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Posted By: mtmtmt on 2008-08-26
In Reply to: WARNNG...ANOTHER ABORTION POST....DON'T READ IF IT BOTHERS YOU. - sam
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Great post, great insight, great analysis, thanks!..nm
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Great, great post. Thank you, Marmann! nm
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Serious post regarding S-CHIP for those interested...see inside
Apparently the individual states have a lot of discretion as to how they spend the federal CHIP money. Pennsylvania, according to their website (PAkids.com I think, or something like that), isay they will insure ALL kids, no matter how much money their parents make. Only kids who are eligible for Medical Assistance (for lower income families I think) are not eligible. It says either it will be provided free or at a much reduced cost. So, even before expansion, had individual states chosen to, they could have provided insurance to all kids apparently. So if anyone is interested in seeing how their state handles the money, or is need of assistance, I would suggest going to individual state websites and see how their individual states handle the money. If PA can do it, I would think other states could do it too....?
I stand by my post as before - see message inside
I'm reading posts and you are all acting as though the child is living and outside the body already in school and is then taken away to be murdered.
I read another post that said "before you even know you are pregnant the heart is beating". This is totally false! Week 4 is when the brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form and continue to form. To suggest that at the instancy of sex you now have a live breathing baby whose heart is beating and brain is fully developed is absurd. - which by the way they can't speak for themselves so that is what you are all here for. Having an abortion before the baby is developed is the safest. You can call it as you like to. Most of you have a heart so cruel you like to label people as murderers. This embryo is not someone, it is an embryo. Full term abortions and killing babies outside the womb I believe is disgusting and vile. As for Laci Peterson - she was getting ready to give birth to a baby. If that baby was born it would lived. Yeah, but that's a whole different topic, but to have an abortion before the organs are fully developed and the child's brain has developed and they have no nerves so cannot feel anything is a different story.
Lastly, I would never have an abortion myself, but if by chance I did and the embryo has not had time to develop (first trimester) then you keep your nose out of my business where it does not belong. I answer to one higher being (our creator) not you!!!!!
I stand by the original poster. Keep your noses out of where they don't belong.
P.S. - I certainly am not going to listen to a bunch of hipocrites who will murder innocent animals so they can devour them at their meals. Now that is disgusting to me!!
This is a "bash free" post - see inside.
You posted on 8/26 about abortions – your title said don’t read if it bothers you so there was no need to shout it as us as we all can read.
That’s fine you want to post about abortion, but you also posted on 8/25 about abortion not counting the numerous times you brought in the subject of abortion to other posts (in all fairness you did not start those conversations) but what started out as one subject you turned into abortion issues. So in the beginning the postings about abortions were fine but then it started getting very tiring and when people disagreed that is when you started in on them.
I read messages from people not bashing you but simply stating they were tired of hearing the same thing and that’s when you started bashing them.
One post said “We stopped reading your posts a long time ago” That is not a bash. Another post said “My sentiments exactly”. Again that is not a bash. But you came back and said “Enter the cheerleader. Predictable. So much for listening to the other side. Then inside the message you called them a liberal and said if they only believed their philosophy it might actually BE a better world” That is bashing!
Then someone came back and said “listening over, and over, and over and inside said she is not affiliated with any party and most definitely am not a liberal. Again – that is not a bash.
Then more posts after that. My point is you were the first to start the “bashings”. When people tell you they are tired of hearing about the abortion subject (without bashing you) you don’t like that and have to give a nasty comment to them.
I have read six posters all saying the subject matter is getting tiring and old and that it was covered extensively below in other posts. The “we” I am referring to are those six posters.
Abortion is just one issue that people feel very strongly about which will eventually lead to heated words if people don’t agree with the posters viewpoint, then comes the bashing, people being called liberals when nobody knows what their viewpoints are. Sure we all feel strongly about issues but we don’t like being called names. I read all the previous posts and not once did I read any post where anyone called you a name.
It is a free board and everyone is entitled to post what they want but like the latest poster said there is no need to bring it up again. I say there are way too many interesting things in politics going on. I’m sure I will start up some new topics. What’s that saying. “Let’s let sleeping dogs lie” (at least I think that’s the saying) :-) – just say lets give the abortion subject a rest.
true, your post has nothing inside it. Your point please?
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Hi, Your llink did not show up, only 'page not found.' so I post my link inside...sm
NewsWorld newsIran
Tehran braces for crackdown as protesters vow to defy KhameneiSupreme leader warns Mousavi supporters against bloodshed
guardian.co.uk, Friday 19 June 2009
Iran's opposition faces a critical test of resolve and the country an uncertain future tomorrow after the Islamic regime's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a blunt warning to those involved in mass protests over last week's "stolen" presidential election that they would "bear the responsibility" for any bloodshed.
