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if you are determined to save all children

Posted By: lets go there on 2008-10-31
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You have a moral obligation to end this war and to bring them home, and as veterans you have a moral obligation to financially support and care for them and their children for the rest of their lives.


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Why are you so determined
What part of I am no interested in what you have to say do you not get? I directed my comments to the original post about whites being in a minority by 2042. I then made the mistake of responding to your attempt to educate me on the meaning of the word "trends," and to your characterization of illegal invasion. I used Mexico as an example of one of many developing countries whose populations enter the US. My exact words were "legally and illegally." It seemed like a logical choice since they constitute the largest group of non-whites in the US and they are the major driving force behind this trend. I related birth rates and demographics to the subject at hand…population trends. I then took the white minority issue and placed it into an international/global context and made offered a few comments about how I view this trend. Hello. I was talking about population trends.

In your reply you tried to direct the discussion into the illegal arena. I read down to the place where it got to be "liberals" this and "liberals" that, how I missed the point (that would be your point, not mine….I was only trying to talk about population trends), cultural invasion (yawn), how biased I am, remarking how "people" use somebody else's articles because they can't think for themselves (which I took personally, since it was not true on any level whatsoever with regard to my comments) and accusing me of "being for" illegal aliens (drawing conclusions and putting words in my mouth). Then I got to the part where you started telling us how American you are, told me to go "do" my history (I'm surprised you didn’t tell me to go stand in the corner while you were at it), and teaching me about illegal criminals, how illegal children are responsible for all kinds of diseases in schools, telling me who I need to go talk to, another liberal slam, and the parting shot of how I need to go to Mexico. Evidently I touched off some sort of nerve when I tried to talk about POPULATION TRENDS.

Okay. This looked like a big boat load of negative energy to me. In my reply, I tried to point out to you that illegal immigration was your subject, not mine. I reiterated that my interest is in population trends (do you get that by now?) and that I am not interested in dragging myself down into this negative place with you. I am not part of Lou Dobbs cult. Nothing you can say will convince me that I should re-examine my values. I am at peace with this issue and I intend to stay that way.

Here you are again, trying to whup up. I am a white natural-born citizen with no bones to pick and no axes to grind. That is your territory. I am not interested in all this turmoil. Got it?

Why are you so determined not to get it?
You are welcome to adopt a narrow and prejudicial definition of the word. Be my guest. You are not entitle to apply that concept where it does not belong in an effort to discredit a post which clearly is not anti-Semitic. At the same time, I also am entitled to have my own world view and adopt my own broader sense of the concept of anti-Semitic. I think of Semites as a people whose ancestors evolved from the same language group, the Jews and Arabs BOTH being from that group.

I just explained to you in no uncertain terms that the sentiments expressed on this forum ARE NOT and NEVER HAVE BEEN directed at the Jewish people in a radially prejudicial contest. It is the racism that underpins the beliefs of Zionism that we rale against. You can say it ain't so, but that won't change the facts. It is POLITICIZED Jewish nationalism that is at issue here, not the Jewish people or their RELIGIOUS beliefs.
I have determined that liberals are the biggest
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You are so determined to make us the bad guys.
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Save Lewis sm

This is crazy.


http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060523153709990005&ncid=NWS00010000000001


 


Thanks - probably will save the sanity that way
I have not yet once in a few months now found any of the O worshippers to have a rational connversation. Well some of them I have had a good conversation with, so don't want to lump them all in one group, but for the most part it's like you say....talking to a brick wall. So going to shut down for a few days and will be watching the news about the hearings. I just hope and pray that justice will be served, and I'd like an explanation from the O as to why he commited fraud knowingly and duped half (maybe now less than half because some of them are coming out) the country. Then it will be interesting to see if ol HRC files a lawsuit against him.
ssh...they might come back. there is no one over there to save!
Lets talk about who is going to be the new treasury secretary. I like volker. I would like to see the interest rate on my savings account go back up to 13%!
"YOUR CAN SAVE US"??? what does that mean?
I feel like you are going to stalk me. 
Save some Tums for yourself. You will need more
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Save the pity for

ALL who will need it in the next four years.   That would be everyone who feels duped for having voted Obama in.  Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. 


In the words of Yogi Berra:  'It ain't over till it's over.'  There will be another election in four years.  


We gave Carter - the 1-term wonder - a chance and he wrecked the economy.  Reagan fixed the economy (with tax cuts) and bankrupted the USSR out of the arms race.  There could be no more stark example of socialism vs free-market economics. 


