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Is it fair to attack her parenting?

Posted By: shouldn't throw stones (sm) on 2007-12-06
In Reply to: every one sins - jlynn

I thought Christians weren't supposed to judge. Is it because she *let* her daughter make her own decision to become atheist? I can't stand hypocrisy. It's what starts wars.


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    My, you let her down on a large part of parenting.
    x
    your parenting style is really bordering on abuse
    and what makes this so sad is the fact that your children are so young and cannot control what is happening to them.  They are trapped in a world ruled by your iron fist. 
    If the school tells you to go to parenting classes

    Is that a step away from the school calling the CPS?  I visited my aunt at a resturant she was telling me about her children's children.  She said the 12 yo was acting up really bad in school and he is about to get thrown out.  Every word out of that woman's mouth was it is because the DIL won't.... or the DIL doesn't........  Aunt has the kids more than the DIL does and she is constantly critising the DIL on everything.  She had their 2 yo son with her and he started grunting obviously messing his diaper and she hit him on the nose (not hard) and said STOP!  Then he threw up and she covered his mouth as if to stop him and it did not work and somehow that was all DIL fault also.   DIL would tell aunt what the pedi said and aunt disagrees that the pedi don't know what they are talking about, that she raised 3 boys and they were going to do things her way.  She disagrees with what the parenting classes are teaching.  You spank kids and spank them hard, she ran around with a hairbrush and a fly swatter when her kids were little.  Her DIL called me one night in tears because at some family function aunt started in on her and saying that she is incompetant and she needed aunt and DIL threw her plate of food at her. Aunt got peturbed because DIl was feeding her then 1 year-old cheerios.  I told the DIL that there is a government programs out there that can help her pay for childcare that she does not need to rely aunt.  I got the number from my daycare director and gave it to her.  She never called.  I had also told the DIL that she better start listening to the school and to the pedis and not the aunt because she is the one responsible for those kids and if aunt does something they are going to hold her responsible.  The aunt won't let her use anyone but her.  She is very bossy and the matriarch of the family.  I had offered to keep the kids on weekends but I am not good enough either.  I don't make my kids mind and aunt would have to work to hard undoing everything I did.  Funny, the school told me that whatever I was doing with my 5 year old to do it again with my 18 month old.  The DIL and son are mentally handicapped, both were in special education class in high school and both are janitors of the school which is probably the best job they will ever get.   Think they would do well though and their kids would thrive better if they had a better support system.  I wished there was something I could do to help but they did not want any of my help. I just don't like to go around them anymore.  I have turned down every offer my aunt had to watch my children.  No way.   


    I didnt really want parenting advice. You dont know
    wanted to see if someone knew of a formula, like a percentage of income for xtras. Say what you want, but I will not be replying to any more of these posts attacking me and my family. Im sorry I even came here.
    Yes, when parenting leaves lots to be desired, it is
    x
    But wait, is her mom still putting out that Christian book about parenting? LOL
    I mean seriously first the Britney trainwreck and now the little one (who is 16) pregnant! Oh joy ! That woman should be ashamed of herself and not writing any books unless it titled

    White Trash Parenting

    OR better yet.......

    How to Turn Your White Trash into Millions!

    LOL
    Parenting advice needed! I am losing my mind with my 14yo son. SM

    He is so smart.  I got his first grade card a couple of weeks ago, 2 Fs (Science and Computer Lit) and a D+ in English.  The rest of his grades were acceptable.  The problem isn't that he doesn't understand the subject matter in these classes, but that he simply doesn't do the work, doesn't turn in homework assignments, NOTHING! 


    I started having trouble with him last year and he barely passed the 7th grade.  Now, here it is the beginning of a new school year and he's doing the exact same thing.  He's grounded, of course, but that doesn't seem to make a difference to him.  Last night his English teacher called to tell me he hasn't turned in any assignments since the beginning of the new quarter, that he simply sits there at his desk doing nothing while the rest of the class works.  She said he seems to be easily distracted.


