Wise choice on your part - and poor judgement on O's! nm
Posted By: Kathy on 2008-10-17
In Reply to: Yeah, I don't trust Obama's character - Several questionable associations. nm
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definitely shows poor judgement
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Obama's poor judgement...Michael Pfleger, William Ayers, Tony Rezco..
Jeremiah Wright, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson, Jamie Gorelick, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac big bucks. We could both go on and on. All politicians are crooked to some extent. Face it, neither one is a great candidate, we have louse options on both sides this time. Fortunately, whoever does win will only serve one term.
6.5% is a pretty strong margin for "such a poor choice"
and any pretense on your part to know why someone did or did not vote for him is pure speculation. As for me, not only was he the best choice by a long-shot, but he hold the promise of being a great leader...in Colin Powell's words, a "tranformational figure" at a time when the country needed it the most.
hey, she's pretty good, she got the poor part right!
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What part of "you don't have a choice" don't you understand
"Obama will call on citzens of all ages to serve America" My God!!!! Don't you hear this. Don't you question this. Don't you know what the germans when through with Hitler????
Forced is forced. You can put any fancy name on it you want. It is still the same as military service. Once in you don't have a choice of what you do. I was in the military, I lived with a german couple who went through the holocaust and heard many stories. I KNOW the military. What starts out as civil service turns into military service. Heck call it the country club service if it makes you feel more important than the military. The truth is this is forced and you don't have a choice. This is how the Hitler youth started (by feeling more important than those who weren't in the Hitler youth). They then went on to be the SS and finally the Gestapo. Sure the Hitler youth felt very "patriotic" and wanted to serve the Fuhrer. They were made to feel privilaged and would receive things (i.e. tuition to college, etc). It later turned out to be a much different story and unfortunately they had no choice. You cannot just leave whenever you want to. I don't want to see my nieces and nephews have to go through that. I blame all who voted for the O for that.
P.S. - NOT voluntary! What part are you not understanding. Mandatory and forced do not mean you have a choice. Just wait til the uniforms come. It's going to be slow but when it happens maybe you'll remember what I said. But then again the parents of the Hitler youth's wanted their children to enter the Hitler youth so they too would feel privaleged and patriotic. I just can't believe people are buying into it without a second question. That is what is so "disgusting" about that!!!!
Poor, poor MT. She can't pick a fight with anyone on her own board tonight and must come here to
I will though...It sounded more like a polite judgement...sm
But it doesn't matter. There really is no need to keep going on and on about it, but since we are did you get up at arms when Cheney used the...hold your breath...F-word on the floor of the Senate? And did he apologize? NOT...(this is from June 25, 2005) **Cheney, interviewed by Fox News Friday, said he had no regrets about his remarks to Leahy and I felt better after I said it. He added, A lot of my colleagues felt what I said badly needed to be said.**
What about judgement? Wright, Rezko, Ayers,
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It won't be menstruation that affects her judgement..... it'll be
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I don't feel the need to make the choice. It's a child, not a choice. n/t
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Poor Poor Rush. Hey, how is AIR AMERICA
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Poor, poor Obama......sm
and I bet you don't think that huge press conference, surrounded by the adoring media masses, pandering to poor me (O) being taken advantage of....you don't believe that was political grandstanding?
Tsk tsk.
I think your dad is a wise man, thanks....sm
..and if something you really wish does not happen, then it just 'was not meant to be', often to one's rescue.
Your dad was a very wise man.
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He was wise enough to
accurately assess that the country was ready to elect an African-American president, run a clean campaign and win a healthy mandate without having to resort to dirty campaign tactics, tainted election antics or manipulated/thrown court decisions that left the legitimacy of his office in question for his entire term of service.
His cabinet appointments have been very well orchestrated and reflect stragegies W could never envision, especially the part about appointments of former opponents and assemblage of such diverse points of view.
Notice I am not speculating about the future, but the rest of the world is. Check out the link below. He not only has world leaders enthused, but has also won hearts and minds of across the planet. Wonder what W's global approval rating would be? Single digits to be sure.