Just to save some dim bulb

the trouble, let me be the first to accuse you of being a racist, a paranoid, a nasty, hateful person (did I miss anything?) for bringing up all these facts about the president and the party who only have your best interests in mind. How dare you say these things when our brave president is trying his very best to fill your gas tank and pay your mortgage.  You should be ashamed. 


See?  Now nobody else has to break a sweat typing furiously to put you in your place.  I'm sure we all feel much better now.


He only did this to save his own butt.
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Of course they don't..... they think Obama is here to save
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continued...save lives????
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God save us from your source of accuracy. nm

She's trying to save us from our evil ways
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Bush tries to save some face --

It looks like our wonderful govt is thinking about another stimulus -- remember those tax rebates we got back in the spring of this year? It was $600 an individual and $1200 a couple.  The govt doesn't want to do quite the same kind of stimulus as last time because -- get this -- 80% of the Americans who received it used it to either pay down debt or bolster savings.  Here's what they want the new stimulus to do:


•The extension of unemployment benefits and possibly food stamps from 39 to 52 weeks.


•A boost in infrastructure spending, despite the problems of getting the money to work quickly.


•Some relief for state and local governments facing tighter budgets because of lower tax receipts and rising Medicaid costs.


God forbid we give something to the middle class -- let's extend the food stamps and boost the "infrastructure spending" -- what is that anyway?  I'm guessing it's a way to line the pockets of the suits even more.  When is it going to end?


The BF sounds brainwashed. Tell him to save
Religion (or lack of) is a personal choice, and he shouldn't be trying to force his beliefs on you or anyone else.
How can she save so much money with 6 childen? ..nm
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Save your breath. People that believe
worldnutdaily are not the type of folks who trust reputable sources.
What Government must do to save capitalism

What government must do to save capitalism





Special to Globe and Mail Update




From time to time in human history, there occur events of seismic significance, when one orthodoxy is overthrown and another takes its place. Today, the scale of the global financial crisis demands that we re-evaluate the economic policy and philosophy that brought us to this point.


George Soros has said that "the salient feature of the current financial crisis is that it was not caused by some external shock. ... The crisis was generated by the system itself." He is right. The current crisis is the culmination of a 30-year domination of economic policy by a free-market ideology that has been variously called neo-liberalism, economic liberalism or economic fundamentalism. The central thrust of this ideology has been that government activity should be constrained, and ultimately replaced, by market forces. In the past year, we have seen how unchecked market forces have brought capitalism to the precipice.


Instead of distributing risk throughout the world, the global financial system has intensified it. Neo-liberal orthodoxy held that global financial markets would ultimately self-correct - the invisible hand of unfettered market forces finding their own equilibrium. But as economist Joseph Stiglitz has caustically observed: "The reason that the invisible hand often seems invisible is that it is not there."


Just as it fell to Franklin Roosevelt to rebuild American capitalism after the Depression, and to the American Democrats, strongly influenced by John Maynard Keynes, to rebuild postwar domestic demand, to engineer the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe and to set in place the Bretton Woods system to govern international economic engagement, so it falls to a new generation to reflect on and rebuild our national and international economic systems.



If centrist governments are to save capitalism, they must face three challenges. First is to use the agency of the state to reconstitute properly regulated markets and to rebuild domestic and global demand. With the demise of neo-liberalism, the role of the state has once more been recognized as fundamental. The state has been the primary actor in responding to three clear areas of the current crisis: in rescuing the private financial system from collapse; in providing direct stimulus to the real economy because of the collapse in private demand; and in the design of a national and global regulatory regime in which government has ultimate responsibility to determine and enforce the rules of the system.


The second challenge for social democrats is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. As the global financial crisis unfolds and the hard impact on jobs is felt by families across the world, the pressure will be great to retreat to some model of an all-providing state and to abandon altogether the cause of open, competitive markets both at home and abroad. Protectionism has already begun to make itself felt, albeit in softer and more subtle forms than the crudity of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930. Soft or hard, protectionism is a surefire way of turning recession into depression, as it exacerbates the collapse in global demand. Social democracy's continuing philosophical claim to political legitimacy is its capacity to balance the private and the public, profit and wages, the market and the state. That philosophy once again speaks with clarity and cogency to the challenges of our time.