Khamenei rejected accusations of fraud in the poll, confirmed the incumbent, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as the winner, and gave no ground to the millions of Iranians demanding their votes back.
Mir Hossein Mousavi, who claims he beat Ahmadinejad in the race, was said by an ally to have no plans for unauthorised rallies tomorrow following the warning, but supporters vowed to go on protesting.
Fears grew tonight of an intensifying crackdown on media and opposition activists. Students at the fine arts faculty of Tehran University – where scores of students were injured and some reported killed after raids by security forces earlier this week – announced an indefinite sit-in starting tomorrow.
Khamenei's closely watched speech at prayers at Tehran University could hardly have been tougher. It had been hoped he might adopt a more conciliatory tone that would help defuse the gathering crisis, the worst in Iran's 30-year post-revolutionary history. But he warned: "If there is any bloodshed, the leaders of the protests will be held directly responsible. The result of the election comes from the ballot box, not from the street. Today the Iranian nation needs calm."
Tens of thousands of worshippers cheered as he told them: "It is your victory. They cannot manipulate it."
Mousavi, a moderate former prime minister whose "green" movement scared the regime with the support it was attracting, ignored a call to attend the prayer meeting and now faces a dilemma over his next step. Ignoring Khamenei's message risks bloodshed on a far larger scale than the eight people killed last week. Accepting it means surrender to the regime.
The reformist cleric Mehdi Karroubi, another candidate for the presidency, added to the pressure tonight by also calling for the election to be annulled. "Accept the Iranian nation's will by cancelling the vote and guarantee the establishment's survival," he urged.
Khamenei attacked opponents at home but also lambasted Iran's enemies abroad in hardline remarks that bode ill for any opening to the US, where Barack Obama is seeking talks to tackle worries over Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Britain was attacked as "the most evil", but the US, Israel and "Zionist-controlled" media were also abused, as was Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state. "The enemies are targeting the Islamic establishment's legitimacy by questioning the election and its authenticity before and after [the vote]," said Khamenei.
The speech underlined the sense of profound crisis, since the supreme leader usually only speaks in public at the end of Ramadan and on the anniversary of the 1979 revolution.
Analysts and commentators were dismayed by its implications. Sadegh Saba, chief analyst for BBC Persian TV, said: "Mousavi wants the protests to continue but Khamenei is saying if they do there might be bloodshed – and it will be on your hands."
Issa Saharkhiz, a Tehran-based pro-reformist commentator, said Khamenei's speech had transformed the crisis from a conflict over the election result into a trial of his own political authority, which was now being openly questioned. "Now the issue is that the supreme leader's sense of justice, management and competence is under question," he told Deutsche Welle. "The leadership of the country cannot be left in the hands of such a person, who for the sake of preserving himself and his own power, threatens people with mass murder."
Crucially, Khamenei ruled out any cheating in the election, apparently dashing hopes that a partial recount ordered by the guardian council, a supervisory body of senior clerics, will mitigate the crisis.
Khamenei's call for Mousavi and Karroubi to confine their protests to legal avenues prompted mockery. "This means that Imam Hossein [the third most revered figure in Shia Islam], instead of making a last stand at Karbala, [should have] pursued his grievances through the legal process," one blogger said on the Farsi blogsite Balatarin.
Balatarin was flooded with messages voicing outrage at Khamenei's warning that opposition leaders would be held responsible for further unrest and bloodshed. One correspondent wrote: "Mr Khamenei, the direct responsibility for any damage to people's lives or property from now on lies with you."
In Washington, the House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to condemn Tehran's crackdown on demonstrators. It was the strongest message yet to Iran.
great post
Im amazed at how much debate I have caused on both boards, LOL! I have become *the* poster to be talked about, attacked, compared to. Thank you for your refreshing post replying to IMHO a mean spirited obviously very troubled conservative poster. This person has been on my case since day one, along with her two cohorts. Frankly, from what I can see, they are just about the only ones who consistently post on the conservative board. I guess others after a while get tired of the attack mode or just give up trying to debate logically and intelligently. They say Im a lunatic and certifiable. By reading their nasty posts, If anyone is certifiable, they are. They say they are Christian. Not like any Christian I have ever know. The Christians I grew up with were nice, caring, accepting people. Not judgmental hateful closed minded individuals. I perused the conservative board this morning, just to see which republican they are admiring this morning or which democrat they are dogging and OMG, Im being posted about all over the board. A few posted yesterday and right away they started asking were the posters gt!! I cracked up laughing this morning. No, I wasnt on their board posting. I was in Mexico for the weekend and got back this morning..Gee, I generated this much attention and publicity by just posting on one little board in the vast expanse of the World Wide Web. Amazing! After reading their troubling posts, with all their attacks (one says she never attacks, yet one of her favorite words from what I have read is troll), I have decided not to read the conservative board any more. I frankly dont need their negative energy..I feel sorry for all three of them. They sound like they are angry bitter fools, clinging to a way and thought of life, so afraid frankly of anyone else with different and/or better ideas for this country. Some people will never change and expand their consciousness as these three have proven to me. This board I will continue to read and post from time to time, as it is a good open minded and accepting board and if the conservatives post an attack to me pertaining to this post, I will not read it nor respond.