    When I talk to him about school, he gives me attitude.  Last night after I hung up with the English teacher, I was very angry, and proceeded to ground him longer and took away his IPod.  He had the audacity to say "mom, you're really making me mad (only he didn't say "making me mad").  I took step toward him because I was about ready to slap his disrespectiful mouth and he said "you better not lay a hand on me."  He threatened me!  So I basically took a deep breath and said "son you do not want to take me on."  And then I proceeded to tell him that he would be staying after school with his English teacher until further notice and that I will be picking him up every day after school to make sure he brings home all his books and homework.


    I don't know what else to do.  I have asked his teachers to keep me informed via email cause I'm always at my computer during the day.  His Science teacher just emailed me and said he didn't turn in his assignment today.  After all that last night and he STILL didn't turn in his assignment!


    I tried to be understanding because he's at a new school in a new town, but socially he's happier than I've seen him in a long time.  He has made a bunch of new friends, he's planning on going out for the basketball team.  At first I tried to blame his attitude problems on the move and the new school, but he was doing the exact same thing last year at his old school.  His dad and I have separated and maybe that has something to do with it, but life has been less stressful without his dad here, even my son has said so.


    Please give me some advice.  I've thought about talking to the school counseling, going to family counseling, having my son see a therapist.  I just don't know what to do.  I feel like I'm failing as a parent here and I don't know what to do.


    Thanks for letting me spill my guts.


    What attack?

    No one was attacking anyone's culture, that I could see.  The OP was venting and I quite frankly agree with most of what's said on here.


    I'm as liberal and open minded as anyone out there, but I have to tell you that it horked me off to no end when the housekeepers in the hotels I worked for couldn't understand me and what I was asking them to do for a guest because none of them spoke English.  I had potential customers come up to the front desk to try to get a room and then have the nerve to get pissy with me when I didn't speak Spanish.  Hello.  I may be in New Mexico, but it's still the freaking United States.


    I have worked for ESL doctors who were very aware that they had an accent and went to the trouble to spell words for me that they prounced differently.  I loved those doctors.  I have also worked for other ESLs who sped through it like many domestic docs do, had the phone or the recorder on the other end of the desk, and quite frankly didn't give a rat's butt if what was on the other end understood them or not.  Those doctors got back exactly what they gave me - garbage.


    I have to say, my sister told me that Slumdog Millionaire was a great movie.  I have no desire to see it..................call me prejudiced, but I don't want to hear the accents if I don't have to.


    Am I having an anxiety attack?
    Okay, this has happened a few times now lately.  I do have a lot of stress, but I don't think it is more than anyone else.  I fell like I can't sit still, very antsy (sm), my shoulders and neck feel like they are being pulled/stretched.  Sitting in this chair I have to keep rocking.  It's the can't sit still that is driving me nuts.  The more I try to stop it the worse it gets.  Try transcribing with this.  What can I do to get past it?  I'm was trying to go to sleep and couldn't lie still in the bed.  If I truly focus on something I can get a few minutes of peace, but it doesn't last.  Can anyone help?
    No attack on a zoo keeper
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    A panic attack
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    Heart Attack!

    Let's say it's 6.15pm and you're driving home (alone of course) after an unusually hard day on the job.


    You're really tired, and frustrated……


    YOU ARE REALLY STRESSED AND UPSET ….


    Suddenly you start experiencing severe pain in your chest that starts to radiate out into your arm and up into your jaw.


    You are only five miles from the hospital nearest your home.


    Unfortunately you don't know if you'll be able to make it that far


    WHAT TO DO??


    YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN CPR, BUT THE GUY THAT CONDUCTED THE COURSE DID NOT TELL YOU HOW TO PERFORM IT ON YOURSELF !!!


    HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE?


    SINCE MANY PEOPLE ARE ALONE WHEN THEY SUFFER A HEART ATTACK, WITHOUT HELP, THE PERSON WHOSE HEART IS BEATING IMPROPERLY AND WHO BEGINS TO FEEL FAINT, HAS ONLY ABOUT 10 SECONDS LEFT BEFORE LOSING CONSCIOUS


    WHAT TO DO??
     
     


    ANSWER:


    DO NOT PANIC, BUT START COUGHING REPEATEDLY AND VERY VIGOROUSLY.


