You are so right. You educated yourself to the issues and now sm
Posted By: Barlyston on 2008-10-18
In Reply to: Obama is the real deal! lol - sm
You realize, as I do, that Obama is going to fight for us. He is going to penalize companies who outsource. That means OUR jobs. What is up with people on this board? I am sure if they paid attention like you did they would be voting Obama too. I, like you, have dissected every bit of info this year. I watched Dem and Repub primaries, follow all of the issues and it's so completely clear that Obama is the right one.
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A note about educated and un-educated
I think a lot of people get the two mixed up. They believe that if you have a degree you are educated. Anyone can go to school, sit through classes, study and take a test. That's the easy part. The hard part (IMHO) is for people to receive information, process it, understand it, and make their own informed decisions. I have a sister who has a 4 year degree and graduated from a college, but she is not educated on the policies or what is going on in the country and around the world. Also have a brother & brother in-law with their degrees. One understands the issues presented to us, the other, like my sister only knows what they were taught in class, and they tell me that the instructors would not lie to them so they will believe what their instructors taught them. You ask them about a policy or why laws were put into place, ask them to talk to you about what's going on in the country/world, etc, and they cannot answer.
Then there are those who did not receive a "formal" education yet when you talk to them you can have an honest intelligent discussion with them. They ask questions and give input. They share information and think on their own.
Therefore the two really need to be separated.
Education = informed and able to think and process information without being told how to think. This can include both people with degrees and without.
Uneducated - blindly following what someone tells you what to do and how to think. You have no ideas of your own and just mimic the words of others. This can include both people with degrees and without.
Issues people, issues. I need issues
I'm not seeing any discussion about issues. Can we stick to the issues. Jeeze - I want to hear good and bad about both candidates but with facts to back whatever is being said.
P-L-E-A-S-E.....I want issues. How can I make any kind of determinatons about who I'm going to vote for if I don't hear about the issues. Reading some of this I'm thinking I'd get more truth if I read the National Enquirer.
better educated does not always
equal more intelligent. don't people get that?
Well, here's some of your educated
answers:
“He was born and educated in America.” He spent 10 years in Indonesia.
“What you are saying is ridiculous” yet you don’t back it up with anything.
“Are you kidding me?” and don’t back it up with anything.
“I am a refined democrat” but don’t give reasons why.
“What’s this nonsense” yet nothing to back it up?
and my favorite:
“Why should an American President be born in the US?
This should be amended. It is old fashioned.
A child born to illegal immigrants in the US can become an American President.
Is this LOGIC?”
This means you don’t care if who runs for president from other countries, even terrorists. Way to go!
in an mature and educated
community this would be ideal. Kerry thought there were enough reasonable adults to see through the Swift Boat lies and did not fight back; that is why he lost the election. I am glad Obama choses not to stoop to smear and fear. Yet to prevent another Swift Boat type election, somebody has to sling the garbage back at the same level as the bottom feeders. Its a dirty job but hey . . .
oops...that should be under-educated. (nm)
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Yea, they are SOOOO educated that they
be taken over by Muslim terrorists.....yea, they're really on top of it.
Maybe not hicks, but obviously not educated..
enough to work hard instead of sitting on the internet, watching dancing with the stars, eating doritos and flipping through people magazine whlie waiting for their check in the mail. Sheeple will follow each other over the cliff, hope you have on your hiney is well padded!
You don't sound educated because
of some of your posts below.
I'm very educated and I voted for him
Maybe if you would take the time to educate yourself rather than just read crap on blogs, you might not worry so much. The bill is creating the Congressional Commission on Civic Service, which may be referred to as the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (GIVE).
In section 6104 it states
(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:
(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.
They're simply exploring whether a national service requirement is even feasible. They're not implementing anything yet. Why people get worked up without even knowing what they're getting worked up about is beyond me. Which is why I usually stay off the political board.
I'm going back to work now.
college educated voter in the
suburb up the road says farmer is an ignorant redneck who does not check facts.
Then maybe that college educated voter......... sm
might like to test that theory by working a season or two in the redneck farmer's fields.
