vigor on this thread than you have on any of the other threads, and I know it was the F-word or maybe even the word devil that got your blood boiling.

You ask about Ward Churchill, and all I can say is it's too bad he feels the way he does about his country. I can't discount his feelings, but it is too bad he feel that way. He was wrong in indicating that the people in the twin towers somehow deserved what they got, dead wrong.

Now one reason why he doesn't bother me as much as Ann is because she has stereotyped *liberals* of which I fall in that category.
yep, and you SHOULD be judged by the friends that
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Didn't He also say judge not lest ye be judged? nm
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He most certainly will be judged differently -- less harshly!
It rode into the white house on the race card and for a while no one will look past the historical fact that he is the first African-American president.  Who cares if he has experience -- he makes pretty speeches and he is an articulate black man.   If you are not an Obama supporter and you are critical of his policitics and changes, that same race card will be thrown at you! 
Jesus also said "judge not lest ye be judged and let he who is without sin.....sm
cast the first stone. I am not a liberal, I am just not so rash and harsh when it comes to picking and choosing what liberty and freedon is, sometimes you DO have to put your own personal religious beliefs second, stand back, and try to play Solomon.....I am just concerned with true equity, I do not have to carry a banner or an "agenda", only a cherished belief system in my heart and soul, which I practice not only with righteousness, if that is what you want to call it, but with love, mercy, compassion, and forgiveness, very Christ-like beliefs, as I remember Scripture.
That's how I feel. How dare the victims be judged.sm
while we sit cumfy in front of our PCs and eat popcorn. That kind of stuff makes me SICK!


Will Obama be judged differently because he's black?

I never gave this a thought. The previous incumbent was so poor and Palin scared the bejesus out of me and McCain isn't that much of a maverick and doesn't know squat economically that I never let race enter into my voting decision. For me it was an obvious choice. (Not my first choice but by Nov. my only choice.)


If you read through this cnn.com article, you'll read that blacks who were innovative do feel they're or were held to different standards.


The very fact that this article is worthy of being printed surprises me.


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(CNN) -- Just days before he was sworn in, President Obama was giving his daughters a tour of the Lincoln Memorial when one of them pointed to a copy of Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address carved into the wall.


Obama's 7-year-old daughter, Sasha, told her father that Lincoln's speech was really long. Would he have to give a speech as long? Obama's answer was completed by his older daughter, 10-year-old Malia.


"I said, 'Actually, that one is pretty short. Mine may even be a little longer,' " Obama told CNN recently. "At which point, Malia turns to me and says, 'First African-American president, better be good.' "


The story is light-hearted, but it touches on a delicate question: Will people hold Obama to a different standard because he is the first African-American president?


Americans appear split by race on that answer. According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, 53 percent of blacks say the American public will hold Obama to a higher standard than past presidents because he is black. Most whites -- 61 percent -- say Obama's race will not matter in how he will be judged.


The question divided several people who were racial pioneers themselves.


Alexander Jefferson was one of the first blacks allowed to become a fighter pilot. He was a member of the Tuskegee Airmen, a group of black pilots who escorted bombers in World War II.


"We had to be twice as good to be average," he says.


Obama won't face the same pressures he did because his presidential predecessor was so inept, Jefferson says.


"No, the world is ready for him," he says. "The [George W.] Bush debacle was so depressing."


Jefferson was shot down by ground fire on his 19th mission and spent a year in German prison camps. He wrote about his POW experiences in "Red Tail Captured, Red Tail Free: Memoirs of a Tuskegee Airman and POW."


Jefferson says he dealt with the pressures of being a racial pioneer by drawing on the strength of black leaders who opened doors for him.


"I sit on the backs of everyone who came before me," says Jefferson, who attended Obama's inauguration with other Tuskegee Airmen.


Jefferson says he would have emotionally imploded if he'd thought too much about the pressures of representing all blacks and dealing with the racism he encountered when he returned home to a segregated America after the war.


"I did what I had to do so I didn't go stark-raving mad," he says. "There wasn't all this self-analysis and back and forth. I was too damn busy with a wife, a child and a mortgage."


Michele Andrea Bowen couldn't avoid a bout of constant self-analysis. She was one of the first African-American students admitted to a doctorate program in history at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.


"I know Obama is going to be held to a different standard," says Bowen, author of "Up at the College" and books such as "Holy Ghost Corner," which celebrate black faith and culture.


Bowen says she faced relentless scrutiny, and so will Obama.


"You know that it was hard for you to get in it, and you know they're watching you," Bowen says. "And you know that they're judging you by a critical standard that's sometimes not fair."


Bowen says a white classmate, her partner in dissertation, once confided to her that he received the same grades as she did, even though he knew his work was inferior.


"It toughened me up," Bowen says. "It can give you headaches and stomachaches. I learned you have to be thankful that God blessed you with that opportunity. At some point, you stop worrying, and you trust God."


'Would Bush have been president if he were black?'


Perhaps Obama will avoid those stomachaches because of the massive good will his election has generated. But that could change quickly if Obama makes a controversial decision or a mistake, says Andrew Rojecki, co-author of "The Black Image in the White Mind: Media and Race in America."


Rojecki says people who say Obama isn't going to be held to a different standard because of his skin color didn't pay attention to his campaign.


He says Obama had to deal with challenges that other candidates didn't have to face. Obama's run for office was almost ended by his association with his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose incendiary sermons shocked many.


But Republican presidential nominee John McCain's relationship with the Rev. John Hagee, who was accused of anti-Semitism, never threatened to end his campaign, Rojecki says.


"Obama was held responsible for what his minister said, and McCain was associated with Hagee, but somehow that didn't stick," says Rojecki, a communication professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.


Even people who regard themselves as the most progressive, open-minded supporters may subconsciously hold Obama to a different standard, Rojecki says.


He says several academic studies show that it often takes people longer to associate good qualities to blacks when different faces are flashed across a screen.


"They have these stereotypes buried in their subconscious," he says. "That's why people cross the street when they see a young black man. They'd rather not take a chance."


Obama virtually had to be perfect to overcome those stereotypes, Rojecki says. He was the first black Editor of the Harvard Law Review, he has an Ivy League-educated wife and adorable daughters, and he ran a great campaign.


"He's the perfect symbol of achievement," Rojecki says.


White candidates for office don't have to have an uninterrupted life of achievement to be considered for the Oval Office, Rojecki says.


"If George W. Bush were black, do you think he would be president?" Rojecki says.


Jefferson, the Tuskegee Airman, says Obama should have at least one consolation. The problems he confronts now are so immense that anyone, even someone who was considered by many to be perfect, would not be able to escape withering judgment.


"If the president was Jesus Christ, '' Jefferson says, "they would still debate if he's qualified."


 


Isn't amazing that you judged, sentenced, and stereotyped someone just from one Bible verse they
posted. My, you must be clairvoyant. And immensely proud as well. You really told her, didn't you. You should never quote the Bible as though you now what you are saying. The spirit in which you quote it negates any meaning YOU might give it. You actually just proved what that poster said to you.