I'd say O is off to a pretty good start. He will be dazzling us with his brilliance (especially vis-a vis his predecessor) in short order.
http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/
she isn't wise
sorry
Maybe it would be wise...
It would be wise to at least wait for the next election day before you start to crow.
only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article. This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
You're a very wise person.
There is a definite tendency for some posters on these boards (not so much this one) to very negatively judge a post based on who posted instead of what was contained in the post. And you're right. That just detracts from the entire value of the post when they do that. (Anyone who doesn't believe me can visit the Conservative and see how they chew up and spit out those who don't assign nicknames to themselves.)
Thanks for posting and thanks for the link.
and this wise speech comes from a man
who admitted he's had too many wives, done too many drugs....and was happy to admit he inhaled.
Ahhh the credibility....
Wise Up and Get Real
I am without question loudly and proudly supporting Barack Obama. I am not supporting him because of the color of his skin, nor am I not supporting John McCain because of the color of his skin. I am supporting Barack Obama because he has inspired something in me. The belief and hope and optimism that there are actually people in politics who feel as I feel and will make a difference towards that end. The belief that people are people and that my neighbors next door and the people who live on the other side of town and the people who live in the next state and the people who live in the south and the people who live in the north all matter regardless of their ethnicities, regardless of their incomes, regardless of their education or lack thereof, regardless of whatever circumstances they have been born into. We are all Americans and we all deserve a chance to be educated, a chance to have healthcare, a chance to have hopes and dreams, and the opportunity to work for those hopes and dreams.
John McCain is not going to provide any of that, least of all hope. It is actually scary that the people who are so dead-set against supporting Barack Obama are the people who would reap so much of the benefits of his presidency. And I wonder why you don't support him? Gee, that is such a mystery! Yet you all go on about McCain picking a woman as his VP. Big deal! A woman or man can do the same job, but if you were smart you would realize it is about the right person and gender has nothing to do with smarts, compassion, fairness, hope, inclusion, and inspiration.
Wake up or you people are going to be in the same situation 4 years from now that you are in now. After all, how smart can you be if you voted for Bush over Gore. And better yet, how smart can you be if you gave Bush another 4 years and actually believed the lies about Kerry. My conscious is clear, I didn't vote for Bush. I voted for Gore and I certainly voted for Kerry after the first horrific 4 years. Please educate yourself and wise up. Fear is the reason Bush is president. Let go of it and make better decisions.
And if you are wondering who I am, I will be happy to tell you. I have been an MT for 5 years. I am a single parent. I own my own home and purchased it myself. I have 1 son. I homeschool him and he is above grade level in all subjects. I also happen to be African American and my son is of mixed race, as his biological father is Caucasian. I state these facts loudly and proudly just as I loudly and proudly support Barack Obama the best person for the most important job in the world.
Very wise words.
There's hope for the younger generation yet!!
Words from the wise
Everyone loves Bill Clinton. Every single democrat (well almost every single) democrat will praise Bill Clinton up and down. Even D. Morris referred to him in an interview as being "the most brilliant man" (we about threw up, but we repect Morris' opinion). He's always talked about with admiration by a great many and everything he says is true (according to a lot of the liberals). So...here are words from the wise one.
(In an interview about Obama)
"When was the last time we elected a President based on one year of service in the senate before he started running. He will have been a senator longer by the time if he's innaugerated. But essentially once you start running for President full time you don't have time to do much else"
This is so so true. How can anyone elect a person with only one year's time in Washington with no experience. Forget who he is, who he's related to, who he associated with, and even forget the whole non-US citizen thing.
Experience. That is what we need! Not a bunch of "feel good" statements to make you believe he cares about you.
I read an article that said the most rediculous campaign slogan is "Change". Change into what? Change into socialism? "Change For The Worse" is a better slogan.
"Hope". There's another one. Hope? Hope for what? Hope they don't see what I'm really about before I can mesmerize them and thell them I feel their pain and will solve all their problems. "Hopelessness" is a better slogan.