I live in an area where there are a lot of immigrant workers. The truth of the matter is that farmers really cannot afford to pay a wage high enough to be able to afford even a modest apartment, let alone buy food and pay utilities. I live right down the road from a poultry farm which employs a family of Mexican immigrants. The farmer, while making a fairly decent living (at least until Pilgrim's filed bankruptcy) provides a mobile home for the family to live in, pays utilities on said home and also pays the family wages to work on his poultry farm. No doubt this family recieves Medicaid and food stamps as well and the children probably get free lunches at school. It is very hard, if not impossible, to get Americans to work these kinds of jobs. I'm not condoning illegal immigrants, but if legal immigrants will do the job, then why not hire them?
ever heard of over-educated idiots?
mind you, i am not calling anyone that, but just stating how it is commonly understood that one can be very educated in the system, and not be too smart still. you just keep watching, and be fair to both candidates, and see if you don't see what i am talking about.
F: Obama more intelligent, better educated. nm
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They're a lot more progressive and educated.
Do you consider yourself to be an intelligent educated person?
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OBAMA 08! the only educated choice NM
Democrats are more educated and have more class sm
But I agree that Fox News watchers are easily manipulated and usually not all that bright.
Can these people not see the class that Obama has? sheesh.
Seems the EDUCATED are "whacked out" (like your president). nm
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right, al the young and educated, progressive
people voted for Mousavi. Even before all the votes were in, the government already announced a landslide win for Ahmedinejad. Definitely fraud, Ahmedinejad's ratings before the elections were very low, high unemployment rate. How could he win?
Is Obama an elitist because he is better educated than McCain?
What do you think makes Obama an elitist?
Palis? See what I mean about educated? typossss on an MT board? nm
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Obama supporters are very educated and not hicks nm
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To all well-educated voters and free thinkers...
On Tuesday night, If and when Barack Hussein Obama wins the 2008 United States Presidential Election, please join me in announcing that "The tribe has spoken, and that John McCain, Sarah Palin, and the ubiquitous Sam have officially been voted off the island!"
Michelle is a nice, educated person, BUT
I would not call her beautiful. Come on! What is beautiful on her? And regarding her 'own' style?
Sure, everybody has his/her own style.
"...he is a self-educated, caring, honest, and intelligent man"
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Apparently you don't understand statistics or science. Get educated, please!!
It's not scientifically sound to make pseudo-scientific statements about U.S. obesity based on a television program you saw that featured some obese people in it. But it seems when it comes to scientific fact, statistics or the truth - you CONS don't have a clue.
Rankings: Obesity Rates Grew In Every State But Oregon
Mississippi Ranked Heaviest State
POSTED: 8:29 am PDT August 23, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am PDT August 23, 2005
The obesity epidemic isn't winding down -- in fact, it's expanding, according to state rankings released Tuesday by Trust for America's Health, a nonprofit health advocacy group.
Obesity rates continued to rise last year in every state but Oregon. Mississippi ranked as the heaviest state, Colorado as the least heavy, according to the report, titled F as in Fat: How Obesity Policies are Failing in America, 2005.
The rankings are based on averages of three years of data from 2002 to 2004 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Hawaii was not included in the report.
About 64.5 percent of adult Americans are either overweight or obese. The report found that more than 25 percent of adults in 10 states are obese, including in Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia, Louisiana, Tennessee, Texas, Michigan, Kentucky, Indiana and South Carolina.
Obama is the choice of the educated and smartest people nm
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Commie? This is out of line. Obama supporters are educated. nm
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I'll take progressive-thinking, educated liberals any day
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Totally wrong because the most educated people vote for Obama sm
That is a fact. The dumb, uneducated vote repub, the greedy rich vote repub and the religious right vote repub. The college educated people vote Obama. Why do you think McBush and Failin are out there calling Joe SixPack etc... that's their only hope. They know the filthy rich without conscience will vote for them. They know the religiouis nuts but some of the eehaas and dummies have been going to Obama and McBush and Failin are freaking out a little.
Issues
Certainly I agree the issues you mention must, must, MUST have our attention. However, what we are doing this year is chosing a leader. In my most humble opinion it is of the utmost importance to know what kind of person we are chosing to lead us. We absolutely must look beyond what the politicians say; we must study their character and with whom they associate. As the saying goes, birds of a feather flock together.