Great post
Thank you for this post..It was a good one. :o)
Great post gt!
Clinton always did know how to speak in clear terms about the basics of a matter - and speak to all people in plain language. Mystifying how Dubya's supporters claim he's the plain-talking one when every time he opens his mouth he's twisting the topic completely out of recognition or else just babbling incoherently.
LOL! Great post!!
Great post.
Couldn't agree with you more. 
Great post, PK; thanks.
great post!!! thanks :)
Great post
Excellent points regarding health care, insurance, taxes. This is a conservative viewpoint. Less taxes brings in more revenue, but congress rarely gets it.
I agree that whoever is elected will not accomplish all stated promises/goals. That's always the case. So many believe that the president has power to do whatever he wants, but that is not the case and never has been.
Great Post...Thank You!
That makes it crystal clear!
You bet, ms! Great post. nm
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great post!!
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GREAT post! Thank you!
Great post! You just know that if
the tables were turned they wouldn't want their money taken either. I have found that the people who moan and complain the most about not having any money are the ones who are in debt to the hilt, have never been taught to save a cent, blame the CC companies for making them charge so much and then expect the gov't to help them out in some way. How about this novel scenario: Work hard, save some money, don't try to outdo the neighbors with material things and take some responsibility. Don't expect a mere man who spouts pretty words and promises and only wants your vote to take care of you. Quit blaming the republicans, Bush, outsourcing, Wall Street fat cats, etc, and look in the mirror. The gov't cannot solve all your problems, be self-sufficient for once.
Great post!
My favorite part is:
IF I am wrong one day when I meet my Creator I will find out and I'll take my Creator's answer any day over anyone who is reading something from a book I don't believe in.
IMHO, that's how freedom of religion is supposed to work. Ironically, sometimes the only way to guarantee alleged freedom of religion is to have freedom FROM it.
It is a very personal issue that is ultimately between you and your Creator, not someone who demands to push their religious views on you.
I recently heard a pastor give a prayer before a McCain rally, where he actually "warned" GOD that God's "reputation" is on the line here, and that God had better make sure that McCain becomes President or else those who believe in different "Gods" will "win."
This guy was essentially telling God to get his act together! 
Great post!
This is an intelligent, straightforward, unbiased post. The MTs on this board should take note of it and learn from it.
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Great post. Thanks :)
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What a great post!
I agree 100% with you, geek.
I also compare him to JFK:
Obama is elegant, a great, charismatic speaker, he has a wonderful voice, he is magnetic, honest, diplomatic, seldom aggressive and much more....
His speach during his last campaign in Orlando/Florida was the best ever, it was just overwhelming.
Great post, GP.
And I couldn't agree more about pardons for the two border patrol agents. Instead, Bush's pardons have largely consisted of crooks who were involved in the savings and loan scandal of the 1980s. Given today's current banking crooks and the shambles of the global economy, that says a lot about Bush's "morals" that he would prefer to pardon banking crooks instead of two brave men who were merely doing their jobs.
I think one of the biggest -- if not THE biggest -- injustice in my memory is those two men even spending one minute in jail.
Great post - thanks.
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Great post!
You summed it up beautifully. Thanks.
Wow! Right on - great post
I agree so much and could not have said it any better. They are knighting him calling him the savior and he hasn't even taken office yet. Time will tell whether he is a good president or not.
Thank you for your post.
Great post! (sm)
I couldn't agree more. For starters, though I'm certainly no fan of Iran, after seeing what the USA did to its neighbor, Iraq, why WOULDN'T I want to have a nuclear weapon if I were Iran?
And why IS Israel allowed to have a nuclear weapon (probably paid for by US)?
After decades of "Israel is the chosen one and can do no wrong," I truly hope we become more even handed when dealing with the Middle East. There are two sides to every story. In my opinion, Israel's disproportionate response to the Palestinians a few weeks ago showed the world a LOT.
Some objectivity and accountability, I think, is needed and long overdue when we deal with Israel and her actions.
As far as being "brave," your post was a lot more brave (and well written) than mine, and I agree with everything you wrote.
Great post! (sm)
I couldn't agree more. For starters, though I'm certainly no fan of Iran, after seeing what the USA did to its neighbor, Iraq, why WOULDN'T I want to have a nuclear weapon if I were Iran?
And why IS Israel allowed to have a nuclear weapon (probably paid for by US)?
