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Yes, you are a bit confused. I answered

Posted By: ,-- on 2009-05-23
In Reply to: First of all, don't believe I called you - Trigger Happy

your posts - this is a free forum, isn't it? - and you referred to me as JTBB.

Do not try to justify your insensitivity with 'I was just joking', this is lame. Because you were NOT joking. You find all the torture and cruelty done to prisoners amusing and entertaining, as you decorate your comments with .. 'LOL, ROFL, Geez etc....'


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I answered you below -
I've got more important things to do than to continue this argument you want to have. You are wrong!
Thanks to you who have answered...
I may be a dem to the core, but I do appreciate your input.
I answered this below......sm
When you can come up with something different, let me know.
You never answered my question.
I asked how many troops our ally Israel sent to Iraq.  I would truly like to know.  It might help to change my mind regarding their commitment to being our ally.
Answered in all honesty...
the entire thread was about the Plame case and whether or not she was covert. I posted the court document where the media outlets (CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, etc) filed to try to stop the judge from compelling the reporters to give their sources (their aim was to protect whistle-blowers, which is definitely not a bad thing). In that brief it was stated: "We do not believe a crime was committed as she was not covert at the time of the incident." CBS acknowledged that they believed that Plame was not covert...supported by the fact that she was openly working at a desk job in the CIA offices and had been for some time. I thought it was hypocritical of CBS to now bring Plame on and in effect say they believe that she was covert. Then some, not all, of the usual posters piled on questioning the integrity of the court and how decisions can be influenced...when it really had nothing to do with the court, but with the filed brief. CBS et AL actually lost the case. If they had won it, there would have been no Libby prosecution. That is what makes what the liberals posted that much harder to understand. It just seemed like just because a conservative posted it, it could not possibly have any merit, and then when they had to admit it did have merit, suddenly the court had no integrity.

Honest answer.
First of all, I don't see that she answered the question. nm
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Asked and answered...
...ad nauseam!
Despite the fact that this has been answered over and over,
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He has answered the questions
by what authority do you determine he has not answered the questions truthfully?
You just answered your own question
about "what critism" when you said Missouri MT said something and then said she didn't say it.
You answered your own question.
My assessment was in line with "most of the world," who laid responsibility for the massacre squarely at the feet of the Israelis, where it belonged, especially since the Shaba and Shatilla refugee camps were under the control of the IDF, not the Lebanese Phalangists, whom the IDF gave access to the refugees in the camps. Do not try to rewrite history that I unfortunately was around to experience directly, at least in its aftermath some 16 days later.

I have not forgotten about the assassination of Bachir Gemayel (Phalangist leader and president-elect, who never took office, BTW) just 2 days before the massacre and the history of hatred between the Phalangists and the Palestinians. If I was aware of it as a young, naïve, ill-informed American, it is only logical that the Israelis were aware of it too and had drawn the conclusion that giving access to the Phalangists was the perfect opportunity for them to commit massacre by proxy, which adds the specter of cowardice to the already atrocious and horrendous act and its outcome.

Trying to belittle me will not effectively disguise your not-so-artful attempt to dodge direct discussion of ISREAL'S invasion of Lebanon, the death of 3000 women, children and elders in the camps and another 30,000 Lebanese they killed during that campaign. So, no, it is pretty easy to distinguish between Israelis, the killers and the Lebanese, the dead guys.

I am not in the habit of giving direct answers to dirt, filth and blatant lies such as yours. Your preposterous notion that Arabs didn't give a flip about the massacre of 3000 Arabs is beyond absurd and speaks for itself, but comes as no surprise from a Zionist who would actually try to gain credibility by discounting 2550 corpses of women, children and elders by disputing fatality figures. The only odd thing here is that your delusions would allow you to believe that anyone in their right mind would accept this callous dismissal as the basis of a credible statement. Evidence of the ice water that flows through you veins can be easily surmised from your bigoted and hateful statement blaming the "Pakistanis" (I am guessing you really meant Palestinians) for somehow inviting the slaughter of the Shaba and Shatila refugees. Yeah, right.