    A DEEP BREATH SHOULD BE TAKEN BEFORE EACH COUGH, THE COUGH MUST BE DEEP AND PROLONGED, AS WHEN PRODUCING SPUTUM FROM DEEP INSIDE THE CHEST.


    A BREATH AND A COUGH MUST BE REPEATED ABOUT EVERY TWO SECONDS WITHOUT LET-UP UNTIL HELP ARRIVES, OR UNTIL THE HEART IS FELT TO BE BEATING NORMALLY AGAIN.


    DEEP BREATHS GET OXYGEN INTO THE LUNGS AND COUGHING MOVEMENTS SQUEEZE THE HEART AND KEEP THE BLOOD CIRCULATING. THE SQUEEZING PRESSURE ON THE HEART ALSO HELPS IT REGAIN NORMAL RHYTHM. IN THIS WAY, HEART ATTACK VICTIMS CAN GET TO A HOSPITAL


    ARTICLE PUBLISHED ON N.º 240 OF JOURNAL OF GENERAL HOSPITAL ROCHESTER


    TELL AS MANY OTHER PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THIS.


    IT COULD SAVE THEIR LIVES !!! DON'T EVER THINK THAT YOU ARE NOT PRONE TO HEART ATTACK AS YOUR AGE IS LESS THAN 25 OR 30. NOWADAYS DUE TO THE CHANGE IN THE


    LIFE STYLE, HEARTATTACK IS FOUND AMONG PEOPLE OF ALL AGE GROUPS.


    Pitbull Attack!?!?
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    Ask sis what she will do when dogs attack a child, which is the
    d
    Still have your GB? Sis thought she was having a heart attack
    s
    Sorry, actually "when paparazzi attack" . . nm
    ?
    You say pits were bred to attack...sm
    They were. But they were bred to attack dogs not humans. One thing the unscrupulous people who bred these dogs did right was breed them to not be human aggresssive. Because when they were in the ring with the dogs they couldn't be worried about the dogs attacking them. So they wanted a dog that wasn't aggressive towards humans. I have done research and read this to be true. That doesn't mean all pits are not human aggressive. There may be some that are but it wasn't bred into them.
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    it was rough. I'd just been diagnosed with stones and then had the attack. I had to wait a few days before my scheduled surgery.

    My surgeon told me his story. His abdominal pain started and 3 hours later, he was checked and his GB was already gangrenous. What if yours is?
    Don't bash or attack me for that, but wasn't
    AIDS a consequence of this 'lifestyle' or am I missing here something?
    I would fake a heart attack before I put myself into that situation. Don't let me get sm
    started on in-laws. I can't stand mine either. Ohh, it's bad. Hey, at least you have 1 who is a nuisance - I have 3! All DH's sisters...We are going to a friends (REAL friends) for Thanksgiving this year. My DH finally smartened up to their nonsense and really don't want to be around them either, thankfully. Good luck. My heart goes out to you because I know how you feel. There will be many on this board who will tell you to "go, put a smile on your face," and obviously they've never been where you and I have been. Good luck in whatever you do and know that you are NOT alone. I can't stand evil, hateful, jealous, condescending, rude people one bit. My life is too precious to deal with mess like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    SIL was having heart attack "pain" that turned out to be
    s
    sounds like a menopause sneak attack
    Your call on how to handle it, but it sounds hormonally motivated to me....the crying inappropriately about a child you are not raising kind of gives it away.
    A heart attack and cardiac arrest are 2 ....sm
    different things. Cardiac arrest simply means the heart stops. It can be caused by many things. Overdosing, mixing drugs, hearrt attack, etc. I have read a lot about Elvis' death. He had cardiac arrest BUT it was because of an overdose. The autopsy results today on MJ said his heart was okay as far as a heart condition or clogged arteries, etc. Something made his heart stop beating and sent him into cardiac arrest. I used to think cardiac arrest was the same thing as a heart attack. Upon reading into it further it is not. A heart attack could cause cardiac arrest I guess. In MJ's case, according to the medical examiner, he did not have a heart attack, per se. So now they will look into toxicology to look for drugs, etc. in his system that could have caused the cardiac arrest. You know, I read just today, Demerol when mixed with other drugs it shouldn't be mixed with can cause cardiac arrest. When they obtained a search warrant a few years back for Neverland Ranch looking for evidence for the molestation charges, they found syringes and Demerol then. I am willing to bet too many drugs sent him into cardiac arrest. :)
    Just heard, Michael Jackson had heart attack?
    NM
    Fair enough...
    I was just wondering.  Have a great day. 
    Seems fair to me.
    I'll perform it if no MD will.
    maybe not fair
    I think the problem comes from Christians being so sure we are right, we want to try to save the non believers. . . maybe we should just let everyone worry about themselves. . . it is a difficult subject. . I'm sure non believers are just as sure they are right. .
    And I thank you for being fair.
    x
    Fair is fair, I mean.


