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Why doesn't Obama come clean about socialism?

Posted By: sam on 2008-10-28
In Reply to: What about McCain, Kaydie? - Stardust

And if you wanted to know what McCain wants to do for the country you could go to his website and read it if you have room in your brain for anything not Barack Obama.


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Yes, but alas, socialism doesn't work that way....lol.
All you end up with is a lower class dependent upon the government for anything. Hello Cuba.
If socialism doesn't work - then why did W give the banks all that $$?
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Keep it clean now. Obama was
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Obama is th perfect storm for socialism.....
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If Obama plan is socialism then it was just voted in.
Got it?
Yep, and Obama's plans constitute socialism
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It is what Obama DOESN'T say....
that I am concerned about.
Obama doesn't even know how many

He said he has visited 57 states in this country, had 2 more to go.  Now, if this had been Hillary or a reb candidate, the media would still be dragging this through the mud.   Maybe it was just a freudian slip?  Organization of the Islamic Conference?


A little curious.


Why doesn't Obama let Biden take over for him...
and go to DC and show leadership like McCain is? Didn't hear Letterman making that point. And you won't either. lol.
Yes, Obama won the election. That doesn't mean he's the best man

for the job.  It just means he's good with deception.  Talk about smoke and mirrors! 


I don't know who or what Obama is and I don't know what role he will play in the years to come.  What I do know is our days are number and he will set the stage for certain prophesy to be fulfilled.  Watch and see.


Is Obama The Antichrist?  I don't know.  But the spirit of the antichrist is already in this world.


You're the one not getting it. Obama doesn't not have to do much of anything

in order to win over a "moderate muslim" because they are by definition open to Western ideas regarding politics and general ideas.  They embrace a sort of liberal Islam in sharp contrast to the extremist or fundamentalist muslims who have zero tolerance and believe in and embrace the concept of Jihad against the infidels. 


I'm not just talking about muslims who live in the U.S., but muslims around the world.  For example, President Karzai of Afghanistan has been deemed a moderate muslim because of his political ideas which is why he fears violence against him from the extremists in his country.


Get it?  Obama saying that he wants to "win over" moderate muslims is akin to a MTSO saying they want to "win over" Indian MTs to work with them.  It won't be hard and will take very little convincing.  Not to mention King Obama is the "world's president."  Like I said, he's just posturing of the media.  The liberal media loves him and his pretty speeches.  Journalists have become babbling idiots since O burst on the scene. 


and Obama DOESN'T mis-speak?-dont go there
Don't go there unless you are ready to hear it back. Obama thinks there are at least "57" states and talks of when the "bomb was dropped on Pearl Harbor". He is also the king of "uhhh" and "ummmm". He reads a teleprompter well. Otherwise, he makes many mistakes when speaking.
So what? Biden doesn't know the half of what Obama does....nm

i bet hillary doesn't vote for obama
will snicker as they push that button for mccain
I just hope Obama doesn't make use of them...
for political dissidents. You can't tell me that Congress, including Mr. Obama, do not know they exist. Come on now.
I don't believe Obama doesn't want town hall meetings....
because of the format...not to snub any particular town. He does not do when the questions are not scripted. No one knows what is going to be asked at a town hall meeting, and they are asked by regular folks, not paid commentators. Not enough control to suit Mr. Obama. I don't blame him. He doesn't have the experience to handle one, he would come off looking bad and he knows it. Politics 101. You would think, though, as much as he talks about hope and change and the people, he wouldn't mind answering a few questions from the people...?
Why doesn't Obama impose a windfall profits tax on the...
Hollywood bunch and redistribute some of THAT wealth if he is so he11 bent on redistributing wealth?? At least THAT windfall profits tax wouldn't raise gas at the pump!!
Repeated? Obama doesn't want to repeat tax cuts

for the rich -- and "rich," by the way, is anyone earning more than a quarter of a million dollars a year.


Obama wants to give tax CREDITS to businesses that keep jobs in the USA, instead of exporting them out of the country.