Read my lips. The IDF WAS IN CONTROL of those camps. It was their responsibility to keep them secure. It also would not be the first time they failed to live up to Geneva Convention war conduct imperatives and instead, commit horrendous war crimes. They were the invaders, after all, and Lebanon, the invaded. This seems to be a pervasive affliction of yours, not being able to distinguish between the occupiers and occupied, the invaders and the invaded, the killers and the dead.

My 3000 dead figure is extracted from Sabra and Shatila: Inquiry into a Massacre, penned by ISRAELI journalist Amnon Kapeliouk in June 1984...2000 bodies disposed of by official and Red Crescent sources and another 1000-1500 he documented by investigative reporting and interviews with Phalangist officials. BTW, the findings of an Israeli govt study that Israel was only guilty of not foreseeing the future is like accepting the fox's report about the disappearance of the chickens from the coup. You are more stupid still to say that 3000 "sounds better" than 450, unless you are presuming that I take the same pleasure you obviously take in stacks and piles of Palestinian bodies in mass graves. NOT.

Sorry. I am not able to decipher your last parting shot. What are you referring to when you ask about the [square symbol] attacks on Palestinian refugee camps? Please clarify and I would be happy to comment.

I answered your question.
I provide examples of the current administration's bragging of how effective their policy has been in keeping us safe all turned out to be untrue because the threats were not credible.


I believe you just answered your own question
It's administered just like Medicare and Medicaid.


Lots of fraud within those two organizations, both from users and providers. We all know that from being MTs.



You asked, I answered.
I don't think fairy tales make for good foreign policy. Pre-emptive war under false pretenses that kill over 100,000 people waged in the WRONG COUNTRY to avenge daddy's honor and advance mythical global hegemony. No, Lu, the shrub has not made us safer, though you are free to give credit where you see fit. I would never try to talk down a blind Bushie but I can state with unwavering certainty that there are better, smarter, more honest and less deadly approaches to foreign policy, which you are about to witness first-hand on the dawn of this new era.
No just the poster you answered.

I'm beginning to feel the same way. He's pouring good money after bad. He should get wise and stop it RIGHT NOW.


After giving AIG more money yesterday, I feel all O knows is how to spend and that seems to be his cure-all for what ails the country. You would think he would get the hint by now with the market tanking and everyone losing their pensions and 401Ks.


 


 


You asked a question, I answered it. I'm not sure what you want. nm

OK, on that same note you answered your own question..sm
You believe abortion is immoral and that it should be illegal. I think the same thing about this war. Yeah congress passed it, so for all intents and purposes on paper it is legal, but it should be illegal to preempt war against a dictator and his followers (because technically we are not at war against Iraq) that is not a eminent threat to us.
He already has answered tough questions and without a

teleprompter.  Now it is about time they let Palin answer a few.


Re: "associations" -- you never answered a prior
Jes' curious............
I agree, was very good. -and she answered with
nm
Maybe no one answered the two previous posts...sm
becuase they're tired of getting jumped on by your side, you know, the anti-fanatic fanatics...lol....but true.

I've refrained from commenting on this issue, even though I feel as if Obama is hiding something. Wonder what it could be?






I answered you above - you are making things up
You accused me earlier of being a racist and posting racist posts. I challenged you and you can't find one. You tried to use something I said after you accused me. I also read through all my posts and there are none. When I referred to Michelle not talking like a black woman I was referring to your typical stereotyping us because we don't always talk or write the way you think all black people do. I'll say it again. Michelle Obama is one classy lady.

You know one thing I was taught growing up is if I'm ever wrong to at least have the decency to say I'm wrong and am sorry, but I guess not everyone is like that.
I saw the snopes link first and have answered
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If someone had posted the post I answered, yes...
It would be racist if a white person voted for someone just because he was white. It would be racist for a black person to vote for a black person just because he was black. It would be racist for a white person not to vote for a black person just because he was black. It would be racist for a black person to not vote for a white person just because he was white.