After decades of "Israel is the chosen one and can do no wrong," I truly hope we become more even handed when dealing with the Middle East. There are two sides to every story. In my opinion, Israel's disproportionate response to the Palestinians a few weeks ago showed the world a LOT.
Some objectivity and accountability, I think, is needed and long overdue when we deal with Israel and her actions.
As far as being "brave," your post was a lot more brave (and well written) than mine, and I agree with everything you wrote.
Great post, gee. (sm)
The more he fails, the worse it will be for us all. I hope he succeeds.
Great post! (sm)
The fact that the forgotten people you describe live in what is claimed to be the richest country on earth is appalling.
I thought your post was excellent. Thank you.
Great post! (sm)
The fact that the forgotten people you describe live in what is claimed to be the richest country on earth is appalling.
I thought your post was excellent. Thank you.
Thank you! Great post!
After Jindal read his rebuttal tonight, this article is even MORE insightful.
Great post...sm
My favorite? If you're greener than Gore, you're green enough.
Great post! nm...
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Thank you. Great post. (sm)
I didn't agree with it when Bush did it (with Obama's support via his Senate vote), and I don't agree with it now.
I believe NO company in this country should ever be "too big to fail," and I believe all of these banks should have been allowed to survive or die on their own merits.
Furthermore, the "transparency" that was promised, so far has been nonexistent, and I'm against this, as well.
Anyway, I thought you wrote an awesome post. Thank you.
:-) - Great post
I've been following your messages for some time and you always put great thought into what you say. You don't let your emotions take you away (like I do), and you always just tell it like it is. I like your "Dave Mann the Caveman" statement. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth. Sometimes people would rather just sit in their homes and continue to be dumbed down and think everything is hunky-dory. I have a BIL who refuses to listen to any bad news because "I can't handle it". But there are us out there who want to know the truth. We will listen to everything no matter how "weird" it may sound. Because that "weird theory" may just be the truth. So thanks for posts. Always insightful and fun to read.
Very well said - thank you for a great post
There's more I could say, but won't. Your post is very insightful and true.
Thanks for posting.
Great post!! And I will put out my flag, too.
We are so divided in this country that sometimes I think we're headed for another civil war.
But we are still all Americans, and we've got to find a way to come together.
I remember how it seemed the entire country came together after 9/11. I hope that can happen again without such a tragedy preceding it.
I hope you and your family have a blessed 4th!!!
Great post, Starcat!
My rule of thumb is to compare the credibility of Bush and Sergeant Major Haney. Bush lies to me on practically a daily basis, so my inclination and common sense tells me to believe the Sergeant Major.
I often wonder if we will have another *terror* attack (maybe a small nuclear one) in order to (a) justify a nuclear war with Iran and/or (b) to frighten people into believing (before the November elections, with an instantaneous government *response*) that Republicans are the only ones who can keep us safe (if it looks like they will lose control of the House and Senate).
I guess time will tell, and I pray that no more Americans will have to die. 
To Starcat....GREAT POST...sm
Yours was a GREAT post. I believe the entire thing was a scam and I am an evacuee of an airport *newark NJ* on 9/11 a.m.
Everything you said, about the warnings during the elections and then after the elections, all the warnings stopped...hit the nail on the head!!
The poster under us says that they think we are in the minority.......NOT SO....just today we have to shut our mouths.......because BIG BROTHER is watching.
This president is just plain stupid....do you see all the things that come out of his mouth? David Letterman shows them, Jay Leno shows them, Conon O'Brien shows them....et al, ad nauseum. Bush is an EMBARRASSMENT to ALL OF US, and for the ones who cannot *see* this? Something is wrong with them too.
GREAT POST, Starcat!!!
GMTA = great minds think alike 
GREAT post, Piglet....you said it 4 me..sm
this sentence you said....you summed it up for me, what I feel and my thoughts
*Pro-life to me means anti-war, anti-starvation, anti-subjugation, etcetera, for all living things.*
YOU_GOT_IT!!
Great post!! Thanks for putting this up. nm
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yea sista - you tell them - great post
This is about the most unintilligable thing I have ever heard. They'll rant and rave at someone who says I won't vote for a man because he's not white, but they turn around and spew I won't vote for her because she was in a beauty pagent. Oh please....its so rediculous I have to laugh.
Truth is...they have not researched anything about her. We have been watching MSNBC for years and really like that station, but yesterday my DH said that without them saying anything about her as governer and what she has done for Alaska or anything they were cutting her down and making fun of her. Really showed me I need to start listening to another station.
People - if you are going to make such ignoramus remarks like I won't vote for someone cos their black or they are pretty or whatever reason then I don't want the next president to be picked by people of your unknowledgebable base.
Do the research and put your hatred aside until you know everything about a person.
Great post..."EyesWideOpen"
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Great post, Tired MT. I am with you! nm
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By jove, I think she's got it! :) Great post! nm
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