A further challenge for governments in dealing with the current crisis is its almost unprecedented global dimensions. Governments must craft consistent global financial regulations to prevent a race to the bottom, where capital leaks out to the areas of the global economy with the weakest regulation. We must establish stronger global disclosure standards for systemically important financial institutions. We must also build stronger supervisory frameworks to provide incentives for more responsible corporate conduct, including executive remuneration.


The world has turned to co-ordinated governmental action through the Group of 20: to help provide immediate liquidity to the global financial system; to co-ordinate sufficient fiscal stimulus to respond to the growth gap arising from the global recession; to redesign global regulatory rules for the future; to reform the existing global public institutions - especially the International Monetary Fund - to provide them with the powers and resources necessary for the demands of the 21st century.


The IMF's governance arrangements must be reformed. It is only reasonable that, if we expect fast-growing developing economies such as that of China to make a greater contribution to multilateral institutions such as the IMF, they should also gain a stronger decision-making voice in these forums.


The longer-term challenge for governments is to address the imbalances that have helped to destabilize the global economy in the past decade: in particular, the imbalances between large surplus economies such as that of China, Japan and the oil-exporting nations, and large debtor nations such as America.


The magnitude of the crisis and its impact across the world means that minor tweakings of long-established orthodoxies will not do. Two unassailable truths have already been established: that financial markets are not always self-correcting or self-regulating, and that government can never abdicate responsibility for maintaining economic stability.


For governments, it is critical that we get it right - not just to save the system of open markets from self-destruction, but also to rebuild confidence in properly regulated markets, so as to prevent extreme reactions from the far left or the far right taking hold.


Governments must get it right because the stakes are so high: There are the economic and social costs of long-term unemployment; poverty once again expanding its grim reach across the developing world; and the impact on long-term power structures within the existing international political and strategic order. Success is not optional. Too much now rides on our ability to prevail.


I consider him a traitor and just out to save his own butt

He figures he can win on the Dem ticket because PA has turned Dem. Well, I have news for him.....I doubt it. He only won by a couple votes in the last election because of Pat Toomey running against him. He will definitely lose this election.


I always split my ticket and I usually voted for him, but no more. I don't care what party anyone is affiliated with; but, to me, he is a traitor and that's someone else who is not needed in the Senate.


To those who vote straight party, open your eyes. They are only out for themselves (but is that really news to anyone?)


As posters have said before, we have to educate the people who don't watch/investigate/read up on the candidates running to make sure we vote the best candidates for the job...those who value the constitution, listen to their constituents (which is hard), and vote for the good of the country. Get rid of the a-holes who are in there. We really need to clean house this coming election.,


Can you demonstrate that this will save people?
As far as I know there is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever. It would surely be the "holy grail" of the universal healthcare proponents' argument if they could offer such proof. So far, they haven't been able to show that it saves a single life.
I defend anyone who tried to save thousands of
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$3 M to save turtles????? Oh yes, it's true! sm
Here's the link:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-stimulus16-2009jun16,0,7085006.story
Again...if this is a liberal trait then God save us from liberals...
that is taken from the actual court filing. I did NOT say it was my original thinking...hellooo get a grip!! It is from the original court filing...CBS, NBC, CNN, the whole lot of them filed a suit in court trying to stop Fitzgerald from making the reporters reveal their sources. It has nothing to do with neocon or whatever other smoke screen you want to throw up. Go ahead and attack me if you like, that does not change the truth, and any rational human being can see that. You make no point at all in this ridiculous rant.

Let me get this straight...a brief to the US District Count is a right wing rag, but CBS is the sterling banner of truth? Typical pile on attack liberal tactics. Just admit it. You know they are lying, you just don't care.
God save us from well-meaning people as my mother
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save it - I do not read your posts anymore
I can tell you I have made a decision based on this board of who I will be voting for...
It will save money by not having to support TWO wars....
That same old BS - tax and spend democrats..........it takes money to make money....I suppose we could just sit here and do NOTHING......that was working, wasn't it?
torture,-if waterboarding can save thousands of
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Not revenge!-to save innocent lives from MORE
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Hoping we can save our great country from going down the toilet...sm
and desiring to bring about real CHANGE from a worn out, tired system of doing things, perhaps implementing changes that could save the economy, save the American people who have been hurt by a President who run the country doing "same ole, same ole," watching us crash and burn for someone else to clean up....yes, how DARE anyone run on that platform. The sky if falling, we are all going to sit here and point fingers and cry about it, do nothing or the same things that got us here in the firt place.....now we are going to put down hope and change as a BAD thing because Obama used the words. I guess we will all do nothing and never hope for better.
oh, pullllllllleeeze save Poor Drug Companies spiel.

you didn't answer mine.  Where did you hear that the U.S. doesn't make vaccines?  Or is it merely more conservative fiction?  Because it's simply not true.