These huge greedy corporations may be creating jobs, but they're not creating American jobs.  Obama wants to try to slow that down and wants to reward companies who don't turn their backs on Americans.


Doesn't change the fact....Obama is a socialist....
and you are condoning trampling all over someone's civil rights because they asked a question and Obama answered it honestly. Why would that upset you so much? Ohhbaamaaa is socialist, he said he was in his answer, explained it very clearly. So you should just embrace his socialism and stop shooting the messenger, right?

Slurs? Unfounded accusations? You mean like doing a law enforcement background check on someone for asking a question?

That is HONEST?? pUleezzeee.
Well surely Obama doesn't fund all sources
a name please of a source you would consider credible.
Double standard doesn't cover Obama
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Who says Obama doesn't have a good sense of humor?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090510/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_correspondents


At the bottom of this article, there's a link to watch the video - it's a hoot!!!!


Who says Obama doesn't have a good sense of humor?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090510/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_correspondents


At the bottom of this article, there's a link to watch the video - it's a hoot!!!!


Commentary: Voting against Obama doesn't make you a racist...sm


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/beck.issues/index.html
A socialist country doesn't seem like such a bad thing?!? Then vote for Batista Obama.
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Hey you two down there....keep it clean
Get yourselves out of the gutter, and stop attacking in such vicious ways. You're using different names tonight, but still the same nastiness against certain conservative posters, so its obvious you're the same two people who do it every day, almost like clockwork.

There have been considerate posts from both sides all day, with thoughtful and civil discourse, with no vulgarity.... and it's been a nice breath of fresh air without you.

Keep it clean, please, or go elsewhere.



Come clean? LOL. O cant come clean because he
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Clean your shoe, why don't you.
Because obviously, that smell is following you around.

There is no Air America scandal and certainly nothing you can(reasonably, although we know you don't take that seriously)blame Rachel Maddow for. Air America's former CEO made some bad decisions (gee, that never happens does it?) because he had connections with the charity in question and the fledgling AA was in trouble. However, that was HIS mistake and he is no longer at AA (yes, some people actually get rid of poor performers, unlike our WH). AA didn't do anything wrong and there are no charges against them because there's nothing to prosecute. DESPITE that they have acknowledged that they feel badly about the entire affair and have offered to repay the money even though they are not obligated to do so. I'd say that's far from scandalous - and very much unlike anything you'd see a NeoCon do - they don't pay back ANYBODY even when it IS their fault. Why, here you have the Republican governor of Kentucky under investigation and he declares he's going to use the power of the office to PARDON HIMSELF. Nice schtick if you can get it, huh.

And when are you going to give up and admit defeat anyway? Still waiting for Karl Rove to flood the airwaves with his particularly sour mutilation of the truth? You can't win this one no matter how many radio stations you try to smear. You're all suddenly looking pretty sallow standing there in the spotlight all by yourselves. Face it - Bush will never live this down. His appointments will never live this down. They did wrong, the whole world has seen it. Even Shepard Smith and Geraldo have seen it. Even Newt Gingrich has seen it! Incredible huh? It hardly matters what they do now. The damage is done. Americans who actually care will save as many as they can from here on out and the news is only going to get worse for you and your conning stormtroopers. A lot of those people will survive. A lot of them will talk. It's not only Democrats who are enraged over this egregiously horrible bumbling. If I were you I'd just slink off into the shadows and not make it any worse for myself. For once Democrats and real Republicans are united against this deplorably out of touch and elitist bunch of Washington money-suckers. Don't blame us for the political mileage - that's just a sad side effect. We'll take it but we'd rather thousands more people had lived instead of having their corpses nibbled by rats in the filthy flooded streets. We owe them. So just stand down - this one is NOT SPINNABLE.
Lead by example and clean up
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Just want to clean up the environment.
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"squeaky clean" -LOL. You cant be serious about
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Hardly "squeaky clean".........sm
That is but one thing that really bothers me about him........how nothing thus far seems to stick. I think I will call him the Teflon President.
You and me both. We need a clean sweep of
government. Our senator from PA that was killed in a car accident (RIP-I really liked him) now has his SIL running for his seat. There will be a special election in February and I'll vote for the one I think is the best.
Err, yes they were. Better clean off those specs and
Please refer to my other "Err" post above.
Whoever gets the position will have a whale of a job to clean up. sm

Our troops are stretched so thinly worldwide that homeland security is compromised.  Ya gotta hear some of the older vets talking strategy...    