As a life long Democrat, I am totally against Obama. There are a number of reasons, not the least of which is his choice of pastors. I believe his chosen church is a radical, devisive, racist group. If Pastor What's His name isn't enough; what about the priest who delivered the sermon ridiculing Hillary in that same church? By no means am I a supporter of Hillary Clinton but that show was disgusting. Neither can I support John McCain. I have changed my registration from Democrat to Independent because neither mainstream political party represents my values. My voice will be heard in the election but I will do a write-in for Lou Dobbs. Would he make a good or great leader? I don't know. He talks the talk but would he walk the walk? The only thing any of us can do is to vote and vote our convictions......and pray.
you have issues
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Whether or not I have issues....
doesn't change the fact that they both did the same thing and one is being banned from speaking while the other is allowed to speak. Sounds like one of them smelly ole double standards to me.
Why? What does this have to do with issues
I read the first two paragraphs and then that was it. Do I need to keep reading? Is there something in the rest of this post that will tell me how Barack has voted in the past or how McCain has voted in the past? Will this post tell me how they will fix the health care system, win the war and bring the troops home, fix the housing economy and the newest FM/FM crisis? And all the other matters that affect my life every single day.
Your going on and on and on about a number and what kind of cars someone has. We all know that Cindy McCain is very wealthy and if she wants to own 50 or 100 cars I don't care. I also don't care how many pairs of shoes or purses she owns. If you are trying to say she is not a frugal person I'm sure we could pull up other issues like how the Obama's send their daughter to a $10,000 camp. We can talk about Todd & Sarah Palin eloping to save the cost of a wedding for her parents (now that's what I call smart money thinking). But to go on and on about what kind of cars and how many Cindy McCain owns, and personally I don't think very many people care what they buy their daughter or if her daughter bought the car herself. That is unless your a liberal making a lame attempt at trying to prove something, but I don't think many people care about their daughters car or what Cindy has. She's wealthy, her dad worked hard to give his family what they have, and Cindy has a degree in education has worked hard her whole life as a nurse and teacher among other things. If she wants to have more than a couple cars who cares.
You hit on some key issues........... sm
SS age eligibility has already been raised. I cannot draw full benefits until I am 67 years and some few months of age. I have to wonder if this will be raised further still. Will I still be clacking at the keyboard at 70 or even 80 years old? Granted, folks are living to an older age in general, but look at the medical condition of a lot of Baby Boomers. I see more 40-year-olds and 50-year-olds with serious health problems such as coronary artery disease and cancer which I attribute to unhealthy lifestyles as well as the mystery meat we buy at the supermarket. Who knows what that chicken was injected with to achieve such full and meaty breasts? All of which leads me to your next point......
Healthcare for those of Medicare age will very likely be rationed as you illustrated. Need a hip replacement? Sorry! Buy a wheelchair. Need a bypass? Forgedaboudit! Of course, this could possibly help with the SS issue as a younger and younger age group that needs lifesaving surgery dies off, leaving SS benefits for the survivors. Sounds like some kind of twisted reality show but I can see it happening. Sure makes my Golden Years something to look forward to............ NOT!
I think that there would be a lot of issues...sm
around the world that Jesus would be interested in, not just gay marriage and abortion, and he would not exclude the good intentions of someone trying to bring the world together in peace.
I'm all for the issues....BUT
when I see a handful of racist on this board who I know full well voted for Obama just because he is a black man, it bears pointing out the facts they just aren't aware of. And that is very obvious. They scream republicans and racists in the same rant, but never stop to think all their name calling just points out the facts that they ARE racists..... but what they don't know is Martin Luther King was a REPUBLICAN (which I guarantee you they don't know...their elders have failed to tell them this or didn't know it themselves) and when enlightened, they shut their traps tight! This is what they do when they really have nothing intelligent to add to conversation and I have realized know absoutely NOTHING about the issues at hand as well.
Notice how quickly the ranting stopped when a HUGE fact was pointed out to them.
So, to be perfectly honest, those would not be the people to discuss issues with, because they really cannot get past color and ANYTHING said against Obama becomes a race thing....
sick to death of that!
You have some serious anger issues
Ann Coulter, has issues. nm
Nuff said.
Dude, where are my issues?
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What part of we got other issues do you
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why don't you address the issues here instead of
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real issues
such as celebrity, Ayers, etc.??