Does that clear it up for you?
Ok - still confused
I'm reading all these posts to the original poster and I am just lost. I have no idea what all this means and don't know what it has to do with politics. Guess I am just dense tonight.
You got me confused with sam. I really
nm
I'm a little confused.
I watched Bush's blurb last night. Can someone clearly explain to me how what he is proposing will get us out of trouble? I'm being sincere, I just don't get it.
I'm a little confused...
what happened? I'm sorry I haven't been watching the news lately... :(


I'm confused . . .
You respond to one divisive post with your own divisive post, but you agree with me? I am an independent who has actually voted for Republican, Democrat and third-party candidates, so I am certainly not closed minded. I am just bored reading the same arguments over and over and over.
ok, am way too confused
too many posts, too late in the day, not enough caffeine, think I better take a break from this. My apologies if I offended you. I just have very strong beliefs and I get defensive when people bash me and I defend myself and they turn around and say its all my fault.

Anyway...again apologies if I offended you and many apologies if I've been replying to the wrong person.
I'm Confused SM



I'm a little  confused.  Let me see if I have this straight . .  . 

* If  you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents,  you're
 'exotic,  different.'
*  Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers,  a  quintessential American
story.

* If  your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic  Muslim.
*  Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a  maverick.



*  Graduate from Harvard law School and you are  unstable.
*  Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're  well grounded.


       * If  you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,  become

the  first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a  voter
registration drive that registers  150,000 new voters, spend 12
years as a Constitutional Law  professor,  spend 8 years as a  State
Senator representing a district with  over 750,000 people, become
chairman of the state Senate's  Health and Human Services  committee,
spend 4 years in the   United  States Senate representing  a
state of  13 million people  while sponsoring 131 bills and  serving
on  the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and  Veteran's
Affairs committees, you don't have  any real leadership experience.


      

* If  your total resume is: local weather girl,  4 years on the  city
council and 6 years as the mayor of  a town with less than 7,000
people, 20 months as the governor of  a state with only 650,000
people, then you're qualified to  become the country's second
highest ranking  executive.
  

*  If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years  while
raising 2 beautiful daughters, all  within Protestant churches,
you're not a real  Christian.


     


























* If  you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and  left
your  disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month,  you're
a  Christian.

*  If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex  education,
including the proper use of birth  control, you are eroding the
fiber of  society.


   * If  , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only,  with


no  other option in sex education in your state's school  system
while your unwed teen daughter ends  up pregnant , you're very
responsible.

 
*  If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a  position
in a  prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her  inner
city  community, then gave that up to raise a family, your  family's
values don't represent   America 's.


    

      * If  you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude',  with at least  one


DWI  conviction and no college education, who didn't register  to
vote  until age 25 and once was a member of a group that  advocated
the  secession of Alaska from the   USA , your family is  extremely
admirable.

OK,  much clearer now.

I think you are a little confused sm
It's not about giving part of my money to you, it's about fairness in taxes. Right now, GW Bush gives a great deep tax cut to people making over $250K and he is just going to take that tax break and apply it to those making less and who are now struggling with their salaries trying to pay for gas etc. A lot of the time, the rich aren't even asking for the greater tax break... GW just applied it across the board. They will still be rich but the middle class needs a break. This isn't about welfare. It's about working families like you and your husband. You will not get a handout. You will still pay taxes but you will not pay a inordinate amount that is out of proportion to your income. That's all it is.
I'm confused...
in your original post you were talking about minimum wage earners and then you say you paid them very well - which is it? Not trying to argue, just trying to understand who thinks minimum wage is paying very well?
I'm confused. Her? Him? Who?
nm
I think you are confused.
You contradict yourself in your own post.

you must be confused
My previous post said PEOPLE were to blame for not living within their means. Nobody forced them to take out loans they knew darn good and well they would never be able to pay back.

It really burns me that I am going to pay for THEIR stupidity. I live within my means. Everyone else should too.