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiJk6MeBx54


So sad...so true.. clean-up-hitter.
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Thank you Clean-up Hitter and Sam for your posts below
I was so afraid I was going to get slammed/bashed for that one (the day is still early though HA HA). I find it is true though. My MIL - she is a true dem all the way. When DH points something wrong on their side she will deny, deny, deny, but in an instant will talk about some rumor or false thing she heard about the pubs. When talking to her (which I don't anymore about politics) but the only think I can think of is that line from the Harry Potter movie that Harry Potter said to Ron Weezely "that's totally mental". HA HA But talk about wanting to pull your hair out. Too frustrating. After last nights convention I am so psyched to listen tonight.

Okay, better get my work done now so I can watch later. Thanks again.
Who Scrubbed Palin Clean?

Why?


How the Wikipedia entry of Republican vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin was mysteriously scrubbed clean in the hours before John McCain revealed his running mate


http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/culture-tech/2008/09/usa-vote-palin-wikipedia


 


Wiki was also scrubbed clean,..
when Palin was picked. Imagine that! They scrubbed what they could without being TOO obvious.
It's not my party. Clean up your own mess....
oh...what am I thinking. You don't see any mess. Got it.

Don't have a range rover; 6 cylinder jeep. No leather. don't smoke, never have.

Class envy is really ugly.
Give it up, B. Come on out of the cesspool back to the clean air! NM

He is so squeaky clean, hence the fictional garbage. nm
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blame it on businesses who won't clean up their trash..................NM
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Court rules Bush violated Clean Air Act

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031701127_pf.html


Looser Emission Rules Rejected
Court Says Changes By EPA Violated Clean Air Act
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 18, 2006; A01
A federal appeals court blocked the Bush administration's four-year effort to loosen emission rules for aging coal-fired power plants, unanimously ruling yesterday that the changes violated the Clean Air Act and that only Congress could authorize such revisions.


A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit sided with officials from 14 states, including New York, California and Maryland, who contended that the rule changes -- allowing older power plants, refineries and factories to upgrade their facilities without having to install the most advanced pollution controls -- were illegal and could increase the amount of health-threatening pollution in the atmosphere.


The Environmental Protection Agency's New Source Review policy was formally issued in 2003 but has never taken effect because of legal challenges by state officials and environmental groups. The administration has long argued that the existing standards are too stringent and have discouraged utility plants and other industries from upgrading and expanding their facilities. But opponents have characterized the rule changes as a favor to administration allies in the utility and coal-producing industries that would greatly add to public health problems.


New York Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer, who led the court fight to block the administration's New Source Review policy, called yesterday's ruling a major victory for clean air and public health and a rejection of a flawed policy.


It will encourage industry to build new and cleaner facilities, instead of prolonging the life of old, dirty plants, Spitzer said.


In a statement, EPA spokesman John Millet said: We are disappointed that the Court did not find in favor of the United States. We are reviewing and analyzing the opinion and cannot comment further at this time.


Some studies have linked pollution from coal-fired power plants to as many as 20,000 premature deaths in the United States every year. Environmental activists have made curbing this type of pollution one of their most pressing legislative and legal priorities, and yesterday they celebrated the ruling.


Irish eyes are surely smiling -- and we all will be breathing easier -- with this green court ruling on St. Patrick's Day, said John Walke, director of the clean-air program at the Natural Resources Defense Council. This is about as thorough a rebuke a court can give.


President Bush took office in 2001 promising to ease regulations on coal-fired power plants as part of a larger energy production initiative. Three successive administrators of the EPA have tried without success to alter the rules and policies adopted during the Clinton administration that cracked down on aging power plants and refineries that were not equipped with modern air pollution equipment when they were upgraded and when their output was expanded.