Then his talks about changing the world? Excuse me...we're voting for US president. Not Global/Worldwide president. You only have 1 year in the senate and now you think your qualified to change the whole world. Oh yeah, I'm sure the other countries are really going to love us with that one. They're already pretty "tanked up" that Bush is trying to change their government into the same kind we have. Sure Obama you'll go over really well. It doesn't surprise me though because the same people who financed Bush are financing Obama.
Sorry, I'm looking for
1. Someone with more years experience in Washington.
2. I'm looking for someone who is prior military and who understands and values our troops. Who will be able to end the war in victory and bring our troops safely home. Someone who will not vote against a bill that will provide the funding needed to keep our troops safe. Obama's plan doesn't tell you there will be a mass exodus to dupe everyone into believing he cares about our troops, but he'll turn right around and send them to other countries equally as dangerous, or what is worse, back to the same area but now the fighting will be worse. He doesn't care about our troops. He didn't even have the decency to go over there until forced into it. And even then he only went to places where there were photo ops for him.
3. I'm looking for someone who is going to fight for Americans (JM has and will).
4. I'm looking for someone whose running mate has more experience than the person running for President on the opposite side.
5. I'm looking for someone who knows how to rebuild America. Knows we can't just keep printing more and more money without anything to back it up. Common economics (guess O skipped that subject in college).
6. I'm looking for someoe who will not increase our taxes like Obama's plan will, all while sugar coating it and trying to convince us that it's good for us.
There are many many more reasons why I am for M/P over O/B, but those are just a few.
And....seeing as Bill Clinton is considered to be one of the most intelligent persons in American I will believe his words out of his own mouth.
Wise guys....
our founding fathers. The suggestion of separation of church and state is in the Constitution for a reason. This is not about accommodating the nonbelievers or any of your other extreme statements of protest.
Preserving religious traditions (especially Christmas) has a time and place...inside churches, in the privacy of our homes, in our faces at the malls, in restaurants, convenience stores, gas stations, smeared all over the landscape in parking lots, neighborhoods, etc.
My question to you is why is it some folks cannot tolerate religion-free zones? Injecting religous beliefs, symbols, etc can be an extremely divisive act, as we can see by your own post. Would you also mount such strong defenses, for example, on behalf of Moslem, Jewish and Buddhist invocations at the inauguration?
Many of us are sick and tired, just like you, but not for the same reason. I'm tired of having this stuff crammed down my throat and seeing it creep into the body of our laws.
Do you always get so hostile whenever somebody brings up one of the earliest and most Constitutionally protected traditions of our nation?
Your dad sounds like a wise man
and that might explain the enthusiasm of the OP (and my own). It reminds me of that novel from the 60s, Been Down So Long, It Looks Like Up To Me. The very fact that the W era will be a closed chapter FOREVER, and that we can FINALLY turn the page and come out into the light from the NeoCon nightmare is enough reason to party 'til the cows come home. I'll take "hard," even "worse," minus W with a smile on my face and another glass of Kool-Aid, please. Make mine sunny orange, please.
Well spoken, oh wise one.
I am proud to offer this suggestion to all of those who choose to ignore the fascism of the last 8 years and are frightened and terrified (and ignorant) of the idea of a black man in the White House: America, Love It Or Leave It! I have a few suggestions where you all can go, too!
Yes, I too have been worried about some sort of attempt on President Obama's life before we can be rid of the Bushies, leading to an attempt by them to hold onto power forever. However, I think they have screwed up the country so much that even THEY don't want it anymore.
Keith is great. The first of the mass media to speak up about the unconstitutional actions of the Bushies. Why was the rest of the media so frightened?
On a bright note, I suspect that Bush's appointment by the Supreme Court was our Thermopolis Pass moment in history: Bush's appointment led indirectly to the election of Obama, as the defeat of the Spartans at Thermopylae led to the rise of democracy in Greece, just as the rise of fascism in America has led to the resurgence of democracy in our great country.
Now, back to taunting Mr. 644 and the Evil Q! 
Because investors are getting wise to the whole
Count me OUT 4-ever.
Thanks, Sis! (Cheese it, though - someone might get wise.)
Tell Mom I'll be home for Mother's Day.
Gee, O's doing great $$ wise.