    Be fair sm

    I learned in journalism class that a reporter must be fair. So would you say the same for Pepsi?


    Just kidding - will have to look further into this. Water is very good for you. Don't get enough of it myself, although I do like a lot of tea, so I guess that makes up for the water consumption per day. Now if I could only drink the tea without sugar - that would be healthy. Try honey but kind of messy, usually give up on it, always in a hurry.


     


    Fair enough...
    There are reduced rates for low income families and other programs to feed the needy kids. If parents want their kids to eat, they should pay for it.
    Is this fair or right?

    On another board I frequent there is a discussion going on and I'd love to hear your take on it. It's about a possible law to have welfare recipients take urine tests (for drugs use) in order to receive payments.


    You like? You hate? Why?


    I am so sorry. It's just not fair! nm
    x
    Love the NYS Fair
    I live about 15 minutes away and we go every year. This year we're going to the AI concert. It's an annual tradition for us since a few days after the fair ends school starts.
    Going to the fair and also going fishing.

    p


    It's not really a fair comparison - that may be what she said to you (sm)
    but although it may not be true about you it doesn't mean it isn't true about her. I am sorry she said that to you and I would never say any of that to my MIL or about her other than on here on an anonymous board. But thanks for your opinion.
    OK, to be fair. I know if you adopt one SM
    you must keep it in the house. That's one of the rules for adoption.

    When thinking about it (I'm talking about racing dogs now), they are trained to run after a rabbit(?), so, yes, they probably MIGHT run after creatures, should get out.

    It's just the thought of those poor dogs put to death because they are of no use to their owners, is horrifying to me.

    No, I'm not a member of PETA. LOL!
    That is not a fair resonse. I do all the ....sm
    things a responsible owner should do. I keep my dog either in my house or in a fenced in yard. I have him vaccinated as I should. He is fed, bathed, and treated as he should be. I do everything I am supposed to. How can I not be a responsible owner? Just because of his breed. I don't think so. My dog has never been used to fight and will never be used to fight. If you don't own one and raise them properly you will never know the potential they have to be a loving dog. Personally a lot of people don't even know mine is a pit bull. He is either mistaken for a boxer lots of times or an american bulldog. Sometimes I am tempted to not correct them.
    fair warning!!!! :)
    The Wii is a blast! We bought one last year. Last week I bought Dance Dance Revolution 2 for it. It is extremely hard even on beginner! It will literally wear you out and if you are as out of shape as I am, plan on being very sore! LOL I really do like the Wii and plan on getting the fit later this summer. For us, it's something the entire family loves, except the b/f refuses to do the Dance Dance Revolution. LOL

    Congrats on your quitting smoking! We are starting that as well. My b/f just started the Nicoderm patch. If he doesn't have too many side effects from it and it seems to work okay, I'm going to start it in a few weeks. I'm currently just cutting back right now. Cigarettes are getting so darn expensive. Marlboro are over $5 a pack and the fed tax increase of $0.62 starts April 1st. Illinois is trying to pass $1 tax on top of that. Pretty soon it's gonna be $7 for a pack of cigarettes. We've had enough.

    Sorry to ramble! :)

    Good luck to everyone quitting!
    Doesn't seem fair.