It's about the issues, not the name-calling.
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please stick to the issues
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Issues. No particular order #2.
1. Civil Rights. Comprehensive Patriot Act reform. Expand hate crime status, deceptive voting practices, racial profiling, sentencing disparities for minority offenders and better support programs for ex-offenders as the reintegrate into free world to reduce recidivism in crime rates, incorporate medical treatment for drug offenders into sentencing and rehabilitation initiatives.
2. Economy. Job creation such as green jobs (clean technology, renewable energy), invest in national infrastructure jobs, address outsourcing issues such as NAFTA reform, end tax breaks for companies who outsource, tax incentives for companies who preserve American jobs, tax relief for the middle class, tax relief for small businesses and start-up businesses, ensure workers' freedom to unionize and right to organize, raise minimum wage, clean up mortgage industry, address predatory credit card practices.
3. Ethics. Address lobbying, federal contracts, tax breaks, earmarks and special interests practices and reform.
4. Faith. Maintain strict constitutional separation of church and state and ensure freedom of all religions.
5. Fiscal. Fiscal discipline, balance budget, reduce debt, tax system reform for better efficiency.
6. Foreign Policy. End war in Iraq, reform contracting practices relative to war reparations, restore alliances, renew American diplomacy, particularly in the Middle East, strengthen NATO, address global poverty, nuclear waste cleanup and nonproliferation.
7. Health Care. Quality, affordable, portable health care, accessible for all Americans, lower costs across the board and particularly for prescription drugs.
8. Immigration. Streamline immigration bureaucracy, legalization initiatives that keep families together, expansion of bilingual education for special needs of immigrants who seek legal status, eliminate incentive to immigrate illegally by cracking down on employers who hire illegals, a better working partnership with Mexico to promote economic development to reduce illegal immigration.
9. Poverty. Expansion of transitional jobs and career pathway programs aimed at low-income Americans in workforce, Green Job Corp, improve transportation access to jobs, promote responsible fatherhood, Community Development Block Grant programs, affordable housing.
10. Rural. Subsidize family farmers, not agribusiness, encourage organic and local agriculture, connect rural America with communications infrastructure improvements, improve health care delivery, education and roads, bridges, dams infrastructure
11. Seniors and Select Specialty Hospital. Protect Social Security, affordable health care, develop community based senior supportive care systems, expand outreach for seniors.
12. Technology. Insure an open internet as highway to connected and transparent democracy, modernize communications infrastructure. FCC reform to promote diversity in media ownership.
13. Women's issues. Protect Roe-vs-Wade, promote sex education in schools, access to birth control and promote stem cell research.
Issues smorgasbord.
1. Civil Rights. Comprehensive Patriot Act reform. Expand hate crime status, deceptive voting practices, racial profiling, sentencing disparities for minority offenders and better support programs for ex-offenders as the reintegrate into free world to reduce recidivism in crime rates, incorporate medical treatment for drug offenders into sentencing and rehabilitation initiatives.
2. Economy. Job creation such as green jobs (clean technology, renewable energy), invest in national infrastructure jobs, address outsourcing issues such as NAFTA reform, end tax breaks for companies who outsource, tax incentives for companies who preserve American jobs, tax relief for the middle class, tax relief for small businesses and start-up businesses, ensure workers' freedom to unionize and right to organize, raise minimum wage, clean up mortgage industry, address predatory credit card practices.
3. Ethics. Address lobbying, federal contracts, tax breaks, earmarks and special interests practices and reform.
4. Faith. Maintain strict constitutional separation of church and state and ensure freedom of all religions.
5. Fiscal. Fiscal discipline, balance budget, reduce debt, tax system reform for better efficiency.
6. Foreign Policy. End war in Iraq, reform contracting practices relative to war reparations, restore alliances, renew American diplomacy, particularly in the Middle East, strengthen NATO, address global poverty, nuclear waste cleanup and nonproliferation.
7. Health Care. Quality, affordable, portable health care, accessible for all Americans, lower costs across the board and particularly for prescription drugs.
8. Immigration. Streamline immigration bureaucracy, legalization initiatives that keep families together, expansion of bilingual education for special needs of immigrants who seek legal status, eliminate incentive to immigrate illegally by cracking down on employers who hire illegals, a better working partnership with Mexico to promote economic development to reduce illegal immigration.