Besides his salary as President and his expense account, he made over $2 million on his book sales so far. Maybe he will share the wealth? NOT!. The rules for the little people don't pertain to him.
Just goes to show everyone doesn't become wise with age. nm
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Very wise post - you are right on with how I feel
And so many of us out there. His calming demeanor...yes most definitely. He has a soothing and reassuring voice. If I was in an accident or something like that his voice would be very reassuring and calming, but everything else I agree with you.
I loved your post. Thanks.
It is wise to broaden one's mind..... sm
but not to the point that one's brains fall out.
I was not attempting to retract a statement, unsuccessfully or otherwise. I was illustrating the point that the statement needed to be taken in context.
Cyndiee, you are a very wise woman.
I have been reading your posts here and on the Faith board, and I must say that you are a breath of fresh air. My hat is off to you!
That's a very wise place to get facts.
A spot called Killfile? They are blogs from people, not news reports. One-sided views just like everyone on this board complains about. I followed the link and it went to "outtheotherear". Another blog. Checked out the 3 writers. They really caught my eye:
Longing good candy, cool toys and up to date television, Mike and his family came back to Lockport in 1999. There he attended high school and reacquainted himself with the American Way. A “conspiracy theorist” teacher at Lockport High introduced him to politics and suggested that China might become important someday in the near future; he has been hooked on both subjects ever since.
Mike recently graduated from SUNY Geneseo with a BA in International Relations and minors in Asian Studies and History. In place of playing make-believe with Model United Nations and organizing with Democracy Matters, he now spends his free time blogging and looking for the next step in life. He spent the summer and fall working as an organizing fellow and Field Organizer for the Obama campaign in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Marc is very passionate about environmental, media, rural issues and issues of rural culture. He also feels it is his duty to keep other blogs held accountable. While he’s probably doing it a service in terms of credibility, his continual attacks will probably not leave him loved in the blogosphere.
Kate was born and raised in a dying industrial town in Upstate New York, an area she sees as a microcosm for a majority of America’s many detriments and successes. After earning a degree in History and American Studies, concentrating on Environmental and Native American History, she decided to try out state politics. Hating office work with every fiber of her being, she went back to school and is currently a graduate student, studying for her Master’s in Journalism and is the web Editor for Jerk Magazine, an independent Syracuse University student-run publication. She writes mainly about the inadequacy of mainstream media reporting.
I think you should stop flooding this board with blogs. They are one person opinions.
Words of the wise from one of the greatest men in history
I wish more people were interested in all that our founding fathers did for us.
Also: Penny wise and pound foolish?
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Also: Penny wise and pound foolish?
What good to reduce out carbon footprint when China and India won't, and if it bankrupts our whole nation?
the scorn of a fool is music to the ears of a wise man.
vive la Israel!
Just trying to be logical, but I doubt security wise that would be a good idea.
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He got a look when Biden was making wise cracks about Justice Roberts at the swearing in. sm
I think when he is under stress he has a hard time hiding how he feels, but I think it is more a sign that he is honest about his feelings, not that he is going to act out in some crazy way.
Poor man
That poor man, what he went through..I dont know how he survived.
The poor just need to die, right?
I don't know where you live, but where I live, you are better off working. Clinton cut welfare down to a pittance - 40 hr work week for $123 per week. Kids get Medicaid. Ah, can't forget the food stamps - must begrudge these sloths food!
In Nazi Germany, the Jews cooperated in their own destruction; the Nazis found a form of defection that looked to desperate Jews like cooperation, and they boarded the cattle cars. The message of the Contract Republicans seems also to be that the only cooperation we seek from the desperately poor is that they vanish. The message is that we do not care how they do it: die, leave or metamorphose into something else; just don't disturb us on your way out.
I know what it's like to be poor.....
I know what it's like to consider paper towels a luxury. Where Banquet salsbury steak, macaroni and cheese, hotdogs, rice and oatmeal was all I could afford to eat. I see that again in my immediate future due to job loss and illness in my family. If I'm in that 30%? So be it. We'll make it. We always have. I just refuse to worry about it.