Under the revised policy that was rejected by the court yesterday, power plants and other industrial polluters would not have to install new pollution technology if they modernized less than 20 percent of their operations.


The central question in the case focused on what constitutes an industrial facility modification, because that is what triggers the federal requirement to cut down on the smog or soot emitted by utilities, oil refineries, incinerators, chemical plants and manufacturing operations. Previous administrations, including Bill Clinton's, had interpreted that phrase to encompass any physical activity that increases pollution from a given facility, with the exception of routine maintenance.


EPA officials in the Bush administration sought to broaden this exemption by asserting that routine maintenance is any activity that amounts to less than 20 percent of a plant's value. But the ruling, written by Judge Judith W. Rogers, rejected that reasoning as illogical.


EPA's approach would ostensibly require that the definition of 'modification' include a phrase such as 'regardless of size, cost, frequency, effect,' or other distinguishing characteristic, Rogers wrote. Only in a Humpty Dumpty world would Congress be required to use superfluous words while an agency could ignore an expansive word that Congress did use. We decline to adopt such a world-view.


The other two judges on the panel were David S. Tatel and Janice Rogers Brown.


The EPA's statement did not indicate whether the administration intends to appeal the ruling. Both Walke and Scott Segal, a lobbyist for the utilities industry, said it would be difficult for the administration to forge ahead in light of the appeals court's strong ruling. Walke said the decision is tantamount to the court burying the rule six feet under, where before it was just in a casket.


Segal said the ruling will make it more costly for plants to operate. This is a missed opportunity for reform that would have made it easier to improve power plant efficiency and workplace safety, and that's bad news for consumers and the environment, he said. We believe it is a step backwards for the protection of air quality in the United States.


© 2006 The Washington Post Company

You can put lipstick & a clean dress on trailer-trash,
;p
Clean Energy Fuels and Nancy Pelosi

My, must be nice. Trying to pass a bill for clean energy and who is going to profit from this? T. Boone Pickens owns Clean Energy Fuels. Nancy and her husband bought #50K-$100K worth of stock in May 2007. No wonder she's pushing it. It means a fortune for her.


Another site states her husband bought the shares alone, but she lives in CA where it's share and share alike.


http://selfinvestors.com/tradingstocks/news/the-pelosi-pickens-profit-plan-with-clean-energy-fuels-clne/


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72225


Why would you call people who just want a nice clean commentary on a board...sm
a bunch of bullies? I'm amazed at you. How are we the losers when someone else calls us names all night long and we only ask for common civility?

Your logic seems backward. It was a bully of one, directed at us.

And if you really want to talk about a bully pack, look to yourselves. The dems pile on sam to no end some days, nasty nasty stuff, when it's just her on. Why is it okay for you to do it to her with meanness, and we only ask for civility and common courtesy, and yet we're the bad guys?

We're all Americans here. Why do you continue to divide us? We're more alike than you care to admit, in a lot of ways.

But the big one that separates us, from the media, down to the people on blogs, is that liberal dems are mean and downright nasty to republicans. If we don't agree with your point of view, on almost any subject, you treat us as less than nothing. I just don't understand it.

I was trying to be helpful last night, and point out that she really should try to get along. But she didn't want to. Sally actually has some good posts occasionally, hidden in between her icky ones. I look for them sometimes, and feel she should be here, as is anyone's right. But no one should have to be subjected to vulgarity.

That's the big difference too. Dems don't want to get along with anyone, most often. You only get along with yourselves.

Very, very sad.
Ayers doesn't regret the bombings, doesn't feel like they did enough sm

In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."


Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.


He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.


Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."...so because it was 40 years ago, and Ayers is still proud of what he did, how is it justifiable for a US presidential candidate to now be friends with this man?  Unless he has the same view of America.


Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm
It does not count because its in the bag that our 3 electoral votes will go to the republican party.
Socialism
AMEN!!!
The era of socialism
With the bailout by the US government, each and every one of us will be mortgage lenders to the tune of $7000 per taxpayer.  We will officially be socialists, brought to you by your favorite political party the REPUBLICANS.