9. Poverty. Expansion of transitional jobs and career pathway programs aimed at low-income Americans in workforce, Green Job Corp, improve transportation access to jobs, promote responsible fatherhood, Community Development Block Grant programs, affordable housing.
10. Rural. Subsidize family farmers, not agribusiness, encourage organic and local agriculture, connect rural America with communications infrastructure improvements, improve health care delivery, education and roads, bridges, dams infrastructure
11. Seniors and Select Specialty Hospital. Protect Social Security, affordable health care, develop community based senior supportive care systems, expand outreach for seniors.
12. Technology. Insure an open internet as highway to connected and transparent democracy, modernize communications infrastructure. FCC reform to promote diversity in media ownership.
13. Women's issues. Protect Roe-vs-Wade, promote sex education in schools, access to birth control and promote stem cell research.
Issues and insights
I didn't know this - very interesting. Funny how much you can learn by researching.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302137342405551
Do....let us talk about some of these issues.
9/11/2001: We all talk about 9/11. How Pres. Bush should have known. We did lose a lot of lives that day. It was truly a sad day. However, what about the World Trade Center bombing back in ྙ when Clinton was the pres. That was by Islamic extremists. Or about the US Embassy bombings in ྞ....also while Bill was in office suspect to have been coordinated by Osama Bin Laden. Or the USS Cole incident in 2000 and once again Bill was in the White House and once again Osama was the suspect in the planning. All these terrorists acts but the one people shout out about the most in 9/11 and how Bush is to blame. Why? Because more lives were lost in this one than with the other ones. Weren't they all still terrorist attacks? If Clinton had stood up and done something during his term....maybe 9/11 would not have happened at all but yet the blame all falls upon Bush.
Katrina: Once again all Bush's faults and therefore all republicans faults. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff was the "federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina, [and] could have ordered federal agencies into action without any request from state or local officials." "If you go back to August 27th," President Bush had already "declared a state of emergency in the state of Louisiana under Title V of the Stafford Act, ... Ergo, Katrina became an Incident of National Significance on August 27th -- two days before the storm. But Chertoff apparently didn't realize this and waited till a day after [on August 30th] to make the determination on his own, one that according to the flow chart had already been made." Honestly though, if you live in a place that is well below sea level and you hear a really bit storm is coming your way.....common sense.....you get the heck out of dodge.
Iraq war: The reason for the war was this: The military objectives of the invasion were; end the Hussein regime; eliminate weapons of mass destruction; eliminate Islamic terrorists; obtain intelligence on terrorist networks; distribute humanitarian aid; secure Iraq’s oil infrastructure; and assist in creating a representative government as a model for other Middle East nations
As for Wall Street: Firms such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman not only made billions of dollars packaging and selling these toxic loans, they also wagered with their own capital that the values of these investments would decline, further raising their profits. If any other industries engaged in such knowingly unscrupulous activities, there would be an immediate federal investigation.
At the same time, federal regulatory agencies such as the SEC stood idly by as Wall Street took advantage of the investment public during both the Internet and the housing bubbles. The SEC took almost no action against Wall Street after the dot-com implosion. And in the midst of the housing bubble, in 2006, only the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency pushed for any level of regulation to address subprime lending.
One has to wonder why Treasury secretaries under Presidents Clinton and Bush -- Robert Rubin and Hank Paulson, respectively -- took no action to curb these abuses. It certainly was not because they did not understand Wall Street's practices -- both are former chief executives of Goldman Sachs. And why has Congress been so silent? The Wall Street investment banking firms, their executives, their families and their political action committees contribute more to U.S. Senate and House campaigns than any other industry in America. By sprinkling some of its massive gains into the pockets of our elected officials, Wall Street bought itself protection from any tough government enforcement.
This is no doubt the same reason why so many members of Congress were consistently blocking attempts to reform and downsize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are essentially giant, undercapitalized hedge funds. These two entities have been huge money machines for Democrats in both the House and the Senate, many of whom recently had the gall to ask why these companies hadn't been reformed in the past. Nor should several Republican congressmen and Senators who likewise contributed to watering down legislation aimed at reforming these institutions be let off the hook.
you have real issues
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