Poor kid, he is confused, isn't he?
Poor people are not the only ones
so blaming obesity on the left IS the joke. Rush isn't poor is he? What about Cheney and Rove? I am well aware of the report he was referring to (I read it too) but describing *bloated tummies* and Unicef is sick and I don't see how anyone can call it satire. Further, what difference would it make if the link worked? You jumped to his defense without even knowing what the article said.
Poor Hillary
So Bill is now coming out saying people are picking on Hillary.
Oh the poor baby. Wasn't she the one who said "If you can't stand the heat....."
Whether I like her or not is besides the point. This is an election and Bill & Hillary need to realize if you want to win you have to work towards it. It's not going to be handed to you.
Yes, I realize she is working hard, but so is Barack Obama. Do you hear him crying when she makes a racial statement about him about how nobody "white" is going to vote for him?
Grow up Bill & Hillary!
And a poor one at that. It bombed.
Poor Judgment
Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
It was the OP who said poor were unintelligent, not me....
I was quoting her. It is ridiculous to state something like that. The best people I know never went past high school and are the smartest people, rich in common sense, I ever hope to meet. Sometimes the best knowledge does NOT come from a book.
Your grampa and hootsy comment is just nasty. I have heard every debate, I watch Obama every time he is on the tube, and he is the master at dodging questions. He never gave an interview to anyone who would ask him hard questions until last month and he has been at this for a year and a half. But you never hear Obama followers say that. Because whatever he says, even if it is beating around the bush, he says the magic words I will punish the rich and give all of you in the middle class a tax cut...and that is all they want to hear. Democrats have been saying that same old stuff for years...when in the past were you much better off than you are right now?
I am actually better off financially now than I ever have been. I have survived both Republican and Democrat administrations and just worked my way up to where I am. I am not rich, but I am comfortable. And Obama is intent on taking that away from me. Don't expect me to be happy he is doing it, or that you are helping him do it. lol.
Have you always been this hateful toward the poor?
such hostility toward the working class you so strongly assert to be defending is dead-end dialog. That 95% IS the "working class", as you call them. I prefer the term income earners. If you had any clue about the true state of this economy, you would realize that not only is the 95% tax cut feasible, it is exactly what we need and it will be coming at exactly the right time when we all need it the most.
I do not live in a universe where taxpayers line up and bend over while they bail out corporate welfare deadbeats and turn a blind eye on themselves and their children. It must be a very dark world you come from where you seem to thrive on the energy it takes to sustain such hatred in your heart for the poor. My sympathies.
Poor is subjective
My mother made less than 10 an hour, raised two children on her own, managed to pay a house note (the house was falling apart but it was ours), pay for a piece of an automobile to get her back and forth to work. We didn't have anything to speak of, but she never took a penny from the government. She wasn't raised that way and it hurts her to this day to watch all those that now live in her neighborhood on HUD, paying as little as they can get by with, when they still bring in more than her.
Her total income for the year is LESS than 12 thousand a year and she still manages to pay her bills. But those neighbors manage to get all the freebies and extras courtesy of my mom while she watches the nice cars in front of their HUD houses, which she can't afford, nice clothes they wear, jewelry hanging all off their necks and arms. Their kids are walking around with EXPENSIVE clothes on their butts and walk the streets up and down, up and down all day long. They are LAZY. THey have been raised to be LAZY. In this day and time it is sad to know there are those adults out there that continue to raise their children to believe they are "entitled". So very sad.
In these cases, they are not poor, but the government would consider them "poor", even though they have more than my mother, who can't get help at all. Now you figure that one out.
And, the one who gets the HUD house lets everybody and his brother live with them, free of charge of course, so it's like one big 'ole party all the time....music blaring, sick disgusting rap crap, throw their trash in the streets, filthy mouthed. It's sickening.
Poor doesn't always equate with lazy. You're right and I hope your daughter can do better somehow. Her husband should be forced to pay for his child and his fair share and she would not have this problem.
Maybe she should get in touch with all those neighbors around my mom. I'm sure they know the system so well they can tell how her to manipulate the system to get whatever she wants.
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