I seriously don't think you mean to say that they were forced into taking these loans out. If that's what you meant, you must be delusional.
I am NOT confused.
I did not say they were forced to take them out--I said that lenders were forced to give them out. Had that not happened, this mess would not have happened. It does NOT just affect the people who live outside their means, it affects the whole economy; therefore, I hold those responsible for forcing the loans to be given more responsible than those greedy enough to take them! If you see it differently, perhaps you are delusional.
you are confused
America is very unusual in that if you are born here you are a citizen. Most other countries are NOT like that! You are a citizen of the country of your parents! Please look this UP!
Oh, I am NOT confused, but I would be if I
nm
I think you have me confused

with another poster.  I have 3 kids, all teens.  My husband and I both work 2 jobs.  The last vacation we had that was more than a day's drive from our home ---- oh yeah, never.  We live in the midwest and have never even seen the ocean. 


I disagree about the minimum wage hike being the answer.  The problem is the huge percentage of the population that has zero work ethic.  Even if you raised the minimum wage, those with the entitlement personality would still only work to get enough for their immediate gratification.  They won't do the math and see that if they stayed in this higher-minimum-wage job for an entire year they would finally get ahead of the game.  They only want to get ahead of the game on somebody else's blood, sweat and tears.  I don't feel sorry for them if they are not willing to work. 


It's not fair for the young teen who is busting his butt at McDonald's or some other minimum wage job to sock it away for college or his first car to get let go because the minimum wage was raised.   


I'm glad you want to help people - I do too. It's just not the right solution to the problem.  Dear.


I don't think they are the ones who are confused, here.

You must have me confused with
someone else.  I have never quoted the bible. 
You must have me confused with
someone else.  I have never quoted the bible.    135?  Really? I would think that'd help you keep posters and their messages straight. 
You must have me confused with
someone else.  I have never quoted the bible.    135?  Really? I would think that'd help you keep other posters and their messages straight. 
I'm doing okay, just a little confused (LOL

I'm starting to get some rather worrisome, more classic symptoms of my cystic fibrosis, so I might not be around as much for a while again.)


As far as JTBB, I hope she's okay, but I doubt that anything could hold her back.  Same with "m".  And I'm glad.  You and those two are my favorites on this board, and if there weren't polite, decent, "follow the Golden Rule" type on this board, I'd have no reason at all to visit here.


Don't know if you'll be seeing me in the next few days.  If not, I hope you have a great week.  You're definitely a class act. 


By the way, you're welcome, but the way I see it, it wasn't even a compliment, it was merely the truth!


Yes, I know, but the fact remains my question has still not been answered. SM

How is it that people feel they can make these kind of egregious statements about someone so effortlessly and not support those statements with facts.  Pardon me if I am a little insistent that credible proof be provided that Laura Bush was drunk when she was involved in the accident that killed her friend. 


I answered above and your badgering doesn't rattle me,
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I feel these questions could have been best answered by Kfir. sm

Frankly, I am not sure how much more evidence you need after the article I posted on the Conservative board regarding Mike Wallace's interview with Iran's president.  You made allegations that Christians are only now interested in Israel because we see *the end* coming.  That just isn't so.  But you state it as fact, not as a personal opinion.  Maybe that is where the disconnect lies, that what you perceive has become fact to you.  As far as personal attacks, I haven't attacked you. You have to admit, though, that your question to Kfir about why the Israeli army did not fight in Iraq was kind of startling in light of what happened in the Gulf war and in light of the hatred between Israeli and Arab.   I would love to debate you, but I don't think we would be debating so much as defending our own belief system.  Again, I say this respectfully and this is based on reading your posts here. Your aggression towards Kfir and his defense of his country is puzzling to me.  Yet you felt the one attacked.  There is just too much emotion here.  This milieu is just not conducive to logical debate.  People say things they would not ordinarily say in person.  I thought the remark you make to Kfir about him not being representative of most Israeli was offensive.  I do, believe this conversation has become way too personal, on all levels.


Hope this post answered your question.
no message
If McCain/Palin win, Heaven has answered my
nm
I asked a simple question, and you answered...nm
I in no way twisted your post, merely asked if it extended to the opposition, as you have mainly been talking about the president in this thread.

Thanks for answering.