    I have 2 with balances on them.  However, I have not used them in a while and have been paying at least minimum and more when I can on time.  I don't know what we are going to do.   Our mortgage or car payments are all paid up so we dont' have to worry about that but if this happens we may have to put a lein on our house and vehicles.  Which brings me to another OMG.  I don't know if our vehicles are going to be worth anything since now they are really pushing Hybrids. I don't know if they are going to make it a law or not, but if they do, it is another scary thing.  How are we going to afford car payments.  How is my mom, my MIL and my dad going to afford car payments like that when they only bring in $800 to$900 a month on their SS if even that.     


    I do have a bicycle, which i do plan on ridding more often but dang it hurts my legs and my tail to ride it.


    ITs not fair, but it does negatively sm
    affect your credit rating. Idon't get it. But if you listen to Suze Orman that is one of her big things she is always saying, don't close your accounts!
    Fair enough! You mind your own uterus...
    but if you don't mind it well and find yourself pregnant, you should have to pay for yoru abortion yourself. The government (and my tax dollars) should NOT fund abortion. I disagree with the procedure on moral grounds, so why should I fund it if you (or someone else) can't, as you put it, take care of their uterus?? Tell you what! You stay OUT of MY pocket and I will stay OUT of YOUR uterus!! Howzat??
    That is an extremely fair pay and I would expect
    them to do a great job for that. I have had the same problem with them starting out good and then having to go behind them like you said. I would first start out clearly stating what you want done and that you expect a good job consistently, even 6 months down the line. That is what I've been telling everyone I've talked to is that I need a consistent job each time.
    Thanks for the info! Sounds fair to me. (nm)

    New York State Fair
    My husband and I went once twenty one years ago, before we were married, and then just last year finally took our nearly-grown kids after getting tickets to see James Taylor there. We had a ball and plan to do it again this year - every year at Labor Day. It's about a 2-1/2 hour drive for us, and well worth the effort, though I think we're going to get a hotel room instead of making it all in one day this time.
    Let me guess, the 15 yo says, "It's not fair!"
    I can hear it now, because I have three teenagers and I've been working with teens for years. I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard a drawn out exclamation, "It's not faaaiiiirrr."
    My opinion: The 15 yo doesn't need more clothes, the 8 yo does need the long sleeved shirts. Therefore, it IS fair to spend money on one and not the other. It wouldn't be fair if the older child received something he/she does not need simply because needed items are being bought for the younger child.
    Kids are very poor judges of fairness when it comes to getting "stuff" that they want. They have a hard time discerning between what they want and what they need, and a good many of them have no real appreciation for how much effort parents put into earning money and providing for their children. The kids just want, want, and want.

    You are the parent, you are the judge and jury when it comes to decided what they need and what your budget can handle. Here's an opportunity to really teach fairness.

    And if the kid continues to whine about it, turn your back and walk away. It takes two to argue. Give your reasons for your decision ONCE and walk away. Don't be manipulated, or your child will learn to be a manipulator.

    Now, if the 15 year old wants to go and earn money OUTSIDE of the house, or do some out-of-the-ordinary chore that you are willing to pay for, say clean the garage. That's another good lesson. Work, earn, achieve. But I don't pay out cash for regular everyday stuff that has to be done simply because we all live together. When you do that, then it's hard to get them to do regular chores if a child doesn't need money.

    Hey, invite me to give an opinion, and that's just what I do!
    Okay, this probably wasn't really fair - hint
    Most people have never even heard of this movie so I will give you a hint.

    Richard Lewis plays a less than confident surgeon.

    "I was a field surgeon during the war. We'd work long hours. We'd eat while we operated. One time, there's this young soldier I was trying to save, he took a cannonball in the stomach. After 18 hours of surgery, I did it. Never felt better in my life. Until, just like that, the patient dies. Turns out I left half a bologna sandwich in his lung."


    I certainly do my fair share of lying
    but i can't say that i've ever really made up anything huge but nobody has ever really called me on it either. Maybe those I lie to are either just gullible or too nice to say anything about it or maybe not good at spotting a lie. I don't know, but I do know I lie a lot. Maybe it's because of my low self-esteem, and maybe that's why people don't really call me on it, because they pity me too much.
    Absolutely fair, otherwise the money might
    be spent for their habir.