You're talking about all this as if it's a leisurely endeavor that isn't time sensitive.  I'm talking about protecting my family and your family from a potential bio terror attack using smallpox.


And you're right.  No response is necessary at all because you haven't said anything worthy of one.


Obama is going to save us.. .it will take time... NO MORE PALIN hahahahaha no more RABIDS nm
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I see the liberal left on this board...save one "sm" could care less for your post....sm
Dems everywhere want total control, and obviously could care less what happens once that is obtained.





A CIA agent who needs to have her identity remain anonymous in order to possibly save her life. And
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My children.
My children are grown now, well into their 40s.   I have four wonderful grandchildren, whom I adore, the oldest just turned 18.  Our nuclear family puts God first and we follow his teachings.  Abortion would never be something any one of us would contemplate for even the slightest bit of time.  My children and grandchildren do not do this out of fear of reaction from the family but out of love for God and his creations.  We consider abortion murder. It isn't something we would ever do.  I know that the left spins this daily as being fear of retribution. It's too bad that they have lost the ability to see that there are those of us who grieve for the loss of human life, no matter what stage it is in when it ends.
i certainly would. I f you do that to children then you s/m
should have NO rights at all.
do you have children?
christians are not perfect. I don't know of one who claims to be. Yes, things do start at home but that does not mean that adults and children don't make poor choices. I've not heard anyone in the McCain campaign say they are "very religious." Besides, being "religious" doesn't necessarily mean Christian and being a Christian does not mean perfect.

Also, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth, far from it actually, but I have worked for what I have. I don't expect someone to provide my health insurance or pay my mortgage. I'm supporting McCain.

Tell me what do YOU consider a WONDERFUL FAMILY?
so how do you think that children
have abortions without the parents ever finding out, if they receive a bill in the mail? It has to be paid for by someone other than the parents, or else they would know about it. perhaps not your particular clinic, but it happens.
Wow, children, get over it already...
it's a cartoon, plain and simple. You are the ones making something out of nothing. Find something else to rant and rave over.
Most had their children taken...
away from them and were shot when they tried to escape......it was a horrific event without a doubt. Some couldn't bear to watch their children die so the opted to die to. BUT, I refuse to have someone tell me what I can say and what I can't say because it offends them.
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Neither can little children, and look how many have
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I actually have 2 children....
And I happen to believe that there is alot more to a relationship than sex.
What about the children
who have been killed by homosexuals and they get very little press? You feel this way because of your son. As a Christian we are to speak out against this, even if it is our children doing it. My children understood when they were young that this was wrong and it was their choice if they did do it. I would NEVER support that choice. This has nothing to do with my head in the sand. It has to do with reality and doing the right thing. Most people who have family members who commit this sin choose to have their head in the sand and ignore what Christ tells us. I won't be one of them.
So you are actually saying that children are not autonomous. sm
That's absurd. And of course, we hear so many cries for Johnson's daughters to join when we were in Vietnam.  Not.  Because Republicans don't do things like that.  Liberals do.  That entire thread is one big joke. 
They are his children, grown or not. sm
It is their choice and I don't think they should sign up because of the security reasons, just my opinion. And, yes I think he would talk them out of it.
Abuse of children and the right
Hold on just a minute....from your post you are making it sound like conservatives and the right condone molestation of children. If that is what you were implying you are absolutely wrong. Please, please, please do not categorize all Christians and conservatives with the wacko extreme cults that dare do these things to children. I believe a few weeks ago there was a long thread on the C-board about child molestation. Personally, I think anyone who hurts a child should die...period. If it's sexual molestation the very least that should happen to a male offender is castration...I'd prefer the death penalty...

Again, this implied generalization that all conservatives are racists, homophobes, and child molesters is absolutely wrong.
actually what you name your children speaks
What about the lady that named her daughter Emer Gency because that's the sign she saw going into the hospital? Sure this may be folklore but if you are an MT you know like I do people make really poor choices when it comes to naming thier kids and I would never elect one of those braniacs VP!!!